/strek/ - Star Trek ★

>when they actually cleared up this issue somewhat elegantly, and then STD comes along and stick's it's dick in it

>>16720

Did they? Worf just kinda mentioned it was something they don't talk about and brushed it off unless I'm forgetting something.

>>16722

Enterprise explained it.

>>16723

Oh, been meaning to watch that. not really

>>16720

ENT's explanation was better than DIS.

So if I smash up someone's bones and swap out their organs I can implant someone else's personality into their body? That's asinine. Maybe even worse than using a spacebeast high on shroom spores to navigate through the universe.

>>16730

Oh, is that where they're going with that? I thought they were just ripping off the Cylons from BSG because they're hacks.

>Anyone in the crew could be a Klingon. Ooooooooh. Suspense.

>>16723

yeah but its Enterprise

>>16733

They solved the issue of why Klingons changed, for anyone who actually cared, and it wasn't too much of an ass pull, and I think most people were satisfied. Then along comes STD like a bull in a china shop…

>>16699 (OP)

Children aren't supposed to use this site. Nice double dubs though kid

>>16735

> it wasn't too much of an ass pull

Didn't they come up with that retcon years before ENT, and ENT just made it cannon?

>>16735

I always assumed it was exactly what it was.. TOS didn't have the budget or the technology (as much as rubber foreheads can be called 'technology') to make Klingons look more alien. TNG made it pretty clear that Klingons have always had the forehead ridges, then Enterprise decided they needed to solve the great mystery decades after people stopped caring.

>>16774

I feel like there was also some book. Where the klingons thought humans were making super soldiers or something. Its such a strange change that people just said what ever and lived with it

>>16730

>>16720

>>16731

>>16735

it's irrelevant because STD isn't cannon

>>16759

'dem tiddies

>>16774

Right, but if you did actually care, there's your explanation, and it works well enough.

>>16699 (OP)

They are too fabulous.

>>16733

Watch it you tard.

>complains about ENT

>complains about JJew

>complains about STD

You can't live in the 20th century forever, the worst of the trekkies are those campy old farts who act like only TOS is cannon and have been whining about how terrible Picard is since the '80s.

>>18586

Kill yourself, quickly.

Some of the comics and novels went with the idea that there were actually two different sub species of klingons, and that sometime after TOS, the more savage "untouchable caste" staged a revolution and took over Kronos, genocided the more human-like higher caste klingons and ended the klingon-romulan alliance. And their obsession with honor and combat is the result of generations of being abused as a slave race by the the higher castes.

It's an interesting idea, but frankly I think they should have just retcon them as always looking like that. Trying to lampshade the cheesy low budget designs of the TOS in later series always ends up being cringey.

>>18586

>come on it's the current year

Please don't leave your containment thread.

>>18586

Actually tbf ENT is decently respected around here. It beats JJ-Trek by a fucking mile and makes STD look well written.

>>18593

That explanation is better than the one in Enterprise at least, becuase it also explains why the new Klingons were so different in demeanor.

But yeah, DS9 handled it best: didn't try to explain it, just made a quick joke and moved on.

>>18606

Enterprise doesn't deserve a fraction of it's hate. It actually does have some good episodes in a sea of shit

>>18821

I mean the third series is when it hit its stride then it got told no series 5 so it had to condense all the shit into series 4. It's why series 4 has loads of good episodes but is not a good series.

>>18612

It makes sense to me that the disgraced, disfigured Klingons would be less prideful, and so a lot of the obsession with honour would leave them.

>>18822

>Series

Britbong detected. They're seasons. The whole thing is a series.

>>18843

Nah.

>>18852

You can be and are wrong.

>>18855

Nah.

>>18858

Yeah

>>18875

>The English Language isn't supposed to make sense.

I disagree. English does have rules, and they do make sense once you understand them. But the rules tangle together and turn on themselves like a basket of fucking Mobius strips, and only native speakers can ever hope to truly understand them. This is a feature not a bug however, as we can take great and sadistic pleasure from watching foreigners hopelessly flail about as they struggle to understand the clusterfuck-by-design that is English conjugation.

