d6713e No.3567
So… looking forward to Star Trek: Discovery?
Will this bombing along with the movie franchise kill Star Trek?
d6713e No.3568
All these… all these redesigns sure are something, right? Aren't you just thrilled?
So if Star Trek is dead following this would that make video game licenses for it cheaper? Is it possible this might lead to a surge in Star Trek games?
f664bd No.3569
They should just damage control this while they can and rewrite them as something other than Klingons.
c48e8a No.3572
>>3568
>Is it possible this might lead to a surge in Star Trek games?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Star_Trek_games#Commercial_games
From 1976-2003 there was a steady stream of Trek games, it's been a ghost town since. They want too much for the rights obviously while doing jack shit with the franchise except making it capeshit.
bc1e70 No.3573
I'm personally quite excited about Discovery.
I'm looking forward to watching it crash and burn (all the while blaming its failure on 'sexist' and 'racist' fans).
While this may be quite optimistic.
I would hope that the failure of Discovery would finally help get the Star Trek rights situation sorted out and prompt the creation of a real post-Voyager series.
Even an anthology series would be appreciated.
d6713e No.3574
Tripfags/namefags get filtered and not replied to automatically no matter what. Just a reminder.
>>3569
These Klingon's ARE the damage control rewrite. First episode was already shot when they switched to this from what I recall.
a38029 No.3581
>muh redesigns
>muh canon
If it were just that, I wouldn't even care really
22cbde No.3583
the new batleth is even more retarded than the old one
at least the original kind of works as a quarterstaff
with the new one you're almost guaranteed to accidentally stab yourself while doing minimal damage to the enemy
a8eb5e No.3589
>>3567
"ISLAMIC OUTER SHELL?!"
Can't wait for the sjws to proudly proclaim how much they love it. If that doesn't finally trigger Civil War II, nothing will.
a8eb5e No.3611
>>3574
>These Klingon's ARE the damage control rewrite. First episode was already shot when they switched to this from what I recall.
I'm afraid to even ask for a link, but…
eb49bf No.3661
sure its bad but will it have some comfy ships?
d6713e No.3662
>>3611
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I3y3_QmBsQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQcLLfzzKWA
Everything I learned I learned from these videos.
I should also point out that they're also working on a radically different Star Trek series (more like the original series) alongside this one to minimize the expected damage it'll do.
>>3661
No.
a8eb5e No.3679
>>3662
>alongside this one to minimize the expected damage it'll do.
The Khan prequel series. I'm still not sure that's the smartest move.
d6713e No.3697
>>3679
>Khan prequel series
I did not know it was a Khan prequel series. Jesus, that's a mixed bag of thoughts I have over that.
a38029 No.3714
>>3697
>Kahn… BEFORE he became a dictator
<it's a sitcom about him working an average job in the 1980s, the only twist being that nobody's heard of Star Trek
c48e8a No.3715
>>3714
<it's a sitcom about him working an average job in the 1980s, the only twist being that nobody's heard of Star Trek
>Khan is a San Francisco dry cleaner, one day during his lunch break, he goes to the park for a leisurely game of frisbee with his son. Khan Jr. tells dad to go long, Khan charges across the field, frisbee almost in reach when he slams into an cloaked Klingon Bird of Prey smashing his jaw. "Who the fuck parked this here!", he muttered through a bloody jaw, teeth and blood seemingly dripping out of thin air. Khan swore an oath of revenge…
1f0114 No.3718
One thing I don't get about all these new series, is why prequels?
Especially since the people making it are afraid to piss of their core demographic by fucking with the continuity. Or at least, say they are.
Don't they limit themselves creatively by making shows set in periods that have already been described and shown? Enterprise was set before shit we had seen at least, but still had all the limitations of being a prequel. Discovery is supposed to be set 10 years before TOS though.
Wouldn't they solve all these issues by simply setting the shows timeline to be AFTER the movie and the series already made though? Then you no longer have to worry about introducing new shit the other shows haven't shown before, new uniforms, ships, make flashier and more advanced looking sets for your bridges, introducing new aliens and big events that can have a far larger impact on the shows universe, since you no longer have to try to explain why none of it was around before.
