/strek/ - Star Trek

>>15760

The gay doctor is dead and was killed by the surgically augmented Klingon.

>>>/startrek/

sage and report all STD threads

It's shit.

off-topic

/strek/ BTFO when "faceless emperor" is William Shatner

>>15782

Seeing how bad the writing team is, I bet that they'll try to appear smart and pull a "the Emperor is Female" with Georgiou (and ignore that Hoshi was the Empress at some point).

>>15766

Don't you mean?

>>>/zoo/

The show's just boring, honestly. There's so little to say about it. I almost wish it was worse, so I could make fun of it more.

Honestly this episode was pretty ___decent__

I don't know if it was Frakes directing it or that the mirror universe seems like a better fit for the characters, but this episode legit entertained me most of the time.

thank god the doctor is dead too, he was incredibly annoying

>>15882

Looks like a shitty Judge Dredd costume, if Judge Dredd had some Nickelodeon show

Don't catch STDs

>>15763

>Have a stereotypical camp-gay character

<LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE!

>Almost immediately kill him off

<LOOK HOW CONSERVATIVE WE ARE!

Trying to play both sides never works out, you fucking losers.

WHY IS THE FUCKING BITCH'S NAME MICHAEL!?

>>15882

Looks like they are taking a shit.

>>15904

nothing more progressive than women hating their own identity and trying to trade up to becoming the superior gender.

>>15904

It's the [current stardate], bigot.

>>15888 (heiled)

>>Almost immediately kill him off

><LOOK HOW CONSERVATIVE WE ARE!

>Trying to play both sides never works out, you fucking losers.

Is that even playing both sides? I don't think I know of anybody, conservative or otherwise, that is more likely to watch a show because a gay man died. Affirmative action shit is something right-wingers tend to just ignore, rather than rooting for the other side.

Interesting how they've managed to make the Terran Empire seem so much better for humanity when they control all of known space while everyone else is fucked. Also doesn't this break canon now that they are in the Mirror Universe before Kirk?

>>15928

Didn't Archer visit the mirror universe?

>>15934

No.

>>15934

there was a two parter near the end of the series called in a mirror darkly.

http://www.jammersreviews.com/st-ent/s4/mirror1.php

>>15934

No, the two-parter featured the MU version of the ENT crew.

>>15928

>Also doesn't this break canon now that they are in the Mirror Universe before Kirk?

Yep.

>>15918

>Affirmative action shit is something right-wingers tend to just ignore

You wouldn't know it from /pol/ throwing a temper tantrum about every single gay character in every single piece of media ever made. Also, it's less "killing the character" and more "just getting rid of him". Playing both sides as in

<We got rid of that faggot, now can you plz watch our show? kthx

>>15955

<We got rid of that faggot, now can you plz watch our show? kthx

Ah, I suppose that makes a bit of sense, and I could see them doing that. Still, even assuming that is what they were doing, I doubt it will have an effect. Gays popping up all over the place is just a symptom of the show's shit-tier quality, hiding the symptom won't make the cancer any less real.

>>15964

There is really no problem with gays appearing on television.

The real issue is the blatant flaunting of sexuality for no real purpose. Showmakers can't resist the urge to have someone dangling their dick or showing their tits every 5 minutes which really spoils a lot of shows.

For some reason (((they))) think they are being edgy and providing shock value but all they really doing is replacing story, characters and plot with a bad porno.

>>15955

You know, I don't even really care if a character is gay. I just don't want overt faggotry, and I especially don't want it in place of good science fiction writing. A characer's sexual preference should barely even come up anyway, because this is Star Trek, not a soap opera. I could have believed Julian Bashir was gay, and they wouldn't have even had to beat me over the head with it.

>>15967

I thought I was watching Stargate at one point.

>>15973

I recall reading a series called Empire of Man that was recommended on /k/. It has some typical lefty stuff for sci-fi, like female soldiers and multiculti, a bit worse than the same in Starship Troopers but not enough to ruin the read. But I did think it handled gay characters pretty well.

