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He killed innocent bajorans wtf

>>1522

>Bajorans

>Innocent

Major please

Also it was revealed that the Occupation was a hoax

>>1522

>Remember the 30 gorillion innocent Bajoran terrorists!

>>1556

True but it was probably not uniform killing of Bajorans, more probable that 12 of those 15 mil was killed in the first 10 years or so during the actual war and 3 mil during the 'occupation'-period

>>1557

>implying there was even a war

>>1557

>Believing Bajoran Propaganda

Tell me Major, did you actually see any Bajoran Death Camps?

>>1557

>he thinks there's such a thing as 12 million brave bajoran soldiers who valliantly marched to their death

come now major

>>1583

Bajoran Hothead BTFO

The funny fact is that if the Federation hadn't colonized worlds inside Cardassian space denying the Cardassians access to essential resources when they were desperately short they would have never been forced to occupy Bajor.

The Federation was directly responsible for causing the suffering to the Bajoran people due to taking worlds that did not belong to them.

>>2032

That reminded me of something: do you guys remember the episode where the Cardies occupied some Injun world and all the natives wanted to remain outside the Federation and part of the Cardassian Empire? How long do you suppose it was after the Enterprise left that the Cardassians marched them onto science vessels to begin psychological experiments?

I think Dukat is pretty much the only long-term rival to a show's captain (aside from Archer and his mysterious man from the future, but that hardly counts) and it allowed him to become a proper, developed character while not being a part of the Fed crew. He's not even an antagonist most of the time, he has his own goals and motivations that often go against Sisko's but up to a point the two work together frequently out of sheer pragmatism. And even as enemies, they still respect each other - until Dukat goes batshit with space magic, that is.

>>2107

>until Dukat goes batshit with space magic, that is.

>Until the writers got all butthurt

ftfy

>>2158

Oh, I know. It still happened, though. The writing seems inconsistent with other characters as well - Sisko has those mood swings when he's so happy about fighting a war that he seems more klingon than Worf, and the next day he relapses into the standard Federation mindset. Even though he's established as one of the few Feds who are willing to go far, the writers never really let him loose

>>2163

Ruthless Sisko was best Sisko

>>2107

>the only long-term rival to a show's captain

You forgot Janeway vs. her instantaneous lubrication any time Seven was in the room.

>>2174

Agreed, DS:9 was at its best when Sisko actually looked like a military officer on a border fort facing down a superpower.

>>2243

Heh, yeah, just found this board. That's the first thing that came to mind.

>>2244

Only proper Trek discussion on the internet.

>>2266

((('CHECKED)))

>>2247

Just been lurking. Seems schway so far.

>>2242

Cardassians were only defending themselves from Federation aggressive expansion.

>>2542

The Federation itself isn't a nation. It would be like the Russians getting pissed because Belarus joins the EU.. Doesn't make sense

>>2789

Federation is a collection of retards nations.

>>2817

A collection of nations with a single government, apparently a unified military (if anyone can recall other Federation members fielding their own military I'll retract the point, but I'm pretty sure it was 100% starfleet), and one head of state.

The federation would be the USA in that analogy - yes you can see how technically it was meant to be a collection of self governing nations, but for everyone outside it (and many people inside it) it's just one country.

>>3067

Vulcan was part of the Federation but maintained their own fleet.

The Federation is more like the U.N. on the Galactic level, United Earth is the earth gov't, and Vulcan has its own gov't, each has representation in the Federation, and the Federation elects a President, but he's not necessarily the president of earth and vulcan in terms of planetary policy.

>>2789

they would be pissed as fuck probably to the point of war.

This seems like the right thread for this.

In season 1, episode 15, Bajor is looking to get power production to heat homes on Bajor. A few hundred thousand of them. In order to do so, they intend to tap the molten core of one of the moons of Bajor, which happens to have people living on it and a thriving ecosystem. In the process of magma tapping, gases that will make the moon uninhabitable to humanoids will be released, rendering it unsuitable for years, possibly forever.

Instead of parking a ship with a M/AM reactor on the surface and hooking it into the power grid while they build a more permanent power plant, or asking the Federation for a few generators to help them out over the winter, they decided to destroy a whole ecosystem and move hundreds of people off their homes. A world, now completely useless for anything but mass quantity strip mining.