This is what STO used at their excuse to simply do whatever they wanted without having to worry about continuity of the established shows.
As a bonus, this also lets you have the old characters the fans love pop up in cameo's every now and then, which is sure to please that core fanbase they say they give a shit about.
63d8cd No.3721
>>3662
What I don't understand is, if they want to reboot something, and Meyer obviously wants Naval ships and guns and blah blah blah, why don't they just set it in the time of TNG, but in an alternate world where they are at war with the Klingons.
It means that they get to satisfy all of the pissy naval/US Army crap that gets Meyer and the rest of the mainstream Americans rock hard and lusting, they can handwave something about being the wrong quadrant for TNG staff, and they don't have to give a fuck's shit about continuity.
bfd62f No.3727
STD is rated TV-MA.
Get ready for edgy violence and gay sex scenes.
c6e6d0 No.3728
>>3567
>islamic outer shell
IT'S CALLED ARABESQUE YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS HOLY SHIT
a8eb5e No.3744
>>3727
>Get ready for edgy violence and gay sex scenes.
Can't wait.
>>3721
>but in an alternate world where they are at war with the Klingons.
Please, no more parallel realities. I don't think I can take it. If you want war with the Klingons, all you need to do is have a Terran diplomat make the wrong joke at an embassy party where a Klingon diplomat can hear him.
a8eb5e No.3746
>>3697
>that's a mixed bag of thoughts I have over that.
I know. As I've said before, it's hard to root for the protagonist when you know he's going to end up blowing himself up to spite a guy who didn't even realize he'd wronged him.
a8eb5e No.3770
>>3662
Thanks for the links, but I've already seen them and must have blipped over the bit where they talk about what the "klingons" we supposed to be. Were they supposed to be a different race entirely and some moron decided to make them horribly bad Klingons, or did they make a stupider mistake than that?
2eb642 No.3793
>tfw Axanar looked and felt way better than STD.
I wonder if they sued the Axanar production for that reason.
>>3662
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I3y3_QmBsQ
>4 months into production (or filming?) they decide to make changes in the cast, hiring a new guy for a certain klingon role and the former actor who played him is now a Starfleet lieutenant.
Why didn't they make a tv movie acting as a backdoor pilot? It would've been less expensive and they could've ordered a full series if successful. That's what Syfy did with BSG: a 3-hour movie with its own story, ending with a twist/cliffhanger.
e24055 No.3798
>>3727
>mfw I just realized the abbreviation of the show is STD
I didn't even know the name until I saw this thread
d6713e No.3812
>>3770
>Were they supposed to be a different race entirely and some moron decided to make them horribly bad Klingons
They're suppose to be normal Klingon's. All Klingon's are suppose to look like that. Their justification for the change was simply "Klingon designs have always changed from adaption to adaption", ignoring 4 tv series and several movies using the same design which is now iconic.
>>3793
>I wonder if they sued the Axanar production for that reason.
No they sued Axanar because they said Axanar could crowdfund its budget on the condition they didn't sell any merchandise and then Axanar immediately started selling merchandise.
e24055 No.3815
>>3812
The face design doesn't bother me as much as the ships and the clothes. Klingons would never wear such gay, frilly shit.
d6713e No.3817
>>3815
You're not bothered by the elf ears and the lop-sided coneheads? You need some higher standards for your Klingon's, anon.
a38029 No.3818
>>3812
> "Klingon designs have always changed from adaption to adaption"
This is actually a valid point
d6713e No.3821
>>3818
Not really. They've been consistent in their design for 4 television series in a row (624 episodes, not including the movies that have that design too). They had early redesigns, doesn't mean they're constantly being redesigned from series to series.
e24055 No.3822
>>3818
I'm don't support it; it just bothers me less.
d34a06 No.3830
>>3818
They haven't though, they changed once and even tried to fit it in with the canon when Worf see's the Klingons from TOS and he is like wtf those are Klingons? I like the Klingons the way they are they are very emotional all round but these ones just look like an embodiment of malevolence sort of thing. Also
>Islamic Outer Shell
What dumbass bastards designed these ships?
