/strek/ - Star Trek ★

Fandom seemed to have a real stick up its collective ass when it came to the theme song.

>>476

i like the guitar version

>>478

Did they ever reveal who the shadowy guy in the time portal was?

>>480

Whaaa… how were they going to make that work?

>>494

There should have been more dogs. Like, working dogs. Reed should have had a few op pic related.

You could call one Laika.

>>497

Don't forget Strelka and Belka, too. JFK ended up getting one of strelka's puppies as a gift. The puppies in this picture with his male Alsatian are actually the pups of that dog and Strelka's pup, so Strelka's grandchildren.

>>500

Brave space pups.

>>502

помощь, храбрые космонавт собаки!

>>502

This is Pushinka, the daughter of Strekla that lived at the JFK white house and was the dam of the puppies I posted above.

Ура to the spacepups!

>>481

>Whaaa… how were they going to make that work?

Time travel, I assume. It was obviously supposed to look and sound like the Alien Nation: The TV Series Vulcan ambassador.

Interestingly, if that cuck faggot who should kill himself Wil Weaton wasn't just lying through his poorly groomed beard, Wesley would have made several appearances in the cancelled season of Enterprise as an agent in the Temporal Cold War. I guess Wesley and the Traveller must have had a fight about who's the pitcher and who's the catcher, and Wes took off

>>494

>Porthos should have had a uniform.

So fucking much this.

>>847

>Wesley would have made several appearances in the cancelled season of Enterprise as an agent in the Temporal Cold War.

VILE! NO!

>>904

>VILE! NO!

You never know… they might have actually redeemed the character.

But probably not.

>"I have some important information for you!"

>"Who let their kid onto the bridge?!"

>"You have to listen! I come from the year--"

>"Porthos! Sic balls!"

>>887

Wouldn't be the first time.

I bite the bullet and I watched an episode of this tonight on Hulu, the last time I watched Enterprise it was probably during the initial run, and then I think I gave up on it sometime in the third season. The episodes I did see was only once some 15 years ago.

So, I started at the end with S4E22 - These Are The Voyages…

Is this episode suppose to suggest the entire series has been a holodeck recreation? The episode sets itself up as events taking place between the events portrayed in the TNG S7E12 - The Pegasus in which Riker is deeply internalizing the events that cost the crew of the Pegasus their lives, and his sworn secrecy regarding the mission and the illicit Federation cloaking device. Riker consults with Troi as they both play through the Enterprise NX-01return home from its 10-year mission to be decommissioned.

This seems more like an exercise to re-imagine what an HD CGI Enterprise NCC-1701-D episode would look like instead of as a send off for NX-01. There's also the creepy Riker as NX-01's galley chef seeking confession's from all the crew, and Riker coming to a realization speaking to T'Pol, pausing the holodeck setting up a moment Jonathan Frakes probably specified in his contract for doing this episode, to creepily kiss paused Jolene Blalock on the cheek. If Geordi and Barclay can do it, why can't Riker?

Debating if I will continue watching the series in reverse just for shits and giggles, if it's a two part episode I'll start with the first half first.

>>4771

So, I skipped a few episodes and picked up with S4E18 - In a Mirror, Darkly, Part I

>This episode was the 700th live action episode of Star Trek produced.

>A mirror-universe story for Star Trek: Enterprise was originally conceived as one of a couple of ways of bringing William Shatner into the series' fourth season. As he and Paramount were unable to reach an agreement, the plans to have Shatner included in the series were discarded.

The episode kicks off with a cold opening by flashing back to the events that wrap up the end of Star Trek: First Contact, the twist comes when Zefram Cochrane pulls a weapon and shoots the Vulcan representative that has just disembarked his ship to make first contact with Earth. This kicks into the intro, an alternative opening establishing to the audience that the episode takes place in the mirror universe. The alternate intro plays like a Nazi propaganda clip edited by /pol/ with a dramatic overture, which plays out infinitely better than that faggot ass Faith of the Heart we had to listen to at the start of every other episode.