Dukat was right. The Bajorans are short sighted, needlessly destructive, and petty. He should have wiped them all out.

>>3082

>>3082

>and attempted to hold them back w

Thats an odd wat of saying "Made sure the humans knew that the Vulcan High Command had their backs"

Like really, wtf? All the Vulcans really wanted in return is for their pets to not shit all over the intergalactic carpet, and to not betray their trudt.

And even when Archer did both while blaming Porthos, Vulcan was still Earths most trusted and powerful ally.

Vulcans were nothing but good to us. Oooh they gave us no freebies, oooooh they wanted us to figure shit out for ourselves, oooooh they thought we might enjoy a sense of accomplishments.

Ooooh no, they probably fed Earth the locations of suitable settlement planets.

How awful.

>>3082

Fucking tard

>>1556

Yeah the writers had no sense of scale. It should have been hundreds of millions in order to be proportionate.

>>5554

No one ever accused a liberal arts major of being good at math.

>>5550

They were nothing but children.

>>5700

Children are smart enough to realize that if they want a blanket fort they don't have to burn down the bedframe.

>>5779

You haven't been a parent.

IN THE NAME OF DUKAT!

Anyone feel like Dukat was at one point going to say to Kira that if their positions were reversed she would be exactly like him?

>>10658

She wouldn’t be as awesome as him.

>>2107

>aside from Archer and his mysterious man from the future, but that hardly counts

That man is literally just future-Archer trying to undo his own creation of the Federation. Really one of the writers said recently that that was the eventual twist and if you pay attention to one season finale when Archer's timeline is fucked with (I forget exactly how, I think current-timeline Archer is taken into the future so he can't become future-Archer) the future-man stops talking to his minions entirely and they panic. Rewatch ENT with this in mind and it's blindingly obvious they were leading up to it.

>>10991

If Archer, who was very Fed-like even before its foundation, wanted to destroy the Federation retroactively…just how fucked is the post-Voyager government? I mean Future Arch isn't a saint either, but a plausible reason to go through all that trouble is if "Pale Moonlight"-style events become increasingly common in Fed space, and they sure seemed to be getting more daring with taboo procedures by the mid to late 2370s.

>>5552

The Vulcans also meddled in Earth Government affairs and convinced leaders to pull funding from various scientific projects because they didn't want the humans to discover those things yet. They weren't just acting as guides, they were trying to completely control the development of the entire race. It was less about not giving the humans freebies and more about not letting them advance at their own pace.

Also, why do you feel the need to put a line break between every sentence? It takes up way more space than necessary.

>>11018

>If Archer, who was very Fed-like even before its foundation, wanted to destroy the Federation retroactively…just how fucked is the post-Voyager government? I mean Future Arch isn't a saint either, but a plausible reason to go through all that trouble is if "Pale Moonlight"-style events become increasingly common in Fed space, and they sure seemed to be getting more daring with taboo procedures by the mid to late 2370s.

>post-Voyager

>post-Dominion War

The Federation gets overconfident after the Dominion War and uses 'you sound like a Cardie' similarly to modern 'you sound like a Nazi' to shut down anyone complaining about the status quo. Janeway uses her new-found fame and influence to take over high-level executive positions and replace those below her with people holding similar ideals. The Academy starts to teach her actions as being the correct ones since she (apparently) managed to uphold federation ideals in the worst situation. Sisko's rants about obscure centuries old racial issues also end up on the curriculum and the actions of Picard and Kirk are disregarded for being white, male and human (Riker and Kirk are also labelled problematic proponents of space rape-culture). Captains become diversity-hires rather than the position being based on merit and gender/alien ratio limits are imposed on officer positions.

Basically the Federation is like the US Federal government, the EU, the UN or any other international/supranational organisation: a bunch of territories initially give up a handful of specific powers to solve some specific issue and this works fine. Then the longer it exists the more it loses sight of what it was supposed to be and morphs into an entity that exists only to enlarge its powers + territory at the cost of small sovereign bodies and push the political beliefs of those in charge (all likely to come from the same handful of nepotistic groups anyway).

