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f43ba2 No.24604
Lolbertarians somehow manages to believe Star Trek was a libertarian utopia.
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1ce568 No.24606
Couple years late on this, Anon. Finally pass through the pipes and hit your facebook or something?
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94c570 No.24616
Every economic and social philosophy currently in existence is based on the concept of scarcity. So literally nothing we have words for applies to Star Trek, everyone trying to shoehorn Star Trek into a 20th century box should be shot.
It's true libertarianism at least assumes that resources aren't scarce, but labor still is, so it's not a post-scarcity system.
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de1cbd No.24637
>>24616
Libertarianism assumes nothing. It proposes that government is inherently self-increasing, corruptible/corruptive and destructive so that if there is to be a government it should be strictly maintained and strictly minimized. This is because governments inherently trample on and minimize citizen Liberty (hence the name). These are facts irrespective of the scarcity of goods or commodities of any kind.
This, by the way, is true even in Star Trek. All governments are corrupt at some level or another. Cardassian government is nothing but shadow governments fighting shadow governments, on Ferenginar there is nothing but bribery and regulation, in the Federation there are secret police/CIA who have entirely too much power and have absolutely no one to police them, the Dominion seems to be run more-or-less like a crime syndicate, the Klingons seem to have their leaders routinely assassinated in power plays, the Bajoran government is inhabited by a mix of terrorists and cultists the both of whom try their damnedest to force everyone to do as they say and the Romulans are good-old-fashioned Romans with all that entails. The rest are too poorly understood (or maybe forgettable) to know, but it's fair to assume there are no "good" governments represented.
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24c0bf No.24641
Funny thing is how they are proud to live in a moneyless society where accumulating wealth is no longer a goal but they never reveal how they got there.
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90ea9c No.24642
>>24606
What the fuck is that pic? Some kind of tranny shit? The Uhura has a man face, but the body looks like an actual chubby nigger. Seriously, what am I looking at?
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05f7fd No.24643
>>24637
Distances inherent in space travel completely destroy that argument. You can literally pack yourself and your friends into a warp ship and head for territory where the Federation (or any other species) has no presence.
>Cardassia
>Ferenginar
>Dominion
>Bajoran
>Romulan
You're making the assumption that all of these are humans. Cardassians for example have a talent for memorization and an instinctive desire to fit into a hirearchal structure, they need their government to survive. Being away from the Cardassian system caused Elim Garak perpetual unending pain, to the point where he wore out a device designed to prevent torture.
>>24641
Pretty obvious. Their energy production is automated, and their materials (especially food) production is essentially a conversion of pure energy to matter. Anything they can't replicate is again produced automatically.
Every need (food/water/air/shelter) is provided free of charge. Almost every desire is also provided free of charge.
The only thing that's left is the human drive for dominance, which is solved in the Starfleet rank structure.
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41065a No.24647
>>24643
>Pretty obvious. Their energy production is automated, and their materials (especially food) production is essentially a conversion of pure energy to matter. Anything they can't replicate is again produced automatically.
>Every need (food/water/air/shelter) is provided free of charge. Almost every desire is also provided free of charge.
>The only thing that's left is the human drive for dominance, which is solved in the Starfleet rank structure.
Still doesn't work. Even if all material resources are assumed to be scarce (and even in TNG this isn't true, there are quite a few things you can't replicate and there are moments in the shows where resources held by the Federation are regarded as precious or scarce), there are several things that will always remain scarce: time, labour, and "unique" goods that even if replicated have no value (artwork and similar "handcrafted" items). Because these things are scarce, people will only give up their own time/labor/etc if they are given something in return, namely the product of another individual's time and labor which they desire more than what they give up. Since barter is by nature impractical, a standard of exchange would naturally arise to facilitate these transactions. Ergo, even with post-scarcity magic replicator shenanigans there would still be money and there would still be an economy.
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463c9a No.24651
>>24642
Probably some cosplay. The worst part is that even with the manface Uhura is still the most attractive one there, and I think all three of them are women, or at least "women".
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1ce568 No.24655
>>24651
>>24642
Actually they're the cast of an all female, live stageplay adaption of Sex in the City and Facts Of Life reimagined as if they were classic episodes of Star Trek The Original Series.