Archer leads a mutiny to overthrown Captain Forrest, there's some saboteur shenanigans referencing The Hunt for Red October from which clips from the film were also used in the alternate intro. Phlox is a portrayed as a Dr. Mengele-esque mad Nazi scientist type who's constructed a specialized torture chamber to interrogate crewmen; Phlox also uses the decontamination chamber to torture and extract information from a captive Tholian and later exterminates the creature with the chamber. Go Phlox, you hardcore bastard. I love this fucking universe. Meanwhile, Hoshi is being passed around between Forrest and Archer as their favorite mutual sextoy. The crew arrives at a secret Tholian base, where the Tholians have lured the U.S.S. Defiant (NCC-1764) - Constitution Class - from the prime universe and 100 years into the past, somewhat confusingly forking from the TOS S3E9 - The Tholian Web episode. Archer and a team have time board the Defiant but the Tholian detect the Enterprise NX-01 and attack destroying the ship as Archer watches from the Defiant bridge… (to be cont.)

T'Pol and Hoshi got all sorts of sexy going on with midriff standard issue Terran Empire uniforms. T'Pol mind rapes Tucker, violating his mind, controlling him and erasing the memories of his actions. Hoshi tramps around in sexy underwear. Porthos is a fucking Rottweiler. An episode can only contain so much awesome.

>>5125

>No, or Riker would have been there all along. Also, there's no way he'd have time to go over their entire span of missions.

I dunno…

>"Computer, run program: Ceiling-Riker-T'Pol's-Quarters-21-hundred-hours-Fapping-mode

This show gave us T'/pol/

That alone makes it worth a watch.

>>5211

Same could be said for every Enterprise character apart from Shran and Porthos.

>>5068

>>5217

>>5227

>we will never get to see the continuation of the Mirror Universe story, in which T'Pol narrowly escapes execution, only to return and assassinate Empress Hoshi with the help of Mirror-Shran

It's not fair.

>>5343

>the sight of Scott Bakula

>>5059

…and resuming with S4E19 - In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II

So the episode picks up with the crew trying to figure out how to operate the Defiant's systems under duress as the Tholian's are trying to lock down their base and prevent the ship's escape. The Defiant blasts through the Tholian's energy net and detects some escape pods from NX-01 which are brought on board. Archer and T'Pol argue over the best course of action, with T'Pol urging Archer to take the ship back to Earth to reverse engineer its systems, but Archer rather take it the front lines. T'Pol points out that the crew size is insufficient, they are but 47, while this class vessel requires over 400.

Archer orders the ship to proceed to front lines anyways, but a saboteur removes a critical component and kills a crew member. Phlox's medical exam reveals the wounds were caused by a reptilian about 2 meters in size. Archer orders some captive Tholian labor slaves to be brought in for questioning, with some prodding they reveal the saboteur was their former slave master, a Gorn. Archer starts have internalized visions of his prime universe variation calling him an incapable pussy, so Archer leads the team himself to fight the Gorn. When Archer finds the Gorn, we're treated to a low budget CGI shitfest which would have look infinitely better with a just a guy in the same TOS Gorn suit than what they attemp to pass off here. Gorn manages to take out four more crew members before Archer puts it down.

Meanwhile, the crew has been going through the closets of the Defiant's crew, and has taken a liking to the new fall Starfleet uniform collection. Hoshi tells Archer he looks like a retard wearing it which triggers a quantum leap flashback as Scott Bakula looks genuinely puzzled as he remembers that one time he leapt into a retard. Archer's rebuttal is to bring up Hoshi's prime universe identitiy on the Defiant's internal wikipedia and inform her how much of a loser she is; Hoshi in kind returns the favor by showing Archer how much of retard he looks like in both universes. Hoshi also reminds Archer, and everyone else, that his appointment as Captain to NX-01 in the prime universe was an act of nepotism and not genuine qualification. "The decision to give you command of NX-01 was symbolic as it was the first warp five starship, and your father had a role in developing the warp five engine." Hoshi stabbed Archer right in the Jew on that note.

Cutting to the end, the Defiant catches up with ISS Avenger NX-09 at the front lines, destroys the rebel ships, including a Vulcan ship much to T'Pol's dismay. Archer is displeased with the Admiral's reaction to his prize, so he vaporizes him with a future phaser he's been eager to try out. Meanwhile, T'Pol, fellow Vulcan Savol, Phlox, and other alien crew members enslaved by the terrans from both ships plot to mutiny the Avenger and sabotage Defiant long enough to destroy it. Hoshi confronts T'Pol for stealing Defiant's schematics and they catfight in midriffs, but Hoshi with assistance from a security officer subdue T'Pol. Phlox is caught sabotaging the Defiant as the Avenger attacks, but Tucker finds him, whoops his ass, and fixes the ship before Avenger can destroy the Defiant. The Avenger is destroyed, fuck you mutinous sub-humans!

