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de9b1f (2) No.3810>>3820 >>3859 >>3872 >>5404 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

>Romulans, who are neighbors and enemies of the Vulcans, are one of the United Federation of Planets' most dangerous adversaries

<Vulcans are pacifists, UFP must use their military to defend them

>UFP embraces diversity and multiculturalism

<Vulcans rigorously maintain traditions, discourage intermarriage

Is Vulcan truly our Greatest Ally in the Beta Quadrant? Why does Earth have such a Special Relationship with them?

534966 (5) No.3820>>3855

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>>3810 (OP)

>Vulcans are pacifists

No they're not. Pacifism may be the result of their logical analysis, but not always. The Vulcan's built warships long after embracing Surak's teachings.

>UFP must use their military to defend them

Vulcan still had a personal fleet of war-capable ships is mentioned in TNG.

You know nothing. This is a shit thread.


e68d76 (4) No.3855>>3917

>>3820

>They have their own military

That just makes his analogy better.


ba7ba9 (1) No.3859>>3957

>>3810 (OP)

>Vulcans are pacifists

lel no, Vulcans are actually very militaristic by nature despite their primary motives being the pursuit of logic and science. Vulcans during the Dominion War developed a reputation for being ruthless and efficient against the Dominion.

>UFP embraces diversity and multiculturalism

No it doesn't. UFP promotes other cultures working together but not at the expense that other cultures are infringed. Generally worlds in the Federation work together but they make sure they keep their traditions intact and do not attempt to compromise for the sake of "multiculturalism"


9da1e6 (2) No.3872

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>>3810 (OP)

>Romulans have Roman names, titles, and their homeplanet and moon are named after the founders of Rome

>Vulcans are obvious jews

>Roman offers to spare Jesus, jews screech that they want a complete cunt spared instead

>Jews rejected Jesus, but the Greeks and Romans didn't

The Federation really IS the ZOG, isn't it?


534966 (5) No.3917>>3966 >>4015

>>3855

It also show's you that you don't understand Star Trek and you're a fag for posting here.


73d399 (1) No.3957

>>3859

I thought the Vulcans practiced a doctrine of asecticism as well as holding to the principle of Logic but when you hear more on it you see the Vulcan religion is actually quite mystical, even Spock once said that logic is only a philosophy. The Vulcans went through long periods of continual warfare which nearly wiped their entire planet barren but then they put a stop to it. That was when they had that great renunciation of their moral and sexual appetites and strove to transcend their biological disposition. They use violence when it is needed, but all their fighting techniques are designed to incapacitate people as quickly as possible with little movement. I remember one of the better episodes of Voyager when you get to see Tuvoks story of how he was a rebel and wanted to abandon the Vulcan ways of mastering emotions, kinda like Spocks brother, but he ended up going to a temple and learning the ways of enlightenment and self-mastery from a Vulcan guru.

I really wish there were more parts of the Trek which had nothing to do with the federation and let you really explore these strange new worlds. I have a great Trek book called "New Worlds, New Civilizations" and it has so much great artwork and pretty trivial knowledge but enough to really see lots of these planets from new angles the show didn't really go into. Do any of you know any other books like that one?


e68d76 (4) No.3966>>3984

>>3917

Go back to Tumblr if you take pride in knowing everything about some shitty show, you fucking nigger.


534966 (5) No.3984>>4084

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>>3966

>on /strek/

>doesn't care about star trek

>doesn't expect others to care about star trek

>g-g-go back tumblr if you like what this board's about!


de9b1f (2) No.4015>>4081

>>3917

>show's

Nice grammar, dipshit. Why should anyone listen to you? Go back to sucking pointed-eared hobgoblin dick, and remember to stay mad as fuck.


534966 (5) No.4081>>4084

>>4015

Nice inability to understand the most basic parts of Star Trek or do the slightest bit of research before posting, dipshit. Why would anyone listen to you? Go back to sucking pointed-nosed /pol/ dick, and remember to stay dumb as fuck.


e68d76 (4) No.4084>>4096

>>3984

>being so retarded he doesn't understand the difference between discussing something you have a passing interest in, and being a Trek-trivia completionist autist

No seriously. It's completely Tumblr to take such extremes.