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8b5b8a No.24660
>>24647
There isn't really any labor because most things are produced from thin air. All your needs are met, so the only thing you'd ever need to buy are "specialty" items, like art I supposed? Except unlike in our world, a sculpture need only be created once, and then can be infinitely replicated. All that needs to exist is some kind of all-encompassing public-domain that all creative works go into, and then anyone can replicate it.
If you think people create things only for money, you fail to recognize the fact that they only do so because they'd starve to death if they didn't get paid. If this doesn't happen, they would create because they WANT to. Only a fucking asshole refuses to lift a finger, ever, unless they get something in return that seems like an equal value. I'd hate to know you on goddamned Christmas.
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90ea9c No.24666
>>24651
Yeah. I meant to say that Uhura had an actually feminine body despite the total manface (and manhands now that I look at it again.)
>>24655
Don't be silly.
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846687 No.24667
>>24660
>There isn't really any labor because most things are produced from thin air.
That just means there's no manufacturing labor, there are still loads of other jobs to do. And it's been established that replicators can't create anything and everything on several occasions, there's a reason Starfleet highers all types of engineers and not just modelers. And again, you're putting this autistic focus on mechanical utility and ignoring subjective value. Even though the replicator gets you all the food you want, of any type, people insist on patronizing restaurants or cooking on their own for a variety of occasions. And that's just one example, there is a plethora of other services that people would demand that are not replicated; I say again, human demand is without boundary and never truly sated. People continue to strive for more money, more resources, more prestige even after their basic needs are met. People continue to strive for a greater salary or higher profits event after the point where money stops correlating with happiness (Which these days is about $80k per year), as well.
>Except unlike in our world, a sculpture need only be created once, and then can be infinitely replicated.
You don't seriously believe this, do you? Even today, you can buy very faithful reproductions of famous art pieces that are visually identical to the originals in every respect. Yet, for some bizarre reason, people continue to visit the Louvre in the millions every year, and private collectors put up gratuitous amounts of money at auctions so they can own the originals.
>If you think people create things only for money, you fail to recognize the fact that they only do so because they'd starve to death if they didn't get paid.
This is just plain stupid. Again, people continue to desire income increases beyond bare subsistence. Even in socialist shitholes where people can and do get welfare checks for doing absolutely fuckall most people are employed despite the promise of gibs.
>If this doesn't happen, they would create because they WANT to.
Create what? For whom? In what quantities? Even if we assume your incorrect assertion about human nature (even when they're doign something they "want" to do, people will respond to incentives and will act differently depending on what those incentives are), you're failing to understand the basic realities of the situation: Scarcity exists. Even with "infinite" food and material resources (which, again, is not the case in trek), time is still scarce, and always will be scarce.
Let's say we live in your commie post-scarcity utopia, and I'm a carpenter who makes handcrafted chairs, cribs, and tables for people, because carpentry is something I "want" to do, and I'm happy to toil away for hours without getting anything in return. My neighbors prefer my furniture over the replicated shit because they are human beings with a subjective sense of value, and even though structurally they are the same they prefer my furniture because each piece is hand-fitted and no two of my products are alike. Now, my waitlist is quite long because as much as I enjoy carpentry my day is filled with other things that I'd like to be doing, so I only bother working on carpentry an hour or so a day, three days a week. My neighbor John has gotten impatient at the wait-times, and offers me a deal: if I can finish his chair by the end of the week he'll get to work in his backyard forge and make me one of his signature hancrafted daggers, because he knows I've always wanted one but to this point he hasn't made them for anyone but himself and his family. I take the deal, finish up his chair and get my dagger. Everything happened faster, and it was able to happen because John and myself were willing to give up one thing (leisure time) to get something else. Because we valued our leisure less than the products we received, we're each happier than we were before the exchange. After this, other market agents learn of the transaction between John and myself, and start offering things to us in order to get our products. Other producers start offering similar deals for their products as they realize the benefits. Because bartering for different services is a crude and time-consuming way of assigning priority, sooner or later some kind of standard of exchange emerges . This standard fo exchange allows producers to easily assign a price for their services, which allows them to make deals with anyone; before, they were only able to make deals with someone that A) they knew personally and B) produced a product that they wanted. Thanks to the standard of exchange, I can make chairs for Jill's exclusive restaurant, even though I don't care for the food Jill makes, and trade the money she gives me for John's daggers.