Archer relaxing and on the way to Earth to demand the Emperor's surrender to him while knocking out a piece of Asian trim, but little does Archer know that Hoshi has been BLACKED. Archer discovers this only a little too late after guzzling some poisoned drink and dying like Joffrey at the purple wedding. Hoshi arrives at Earth in command of Defiant and declares herself Empress Sato!

>>5372

I'm in your mind fatboy

>>5259

>Fat people deserve to have no place in the future. Enterprise was correct to make everyone /fit/. Stuff your jowels with more slop to quell the crushing shame and jealousy you project fatty fatty fat fat.

>>5410

… tumbling further backwards into the series, some Nazis reared their idealistic heads - S4E01+E02 - Storm Front Part I & II

>aptly named after the white nationalist neo-Nazi bulletin board founded in 1990, and later website in 1996, by former triple-K mafia leader Don Black

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormfront_(website)

The episode picks up following the events of season 3, which I remember only vaguely and can't remember if I watched all of it the first time in syndication, but Archer has destroyed the Xindi borgsphere attacking Earth. Archer is missing in the aftermath and the assumption of the crew is that he is dead. Enterprise soon discovers that temporal agent (what's with this shit again?) Daniels has sent them back in time 200 years to stop someone left unnamed as Daniels dies from advanced aging and disfiguration for which we receive no explanation for. Meanwhile, the humanoid lizard, Silik has also stowed away aboard Enterprise but the Suliban soon steals a shuttle and heads off to Earth to locate and sabotage the time travel machine being constructed by the Nazis' alien collaborators, another time faction known as Na'kuhl.

Archer wakes up and finds himself in the middle of an ambush of a Nazi POW transport by resistance fighters (in the country-side), gets shot, and wakes up in Nazi-occupied Brooklyn. Why did these city dwelling resistance members leave the city to ambush a random transport? (fucking plots man) Archer seems reasonably okay with the situation, realizing how much better NYC is Jew free, but then realizes he's still shacked up with nogs and wops. Many Italian stereotypes later, Archer decides they better get on the ball and put a stop to the evil space Nazis.

Meanwhile, at the Nazi-occupied White House, the space Nazi leader, Vosk meets with the Nazi commander of North American forces. Vosk shows the commander reels of test footage from his weapons development lab, promising they are almost ready but still need tweaking. Vosk demands that the Nazis in turn continue to contribute valuable war resources to his project to build a giant time travel device - a "temporal conduit" - with ridiculous size requirements due to primitive technology. Vosk drops further promises such as developing a water-based pathogen to wipe out all non-Aryans. WTF, I love Vosk now!

A bunch of pointless plot filler now, and I'll skim over a good portion of it. The inevitable outcome is space Nazis evil, earth Nazis evil, so we must find a way to defeat them. Vosk extends a deal to Archer to return Trip and Travis, captured earlier when pursuing the shuttle Silik stole to hitch a ride to Earth, in exchange for considering his offer to work with Enterprise where he can benefit from their advanced tech and in return will cease helping the Nazis. Vosk tries to red pill Archer on the fact that (((temporal agents))) have an agenda and nothing they do is in anyone's best interest. Archer, however, refuses to swallow.

Archer rejects Vosk's plan, so Vosk readies his modified squadron of Earth WWII fighters with modified weapons and his super Nazi railroad car mounted space lasers to attack Enterprise. Meanwhile, Vosk and the Earth Nazis have a falling out after Vosk refuses to turn over the weapon projects for deployment as promised, fearing they could used against him.

The crew on Enterprise have been studying the new alternate history and determine than an undetermined temporal assailant ignited the fork in history with the assassination of Vladimir Lenin in 1916, as a result, Russia never became communists, and therefore, Hitler wasn't concerned with Russia and turned the bulk of his forces to the West, which led to the Nazi invasion of America's east coast.

The episode is eventually resolved by Archer and Silik infiltrating the Na'kuhl research laboratory, destroying the temporal conduit, and killing Vosk. The death of Vosk results in the timeline reverting back to normal - because he had to travel back to the future to seal the deal or something? Fucking plots, amirite? Suddenly, the episode is whisked away to the ethereal time stream plane of existence where Archer and Daniels drop acid and engage in a discussion of the metaphysics. Seriously, WTF did I just watch?