At one point the MC accidentally discovers that a minor side character has a collection of gay smut novels on his computer. His reaction is nothing about how good it is to live in a galaxy where that's accepted, nor how brave and heroic the guy is to be gay. He just says to himself, "Huh, I wouldn't have guessed he swung that way" and moves on. The book knows there are certain expectations of who has what sexuality, but neither condemns those expectations nor treats them as rigid. The context was that the MC had trouble interacting with the battalion the gay guy was part of and was making awkward attempts to learn more about them, like peeking over their shoulder at their screens, and in doing so ended up learning something much more personal than he meant to. The moment made complete sense narratively, and the decision to use a character's sexuality as the personal information was no less reasonable than any other possibility. It wasn't shoved where it didn't belong.

In another case one soldier jokingly flirts with his "very heterosexual" comrade. No real significance is placed on it and it's not treated as a sensitive topic. It's just one guy making light of his own sexuality and having a bit of banter between good friends, with no substantial difference from the myriad other sexual humor soldiers have engaged in for as long as soldiers have existed. It's the kind of thing you could easily imagine happening between normal people.

It has to be one of the sanest, most reasonable depictions of homosexuality I've seen in sci fi.

It also had some pretty neat space battles in the fourth book, and the first three books were not inaccurately described to me as "Starship Troopers meets von Lettow-Vorbeck". Decent read.

Human imperial troop transport carrying a foppish prince shot down over a tribal jungle hellhole. Survivors proceed to rampage their way across half the planet to the only human outpost, teaming up with "scummies" (the alien natives) or slaughtering them by the thousands as the situation requires, proselytizing the wonders of gunpowder to their native allies, and toppling a not-Islam theocracy for good measure.

>>15955

<We got rid of that faggot, now can you plz watch our show? kthx

I disagree. Having gay characters isn't an issue, it's the way and the reason they're written that can be a problem. If a writer makes a character gay because "ugh, it's 2018" then it's pandering and the character won't grow. To me the gay couple in STD is pandering because they're the only couple and their relationship is "perfect" at least until the last two episodes.

I think they killed him because he serves no purpose anymore since Stamets has gone full Cylon hybrid. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a MU version of the fag doctor.

>Watch a bit of the show

>Klingons have cloaks

WHAT?

DID THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THIS SHOW ACTUALLY WATCH STAR TREK?

>>15968

Precisely. As a general rule

<Black people are fine. Niggers are not.

<Gay people are fine. Faggots are not.

<Women are fine. Cunts are not.

>>16015

The foisting of nonwhites, homosexuals and women into every single narrative, in every single position is both offensive and artistically bankrupt. It is irrelevant that the African is a fine upstanding gentleman if he's depicted in an interracial relationship. If somehow that shitty Ghosbusters remake was average or even better, it would still be an insulting offense against the original and further evidence of the horrific undoing of culture (and I would be remiss to neglect to mention the support or advertisement of White genocide).

It is irrelevant the demeanor of these characters - in this respect - what is relevant is that they weren't added to a story, even partially, to fill some kind of disgusting diversity quota or push some Communist agenda.

>>16026

People recommend this shit to me all the time. I don't think the writers are 80 IQ, more like trapped in the 95-105 IQ ghetto where you feel genius because you're smarter than like half the population and yet eternally fail to recognize the gap between themselves and a 120 or 130 (whom they tend to mistakenly class as being in the sub-95 category due to the critical fault of assuming that any thought process not within their immediate purview must be beneath their level). I could get over the hyper-convoluted "puzzles" being unsolvable from the viewer's standpoint due to not grasping certain arbitrary elements, but aside from that the characters and setpieces are mind numbingly boring.

>>16019

>Babby cg artist figures out how to do extrusions in 3dsmax

For all the talk of diversity, this show is really lacking in non human characters. We've got Mr Suru(real creative name there) who has potential but hasn't really done anything yet, and that robot girl who has not spoken a word.

>>16056

Hey! Stronk Independent Womyn Micki self-identifies as a trans-Vulcan, you have no right misspecies her!

>>16056

I know it's such a fucking waste of a decent actor that it's almost as if they told him "Just go and be Abe Sapien in space" it is such a greasy, half-arsed typecasting on the poor guy. And frankly it's no fun to watch.

So what is STD even about? All I know is that it's got a negress Vulcaboo named Michael as the lead, and something about a new drive based on fungus.

>>16062

You've really hit the high points already. Besides tactical faggots, the ugly Klangs, and the USS Ciscovery being a fidget spinner there's really nothing else to the show.

>>16058

And I enjoy the concept of an alien race who were bred as livestock. You could really go somewhere with that idea, but right now he's basically just set dressing.

