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879f77 (4) No.5718>>5720 >>5901 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

https://www.fathomevents.com/events/star-trek-ii

Paramount Pictures Presents

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan 35th Anniversary

The Director’s Cut

IN THEATERS SEP 10, SEP 13

>One of the most celebrated and essential chapters in Star Trek lore, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is now presented in this spectacular Director’s Cut from legendary filmmaker Nicholas Meyer. On routine training maneuvers, Admiral James T. Kirk seems resigned that this may be the last space mission of his career. But Khan is back, with a vengeance. Aided by his exiled band of genetic supermen, Khan (Ricardo Montalban)-brilliant renegade of 20th century Earth-has raided Space Station Regula One, stolen the top-secret device called Project Genesis, wrested control of another Federation starship, and now schemes to set a most deadly trap for his old enemy Kirk…with the threat of a universal Armageddon!

>Fans won’t want to miss this special 35th anniversary screening that includes an exclusive introduction from William Shatner.

I almost forgot this was happening or I would have posted it before Sunday. The movie is being show as a limited Fathom event, they usually structure their events for two showings on a Sunday followed by two showings on Wednesday at the participating theaters, so if you can't see it tomorrow then you're shit out of luck. You'll probably find a number of US theaters participating, I don't know about outside of US.

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=828

>details of the differences between Director's Cut and Theatrical version of STII

>The big difference is it's clearly established in the DC that the midshipman Scotty grieves over was his nephew.

1eb27e (3) No.5720>>5901

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>>5718 (OP)

>The big difference is it's clearly established in the DC that the midshipman Scotty grieves over was his nephew.

Fucking finally.


879f77 (4) No.5826


c7b65d (1) No.5827

Should have organized anons to go as the Terran Empire or Cardassians and root for Khan.


e25e05 (1) No.5830

I went to a special screening of WoK after Leonard Nimoy's death.

>Kirk to Spock: "aren't you supposed to be dead?"

<*uncomfortable laughs*


7641d7 (1) No.5866

shit last day, I'm about to pass out already, the movie starts in an hour and a half, and the nearest theater playing it is like 15 miles away.

and I already own the movie, so I think not. still, would have been nice.


897be1 (1) No.5878>>5882

Ultimately, Wrath of Khan was a net negative to Star Trek.

The movie itself is good, but Nemesis, Reboot, Into Darkness, and Beyond copied the 'vengeful villain' theme unsuccessfully and it's precisely because they all wanted to emulate Wrath of Khan.


879f77 (4) No.5879>>5881 >>5901

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I went to the 2pm show, had to drive about an hour to get to a theater showing it. The place was about dead that time of day, about 20 people in the showing for Star Trek probably accounted the majority of the cars in the parking lot. Some rambling nerds behind me talking about ST:Discovery on some podcast, and laughing at every funny bit of Kirk, Spock, and Bones banter. A few kids and a vagina or two sprinkled about, I felt right at home amongst the crowd.

There was an intro with Shatner that ran about 20 minutes, a few interesting tidbits and the rest was just Shatner being Shatner.

One of the interesting bits was Ricardo Montalbán had been involved in a horse riding accident prior to Space Seed and back then he had been using a cane, then by time WoK came around, he was using a walker to get around. Montalbán had always been an athletic person and his usual workout along with carrying his weight around with his upper body to compensate for his legs gave him those great Khan pecks.

Another fact I had never given much thought to, Shatner pointed out that he and Montalbán didn't have much opportunity to mingle as the two were never filmed together and working on separate sets. Walter Koenig was the only regular cast member to work with Montalbán on the same set.

The Director's Cut presented was the version from the blu-ray and not the dvd, which was missing the scene where Kirk tells Spock and Savik that David is his son while climbing between the decks to get to the bridge. Not sure why they changed the Director's Cut between mediums.

Shatner points out that Nimoy wanted out of Trek, but then shooting came and Spock says "Remember" to Bones, and he's all like 'WTF is going on'? That it was not in the script, and the that the producers and studio ordered a second unit to shoot the bit with the torpedo casket on the surface of genesis that appears at the end, and that the director objected very strongly to it being included, and that Spock should remain dead. "Nimoy was always smarter than me," says Shatner, alleging Nimoy used it to the twist the producers' arms to get to direct Star Trek III if returned, and since him and Nimoy had an "equal nations" (favored nations) clause that neither would get better treatment than the other, he got to direct a film also, and that's how we got the best film of them all, Star Trek V jokes Shatner, unironically?

It's kind of confusing then why it's called a Director's Cut and it still has those casket scenes in at the end, I guess since Spock gets resurrected and the movie kicked off a trilogy you're stuck with including it.

