/strek/ - Star Trek ★

>>6829 (OP)

Also dinosaurs invented space travel

>>6829 (OP)

The Janeway thing is irrelevant precisely because it was a hologram. It was written by somebody based on the stories of the man, which did not include being alive for thousands of years. That was never added to the historical record, or was simply ignored.

So far as Planet Rome, that episode was neat but the whole Christian angle was pretty dumb. You could write it off as convergent history (both planets had something similar happen) or maybe believe god is real and he wanted to see everything happen again. Or maybe god is an alien and, again, he wanted a do-over. There are lots of way to explain it, really, if you think about it.

I think you're also forgetting that Greek gods truly and literally exist (or they did) and also horrible things from beyond the universe (elder things) exist.

>>6838

Not only that, they've had longer to invent shit so their technology is far superior to the Federation. I liked those episodes.

>>6839

The biggest head scratcher for me was how Janeway managed to go for 7 years in the delta quardrant without getting lynched by her own crew.

First she strands everyone there in order to protect the alien equivalent of sentient goldfish from the dumbest goons in the galaxy, because she can't be arsed to use a timed detonator.

She lets aliens steal her crews organs, and when they catch the aliens, she gives them a stern talking to and lets them keep the organs.

She she commissions a wanted terrorist as her second in command over every actual officer on the ship.

Its like she goes out of her way to make the worst possible decisions at every opportunity. Why the hell did her crew put up with her for so long? It just doesn't make any sense.

>>6848

I really am upset that they don't air TOS in its original form on BBCA. It's all crap with sound effects added in that don't match the EQ of the rest of the show (so it's noticeably jarring), and you see the enterprise and all of the planets in shitty CG instead of the quaint little models.

>>6850

That he's supposed to be the leader of a terrorist group is all the more reason NOT to have him give orders to the entire crew, let alone free access to the entire ship.

This choice is made more baffling, since she just got Tuvok back a swell, who was a federation officer of enough rank to take that post. Can you imagine what it would take for the commander of an american carrier to make someone like Osama Bin Laden his second in command?

>>6896

>Can you imagine what it would take for the commander of an american carrier to make someone like Osama Bin Laden his second in command?

It would take balls of steel and it would be a VERY calculated risk, but you'd have to hope that everyone was prepared to work together to get out of a very deadly situation. Mind you, the Maquis are not Muslims; the muz would just aloha snackbar the whole ship in the hopes of their 72 virgins, whereas the Maquis wanted to get back to the Alpha Quadrant to continue to tear more chunks out of the Cardassians' collective ass. When they found out that the Alpha-Maquis had been completely ass-raped to death, it took the wind out of even the staunchest remaining rebels.

I found this. It's some gay-ass fan-edit, but it shows B'ellana's reaction to the news. Voyager starts at 1:37.

>>6850

There was also the part where basically all the officers EXCEPT for Janeway and Tuvok bit the bullet pretty much right away. One does NOT install an ass-kissing Vulcan as your second-in-command, because the entire point of the role is to have a dissenting opinion. There was literally nobody else left to put in that position, as the next highest ranking officer was probably goddamned Tom Paris.

>>6896

>Can you imagine what it would take for the commander of an american carrier to make someone like Osama Bin Laden his second in command?

It's more like General Grant making General Lee his #2 if they were stranded in another dimension or something. Also bad example because OBL is a CIA operative with unconvincing valmorphanization.

>>6908

>It's more like General Grant making General Lee his #2

Not even. The Maquis were on the same side; they were just vigilantes who didn't follow the Federation's rules but still acted primarily to protect Federation values and citizens. There really isn't a famous analogy to this because vigilante groups in real life have never been that large or organized.

>>6909

Quite the setup for drama they had there

>group 1 adheres to Federation ideals

>group 2 also adheres to Federation ideals BUT strongly disagrees with group 1 about a property rights issue or something that has no bearing on their predicament whatsoever

shame Voyager completely wasted all that potential for conflict

>>6908

>>6906

>>6909

Except the Maquis aren't simply pro fed vigilanties, they are wanted criminals that starfleet want to be rid of so badly they sent a warship specifically to capture them.

They are enemies of the federation and terrorists who tried to get biological weapons to use against enemy civilians when they weren't hijacking superweapons to reroute them to civilian targets.

They are patriots in the same way the isolationist militia's who hate the federal government are. That they are lead by starfleet officers who deserted or retired doesn't change this.

>>6915

>They are enemies of the federation and terrorists who tried to get biological weapons to use against enemy civilians

Yet it was totally okay when Kira did it.

>>6919

She's not a wanted criminal. She may be an obnoxious, whiny and belligerent bitch, but she was an officer in the Bajoran excuse for an army and was on DS 9 as a liaison officer in an official capacity.

I know, some of you may have a hard time comprehending the difference between a wanted terrorist leader and an officer from the local country working as a liaison on a foreign military base on said country's soil, but trust me, there is a difference. I won't argue that the cardies don't have damned good reason to consider her a warcriminal, the crucial difference is that she's not wanted by the federation for said crimes.

>>6932

Basically the difference is she's an asshole, but she's also in the club, so it's OK just on that alone.

>>6910

>shame Voyager completely wasted all that potential for conflict

That sums up Voyager quite nicely. Wasted potential.

>>6903

That would be a neat tie in with the symbol for the Terran Empire; the sword on it representing Excalibur. I wonder what Merlin is up to in the mirror universe?

>>6915

>They are patriots in the same way the isolationist militia's who hate the federal government are.

So they are patriots.

>>6844

Wars do not have to be globally devasting. WWII destroyed Europe and Japan but America was untouched. Total destruction yet most of the planet went on as nothing happened. The Eugenics Wars were mostly in the middle east and India IIRC. What bothers me is if they managed to get to 1996 why not do some sort of time dilation trick to travel into the future? Voyager's problem was the distance from Earth, not the ability to do time travel. Kirk time traveled like he was going to walking down the street.

>>9358

>The Eugenics Wars were mostly in the middle east and India

It's definitely a high priority set of locations for eugenics.

>>8968

>noone uses the same trick elsewhere or (if not immediately replicable) at least organizes a small outpost on the planet via shuttlecraft to get a huge huge boost on intelligence gathering

I'm sure S31 would be all over that

I thought extreme gay is indicated on the order of six thousand years?

>>9358

>WWII destroyed Europe and Japan but America was untouched

Untouched by bombs? Sure. Unaffected by WWII? No, not even a little bit. The Cold War and the surveillance state are both children of that horrific war. The memes created or popularized as a result of that war are rotting this beautiful country to its core.

>yet most of the planet went on as nothing happened

No, no, no, not at all. From sea to shining sea things were disrupted, changed, smashed, rebuilt, modified, so on. I don't think you understand the gravity of WWII or its aftershocks.

I can understand your point however, it is possible California simply wasn't visually affected and it's not like there was a scene about the news, but based on other lore regarding the subject the Eugenics war was supposed to be the last huge, horrible war, which should have been noticeable. It's pretty obvious they just blanked on it or ignored it so they could do their episode about traveling back to the near-modern day.

>>12447

> I don't think you understand the gravity of WWI or its aftershocks

fixed it for you