>>16062

That's pretty much the show; the only thing you are missing are the showrunners referencing Laurelai and an unwanted "Klink" sex scene.

>>16056

The first episodes in the show evolved arround Lorca, Burnam, Tyler, that chief engineer (forgot name) and partly Saru. Once they start getting a routine, I'm sure we get to see other characters, like that robot chick or that redhead navigator. The main cast is indeed smaller compared to previous Trek shows, but that's what you pay for complete serialization. Giving more than five characters an integral part in the story as the plot unfolds is a bit of an overload. I remember people needed four episode to figure out who is who in Kings Landing after episode three of the first season of Game of Thrones.

>>16080

Your post reads like it was written by someone at CBS. I have a hard time believing CBS would send shills to.our tiny corner of the internet, but that post is surely making me consider it.

>>16081

Why seems to me to be an example of why you maybe shouldn't do heavy serialisation right of the bat for a Star Trek show. Do a Babylon 5 and take one season to establish the setting and the characters, and then kick off into the main story.

>>16080

>Michael is one of the best Trek characters since Seven Of Nine, and Sonequa Martin-Green is actually a great at it.

oh man, how much did you get paid to write that (and the entire post really)?

>>16080

What do you like about Michael? Genuinely curious.

>>16096

I like the concept of a human trying to become a Vulcan, but ultimately succumbs to human nature, yet still has issues to integrate into human society. It's an intriguing concept to me in the tradition of Spock, Data or Seven of Nine - and ten times better than just a generic human Mary Sue. And yeah, I think the actress nails it and I think she's charismatic.

>>16085

The serialization is probably a built-up to a more episodic show when they've mastered interdimensional jumps and explore new universes. If the writers have good ideas about parallel or extra-dimensional universes, this could be great. Maybe we get to meet the origins of Species 8472 or something.

>>16083

I'm not a shill. I just think it's a good series. If they manage to capture more of the original Trek sprit (references to literature or the past, ethical and political dilemmas) it could be great. Star Trek was always about humans in an utopian communist society fighting off remnants if their archaic past, like it's looming over them. Humanity has overcome these shortcomings, but there is always the threat of a revival of what humans used to be like (like in "The Drumhead"), especially when confronted with danger. In STD, they are faced with a merciless Klingon onslaught, so it forces them to become more militaristic, more pragmatic and give people like Lorca (who would probably be an outcast in TNG or TOS) actual command responsibilities. This is an interesting scheme.

>>16339

Shill or not, you've got shit taste.

>>16339

Well, I don't agree. I think Michael is boring at the best of times, annoying at the worst, and I think the very premise of the character is silly. Why would the Vulcans ever end up raising a human kid? They were in close contact with humans by that point. They could just phone them up and say "yo, we got one of your kids here. Come pick her up". This whole thing actually makes the Vulcans seem kind of sinister, like they were happy for the opportunity to study a human kid like a lab animal, so they kept it quiet. That's something the Romulans or the Cardassians should be doing, not the Vulcans.

>The serialization is probably a built-up to a more episodic show when they've mastered interdimensional jumps and explore new universes.

Why? That's exactly the wrong way to do this. You start by introducing people to the setting, warming them to the characters, and then you kick off into the big story arcs. That's like basic storytelling.

I think we should have had at least a half season of largely episodic episodes with Asian lady as captain of the Discovery (cut the other ship. No need for it), setting up each of the regular characters, giving us reasons to care for them, and then Asain captain lady dies, in comes Lorca as captain, things take a darker turn, and the big story arcs start to kick off.

>>16352

In the Mirror Universe anyone who displeased Empress Hoishi II gets fucked in the ass by her using a strap-on agonizer.

>>16352

It's the [current stardate], the Emperor is a trap.

>>15882

I actually prefer her regular costume, you can't see her big juicy ginger nips with that chest armour.

>>16019

I know this isn't going to happen, but I'd love a crossover episode.

>>16535

I just want to see them all killed off.

>>16534

>big juicy ginger nips

Pics or GTFO

>>16534

What >>16541 said. I demand screenshots of said juicy nips. I like juicy nips.

>>16080

>generic cheezburger maymay pic

>le neutral shill

When I see shitposts like this, it either reads as "desperate to like something because muh corporate/franchise brand and I keep low standards" or "muh cousin works on the show guys, please give it a shot".

