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971e7a (1) No.4295>>4296 >>4297 >>4320 >>4332 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

>no DS9 or Voyager blurays because Star Trek fans were too jewish to buy the TNG sets

6068f3 (2) No.4296

>>4295 (OP)

>no DS9 or Voyager blurays because Star Trek fans were too jewish to buy the TNG sets

(((Paramount))) wants $121.05 USD on Amazon for North American TNG Blu-Ray boxset.

I can buy the UK Region Free TNG Blu-Ray set for about $65 with shipping to USA


a11a2f (1) No.4297>>4308

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>>4295 (OP)

>no DS9 or Voyager blurays because Star Trek fans were too jewish to buy the TNG sets

Who the fuck cares? Torrents, Jewflix, etc. provide everything you could ever hope for, anyway. Or are you that desperate for the commentary where Nana Visitor points out the scene where her mucous plug fell out and her water broke?


6068f3 (2) No.4308

>>4297

>Who the fuck cares? Torrents, Jewflix, etc. provide everything you could ever hope for, anyway. Or are you that desperate for the commentary

>OP's point went right over your head.

DS9 and Voyager are only available in old SD tape mastered episodes. TOS/TNG have been remastered in HD for blu-ray.

DS9 and Voyager will probably never see HD versions, at least for the immediate future. Scanning costs are quickly coming down in price, the main hangup for DS9 is needing to remaster so many CGI shots.


149737 (2) No.4320>>4321 >>4329

>>4295 (OP)

That's because nothing makes anyone shy away from a produt faster than the word "remaster" due to the actions of George Lucas.


149737 (2) No.4321

>>4320

>produt

Product* fuck, I can't speel :^)


54c1be (5) No.4329

>>4320

>That's because nothing makes anyone shy away from a produt faster than the word "remaster" due to the actions of George Lucas.

At least in the case of the TOS they included the original effects and the updated versions. The Roddenberry Vault also remastered original mono for some of the TOS episodes, a feature that wasn't part of the complete series and seasons blu-rays.

Terminator 2 3D has been playing in theaters this week, a 4K restoration as a base, then a fine tuned 3D conversion which was very well done. I didn't read much before hand, and only saw it once so I didn't notice the change, but Cameron fixed the windshields popping out of the tow truck continuity according to online sources which claimed that was the only change.

I always tend to notice the front drive axle snapping as the truck hits the ground, then it's fixed in the next scene and I was looking for that, and it was the same, but didn't even notice the windshields til I went home and read the Internet. I dislike that kind of Lucas revisionism, but I'll let it pass as long as there's the option on the blu-ray release to play the unfixed version (no information available to suggest that).


40d238 (1) No.4332>>4333 >>4519

>>4295 (OP)

Only one DS9 episode was remastered (Trials and Tribble-ations).


54c1be (5) No.4333>>4519

>>4332

>Only one DS9 episode was remastered (Trials and Tribble-ations)

I remember running across HD scans of those on the web, and it makes sense for that episode since much was TOS integrated scene. Was that episode include as extra on a TOS or TNG blu-ray release?


d9aff4 (1) No.4342>>4365 >>4378 >>4390

If we ever do get remastered versions of the post-TNG shows, I just hope that they don't jack up the color saturation the way they did with TNG. It causes the TV makeup to be painfully obvious in close-up shots of the characters.

capcha: jewrkn


e03253 (1) No.4365

>>4342

Color saturation really changed the look of the uniforms. Instead of "red" in TNG they look Crimson now I know they were made crimson so they would appear red at the time but still, fucks the colour balance up


88af90 (1) No.4378

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>>4342

>It causes the TV makeup to be painfully obvious in close-up shots of the characters.

I've come to think of that color as "Netflix Yellow," after the way so many actors in Netflix originals seem to have jaundice. HD is not nearly the gift that we think it is, sometimes. They have to rework it all over again, just like they did when color movies and television became a thing.


54c1be (5) No.4390

>>4342

>I just hope that they don't jack up the color saturation the way they did with TNG

The HD versions are actually the way it is intended to look, NTSC (Analog SD TV) had a very limited color palette. UltraHD (Rec. 2020) has an even deeper color palette that uses proper channel depths instead of the "shorthand" as NTSC (Rec. 601) and HD (Rec. 709) rely on coefficients, complex math to save signal space that trades off color accuracy for less data transmission.

All Star Trek anons should be capable of downloading and calibrating their TV display as well.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html

Why should you bother doing that? All TV's pretty much come in "display" mode out of the box, that means features that are rather useless and counterproductive to actual TV content viewing, features like VIVID and Interpolation need to be shutoff. Standard adjustments also tend to be accentuated to maximize the appearance of the TV next to other models it would be set next to under a fully lighted department store setting to outdue its competitor, while in actuality, most content ends up being displayed as such an abomination that many film directors and cinematographers cringe at the thought of viewers seeing their work presented like that.

tl;dr - calibrate your fucking TV newfags


181ec5 (1) No.4519>>4541

>>4332

>>4333

Wasn't remastered, it's just an upscale from what I've seen.