The above is only a simplified example of a "post-scarcity" economy; such a system would be no less complex and no less capitalist than what we have today.
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1ce568 No.24677
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8b5b8a No.24681
>>24667
Money is a means to an end. Even in fucking First Contact, Picard called this out that the acquisition of wealth is no longer a driving force. What would you even fucking DO with a pile of dollar bills or a swimming pool full of gold coins, now that ANYTHING can be acquired for free? You just refuse to believe that money isn't somehow ingrained in human biology. Ever single thing you're comparing to is OUR world, which isn't post-anything, much less post-scarcity. You think mere subsistence is some kind of limit in Star Trek, when it's not. You want a giant mansion? It's yours for free. You want an entire garage filled with hot rods? Yours for free. Fancy clothes? Free. Rolex watches by the dozens? Free. A luxury yacht? Free. A holographic chef that makes gourmet meals? Free. Your own fucking private moon and shuttle to take you between there and Earth? Free, free, FREE!
There's is NOTHING LEFT TO ACQUIRE through using material wealth! Not only is everyone produced for free, but nigh-instantly, so there is almost no time consideration, either.
The rest of your post is just you making shit up and being a smug retard about it.
> private collectors put up gratuitous amounts of money at auctions so they can own the originals
Literally everyone knows that private art collections are for money laundering. Everyone.
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41065a No.24691
>>24681
>MONEY CAN'T HAPPEN EVER IN TREK REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Jesus H. Christ, calm down you commie.
>The rest of your post is just you making shit up and being a smug retard about it.
OK bud, sure thing. Yet to hear any kind of coherent retort from you.
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8b5b8a No.24710
>>24691
>If I call the other guy a commie, it means I win the argument!
Get out.
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0a1903 No.24712
>>24710
No, I win the argument when you fail to respond more coherently than "lolno shutup" :^)
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82c2a4 No.24716
>>24677
So it is two women and a man after all. That's fucking depressing. Dotr can't come soon enough.
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8b5b8a No.24756
>>24712
You think I can't read IDs? You've won nothing other than the right to point out how hard the other guy lost by never responding at all.
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41065a No.24757
>>24756
IDs can change, sweetheart. Tell me, exactly what incentive do I have to impersonate an old poster? If I were to lie, would it it not be more prudent for me to pretend to be multiple people in order to foster an illusion of consensus (i.e. samefagging), rather than doing the opposite of that?
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05f7fd No.24761
>>24647
>the shows where resources held by the Federation are regarded as precious or scarce
This is usually in reference to another culture or a shipment. Like a Federation medical shipment might be scarce for a lower species, so a starship is send to defend its delivery. Which is why the only paid job and actual "service" in the Federation is a cargo ship, and even those are often shat on by the massive starfleet ships flying around carrying precious cargo.
Dilithium crystals are the only other thing I can think of which might be defined as precious, but the show definition of "precious" is not the same as our modern day definition of "precious". Dilithium can be reused (after Kirk) so it's not a scarce material anymore.
The only thing that's even remotely scarce is latinum, since for some fucked reason it can't be replicated and is very scarce. But it has no practical value, ferengi just use it to barter.
>artwork and similar "handcrafted" items
Not if you can replicate one molecule by molecule so it is exact, and can't be distinguished from the original.
Trade requires something to be unique or scarce.
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53cfba No.24766
>>24761
>Dilithium can be reused (after Kirk) so it's not a scarce material anymore.
Assuming this is true, you still need it for new vessels so it has value.
>But it has no practical value, ferengi just use it to barter.
That is a practical value though–the ability to be used as a store of wealth or a standard of exchange is valuable in and of itself. Furthermore, latinum has been shown to have "practical" value beyond its exchange services as a way of displaying affluence–we've seen latinum jewelry in DS9, and as Quark suggested Odo do with his bucket, you can plate mundane things with it as an indulgence of luxury. You might not think affluent displays are "practical," but it is a legitimate use of a resource.
>Not if you can replicate one molecule by molecule so it is exact, and can't be distinguished from the original.