Doing prequels is quite annoying especially when they try to change so many aesthetic choices with the uniforms and species. Basically we can't have Bajorans, Cadarassians, Trill, real Klingons, Ferengi, Romulans (they don't come in till TOS), plus all the technology, so they can't have holodecks or cloaked ships, warp drive is slower, all the ships are terrible in comparison the list goes on and on. Sometimes I think this is why they don't continue it and feel safer making a prequel because they don't have to know so much. If they just take everything back before the vast majority of the show is developed then the universe they occupy is a lot less restrictive, most of TOS is very vague whilst the later iterations go into a huge amount of detail, there are just so many species, technologies, and historical events happening later on that only very big fans are capable of writing it. I think this works with the audience as well, they try to make it more accessable to as wide a range as possible but good Star Trek doesn't work that way. You wouldn't have a fuckin clue what is going on in Wrath of Khan for instance unless you have seen a lot of the Trek already and specifically say Space Seed. Same with DS9, nobody knows wtf is going on in that show unless they have watched a significant amount of at least next gen, everything in DS9 expands on what went before whilst the other shows are always constantly going where no one has gone before. This is why I think DS9 is enjoyed so much by hardcore fans whilst the rest has just felt underwhelming in terms of the worldbuilding and keeping a certain focus on the intracacies of the Alpha Quadrant. I'm far more interested in just staying on Deep Space Nine and seeing all the political and economic intrigue whilst getting an insight into the alien cultures and social practices than I am going all the way to the other side of the galaxy with Janeway and every episode is some more standalone borderline meaningless except one axiomatic moral.
26798c No.3836
>>3718
>why prequels
because they fucked up 30 years ago when they launched TNG. It should have literally been the next generation and not ~75 years past TOS. Putting it so far out made it what…? the future of the future? Now the whole original canon amounts to too many details stretched across too much time. The center doesn't hold. It's too hard to contextualize any new premise. They should just go back and tell the story of the Enterprise-B like they should have done 30 years ago and have the original series actors reprise their characters for cameos like they always should have done. Making a post-Voyager show would just compound the original problem, tbh. The entire Star Trek franchise should have always unfolded in real time.
d6713e No.3838
>>3836
>Putting it so far out made it what…? the future of the future?
They likely did it to give them breathing room for writing plot and stuff. I can understand why'd they want to do that, give that the tone was different and other stuff.
Would've been interesting to see what Phase II would've been like, though.
26798c No.3841
>>3838
Phase II is a good point. Had it happened, we almost certainly wouldn't have gotten TNG as we know it, but we would have ended up with a more coherent canon since it would have grounded the franchise in the late 2200's. / early 2300's where it always should have stayed.
822407 No.3843
>>3567
>>3568
>I've ignored almost everything about Discovery because I knew from day 1 it would be terrible
>Didn't even know the name until I started browsing this board
>Those pics
Why are they remaking Stargate and calling it Star Trek?
>>3836
>The entire Star Trek franchise should have always unfolded in real time.
also, this.
2eb642 No.3846
>>3812
>Their justification for the change was simply "Klingon designs have always changed from adaption to adaption"
In a way it's true but it's more linked to the evolution of prosthetics. >>3821 Just look at Worf's head, it changed every time.
>>3817
The nuKlingon aesthetic is pretty good in terms of craftsmanship (so many details in the armor, the sets, etc) but sadly nothing I've seen so far could have me say " oh, they're klingons!" because nothing look like something the klingons would use everyday. I don't see a warrior wearing those things.
1f0114 No.3850
>>3830
That's just it. A prequel restricts the writers far more, by making it impossible to deal with most of the iconic things from the other shows, since those ships, aliens and tech isn't around yet. The result is that awful "temporal cold war" or having a giant belligerent alien empire come out of nowhere, nearly destroy earth and then somehow never get mentioned or seen ever again…
By moving forward a generation or more, you can make as many new ships, change uniforms and aesthetics without worrying about contradicting shit from before, and even alien empires. Who's to say the klingon empire hasn't had a civil war that reduced it to being a 3rd world hellhole during this time, or the romulans either being reuniting with the vulcans and being absorbed into the federation, or becoming policitally irrelevant. You can make new species into the main badguys without having to worry about contradicting established lore. New tech, all of it. Basically, you can ignore most of the old lore while making new shit as you need it and justify it all with "its been 25 years, shit has changed" or something to that effect. It gives the writers far more freedom to make their own show the way they want it rather than have to worry about whether or not the holodeck has been invented yet or why the new crew can suddenly use their tricorders for everything a smartphone can and then some or why they suddenly use drones and robots while in the past these have been almost nonexistant in the trek universe.