Despite all the negative praise for Nazis displayed so far, the second episode's cold opener features a fictional news reel with a Adolf Hitler visiting New York City and receiving a parade through Times Square, touring the Statue of Liberty and Empire State Building, and receiving keys to the city. Hitler pledges to eradicate the financial profiteers (capitalists?) and the (((parasitic elements))) that have plagued America's economy and return the manufacturing base to the workers. Seems like they let a little too much truth slip through here.

>>524

You should also mention that JFK had another dog and that Strekla was given to him by Khrushchev. The two dogs had a litter together, which JFK referred to as "pupniks." Their lineage still continues to this day.

>>6825

>Strekla was given to him by Khrushchev.

Fucking hell, Jack, why would you let a K9 sleeper agent into the White House?!

>>6831

>Fucking hell, Jack, why would you let a K9 sleeper agent into the White House?!

Fucking hell, don't let this news get back to Trump. He'll tweet a sad emoti pining for the puppy he hasn't gotten from Putie.

>>6834

>e'll tweet a sad emoti pining for the puppy he hasn't gotten from Putie.

Pretty sure he was happier with the "urinating whores."

>>6834

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

And your enemies' puppers even more close.

>>6769

… wasn't sure what to watch next, but since Ferengi's are my favorite Trek thing since DS9 made them so lovable, I went with S1E19 - Acquisition

>Clint Howard (ugly brother of Ron Howard) guest stars playing one of four Ferengi pirates

>Clint Howard is best known for his portrayal as Balok in TOS - The Corbomite Maneuver

>Jeffrey Combs also guest stars as another of the Ferengi, his only non-Shran role on Enterprise

There's some questionable plot choices apparent right from the start with this one. The writers have to get a four-man crew of Ferengi to overtake and subdue a much larger and capable vessel, so apparently, this is as simple as transporting over a chemical weapon and knocking out the crew - at least it wasn't a lethal gas!

The aliens (they're never identified as Ferengi in the episode for continuity with TNG contact) board the ship and start tearing it apart looking for loot. The Ferengi comment on the humans lobes then come across T'Pol and become immediately infatuated by her. Things start to get a little rapey at this point as the Ferengi start calling dibs on unconscious females and dragging them to the cargo bay.

Meanwhile, Trip has been locked in the decontamination chamber waiting on Phlox to clear him, but with no response from the doctor, he shorts a control panel and releases the door. Trip starts scouting the ship and watches from a security monitor as the Ferengi use an antidote to wake Archer and begin to interrogate him for the location of the ship's vault. The Ferengi debate amongst themselves that the loot and females sold at slave market will be a good haul. Archer catches a glimpse of ceiling Trip lurking in the gangways above the cargo bay, so he buys some time with the Ferengi by offering to reveal the location of the vault if he gets to keep half the gold. The Ferengi don't accept Archer's offer to give him a cut of the gold, so they attempt to locate the vault without his help.

Now wait just a god damn minute, did the writers of Enterprise even bother to check canon? Apparently not, because any semi-respectable Trek-sperger will quote Quark that gold is a worthless metal used a container for the highly valuable liquid metal latinum. So when the Ferengi inquire how much "gold pressed latinum" is in the vault, Archer responds "none, but we got plenty of gold, gold bricks", but the Ferengi acknowledge this as a suitable pursuit… maybe there hasn't been a galaxy-wide crash of the gold market yet in canon?

Trip acquires the antidote hypospray he saw the Ferengi used on Archer and uses the last dose to wake up T'Pol. Meanwhile, Archer is being forced to load cargo by one of the Ferengi, so he uses the opportunity to drive a wedge between the Ferengi by asking why the one overseeing him has to do the meaningless jobs and take the small cut of the booty. T'Pol also plays some shenanigans on the other Ferengi ransacking the ship by placing one's claimed loot in the bag of another. Trip eventually gets caught and confronts Archer "for helping the Ferengi for a share of the gold" instead of "his wife Hoshi" and the other crew. The two sell the Ferengi on the existence of the vault, and Trip offers to show the location, leading them instead into a small room where they are ambushed by T'Pol who stuns them all.