You're being overly objective, to the point that you're forgetting that people's value appraisals are inherently subjective. With finite element analysis and CNC machining, you can create kitchen chairs that are stronger, lighter, and cheaper than anything handmade could ever be. And yet, carpenters stay in business. Millions of people flock to the Louvre every year, despite the fact that there exist high-fidelity photographs of the Mona Lisa, at resolutions so high the human eye can't tell the difference between the picture and the real thing. I've got a pocket knife that I've had for ten years, and even though there are better ones out there I don't intend to give that one up, because it was a gift from my father. If you want /strek/ examples, why do people go to Risa on vacation if they've got perfectly good holodecks? Why do people eat at Sisko's and Quark's if the replicators can make food perfectly? Your premise only works if we assume that humans are uncreative robots completely without sentiment, and that's obviously not the case.
>Trade requires something to be unique or scarce.
Right, and there will always be scarcity, because there will always be scarcity of time, scarcity of labor, and scarcity of experience, as well as several other things I'm sure I'm forgetting.
Star Trek has some nice world-building, but in reality no amount of technology will ever remove the market system outright. I don't expect strek writers to know this, as they're not economists after all, but fuck it. We've always put far more thought into these episodes and ideas than the writers ever did.
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90ea9c No.24767
>>24766
>You might not think affluent displays are "practical," but it is a legitimate use of a resource.
Yup. Veblen's "conspicuous consumption."
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a1dcf0 No.24774
>>24637
>Libertarianism assumes nothing. It proposes that government is inherently self-increasing, corruptible/corruptive and destructive so that if there is to be a government it should be strictly maintained and strictly minimized.
Libertarianism makes a fatal assumption. It is inherently built on the golden rule principle that if you defend someone else’s rights they will defend yours. This is why libertarians are ultimately cuckolds - while other political actors are using government to accomplish goals and punish enemies, libertarians will die to make sure everybody has the right to plot to do so.
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41065a No.24781
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5d6801 No.24782
>>24774
>Libertarianism makes a fatal assumption
>It is inherently built on the golden rule principle
Yes, Libertarians mean well and aren't "wrong", per se. Libertarians are fine people and supreme gentlemen. However, libertarians tend to be woefully ignorant on the origins of their worldview. They assume they are enlightened by their own intelligence, when in reality they are merely carrying on as their ancestors, having been selected for certain traits like altruism, rationality, independence, voluntary cooperation, etc. However, when they encounter populations or sub-groups that are adapted differently, their system breaks down and not even because of govt (which is a symptom). It breaks-down due to issues of political legitimacy, institutional corruption and civil dynamics.
They can't into that their ancestors are "altruistic" because when people or groups acted like assholes (or merely too differently and introduced friction or anxiety), they politely turned their backs on them and winter took care of the rest. Thus, they effectively outsourced the risk of that altruism to nature and reaped only the rewards. Likewise for everyone else under such a regime. We not longer live that way, thanks to a welfare state, so the forces that made the liberatarian and his forefathers is not around to shape his kids or Ahmed's or Jamal's.
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41065a No.24789
>>24782
>They can't into that their ancestors are "altruistic" because when people or groups acted like assholes (or merely too differently and introduced friction or anxiety), they politely turned their backs on them and winter took care of the rest. Thus, they effectively outsourced the risk of that altruism to nature and reaped only the rewards. Likewise for everyone else under such a regime. We not longer live that way, thanks to a welfare state, so the forces that made the liberatarian and his forefathers is not around to shape his kids or Ahmed's or Jamal's.
This is a non sequitur. Without the welfare state in place this kind of selection will take place once more as people exercise freedom of dissociation. As Hans-Hermann Hoppe shows, a natural order society wouldn't be some libertine paradise, but a series of highly restrictive, ethnically homogeneous gated communities.
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5d6801 No.24790
>>24789
>Without the welfare state in place this kind of selection will take place once more as people exercise freedom of dissociation.
How do you get rid of the welfare state?
>As Hans-Hermann Hoppe shows, a natural order society wouldn't be some libertine paradise, but a series of highly restrictive, ethnically homogeneous gated communities.