This is one thing that TNG did get right. As you say, a new show could get dragged down by all the past lore and the setting if they are not careful and what would likely be the single biggest factor for any new show being successful, would be if they can make the new show into something interesting. Detaching yourself from the being in the middle of the old lore right away would make this a lot easier.
And maybe a few years latter when the new show has established the new tech, alien and politics of the new era, we can get something like B5/DS9 that can focus on exploring those new aliens and politics in detail.
Hell if a new show is really sneaky, they'll take full advantage of the internet and modern information distribution to help unload tons of the nittty gritty details and least important expositing to wiki's. blogs or other websites controlled by the writers, and just refer to that for unnecessary details.
e4868c No.3933
>>3567
>>3568
It's a shame, I think these designs are really cool, and would be fitting for some other alien race.
7b8c70 No.4143
>>3933
Should have been the H'urq
ea12bb No.4146
>>3567
Fuck yeah I do, Sure from what we know now it doesn't seem to be prime but it is gonna be awesome anyway, I am tired of all these whiny-bitches being all like 'MUH STARTREK' calm the fuck down.. We get a new show, this is huge..
b8267f No.4151
I think it could have been great.
IF it were anything but Star Trek.
Stargate, Babylon 5, take your pick of any other franchise that would suit this sort of aesthetic we're seeing. And the fact that they're bullshitting so hard saying "This is the prime universe!" and all the production fuckups behind the scenes and cycling crew.
As it is, this shit is DOA
3153bf No.4167
>>4146
We need to be open to the franchise evolving a bit if we want to see more of it. But evolving doesn't necessarily mean rewriting history and abandoning Trek's core principles. What we appear to be getting is not what we fell in love with, and that's pretty much the end of it.
887321 No.4170
>>4146
>I am tired of all these whiny-bitches being all like 'MUH STARTREK' calm the fuck down..
I agree but I still fear the show's probably not going to be very good.
f664bd No.4176
>>4146
>Accept what we grant you, disgusting goy
a8eb5e No.4177
>>4167
>What we appear to be getting is not what we fell in love with, and that's pretty much the end of it.
This. I cannot love STD. It has been crafted to make a very different kind of person love it, not me. Not us. We are being pushed out by social justice loving communists… as usual.
23c778 No.4215
>>4177
pretty much anything that does this to their fanbase never succeeds.
it never has in the past, and it won't this time either.
ea12bb No.4218
>>4176
Every new generation has said that 'UH THIS IS NOT MY STARTREK, ITS DIFFERENT FROM THE OLD ONE', it will always be different.. something different is better than nothing..
3153bf No.4235
>>4218
You're kidding yourself if you think the difference between TOS and TNG and the difference between Enterprise/Voyager and STD are even remotely comparable. We're not talking about a change in cast, a change in set design, we're talking about a massive tonal shift that renders it unrecognizable to the fanbase by and large. It would be wrong of us to expect a series that keeps the same style and formula as TNG but this is many, many steps too far. If something different abandons the entire fundamental ideas behind the show then, no, it's not better than nothing.
51aed3 No.4237
>>4218
>shut up and eat the sprinkled turd you idiot, at least you have SOMETHING
The modern consumer attitude of nihilistic acceptance because you've honestly internalized the bullshit argument that having to eat shit and not having shit to eat are the only alternatives is the reason we're in this shit in the first place.
a8eb5e No.4241
>>4215
And they still won't fucking learn their lesson.
a8eb5e No.4242
>>4218
>something different is better than nothing..
You are one cunt hair away from being filtered.
>>4235
>>4237
Guys…it's b8.
3153bf No.4273
>>4242
you can't simultaneously call a post bait and respond to it, like, at least samefag to hide it, anon
still, nice get
a8eb5e No.4300
>>4273
All my gets are nice. Like this one, for instance.
421d9a No.4307