Future Archer is thus an old man who has seen his idealism hit up against the reality of the ungrateful later generations: the first few generations struggle to make something and so value it (the Federation) and understand its real purpose, the next few maintain it in the face of adversity (Dominion War and Borg) and so don't quite know why it's there but still value it but the later generations that find themselves in a dominant position with no opponents get complacent and piss it all away. This is what killed Rome, brought down the British Empire, will eventually fuck over the USA and frankly kills every major Empire. Picture him as, say, an American founding father cryogenically stored and defrosted now: what would they think if they were shown the federal government or current state of SJW movements? I'd bet revolution.

>>10991

Started watching enterprise again with that in mind. Maybe this is just me but it actually makes the show kind of fascinating. Granted I want to see more of Future Archers world and what lead him to try all that shit, but it's a huge step forwards, the sort of plot element I'd have expected to be revealed or at least teased at the end of the first episode.

>>11141

I rewatched ENT recently with both that in mind and generally trying not to judge it on past experiences and was deeply surprised.

S1 is actually quite good overall (some missteps but significantly less than S1 TNG or VOY), it only really shits the best about four episodes into S2 and remains unwatchable until the start S4.

>>11031

Somewhere on this board, a month or two ago, I suggested that the most subverisve and destructive thing the Romulans could do was allow people from the Federation to settle their worlds, the same kind of people who were Maqui, the same kind of people sick of the Federation.

And just laugh.

>>11031

>Sisko's rants about obscure centuries old racial issues also end up on the curriculum and the actions of Picard and Kirk are disregarded for being white, male and human (Riker and Kirk are also labelled problematic proponents of space rape-culture). Captains become diversity-hires rather than the position being based on merit and gender/alien ratio limits are imposed on officer positions.

Unfortunately, or fortunately, that wouldn't happen.

>>399 (OP)

Dukat was literally worse than Hitler.

Adolph never fathered a child with a cucked Jew pretending to be a religious prophet, nor did he ever claim to be helping them while working thousands to their deaths.

A truly dark and fucked up villain, especially by the soft, autistic, or over the top mustache twirling bad guy types Trek usually sticks to.

>>11031

>The Federation gets overconfident after the Dominion War and uses 'you sound like a Cardie' similarly to modern 'you sound like a Nazi' to shut down anyone complaining about the status quo

I dunno, they'd want Cardassia in the Federation so they'd be careful about that issue. Then again if Bajor gets in first, you could have krinklenoses bitching about spoonheads and have that filter out that way.

>Janeway uses her new-found fame and influence to take over high-level executive positions and replace those below her with people holding similar ideals

Now THIS I can see easily, especially since she was immediately made a flag officer when she got back. She got into a lot of shady shit, hell she murdered someone against the ethics of some of her staff just to get her security officer back. She's lucky every other Starfleet vessel out there got up to worse than she did. Her example is going to be very damaging to the Federation going down the line.

>Sisko's rants about obscure centuries old racial issues

Too busy avoiding child support having nonsense discussions with the wormhole aliens to care about shit like that at the moment.

>the actions of Picard and Kirk are disregarded for being white, male and human

Already sort of happened, Kirk was regarded as way too loose by VOY times and Picard basically had half of Starfleet hate his guts for constantly throwing the Starfleet MIC interests under the bus (see: Pegasus incident) and also to a lesser extent becoming a Borg.

>Future Archer is thus an old man who has seen his idealism hit up against the reality of the ungrateful later generations

The thing is, what does Future Archer replace it all with? I'd assume he probably doesn't want to wipe out everyone, but rather wants something a bit less pear-shaped in the place of the Feds.

Bajorans were meant to represent israelis (religious fanatics and terrorists), while Cardassians were germans (militaristic and strict).

But as always with jewish stories, the supposed heroes are so cowardly and bitchy that one ends up simpathizing with the enemy. Who get their shit together, in the very least.

>>11197

>>11197

TBH, big natural titties are most erotic when lactating or being milked.

>>11200

>She's lucky every other Starfleet vessel out there got up to worse than she did.

Well theen, she isn't even that bad, is she?

>>11215

Then again, I've also seen people argue that the Bajorans are Palestinians and the Cardies are Israelis, even back in the 90s. I dunno how much that holds weight, personally I don't really care since to be honest with you I'd rather pick "option C" and have a Maquis victory since that gets rid of non-humans in the area in general and is also a perpetual thorn in the Federation's side, but unfortunately that didn't happen.