Sounds comfy and cozy. I'm down, but did he show it or tell it? That's whats so tricky about libertarianism… it's tell-heavy. When it comes time to show, libertarian leaders and institutions get cucked on politics, rival leaders and institutions, and monied interests.
t. former member of the libertarian party
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41065a No.24791
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>>24790
>That's whats so tricky about libertarianism… it's tell-heavy.
All worthwhile ideas are. If your ideology can only be discussed topically it's not much of an ideology.
>When it comes time to show, libertarian leaders and institutions get cucked on politics, rival leaders and institutions, and monied interests.
In my experience what cucks libertarians the LP specifically, seriously fuck Gary Johnson with a rusty cheesegrater the most is trying to make themselves more normie-friendly and approachable at the expense of purity in their message. The result of this opportunism is that the LP becomes politically incoherent and barely distinguishable from the two main parties–which is a stupid thing to do when your entire shtick is providing a sincere alternative to those two. Look at Ron Paul as a counterexample–he didn't win his election, he didn't even get nominated, but his two bids for the Presidency did more to turn people towards liberty than the LP has ever done because he stayed true to his message, and didn't betray himself to beg for votes. Consider how prominent Doom Paul posts are despite his last run being six years ago; the man isn't even a Congressman anymore but his words still carry influence.
Democracy is an inherently leftist paradigm, and using it to achieve anything but the most short-term goals harvesting liberal tears via Trump for instance is a fool's errand. There are multiple schools of thought as to what to do instead, but most focus on staying consistent with your arguments and getting people to listen to them. After that, just take care of your own and your community. If and when a region hits critical mass its inhabitants can attempt to secede from the federal government
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5d6801 No.24792
>>24791
indeed, it's a vitally important ideology. Ultimately for me, the LP became like one of those bands that you end up hating for their fans, not because the band started sucking. The level of baby's first ideology -tier behavior became too much and i had to break-up with them. Too many cringy, fedora-tipping informal debates witnessed where you could tell the libertarian had his shit together and was absolutely rhetorically correct, but obviously didn't understand where he was or who he was actually debating and I had to peace the fuck out.
There are whole populations that we're just going to have to effectively disenfranchise and as you intimate, ignore, if there is any hope for those principles in the future, but a lot of lost souls were coming from the Republican party and still stuck in that mode where they think they can reason with all people and do the civ nat dance regardless of obvious irreconcilable differences and complete lack of communication. Gave me a headache watching them win the debate on points but lose it on heart. so, i became an >implied ethno-nationalist of sorts and ascended to team why-not-both.
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f43ba2 No.24844
>>24789
>Hans
is this the new Jordan Peterson where beta soyboys learn to be "manly" from a father figure who tells them to clean their room?
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41065a No.24845
>>24792
> the LP became like one of those bands that you end up hating for their fans, not because the band started sucking.
I get what you're saying, but the presence of Gary Johnson, Bill Weld, John Mcaffee, and a couple others in their ranks suggests to me there are more problems with the LP than at just the voter level.
>i became an >implied ethno-nationalist of sorts and ascended to team why-not-both.
Indeed, friend. I wouldn't say I hate the other races niggers come close but the fact that a tiny, tiny, proportion of blacks aren't niggers makes me stop short, but I'm sure as hell not afraid to admit that I prefer my own.
>>24844
>new
Hardly. The God That Failed came out in 2004 and he has publications from earlier still. He's not a new sensation by any means, you likely haven't heard of him because he doesn't make public appearances.
>Jordan Peterson
Wrong again, Hoppe is a more scholarly type and gained notoriety through his books rather than public appearances. In fact I think he stopped doing public speaking events outright a couple years ago because the plebs kept frustrating him. He's gotten something of a cult following because his works have been the most comprehensive and eloquent demonstrations that libertarianism is far detached from the "dudeweed lmao" crowd, and is not only compatible with social conservatism but is in fact the best vessel for it.
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05f7fd No.24846
>>24766
>And yet, carpenters stay in business.
Fucking lol.
Also this would only be comparable if the CNC machine was fully automated AI, and had infinite power and raw materials.
You can't apply a 16th century philosophy to a post-scarcity society.
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41065a No.24847
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18dc46 No.24851
>>24766
> value appraisals are inherently subjective
People who think like
<Must have the original
Are simply insane or mentally defective (something between OCD and autism) there is no reason to have the original if a copy is identical.