>>18876

I trained as a TEFL teacher a few years ago, and that list of rules explaining how English hates non-native speakers comes from my experience of trying to teach English to foreigners. Rule 3 is a summary of some unplanned ranting in class at the end of a long day when someone pointed out that the spelling I'd covered that day made no sense. It gets kind of annoying when you're trying to explain that 'laid' is pronounced like 'paid' but not like 'said', and 'said' is pronounced like 'bread' but not 'bead', and 'bead' is pronounced like 'lead' (the action) but not 'lead' (the metal). It's also a shame that you never get to go into accents when you're teaching English Language, if you want to see English at its most sadistic you've got to go into the various accents we've produced.

>>18880

>That's hardly a unique thing for English. At least English doesn't have those inflections they use in slavic languages, that change the meaning of the word.

Anon, present tense read and past participle read.

>>18874

>No Pakistan flag and it being called "British"

Almost.

>>18875

English language is the only one that actually is in order, i.e. everything is a start and a finish without meaningless fucking around of word order cause of reasons.

>>18914

>English language is the only one that actually is in order, i.e. everything is a start and a finish without meaningless fucking around of word order cause of reasons.

>without meaningless fucking around of word order cause of reasons.

>without meaningless fucking around of word order.

Anon, adjective ordering:

Opinion: pretty, horrible, lovely

Size: huge, tiny, big, little

Age: old, young, new

Shape: round, square, triangular

Colour: black, red, yellow

Origin: British, Chinese, French

Material: woollen, wooden, silk

Purpose: writing (paper), school (shoes)

>>18917

In most other languages descriptors can be all over the place in a sentence with the actual thing you are describing being lost somewhere in the middle. In English descriptors always come first with the thing you are describing coming at the end of a sentence.

For example in English a sentence will always go like so:

"Those ugly large red leather shoes"

In other languages it can be something like:

"Those leather large shoes red ugly"

English makes more sense in that you only have to catch the end of a sentence to understand what a person is talking about while most other languages you'd have to listen to the full sentence to comprehend what is going on.

It's why English is the best language, it just doesn't fuck around and gets straight to the point.

>>19610

>"Those leather large shoes red ugly"

Yuck, what languages actually do this?

>>21791

Latin comes to mind. What a word does in a sentence is determined almost entirely by its ending. Word order can be more or less random. There was a commonly used syntax, but it was more of a suggestion for conversational use, not a rule. Things like poetry did not at all stick to this and shuffled things around to fit meter and rhyme.

>>21791

Russian does this, you can put adjectives in whatever order you like. The ording is often either dictated by importance, "long RED shoes" as opposed to "red LONG shoes" or by new information,

"I got some new red shoes",

"what kind of shoes?"

"red shoes [that are] long" (it should be noted that russian has very flexible word order).

English adjective word order is actually pretty unique.

>>21794

This, languages with case systems are far more flexible with word order because you can tell the subject, object, secondary object, location, destination, objects being acted upon by a preposition ect. by how its declined. For example in Russian, you can put the phrase "the man hit the dog" in any order and you will still be able to tell what is being hit and who is doing the hitting because dog (I would type in Russian but this computer is configured for it) declines in the accusative while man remains in the nominative.

>>21796

You are correct that Russian more flexible word order, but with adjectives in particular you tend to put them before the noun and not after.

>>18586

To be entirely fair, Picard is cancer. Best captain boils down to a three way between Archer, Kirk, and Sisko.

>>21808

>To be entirely fair, Picard is cancer.

Do you have a problem with wisdom and consistency in authoritative figures?

>>18843

Reminder that the first television channel was in England. The first series in England.The first serial in England.

They are series, the first series of pokemon cards, the second series. They are still pokemon cards.

Series.

>>21859

It's a season because that's what the producers call it.

>>21859

Reminder that the first nuke should have been used on England.

>>21858

Unironically a better show than Voyager.

>>21860

I am sure you mean (((producers)))?