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d0da8d (1) No.7038>>7104 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

What if intelligent alien life was out there in the galaxy but we don't know because we're expecting EM signals and they're using subspace communication?

89a726 (1) No.7039>>7069 >>7104

They're not very intelligent if they only have one method of communication/can't pick up more than one type of communication.


a3326a (1) No.7045

even voyager could track radio frequences.

kinda helpful to know how to operate a radio in the star trek universe when stuff all over space generates tremendous amounts of radio waves naturally.


29afe0 (3) No.7069>>7070

>>7039

Dependng on how advanced their communications equipment is, they might not regard radiowaves as a viable form of communication and thus aren't looking for complex patterns in radiosignals.

Plenty of old communication methods have fallen out of favour and might well be missed by a modern ship. Semaphore or morse code with a light for example. Especially if the aliens rely on some kind of FTL communiations method we haven't even modelled theoretically, or something else that has more signal bandwidth than modern radio signals.

Lastly, due to the amount of background static put out by various stars and the cosmic background radiation, its limited how far out a 1940'ish television signal can be detected, even by seti, and the trend in modern radio signals is to use less powerful but more refined signals that allow for more bandwidth in each signal, which further limits the range the signal can be detected at. In short, radiosignals aren't necessarily the kind of shit aliens might be looking for, for good reason.


29afe0 (3) No.7070>>7072 >>7103

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>>7069 continued

I forgot to add a relevant jewtube video discussing this kind of thing.

His channel has a whole series on the fermi paradox if you really want to get into the meat of it.


2c32f9 (1) No.7072>>7104 >>7108 >>7145

>>7070

>Fermi Paradox

I've always subscribed to the theory that we are the earliest if not one of the earliest species in the universe.

I think that's the most rational, non-conspiracy explanation to the Fermi Paradox


4b7550 (1) No.7103

>>7070

Holy shit, someone else watches Isaac Arthur. Once you get past his speech impediment, his videos really get you thinking.


3e061d (1) No.7104

>>7038 (OP)

This is what makes the most sense to me if there are aliens out there. EM is limited to light speed, and it is likely any far flung explorer needs a faster communication method, especially if calling home.

>>7039

I don't think OP is saying that they can't pick up radio waves, I think he means that they aren't using it themselves because it is not the best method of communication across astronomical distances.

>>7072

I would agree with this. If there were a bunch of existing aliens, our planet would likely be placed under some other space empire's control or destroyed for their interests.


da3dbd (2) No.7107

What if they're too far away to find us?

http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1281


4a4082 (1) No.7108>>7109

>>7072

So we get to be the ancient mysterious progenitor race with super advanced tech that inexplicably disappears? Sounds good to me.


992d13 (1) No.7109>>7110

>>7108

I think we'll be a race which leaves a bunch of colored latex dildoes and shitty SJW literature all over the wreckage of earth. A visiting alien scout shil will conclude we were unimportant degenerates before they go back to their homeworld for some Taspar eggs and kanar.


da3dbd (2) No.7110

>>7109

There's no way we'll get to space with liberals. It took Nazis to get to the moon.


e6a039 (1) No.7145>>7146

>>7072

i believe in the civilizational filter thing

basically once a civilization reaches a certain technological level, it gets too big for them to handle and something goes wrong causing their extinction

i also believe it will happen to us eventually


29afe0 (3) No.7146>>7190

>>7145

I see the argument, but consider that while many civilisations have fallen or disappeared mysteriously, like the Mayans, Indus Valley civilisation or the great bronze age collapse in the Mediterranean, non of those places became completely empty of people because of this. Not even in the short term. There is a big difference between a civilisation collapsing and the species dying out. Considering how adaptable humans have been to even the harshest environments with the lowliest of tech bases, like eskimo tribes surviving in a frozen wasteland or aborigines surviving everything the australian wastelands attempts at killing them, I doubt that even all electrical machines instantly stopped working tomorrow and all humanity was plunged into a stoneage within a generation, the species would still survive.

And I don't see how this wouldn't hold true for aliens.

There's options for wiping ourselves out, like nuclear wars (which I personally doubt would actually exterminate humanity and not leave at least a few survivors), grey goo and so on, but the problem is that no matter how terrible the catastrophe, once we get off the planet, the odds of the species being wiped out by anything less than a concerted effort by someone else, become fantastically small.

A far more disturbing answer is the simulation hypothesis. A hypothesis made all the more likely, since any species that gets big enough to simulate universes full of sentient beings, could inevitably simulate millions if not billions of them, given enough time. So simulated sentient beings might well end up outnumbering real physical beings doing the simulating by trillions to one, the rest is simple statistical probability.


fca866 (1) No.7190

>>7146

>A hypothesis made all the more likely, since any species that gets big enough to simulate universes full of sentient beings, could inevitably simulate millions if not billions of them, given enough time.

It's just simulations all the way down.




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