The movie really didn't look all that great, many shots in WoK have always looked out of focus, but it was still great to see it on the large screen where it belongs, and many of the smaller details that go unnoticed clearly standout. I was more blown away by the sound design of the film presented in a theater, from the hisses and mechanical chirps of the bridge simulator, to sounds of fog horns and bells of the San Francisco bay outside the windows of Kirk's home, or the loose panels of the cargo containers rattling in the wind on Ceti Alpha V as Khan taunts Chekov and Terrell; there was a new dimension of background sound depth that had gone largely unnoticed by me in the past.

There were also small character bits that I don't think I had noticed, or didn't pay much attention to, like Christie Alley's Savik shedding a tear for Spock during Kirk's final words and the pipes play. Those damn indigenous creatures in Khan's aquarium just look all that more intimidating and creepy.

Overall a solid movie going experience. If you didn't get there this go around and it comes back to a screen in the future, you better get your ass there.


1eb27e (3) No.5881

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>>5879

>A few kids and a vagina or two sprinkled about,

It was probably your imagination. Grils don't like Star Trek.


879f77 (4) No.5882>>5901

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>>5878

>Ultimately, Wrath of Khan was a net negative to Star Trek.

WoK saved Star Trek, after the failure was The Motion Picture, the studios didn't want to make a second one. The wife of one of the producers was a Trekkie and talked him into approving the second film for production, at a quarter of the budget of the first film. They brought on Harve Bennett who was known for his great low budget expertise. If WoK had flopped there'd had been nothing afterwards to compare it negatively to.


3148c6 (1) No.5901>>5969

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>>5879

>Ricardo Montalbán had been involved in a horse riding accident prior to Space Seed and back then he had been using a cane

What could have been had they only incorporated the cane into his character (pics related)

>>5718 (OP)

>>5720

>The big difference is it's clearly established in the DC that the midshipman Scotty grieves over was his nephew

>Takes the kid's corpse straight to the bridge instead of sickbay

what did scotty mean by all this passive-aggression?

>>5882

>WoK saved Star Trek

>If WoK had flopped there'd had been nothing afterwards to compare it negatively to.

Except.. maybe… a tv series, then another, then another. TNG would have re-launched on cable just in time for the "peak tv" era. Cable budgets could have paid for the actors at least for a few seasons, but we could have gotten a longform, high-budget, serialized TNG story before Ron Moore went to Battlestar Galactica. The Enterprise-D would likely never have been destroyed since the only reason they did it was that they thought the galaxy class ships didn't look good on theater screens and they wanted to meme Picard into an alpha-dude action hero with a sleek, dumb ship.

Yeah, those Trek popcorn flicks have really been a boon to the franchise. I loved WoK and thought ST:VI had its moments, but overall Star Trek feature films have been cancer for the franchise. When you consider what's possible with "premium" tv, its clear the feature films were a mistake after WoK. I'm glad it was made, but we'ld be better off if it had flopped and the whole franchise stayed on tv.


6dba07 (2) No.5969>>5971 >>5974

>>5901

But would there even have been a TNG if WoK had flopped? My assumption is that Paramount wouldn't have greenlit a new Trek series if the IP was seen as a flop. Granted, I don't know much about the origins of TNG, but that's just my guess.

On a side note, I went to see WoK last night. Definitely fun to see on the big screen. One of my favorite minor things is the look of the nebula, which still manages to look gorgeous decades later.


1eb27e (3) No.5971>>6035

>>5969

>But would there even have been a TNG if WoK had flopped?

Not that anon, but I think so, but it would have been delayed and in a much different form than the one we know.


463a76 (1) No.5974>>6035

>>5969

>But would there even have been a TNG if WoK had flopped?

Almost certainly. They were working on bringing Star Trek back to television long before TMP and WoK. TNG would have been very different, though… possibly a "hand-off" feature-length premier where the Enterprise-A is introduced at the end with a new crew. Original ship is retired or destroyed, Kirk stays an admiral and he and the rest of the original cast get regular guest appearances that don't have to rely on absurd time-travel plots.

That's all totally head-canon speculation on my part, admittedly, but the idea of TNG in WoK-style uniforms on a Galaxy Class ship that is actually the Enterprise-A and where the "cruise ship" aesthetic is toned-down a bit and where Admiral Kirk gets to regularly guest star as Picard's boss… that really intrigues me.

But it would have been a very different show.


6dba07 (2) No.6035>>6036

>>5971

>>5974

So after doing some more reading on Phase II (and by that I mean perusing the wiki article), it does seem like there would have been a possibility of new Trek TV series being produced without the movies. From my reading, the main reason Phase II became the Motion Picture and not a series was because the TV studio that was supposed to work on it was shut down. The pilot got worked into a feature because of the success of Star Wars.

So really, if you want to blame any movie for a lack of Trek series, I guess blame Star Wars. Still makes you wonder what might have been.


f790fa (1) No.6036

>>6035

exactly. 2001 was what really inspired Gene and the writers for what Trek could be, but in the end it was Star Wars that motivated everyone, especially the corporate owners.




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