>>16568

You're posting on 8chan's Star Trek board.

I am unironically enjoying the Mirror Universe. I just hope they die horribly.

>>16618

One down.

I dropped STD after about 5 episodes. I cannot possibly imagine any developments in the show that would make it worth trying to watch. If any of you would like to prove me wrong, tell me what episode(s) are worth it. I don't even care about canon stuff, I just remember it being stupid.

>>16693

>tell me good things about STD.

shill detected

>>16693

Remember the last episode of Enterprise?

It's just like that, STD is just one big fantasy holonovel made by Barclay.

Sauce - My arse

Just watched this

>1 minute in

>Terran Empire originally not xenophobic

CIScovery BTFO?

>>16693

It's not stupid, it's just not great.

Every Star Trek series has great episodes, but only one had more good than mediocre.

STD is alright, the pluses are that the captain is fun to watch though an implausible character, and the design is modern and clean. STD has so far only had 1 good episode in my opinion, it's the one with Harry Mudd in that time loop.

>>16707

>STD is alright

I hear Disney pays their shills more than Paramount, FYI.

>>16714

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. STD's biggest problem is being boring. It really isn't horribly bad or anything. It's just dull.

I almost wish it were worse so there was something more to say about it. At least you can derive enjoyment laughing at something truly terrible.

>>16714

No but it's cash in hand, so not taxable.

>>16718

>It's just dull

That is the problem with all SJW stuff. It can be well made but it is not compelling because you can't offend anyone.

Lorca is from Mirror Universe who couldn't have guessed?

>>16755

I knew the plot was going to be dumb but not this fucking retarded. Fact that he was Mirror Universe surprised virtually no one. The real fact was that the Empress decided "Hurr durr I was gonna execute you but now we friends!"

>Inb4 Mirror CIScovery due to it's superior Terran tech has won the war in their universe solo

Oh and forgot

>we sensitive to light for no logical or explained reason and we also know that we are more sensitive to light than your universe.

>>16757

I bet the light thing could be a reason for the divergence in Universes.

>>16753

What is it? Not Star Trek.

>>16761

Why even post if you don't care?

>>16760

I bet Lorca dies next episode even though I hope he becomes Emperor.

How does one even manage to fuck up the Mirror Universe?

>>16765

>SJWs

I gathered, but fuck I gave this a watch tonight. You know how (((writers))) that like to think they are being smart so they include as much edgy shit and plot twists as possible but in reality it's all so poorly done and painfully obvious you can't help but cringe? Well that's my impression of STD's writing. Almost like they decided to take a list of every plot twist and shock moment trope and hamfist it into the show.

>>16767

Just remember that there will be a season 2.

>>16768

Just going to watch Spock's Brain while I drink bleach.

>>16764

DS9 had fucked it up already. The mirror universe should have been a TOS episode and left at that.

Obviously Swolecard is absolutely awesome but if we’re honest the swoleverse is its own entity loosely based on the mirror universe.

>>16768

Which has been "delayed" until the end of next year. If they have any sense they'll see how massively unpopular STD is and drop it altogether.

Who am I kidding, these fucks always double down. We'll see at least another half season before this pile of shit has hemorrhaged so much money rendering that fidget spinner that they're forced to shut it down.

>>16749

Yeah, and no focus on interesting alien characters, because we have to show everyone how powerful black women are, again.

>>16756

>The real fact was that the Empress decided "Hurr durr I was gonna execute you but now we friends!"

Come on, she wouldn't dare kill the smart, strong and independent Michael.

In this episode it was the Empress who said that Michael is smarter than everyone. Last week it was a random guy from the bridge of the ISS Shenzhu.

After 12 episodes, the writers still haven't heard of "show, don't tell".

>>16752

The Destiny in SGU could refuel into the stars, the STD writers think they can do better.

>>16764

It's easy: make a MU episode during the first season of your show before you've even finished establishing the main characters. That way no one can care about what is happening because they don't know who are the characters that they should root for.

The MU worked in DS9 because it was interesting to see a dyke Kira, Smiley & Bashir as butt buddies and that somehow even in the MU Ezri wears diapers.

>>16789

>MU Ezri wears diapers.

Proofs? Or is it a case that PU wears pampers and MU wears huggies?

>>16753

Are they ripping off Doctor Who plot devices now?