I mean if I get a image from the Internet I'm happy to have it its not like I have a obsession to hunt down the "original file" in like getting the HDD where the artists first saved the first file and plugging this into my computer.
Books are copies and if you get a copy I'm happy and I don't see the need to find the original first printing or manuscript to "Own the original" or some shit.
Same for movies etc if someone offered me the original Star Trek recording tapes I would not want them because why? I have my copies of the episodes that I can watch.
What do you say to the accusation that all art trade is nothing more then money laundering? Also this
https://www.joshuakennon.com/synthetic-gemstones-vs-natural-gemstones/
you are retarded if you don't buy synthetic gems. Not that I want shiny useless peaces of rock.
Synthetics are superior to natural ones stronger, more shiny (because no impurities) and cheaper!
Why anyone would want the natural crap is beyond me. its only the gemstone industry propaganda who keeps these waist of money rocks around.
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41065a No.24856
>>24851
>Books are copies and if you get a copy I'm happy and I don't see the need to find the original first printing or manuscript to "Own the original" or some shit.
And yet, first-edition collectors exist. And they're not all rich fucks either, before you try to deflect with "muh laundering" again.
>People who think like
<Must have the original
>Are simply insane or mentally defective (something between OCD and autism) there is no reason to have the original if a copy is identical.
So the commie is an incomplete human with no capacity for sentimentality. What a surprise. Well dearie, I hate to burst your bubble but most economic actors aren't cursed with your affliction, and their behavior won't change no matter how much you REEEEEE about the irrationality of it all; it does happen, and it will continue to happen, even if you personally don't understand why all the stupid goyim spurn your soy replicators and holodecks for other experiences.
You're also failing to understand the abstract argument with your spastic focusing on this one example: human demand is insatiable and scarcity of time will never not exist. It's irrelevant whether this demand manifests as art collecting, prestige, hobbies, physical or mental prowess, or whatever–people will desire things which they don't have. It is a truism also that they will be willing to trade things already in their possession for things outside of their possession, provided they value the latter more than the former. Given the previous statements to be true, it is self-evident that a standard of exchange will make these transactions easier and more sophisticated. Therefore there will be money, therefore there will be an economy.
>What do you say to the accusation that all art trade is nothing more then money laundering?
It's a retarded non sequitur with no relation to the topic of value. The fact that you continue to bring it up in spite of this shows how hollow your position really is.
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b6ae84 No.24857
>>24856
Lets get things clarified.
>So the commie
I'm not a communist.
>Therefore there will be money
I'm not opposing money.
For me Libertarians like you simply are the other communists you make absurd arguments(the "muh originals") (Libertarians are more easy to disprove then communists) who are only idiotic because reality and facts can disprove them.
You
<muh collectors
Argument is simply disprovable by facts.
Let me add escape parameters to my scenario
Excluding economic bullshit
>Money laundering
>Speculation (I buy literal dog shit and I know its useless however I speculate I can sell it to other idiots for more)
>Imperfect information
And research:
>Some research endeavor (scientists want to see how long old paint lasts or how exactly the ancient painter brushed the painting by analyzing the original)
>We need to see if the chain of copies was not changed by looking at the oldest original copy
The
<Must have original because I have autism/OCD/Retardation
Is simply stupid everyone who is obsessed with it is simply brain damaged or has some mental disorder and belongs in the gas chambers with the other defectives.
>And yet, first-edition collectors exist
And Real retards exists in the real world. What is your point?
You see why Libertarians are simply silly and wrong?
I don't have these "muh original" obsessions do you(I suspect not)? And trying to understand them only leaves one conclusion these urges are defects therefore I'm superior to these defects for not having the "muh originals" obsession and they are inferior to me.
>but most economic actors
Citation needed, you pulled this number out of your ass.
Are you confusing bullshit economic reasons speculation, money laundering with actual urges? Because the actual "muh originals" urge is simply inferior it leaves you with less money and therefore is a detriment, a flaw.
>You're also failing to understand the abstract argument with your spastic focusing on this one example
Translation
<I literally made a terrible argument and I don't want you to criticize it
The problem here is the classical libertarian who wanks about some example in long posts and this example is simply demonstratively stupid.