Starfleet, with no regard to hypocrisy, resorts to using the Ferengi as forced labor to return all the looted items back to where they found them. They then turn the ship and captives over the care of the bottom bitch Ferengi and send them about their way. "Hey, everyone, look at these good goys we got here!" The Enterprise crew goes about their lives never encountering the Ferengi again, but because of Archer's soft spot and disregard for establishing species dominance, Picard is destined to pay the price. Fuck you captain Archer, you are literally the worst of them all.

The biggest shame about Enterprise is that each season after the second got better, and season 5 looks like it was shaping up to be downright excellent, as this anon in another thread noted:

>>1809

>>1812

>>474 (OP)

Because it was trash. Forgettable characters. Forgettable everything, really. Only started getting good in seasons 3/4. (started, mind you, never got there) Only good thing about the show was tucker, and they never let him reach his full potential.

Also the theme song was terrible.

>>911

would have saved the show tbh

>>7213

… so fumbling around in the new nearly useless Hulu interface, I found an episode that looked promising, an intimidating Klingon leered at me teasing me to watch S2E19 - Judgment

>J.G. Hertzler (DS9's Martok) stars as Kolos, advocate to Archer in the court

I'm not going to waste much breathe on this episode, and it's not that this is a bad episode, but it's an unoriginal episode. If you've seen Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country then you've seen this episode. The writers have managed to keep the changes to the bare minimum to make the script acceptable, working on a weekend hangover, and against a Tuesday deadline.

The script lacks the polish of Perry Mason episode, and addresses the cliche of outsider in a foreign court that finds it backwards and barbaric. Archer urges his advocate to stop being a pussy and put up a fight - defend me you spineless targ! There's some melodramatic banter about some Puerto Ricans that have been neglected by their imperial masters, and when Archer and the Enterprise intervene, violate Klingon empirical sovereignty.

Somewhere in there was a Klingon captain that confronts Archer for aiding the poor starving refugees and gets butthurt when Archer blasts him with a non-lethal attack to escape. Maybe I dozed off or maybe it was never explained, I'm not quite sure how Archer ends up in Klingon custody if they made an escape. I really didn't care. Point is, Klingon captain is willing to perjure himself to send Archer to the gas chamber - actually, I'm not sure if Klingon courts even consider perjury an issue, even Archer's advocate says "it doesn't matter."

So there's some form of recognition of good intent, and the Klingon magistrate, wanting to prove there's some semblance of justice remaining in Klingon court, spares Archer the gas chamber and sentences him to serve out the remainder of his natural life at the dilithium mines on Rura Penthe, which the advocate points the life expectancy for inmates is about 6 - 12 months. The magistrate doesn't take too kindly the advocate's post trial rebuttal and sentences him to serve a year at Rura Penthe as well.

Archer and his advocate are now in mining camp at Rura Penthe, so T'Pol simply flexes her diplomatic muscle with several "persuadable" beaurocrats in the Klingon government, and manages to smuggle Malcolm Reed into Rura Penthe to rescue the captain. The advocate chooses to stay behind to serve out his sentence. Well, that was all mighty simple! I'm glad none of this caused any major diplomatic mishap or started a galactic war.

The Klingon court CGI is so shitty you can even see they used the same crowd texture on both the first and second level in the 4th screencap.

>>9274

What are the big canonical errors?

>Picard mentions that first contact with Klingons was a "disaster" that led to "decades of war"

I'll grant you that. But I want to point out that Picard has said many things in his time, including that Klingons were part of the Federation (albeit in season 1).

>Klingons having forehead ridges

Explained satisfactorily in season 4.

>Vulcans act differently from how did in TOS

T'Pol aside, whose behavior and personality is consistently referred to as unusual, I never really understood this complaint. But this was also fixed in season 4, with the discovery of more Surak teachings.

>Sets look more futuristic than those of TOS

Pretty easily explained. Styles change, for one. In season 4, they started slowly morphing the sets toward how they look in TOS. The non-canon novels talk about how the Romulans forced the Federation back to analog devices during the Earth-Romulan War because the Romulans were 1337 hackers.

>Prominent alien species and events that aren't referenced in later series. Most notably Denobulans and the Xindi conflict (and Xindi themselves)

I don't think "errors" of omission violate canon.

>Ferengi

The episode is an abomination, but it takes great pains to never really introduce them to the crew.