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Eye_of_Harmony

>>16799

>(((SJW)))'s not having original ideas

Say it ain't so?

>Prime Michael is the very special ward of not just any Vulcan, but Sarek, and thus is closely related to Spock

>Mirror Michael was the ward of not just any person, but the fucking Emperor and they were so close, she called her "mother"

okay, be honest with me lads, when are they gonna reveal STD is a parody written by the same chick who wrote the very first Mary Sue fic back in the 70s?

>>16811

…and whatever the universe she's in, there's always a character ready to tell her/us how smart and strong she is.

>>15904

It's a tic on behalf of Fuller - all his shows has a woman/girl with a guys name.

Check IMDB.

>>16080

I agree - I'm having fun with this show.

We've seen the trek shows before become more and more mired in habit and anomaly-of-the-week.

Doing something different is refreshing.

I liked the old shows (except VOY which was arse) I liked most of the movies, and I adore the JJ take on the franchise.

I can forgive STD for the tacked on use of Sarek - which is a bit silly, as they could have had Burnham adopted by any vulcan pair and had the same dilemmas as we see now.

I don't get very much along with the more ossified element of the fanbase, as they want everything to remain beige and harmless with an ever returning status quo.

Fun too see how the angrier yell "shill" whenever people dont' share their taste - if you don't like the show, don't watch it.

I disliked VOY, tried the first few episodes and dropped it - I didn't pop online and moaned and bitched about other people liking it, I just didn't watch it. Easy peasy.

Like what you like, and let others do the same.

>>16352

Some languages haven't got the male/female versions of jobtitles.

In danish we did away with those during the 1960's - so you're an actor regardless of sex, or as here, an emperor - It's just you're behind the times, and angry about it when you're reminded.

>>16753

>>16752

>That lens flare

I just noticed something. The sun isn't even the brightest object in this scene..

>>16753

>>16753

Is that actually supposed to be a star?

>>16815

>I'm having fun with this show.

>Doing something different is refreshing.

>I adore the JJ take on the franchise.

>I can forgive STD

>want everything to remain beige and harmless with an ever returning status quo.

>if you don't like the show, don't watch it.

>Like what you like, and let others do the same.

GET THE FUCK OFF MY BOARD AND KILL YOURSELF IMMEDIATELY

>>16828

>if you don't like the show, don't watch it.

apparently CBS doesn't believe this themselves, considering how many fan projects they strangled in the crib.

>>16828

Stop taking the bait

>>16828

no u

>>16837

I don't think any of the characters will survive at all - they'll drop like flies during the series and new characters will come onboard, and they will also die, nobody is safe in wartime.

>>16849

They will try to out Game of Thrones Game of Thrones for a horrid analogy.

>>16849

Well, that could be an opportunity for them to save the show, but brining in some good characters. I wouldn't bet on it though.

>>16849

While that may be a neat idea they are not going to dump the confused black main character. Plus, black alert would no longer be a thing.

>>16868

Wartyface McGingertits is a goner though.

>>16873

Shame.i actually don't mind her as far as this show's characters go. She has the semblance of a personality, and some room for character growth.

>>16877

the captain, alien chicken man, gingertits, and even gay scientist dude were passable characters that would have been fine on a normal trek show as part of ensemble cast, it was focusing so hard on black alert, security officer sleeper agent, and the Klingons that really fucked the show.

>>16882

I can't believe they let Michael have that awful hair for the entire series. Her haircut is cute in the first two episodes but goes full ghetto after that. I don't even know what to call Michael's hair after the two part pilot.

>>16339

>communist

what the fuck are you on? Gold pressed Latinum, federation credits, transporter credits, plain old bartering. etc etc. Look I know money is tough after your Gender Studies degree didn't go anywhere but there's got to be a better job for you than this.

GTFO son, I still believe in you.

>>16816

So what your saying is that your language can't differentiate the male and female gender in it's job titles purely for "muh gender neutrality"? Jesus this has been going on since the 60s, we're screwed.

>>16889

>>16339 is without a doubt a faggot, but it's definitely true that parts of Trek (particularly the first couple seasons of TNG) were Roddenberry masturbating to his vision of a post-scarcity communist utopia. The writers soft-retcon this later, but in TNG and especially the early seasons, it's implied that the Feds don't really use money.