54c1be (5) No.4541

>>4519

Makes sense, on the smaller buttons of the consoles the de-interlacing artifacts are still noticeable.


b4c770 (4) No.4572>>4573 >>4585

I haven't seen TNG HD, so something I'm a little curious on.

I have the .mkv format DS9 files that probably a lot of anons have, I assume they're a DVD rip. My analyzer says they have a video pixel size of 720x480 and display size of 636x480. At this resolution, the makeup quality looks worse. The Ferengi prosthetics look a bit pulpy, and you can see Jadzia's spots just look like standard body paint/ henna. Cardassians still look pretty good even at detail, aside from the neck ridge lines painted onto their necks.

Then again, I mean, if you like to see that shit, it's a positive. You could say it adds to the experience. Just sayin' though, it's going to look faker.

Also, wouldn't they have to redo all the CGI? Not just the pew-pew shit but stuff like Odo or any changeling when they were changing or entering gel state. I mean (and you'll have to bear with me here, I'm not a seasoned studio pro like you guys) with a lot of the CGI being kinda cutting edge in the late 90s, they did a lot with having CGI superinterposed on film sequences of actors. If you were going to redo the CGI, wouldn't you need the original film sequence as it was, prior to the CGI being superimposed? If it's something like Odo extending his arm 10 feet to butt-slap a criminal, and assuming you're missing the original footage, and all you have is a 480p video of post-effects work, then would it even be possible to brush out the low-res CGI arm, superimpose a high-res CGI arm, and somehow make it match the low-resolution footage of Auberjonois?


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>>4572

E.g., here they are at (currently) maximum magnification.


b4c770 (4) No.4574

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Some might look good in HD, such as Sisko's vintage Earth 2005 travel mugs.


54c1be (5) No.4585>>4647

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>>4572

>My analyzer says they have a video pixel size of 720x480 and display size of 636x480

DVD resolution in most cases is 720x480 (AR 1.5) which can either be scaled horizontally by applying the ratio of 8/9 (AR 1.33) or 32/27 (AR 1.78) depending on the aspect ratio flag settings.

>and all you have is a 480p video of post-effects work

The effects were mastered in interlaced, IIRC.

I'm not sure exactly which format DS9 was mastered on, that information is eluding me at the moment.

Betacam SP seems too restrictive on resolution, but it might have been used for the pilot and season 1. It may have been the format for TNG since their tape masters look comparably soft even compared to DS9.

Digital Betacam became available in 1993, probably after DS9 began production, but a clear upgrade for a production switch after pilot, mid-season or season 2. Digital Betacam (commonly referred to as DigiBeta, D-Beta, DBC or simply Digi) costs significantly less than the first 100% uncompressed D-1 format. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betacam

D-1 or 4:2:2 Component Digital is a SMPTE digital recording video standard, introduced in 1986 through efforts by SMPTE engineering committees. It started as a Sony and Bosch - BTS product and was the first major professional digital video format. SMPTE standardized the format within ITU-R 601 (orig. CCIR-601), also known as Rec. 601, which was derived from SMPTE 125M and EBU 3246-E standards. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-1_(Sony)

D-1 was notoriously expensive and the equipment required very large infrastructure changes in facilities which upgraded to this digital recording format, because the machines being uncompromising in quality reverted to component processing (where the luminance or black-and-white information of the picture) and its primary colors red, green and blue (RGB) were kept separate in a sampling algorithm known as 4:2:2, which is why many machines have a badge of "4:2:2" instead of "D-1."

D-1 resolution is 720 (horizontal) × 486 (vertical) for NTSC systems and 720 × 576 for PAL systems; these resolutions come from Rec. 601.

The Digital Betacam format records 2.34-to-1 DCT-compressed digital component video signal[3] at 10-bit YUV 4:2:2 sampling in NTSC (720×486) or PAL (720×576) resolutions at a bitrate of 90 Mbit/s plus four channels of uncompressed 48 kHz / 20 bit PCM-encoded digital audio.

Digital Betacam (DigiBeta) and D-1 offer similar capabilities which both exceed the quality of DVD. So while they are still standard definition masters, there is significantly higher bitrates on the tape masters than DVD or streaming offers, so upscaling to a HD format still presents some minimum picture enhancements, though still far inferior to a true HD restoration from film elements.

Other interesting resources I stumbled across:

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/ds9-on-blu-ray.231961/ (166 page thread discussion here)

http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/05/deep-space-nine-in-high-definition-one-step-closer/ (DS9 sfx supervisor Robert Bonchune reveals he still has the DS9 CGI master files)


b4c770 (4) No.4647

>>4585

Interesting, thanks.




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