Your talking something that is equal to
<As we know rain starts forest fires and therefore
Excluding fringe cases(if you can name them you win extra points) rain never starts forest fires and I simply needed to answer your stupidity and insane assertions.
>no capacity for sentimentality
I also have no capacity for having histrionic attacks or seizures this actually makes me superior to defectives who have them. Why would anyone hose to be defective and inferior?
>incomplete human
Humanity is something to be surpassed.
PS: This is also the reason why communism is simply wrong there will always be defectives and defects so this utopia where no one ever is doing anything bad is simply stupid.
Another side note:
>most economic actors aren't cursed with your affliction
Did you even see
https://www.joshuakennon.com/synthetic-gemstones-vs-natural-gemstones/
Its a blog post of one of these investor types who is shocked to learn that natural gems are inferior on all levels to synthetic ones and decided to test this. This is what is called imperfect information or in simple words not everyone knows about the best deals (and capitalists love to throw around propaganda and misinformation to trick the gullible idiots into buying their worthless crap; example of gemstones).
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a713ec No.24858
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>>24857
>For me Libertarians like you simply are the other communists
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b6ae84 No.24859
>>24858
<I literally ignore every fact and obsess over one word
Nice debating by obsessing over a shorthand word to demonstrate one thing.
>Libertarians like you simply are the other communists
Libertarians = Utopian ideology = Communist
Libertarians = Believe that every single human is perfectly good and will never do anything evil = Communist
There are similarities don't pretend they are not.
Now going back to every simple other point I made.
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41065a No.24863
>>24859
>trans-humanist LARPer
>le big-brained enlightened centrist
Don't pretend like your opinions have any value.
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b6ae84 No.24865
>>24863
This is your second warning you want to talk about you "muh originals" or will you never talk about this subject?
Don't act like a typical libertarian that has no answers outside of shitposting about unrelated subjects.
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41065a No.24866
>>24865
>This is your second warning
Please stop, it's too much
The reason I'm not talking about "muh originals" is because it's irrelevant. You're so busy fingering yourself over how much smarter you are than the general populace for knowing about synthetic gemstones to realize this factoid not only fails to disprove what I was saying about subjective value, it actually proves my point further.
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b6ae84 No.24867
>>24866
>Please stop, it's too much
This is only a number counter, every time you shitpost and make yourself look like a retard for not answering a request.
BTW:
3 Warning.
> "muh originals" is because it's irrelevant
No no no child you started it, you based your argument on it now you shitpost to questions.
Look kid arguments are not clubs you use to hit the other opponent over the head to win a fight for a team. You simply don't stop using a club and ignore that what you have written while keeping the core premiss in tact.
This is not some sport where you change to a different club to make the idea "square wheels are better then round ones" work. This is propaganda and you are simply deluding yourself.
>You're so busy fingering yourself over how much smarter
Nice immature writing. I find amusement in discussions where I stay respectful and intelligent while the other side is the equivalent of shit throwing monkeys spouting memes and shitposting.
>gemstones
Is all about "muh originals" care to elaborate on it? Is this some fact of life or something? Somethings every human has? I don't have this and I asked if you have this.
>fails to disprove
You want to show me all the sane people who actually obsess over "muh originals" or some paintings or hand made horse shoos or other shit?
Do you have these urges? Who has? Some mentally defective moron?
>subjective value
It exists only you are a idiot for overpaying or buying useless things. Like you pay 1 million for dog shit we are not talking about corner cases like speculation the actual "muh originals" buying of dog shit.
You get it? No one gives a shit that some flimflams corners the market on art/dog shit and are selling alt/dog shit for 1 million a peace. You are only retarded if you want to buy dog shit and think its worth holding on forever.
Oh you can "value" it at 1 million only you are stupid.
Even insanely more with "muh originals" because there is literally nothing different from the copy you are overpaying for the exact same thing because of your mental disorder of "muh originals".
And you placing this "'value'" on these overpriced originals makes you the biggest idiot in existence. This desire for "muh originals" is manufactured by flimflam capitalists who want people to buy their worthless garbage at incredibly overpriced prices.
Will you ever address you "muh originals" stupidity?
maybe a
<Whoops i fucked up sorry that was a stupid example I'm a idiot no one wants "muh originals"
Or do you try to defend it?
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