>>16891

I believe its more accurate to say that Earth doesn't use money. the further out you go, the more currency you see being used. It's a multicultural society, with a few different currencies and ways of living. When you think about it, we only usually see a military ship, which of course isn't going to make its soldiers pay to eat, drink and all of that. Even in TOS I believe the Tribble salesman (despite giving Uhura free ones) proves currency or barter of some sort exists.

>>16892

>I believe its more accurate to say that Earth doesn't use money. the further out you go, the more currency you see being used.

Which makes sense, and is more or less the assumption I've adopted. Mostly I wished to point out Roddenberry's not-so-subtle attempts to make the Federation be his own Communist wankfest, even if that interpretation doesn't make a whole lot of sense outside of Starfleet and Earth And even then it doesn't make sense. Even if Picard's lofty speeches about humans brainwashing greed and desire for things, consumer demand is non-terminating. Even if "wealth" isn't being demanded, something will and you need prices to determine what that is and this is why you'll always need money everywhere you go no matter the tech level and POSTSCARCITY CUCKS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Even in TOS I believe the Tribble salesman (despite giving Uhura free ones) proves currency or barter of some sort exists.

That's also part of the issue, canon changes. In TOS there are a few lines here and there about Starfleet personnel getting paid, too.

>>16881

You mean the Kangzons?

>>16882

But even the most uncontrollable frizzy red mop is still better hair than nappy shit.

>>16891

One thing I never got about Roddenberry's vision of the federation is why do they ban genetic manipulation? Originally, I thought it was a gattica thing thing where letting babies be born with engineered traits would disrupt their "everyone's equal" shit, but DS9 showed that they could modify people after birth, and cost/access isn't an issue, so why? How the fuck is the human race ever supposed to evolve in star trek?

>>16910

Nah, you're wrong. It goes into why the ban genetic manipulation for two very clear and strong reasons within the Trek canon:

1: fuckin Khan back from the eugenics wars of the 1990s

2: In DS9 Julian is a rare anomoly who went from extremely mentally incapacitated to an incredibly smart healthy humanoid. This was done illegally due to the great dangers of genetic manipulation. There are at least 3 episodes where this is explored in depth in DS9. When you see the others who went through the gene therapy they all had significant drawbacks to their mental health and personality. It is not safe, it is not ethical, and in the history of Trek genetic manipulation has fucked up over and over again.

>>16911

Always figured the fucked up misfits were more due to the illegal backalley nature of their mods and because nobody had bothered doing any refinements or testing to the procedure in centuries due to the ban.

>>16911

Like >>16912 said, I was always under the impression the genetically enhanced hyperautists only turned out that way because they didn't have the procedure done safely or properly. In TNG, they came across that bubble city of humans where everyone was a designer baby, and the genetic manipulation didn't have any negative effects there The pseudo-communist planned society they were making did, but that's besides the point.. I suspect it's just the writers circlejerking about equality.

>>16911

>they all had significant drawbacks to their mental health and personality.

What are you trying to say? You think you have the right to tell others what they can and cannot do to their own bodies or with there own children hmm?

hmm? hmm?

>Why should people be free to be free

That's a stupid question.

>>16913

They make it pretty clear that the hypersutists has shit therapy done, and that's why they were hypersutists. I miss the catatonic cutie. Bashir should have actually got the girl for once.

>>16949

Hyperautists*

That's what I get for phoneposting like a normalfag.

>>16019

It's modified, obviously. After over 100 years of continuous service do you seriously think that it would still look the same? You don't have to watch the show, but at least do a quick google search before spewing shit.

https://twitter.com/karterhol/status/952202679618453504

>>16966

Where's the Lensflare? :^)

>>16969

great idea, but people might still get enjoyment out of the old tv series. is there a way we could ruin that too? maybe something set just a few years before TOS, but completely destroys the continuity and turns the franchise into another half baked walking dead clone? throw in some space midichlorians that teleport the ship, we can shoehorn in a bunch of tranny acceptance and non white main characters so we can call the old fans bigots in like 5 different ways. all that's left is an appropriately insulting name.

>>16984

To be fair it didn't take it to extremes.

>>16987

They didn't need to. That's the thing. They didn't need to make something comically retro. They just had to look at technology we have now, and work forward a little.

>>16996

The big difference between ENT and STD is the setting. ENT worked because it was taking place 100 years before TOS. STD is 10 years before TOS.