>Borg

Handled well, for the most part. Their presence is adequately explained by the movie First Contact. Phlox shitting out a nanoprobe cure is unfortunate, but Trek has always been fast and loose when it came to the nanoprobes.

>Time Travel

It never made sense, but at least season 4 concludes the Temporal Cold War, sort of explaining why the different time-traveling factions are not present in future series.

What else am I missing?

>>9288

>"Centuries ago, disastrous contact with the Klingon Empire led to decades of war…"

Technically, Picard doesn't say "first" contact, but it's heavily implied that's the case.

>>9308

Fuck you. The Kzinti rock.

Does anyone like this hypothetical refit of the NX-01?

>>4771

Riker looked like shit in that episode and the production is sloppy. He was too old/fat to play himself and Troi couldn't get the accent right. Also, I believe this is the episode where Riker is actually in a scene twice as they created a CGI shot using TNG footage in which Frakes can be seen in the background. All-around weaksauce ending to a weaksauce series that never should have happened.

I will always maintain that Star Trek should have unfolded in more-or-less realtime with TNG being literally the next generation after TOS. All those old characters could have reprised their roles (as they ended up doing anyway) without resorting to time travel gimmicks or holodeck shenanigans. It was Gene's wackiness combined with studio greed over the TOS films that contributed to the stupid decision to place TNG ~75 years in the future when they should have wrapped-up TOS on a bittersweet note, revealing the Galaxy Class Enterprise at the end of Star Trek IV and giving Shatner a recurring role as an Admiral on TNG. Star Trek V was a waste and is largely disavowed as canon. Star Trek VI was a good film, but could just as easily taken place on the Excelsior under Captain Sulu with Admiral Kirk onboard as it was largely a diplomatic story. Generations sucked and by that time they could have either put Star Trek films on indefinite haitus or gone and done a Starfleet Academy film about an entirely new young crew that would have echos of TOS but would not be about Kirk and co.

It really pisses me off that TOS and TNG could still be going today in some form since practically none of the actors went on to do anything, but it all went to shit because the studios fucked it up with time travel plots. Time travel / timeline shifting was a mistake.

>>11276

>Star Trek V being shit is just fedoras buttmad about God

yeah, no… that movie - directed by Shatner is the kind of dumpster fire only Shat could light. It's uniquely him in that it's a farce, but one that is competently produced and woven with just enough seriousness and memorable moments to cause you to question your own judgement or if you've just been dosed with LCD. There is definitely more political Star Trek, and a lot of poz episodes, but none is more purely Jewish in its spirit and tone than Star Trek V.

The key reason that the SW prequel trilogy and Star Trek: The Motion Picture can be (mostly ironically) embraced by autists on message boards as "underrated" and "true kino" is because of their earnestness. Yes, they're objectively flawed movies, but the flaws were not due to carelessness or irreverence for the material as a whole. We see our own autism in those films. George Lucas and Gene Roddenberry meant well, but were too abjectly retarded or hyperfocused on certain aspects to see the big picture and communicate their vision to normies. Their retardation is our retardation. We can relate.

Contrast this with Star Trek V, which is not an "autistic" film by any stretch. If you profess love for it, it's because you're either a hipster or a contrarian. Sure, it has memorable moments, but as Star Trek it's terrible. In that sense, it's almost a proto-nuTrek. It's not the canon that gets fucked with so much as the overall spirit and tone. Kirk is the most glaring. Shatner just cannot direct himself. He plays himself the entire movie.. slightly fey and irreverent… The moment when Spock just-in-the-knick-of-time catches "Kirk" and he waves upside down "oh hi bones". Fucking cringe, m8.

Then again, we get legitimate character work in that film… especially with Kirk "I've always known I will die alone" and "i need my pain". It's visually a completely watchable film and is not entirely bad… it's just… consistently off and I think it's due to Shatner and an inability to keep Jewish forces at the top of the production in check.