>>4081

And you think that's me? A double dumbass on you.


bbb997 (1) No.4090>>4097 >>4472

I love the harmony of Vulcan threads, it really bases one in the fact that they're the most divisive species in the Trek universe.

By comparison, start a Cardassian thread, and Dukat gets nothing but praise for gassing the Bajorans.


534966 (5) No.4096>>4168

>>4084

>everyone who points out stupidity is Tumblr

Enjoy your last (You) from me in this failed thread.


9da1e6 (2) No.4097

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>>4090

>I love the harmony of Vulcan threads

I used to love Vulcans, but one never leaves 8chan the same way one entered, I'm afraid, and I now know I'd rather ally with the Cardies and the Romulans if I want the blissful future that I want. Even when one isn't on /pol/, the redpills seem to seep on through to other boards. I'm sure there's some guy on /pone/ right now screaming about how the jews wrecked the latest season of MLP:FIM or something.


e68d76 (4) No.4168

>>4096

>I don't have an augment against what you said. you win

Correct.


ef3208 (1) No.4472>>4483 >>4512

>>4090

No one pretends Dukat wasnt evil, but Sisko fucked up hard when he egged Dukat on. He fucked up and did exactly the wrong thing when he exploited a man having a mental breakdown for his own aggrandisement.


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>>4472

>muh occupation

>muh six billion bajorans


6104cc (1) No.4510

>>4483

>muh crybaby occupied territory whining about our glorious civilized ethnostate

Pretty much every species on Trek is the jews


c494d5 (8) No.4512>>4513 >>4629

>>4472

>No one pretends Dukat wasnt evil

>Senior military officer assigned thankless but economically vital garrison duty.

>Puts his pride to one side, for the glory of Cardassia, and gets to work.

>Sees the hardship the Bajoran people are suffering under the occupation, decides to try to help them.

<Lolno we terrorism nao!

>Does everything he can to mitigate the damage Bajoran terrorists do to Cardassian servicemen and the Bajorans who see what can be gained for themselves, their culture, and their world, by working with the Cardassians.

<Terrorism intensifies.gif

>Reluctantly puts stronger and stronger measures in place, always meeting his economic targets while minimising the damage done to Bajor.

>Jobsworth politicians back on Cardassia give Bajor up in a pointless political deal, Dukat is ordered to withdraw.

>During the withdrawal he does what he can to make sure it happens peacefully but angry soldiers wreck shit on their way out.

>Still tries to keep his interest in Bajor alive during the Federation occupation.

You're right, you don't need to pretend that he wasn't evil. The writers had to give him a radical personality swing and then turn him into Literally Satan to make him the villain they thought they had written. He may not have had the awesome facial hair of Gul Macet Same actor though but he was not some straight forwards evil villain.


28d4e9 (3) No.4513>>4520 >>4629

>>4512

I can't tell entirely if you're just trying to be a contrarian for fun but you're fooling yourself if you think it's so cut and dry. It was written from the start for Dukat to be a complex character wrapped up in complex issues. By taking part in the enslavement of another species he did a terrible thing. At the same time they make sure to explain, however, that as far as oppressors go, Dukat was actually very kind at times, but that doesn't exactly make him a good person. I got the distinct impression that he knew what he did was wrong but his pride wouldn't allow him to admit it, you can see him trying to justify the occupation to himself as much as he is Cisco. Then his daughter dies at the hands of his own people, the empire gets taken over by clones from the whatever quadrant - everything he believed in became wrong. So, yeah, he want a little nuts. The writers didn't do anything radically unjustified.


c494d5 (8) No.4520>>4521 >>4629

>>4513

>I can't tell entirely if you're just trying to be a contrarian for fun

Mostly, yeah. But also trying to put the characters viewpoint (in so far as I can see it) across.