>>11235

>have a Maquis victory since that gets rid of non-humans in the area in general

But thats fucking stupid, since a large chunk of the Maquis WAS non-human.

>>11237

Well, at least it wasn't 0% human, although admittedly being made of mixed POed Fed colonists and randoms didn't help. To be honest there was a better solution some 220 years earlier, but it didn't really get off the ground as it should have.

>>11272

You have the full version too, right?

>>11284

Ask Christ.

>>11284

Better question is to ask for a name.

>>11227

Do we have a board for this?

>>11295

/ss/ has a section devoted to receiving handjobs while sucking on a woman’s breasts for milk (I think).

Might be /femdom/. Not sure.

>>11200

>The thing is, what does Future Archer replace it all with? I'd assume he probably doesn't want to wipe out everyone, but rather wants something a bit less pear-shaped in the place of the Feds.

Probably a Confederation (that is each member is still a highly independent state sharing a handful of things like the military) limited only to Earth, Vulcan and Andoria + associated colonies.

>>11319

All I can picture now is the NX with a Confederate flag on it.

>>12676

Needs a photoshop.

>watching DS9 for the first time

>every so often look up the episode I've watched on Memory Alpha for the background info and trivia sections

>S6E11 - Waltz

>Marc Alaimo commented "That is a really terrific piece. Stories like that are usually reserved for the regulars and I was flattered that they wrote it for me. They gave me a lot of responsibility so I was glad to see that everything actually worked when it was all put together. They allow me to take a lot of chances with a character like Dukat. I get to express so many different aspects of myself in him, that I don't always get a chance to in real life."

>episode is about Dukat explaining exactly why Hasperat removal is necessary

So… Marc Alaimo has certain things that he does not get the chance to express in real life, but that he can express while filming an episode where the bulk of his dialogue is defending a so-called genocide. Interesting.

Also he, and Cardassia, did nothing wrong, and I was even more right when I wrote >>1556 than I knew at the time, before I'd actually watched more than a smattering of TV rerun episodes.

>>14205

>>>https://8ch.net/milk/res/628.html

>>14205

How many years do.you think that lady kept that shit bottled up inside her.

>>14243

>>14205

>How many years do.you think that lady kept that shit bottled up inside her.

Sounds like she's had practice. Who is this guy and why did she leave it for him? I need context.

>>14246

His name is Jason Nichols and he's a lecturer at the University of Maryland. Tucker Carlson has him on when he needs to dick down a liberal nigger. Some lady saw him on there and called to give him a piece of her mind.

Wow. Just got to the episode in DS9 where Sisko gets stranded on a planet with a mentally ill Dukat. Sisko antagonizes him and makes him want to genocide Bajor. When he gets rescued he talks about how he used to believe in shades of gray, but now he has seen pure evil.

WTF NIGGER. YOU JUST FUCKED WITH A MENTALLY ILL MAN UNTIL HE FULLY SNAPPED, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO CLAIM THAT HE'S THE EVIL ONE?!?!

This shit pisses me the fuck off. This guy needs medicine, therapy, and support. Yes, he shouldn't have disabled the emergency beacon, but he was not in his right mind. Fuck removing hasperat.

REMOVE ROOT BEER

>>14353

Now you begin to see why Dukat was the true hero and literally did nothing wrong.

>>14353

Ah yes, Waltz. When I first started watching DS9, I heard this was considered a good episode. When I finally got to it, I only saw a man who did nothing wrong being punished by the writers. But really, the way the writers decided to deal with his character was ridiculous. You're right in saying he was, at that point, mentally ill and Sisko just poking at him until he snapped wasn't the right way to go. I honestly think Picard or Kirk could've solved the issue much better; that's also why I can never take Sisko fanboys seriously

>>14367

That was really a situation meant for Picard. The man's sense of tact and ability to navigate delicate situations is astounding.

>>14374

I don't think it requires an "astounding sense of tact" to know that you shouldn't actively encourage a mentally ill man to listen to his angry, hostile hallucinations and follow their potentially violent advice.

>>14375

It would be an astounding sense of tact for a nigger.

>>14367

Dukat was tortured by Sisko and the Federation. Not physically but mentally.

We need a Dukat announcement of the week or something similar on this board.

>>16609

>Implying it wasn't Dukat just messing with his holodeck program?