Either way, there is only room for one criminally-underrated Star Trek film on imageboards and at present that is The Motion Picture. Maybe some day it'll be Nemesis, but never The Final Frontier. Star Trek V - as a fucking comedy - is far too frustrating to the expectations of Trek fans. If nuTrek had never happened maybe it wouldn't be so triggering. I'm happy to just edit-out all the scenes I like and shitcan the rest (which is like 90% of the film)

>>11360

yeah, the even-odd rule in Trek film quality never really sat well with me because I didn't think ST3 was particularly bad, nor did I think ST4 was good… mostly on account of the levity and the bonkers "save the whales" plotline. I think the comedic aspect was the ball that Shatner et al took and ran with in ST5. I love the light-hearted moments in Trek, especially among Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.. but too much and…

I don't mean to be too hard on Star Trek V. It really isn't cancer as a movie and it should be seen by Trek fans at some point, but if i'm handing a syllabus to a newfag, I'm definitely putting Star Trek V at the end under optional, supplemental material. As far as I'm concerned, the plot itself and much of the scenes are not canon as portrayed in the film. An interesting project for a Trek novelist or graphic novel author might be to take the basic concept (Spock's long lost brother hijacks the Enterprise for fanatical purposes) and re-write the whole damn thing, keeping the parts that work… such as much of the excellent character work that happens in the film and the badass Klingons.

also, polite sage for hijacking an Enterprise thread.

>>11387

Agreed, every Star Trek crew gets it's own stuck in the past (present day) episode or movie and I never cared for them.

Are you a Dim, or a Gimmie?

>>11966

>proving that none of them have actually done anything more than dip their toes into Memory Alpha.

Fandom is going badly for Star Trek. Far worse than is generally known. I mentioned it in another thread, but I believe there is an entire generation of "star trek fans" that have an exceedingly shallow appreciation of the series and I honestly think it's due to Netflix binge-watching and being distracted by phones and laptops while viewing. So, their concept of the series tends to passing familiarity with characters, ships, locations combined with memes and consensus opinions picked-up from social media that are often misguided, like the "Star Trek was always ____" phenomenon.

Either that, or these are just grills and faggots that we're dealing with (claiming ____ space for feminism shit like what happened to vidya) and the lack of autismal obsession is more a function of lower testosterone. Could be that, too.

>>11988

Christmas is a Pagan holiday so your statement makes no sense. It makes less sense for Christians to be celebrating Christmas.

>>11989

>implying Spock and McCoy's relationship was meant to be antagonistic

This is what most millennials and younger don't get about the way men used to relate to one another. Spock and McCoy weren't being antagonistic towards one another. That's how sane, healthy men used to relate to one another in a "multicultural" setting (when they're equal in rank and position - as Spock and McCoy essentially are). They stereotype and mock each other as a way of building camaraderie and fostering healthy competition. That's true edge as-in it's meant to keep you sharp and on your toes.

It wasn't until the Jew and bioluminecscent negroidal government agents began whispering in the ear of blacks, convincing them (through jew proxies) that they were being talked-down to and "disrespected", that the pressure-release valve of "social sparring" stopped functioning.

So, when you play games like the latest Call of Duty and the characters in the "cinematic" single-player campaign are all awkwardly referring to each other by their last names, just know that its because the creators of this have no idea how men talk to one another (apart from what they've seen in movies) or the types of nicknames they'd give each other. They are completely incapable of recognizing camaraderie and male bonding through verbal sparring when they see it because they've been brainwashed to see it as harassment and bigotry.

>>12088

(cont.) I don't think I used the phrase "one another" enough in that post

remember the time the crew was on the receiving end of an evil space bukkake

>>12081

>you will have some officers who are a bit more emotional than others, but the moment they let their emotion cloud their judgement (Especially when it causes failure), then the officer is to be removed

Emotional + nuts. Pic related. Although this is also an interesting case of someone tilting out using regulations to gain command.

>>12092

I think it's more egregious they had to invent another regulation for kicking someone out of the command chair when there's already multiple canon regulations for doing so, usually involving the CMO declaring the person unfit. You could have had the fight and then have nuMcCoy relieve nuSpock of command after he calmed his shit down, which would have been a point of character building that would reference the prime versions of those two headbutting every so often. But then I think nearly anyone here could have made a much nicer universe reset with a similar overall than what JJ ultimately developed.

>>15035

there's an "and" in there, bro. you'ld have noticed if your focus and attention span weren't ravaged by the internet and glowing screens. The two concepts can occur together or in isolation, but both hinder a true appreciation of Star Trek. It was a show created to be meditated-on in "doses". If we're not using a viewing guide, I would recommend no more than one episode per day.. max! Even that is pushing-it, though. Two-parters count as one. The point is, though, you have to give the show a chance to take residence in your soul and become a part of you. You can't force it. You can't binge it. You can't treat it just like another pop cultural phenomena. There are deeper mysteries to explore.