28d4e9 (3) No.4521>>4523 >>4629

>>4520

That's fair. He's the best character star trek ever pooped out IMO and deserves a fair trial.


c494d5 (8) No.4523>>4629

>>4521

Definitely, as much as I enjoy Garak taunting Bashir when Dukat walks into a DS9 episode there's just so much happening that I don't think he ever failed to steal the scene if not the episode


c96f0a (1) No.4629>>4690

>>4512

>>4513

>>4520

>>4521

>>4523

I was always expecting Dukat to turn round to Sisko and pin the blame of Bajor squarely on the Federation's shoulders for denying the Cardassians access to rich resource worlds that the Federation took for themselves and thus having to annex worlds like Bajor to grab resources needed for survival.


c494d5 (8) No.4690>>4692 >>4698 >>4703

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>>4629

That would be a Star Trek written by people with a broad and educated understanding of geopolitics, strategy, diplomacy, and realpolitik. Granted, DS9 was as close as we've come to that so far, but it never really got beyond "ZOMFG, teh fedaratioshun isn't perfect!!!!!!".

There's a fascinating set of stories you could get out of the premise of other Alpha Quadrant civilisations calling the Feds out on their hypocrisy, and in examining the sacrifices and compromises Star Fleet and the Federation made in order to build something close to paradise (for certain planets at least), but we're not ever likely to see those stories until the creative team start recruiting from relatively bitter neckbeards like us.

As much as I love DS9 it was profoundly disappointing, they came so close to a believable Federation but fell short in every way that mattered.


2c185f (2) No.4692>>4694

>>4690

>That image

fucking saved.

Though the whole line of argument

>they came so close yet were so far

Could be said for a lot of Star Trek.


c494d5 (8) No.4694>>4695

>>4692

>Could be said for a lot of Star Trek.

Yeah, no argument there. It's not quite as abusive as the relationship between Games Workshop and its fans - but it gets closer than I'd like more often than not.


2c185f (2) No.4695>>4700

>>4694

Especially when it comes to vidya


28d4e9 (3) No.4698>>4700

>>4690

I they're just not interested in making something like that, at least not at the time. Complex issues like that aren't historically something that gets a lot of viewers on network television. But TV has been changing a lot lately, the bar's really getting raised and a lot of programs are getting to do more meaningful, artful, and quality things. The next Trek could've easily been something complex issues like corruption and hypocrisy in the "perfect" goverment or that fleshed out how the Federation even fucking works in the first place (like, are they socialists? communists? they don't use a monetary system on worlds near home but planets further out obviously do). Too bad we got this shit instead.


c494d5 (8) No.4700

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>>4695

>STrek vidya

gif related

>>4698

It would be absolutely fascinating, but as you say we're not likely to get it for a while (particularly when you look at the upcoming STD abomination).


cbd7f3 (2) No.4703>>4705

>>4690

>There's a fascinating set of stories you could get out of the premise of other Alpha Quadrant civilisations calling the Feds out on their hypocrisy

I've thought about writefagging a story about a Starfleet crew being on the other side of the Prime Directive, and how unpleasant that experience might be.


c494d5 (8) No.4705>>4707

>>4703

>a story about a Starfleet crew being on the other side of the Prime Directive

What sort of scenario are you picturing there? It sounds interesting.


cbd7f3 (2) No.4707>>4708

>>4705

a Starfleet crew are captured and tortured by a demented cult of Humans, who are also holding a mysterious alien they found observing them. The alien and crew work together to try to escape, but they fail. The alien's race shows up and knocks the cultists out and extracts their man, but then leaves the starfleet personnel in captivity -over the strenuous objections of the alien they befriended - since it is obviously an internal matter and they follow the same Prime Directive. The crew would be tortured and killed by the cultists afterward. The story would be the point of view of the starfleet captain -the only survivor- after the atrocity, and coming to grips with the event and its implications and star fleet's dislike of what his conclusions are.


c494d5 (8) No.4708

>>4707

Sounds interesting, might help to use a Federation debriefing or similar as a framing device - gives the Captain plenty of excuse to get down into the detail, representatives of the Federation to challenge his interpretation, and representatives of the Federation to get angry with.


9da02d (1) No.5404>>5436

>>3810 (OP)

just an aside: does anyone else besides me see the startrek logo in OP's pic?

pro tip: it's inbetween the 2 hands, along the 1st fingers to the top of the star-tip and bridged across the 2 seperated thumbs. LOL. kinda weird considering earlier I was reading about G.R.'s "anti-semitism".


89225d (1) No.5436

>>5404

>startrek logo in OP's pic?

Idd. The hands are doing the Vulcan Jewish thing too.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2878949/jewish/Is-the-Vulcan-Salute-a-Jewish-Symbol.htm




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