<lifts shaker bottle and takes swig of protein drink>.

If you're using a viewing guide and you've skipped the many filler episodes, one supposes that there's probably no harm in back-to-back viewing, but honestly I wouldn't risk it and would stick with max 1 episode per day to be safe. Those of us who grew up with one of the true Star Trek series when they originally aired basically spent half the year with new Star Trek. 20+ weekly episodes. During the other half of the year you had books, comics, vidya, and toys. If you were lucky that year you got a new movie. Had I been able to watch the entire series back-to-back i would have, but i would be worse off because of it. My understanding of this universe would have suffered and today I might be some vapid reddit faggot consuming soy and believing Star Trek was always about progressive bullshit. I credit three things for becoming an entirely different kind of faggot: having a dad, avoiding conventions, and never binging my first viewing of any Star Trek.

>>15118

If this surprises anyone, consider suicide.

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>>17402

I really wanted to like enterprise, I remember being so excited when it came out, only to watch it and genuinely wonder if I had got the show time wrong. i grew up on my dad vhs tapes of Wrath of khan and the original series. and the first episode I watched, of enterprise, was the one where they time travelled to Vancouver and did the whole gritty crime drama routine.

It had none of exhilarating yet goofy adventure of TOS, that I was expecting. nor cultured and cultivated atmosphere of TNG. It consciously tried but consistently failed to reach the level of immersion that DS9 created.

A lot of that I feel was the fault of world building and the episodic nature. For example earth being a puppet state of the Vulcan, I for one thought it a great idea, its the logical relationship between technological disparate civilisations. Yet it's so incompetently touched on that it ruins the whole idea, we hear of human children learning Vulcan in schools(from trip) yet do we ever see humans speaking Vulcan, or do we ever see Vulcanphiles (vulcanboos) who despise human culture and affect Vulcan ways of dress, speech and manners. Maybe humans kids who speak English with an accent because Their parents taught them Vulcan as first language. All of this would have given us a reason beyond ' dey no help me daddy' for Archers and Trips dislike of Vulcan.

Perhaps they could have integrated into the story by having starfleet between split between a pro-Vulcan faction and a "our way" faction and the crew reflecting this with Archer, Malcolm and Trip being our way/Terra Firma and Travis/Hoshi being Pro Vulcan.

>>19257

In my view the show would have been fixed by having Archer be an admiral in charge not of single ship but the entirety of star fleet with the brige crew being captains under him. The races which will made up the federation are already know and interracial relationships are tense. The series would have then focused on Archer attempting to create a alliance between these races while dealing with political machinations back on earth.

The show should be politics heavy like B5 with Archer being Sheridan, who has to send out his captains to shore up relationships against the Klingon threat or to stop pirate raids while knowing that the Andorians are behind them and that they cant be pissed off.

The captains of course have their own view of the path humanity should take, Malcolm wants space Prussia, Hoshi wants to get ALIENED, Travis wants space Britain/jews,Trip wants some catfish.

All of this would create a consistent world were the goals and motivations of a the key players are known and can lead to great audience Aha moments when something which has been building up since season one come to fruition in season 3.

Of course the time travel arch has to go, the suliban could be interesting as a sort of genetic Borg and early villain. Perhaps they have been taking humans as slaves and breeding them for servility or organ harvesting. With politicians on earth demanding actions and a personal appeal from Travis( who is a spacer after all) Archer launch earth's first extra-solar anti piracy campaign(like the american-barbery wars), Which establishes earth as one of the big boys on the block. The Xindi are a cool idea but I would scrape the whole one race thing and have them be an early counter-federation in competition with the earth based alliance. The xindi war instead of space war on terror being space world war one.

The Klingon empire would have been in a sengoku jedai situation with only one house interacting with the humans/allies and not being completely hostile with small skirmish here and there and trade.

The Romulan war would of course been space world war two, the Romulans at an initial disadvantage use WMD frequently and devastate the allied races allowing Archer to force them into an Earth dominated federation.

>>19540

I agree that both the show and specific parts were executed poorly, but, I still believe the concept to be good. Think of how the Japanese, Chinese, Africans, native Americans feel towards or use to feel towards the western world. That's how humans would feel after a century of being a Vulcan protectorate, this little hint of realism was one of the few things i really liked about enterprise.