>>16980

the more I think about STD the more I love ENT and realize what an awesome show it was.

>>16999

Enterprise was underrated.

>>16998

Well maybe don't do that. Is there any reason for the show to be set ten years before TOS, other than someone thought that sounded good? If you have to do more pre-TOS shows (and I really don't see why they had to) maybe 50 years after Enterprise would be a better pick.

>>17034

Lore around there is supposedly rather dull. Feds and Klingons weren't really doing anything of note, Romulans weren't doing much. It was just a period of consolidation and building up infrastructure.

>>17034

>Is there any reason for the show to be set ten years before TOS

When CBS took interest into the Axanar fanfilm, people started to think that the show would be about that period. I guess they wanted to be close to TOS for nostalgia bait, despite the final product being nothing close to TOS or any other Trek spin off.

People say that they should've set the show after VOY but I think CBS should've embraced the JewJew timeline. We know nothing about that place, it's the ideal setting to build something original.

>>17050

The start of the Fed-Cardasian war is around 2347, 80 years after TOS, so you can have a war if you push the time frame forward a bit.

>>16999

So if I get you right, you're suggesting that STD is so bad it makes ENT look good by comparison? Kind of like JJ star wars and the Prequel Trilogy? Sure Jar Jar is obnoxious, darth whine is is grating in the extreme, the love plot was horrendous and fuck the midichlorians. But its preferable to the shitpile that JJ has conjured up, with countless plotlines that go nowhere or mean nothing, like lukes lightsaber, the Knights of Ren, where Snoke came from, admiral feminazi and her brilliant plan to let the empire shoot her entire fleet except for one ship, then send its crew off in shuttles to be killed until in the last moment she would turn the last warship the rebels had around and use it to ram the imperial fleet (which shouldn't be possible because of how hyperdrives work in star wars) and instantly annihilate nearly the entire imperial force), rose the diversity hire who will totally make the chinese market love us (except rose was from thailand and the chinese market hates SJW bullshit so the movie bombed horribly in china) and all that shit, makes the prequels look like master strokes of cinema by comparison.

Problem is that it is only by comparison. The prequels are still awful and so is ENT. Its just not as bad as STD.

>>17056

Anons were talking pre-TOS though.

>>17056

>The prequels are still awful

Not nearly as bad as people say though. There's a lot of potential for good there and at least it built the universe up instead of tearing it down.

Okay I have just started watching ST:D (I decided I would sink some time into DS9 instead) and holy fuck it is like the JJ verse with less flair and fucking orc Klingons. I mean goddamn, Klingons have glorious manes, not bald overly sized heads.

>>17067

The half glass full point of view is that Paramount can always come out with a new /tv/ show can continue with canon like nothing has happened.

>>17059

Into Darkness is truly awful.

>>17122

nevermind

WTF Lorca is mirror universe? I am honestly not sure what I think about that twist tbh.

>>17183

You honestly never saw that coming? Are you blind?

>>17183

They had been hinted at that forever and it was almost painfully obvious it was going to happen as soon as they jumped to the Mirror Universe.

Is everyone ready for the feminazi transgendered shitskin alliance to eliminate the straight white male coalition?

>>17205

Needs more nacelles.

>>17205

Needs more fidgit spinners.

>Negress returns to ship

>Anounce BLACK ALERT

My sides, when the walls fell.

Well they managed to fuck up the Mirror Universe. Not sure how that was even possible. I gave this trash a chance and they screwed it beyond belief.

>>17221

I think he is happy to be off the show.

>>17222

>he ded

they killed him off? didn't they bring back Ching Chong Chinalady though? If they killed him they'll find some way to bring him back, even as some kind of villainous ghost inside Mike's Vulcan mind matrix experiences.

>>17213

>hidden niggers

I love the obvious propaganda embedded in this poster.

<angry, defiantly striding uncharming negresses

<walking all over the nasa logo

>>16755

Heterosexual cisgendered men are so evil that they must be from another reality!

>>16772

I'm just waiting for the tweets to come out begging people to get subscriptions to CBS all access in order to fight the alt right or whatever as the show goes nowhere.

>>17183

Here's what to think: man, that's really dumb. Instead of developing a dark character with a harsh backstory that twisted his personality to become a hardened, morally ambiguous person, they handwaved it away with "lol he from da ebulverse so dats wy he mean".

>>17211

Just couldn't help themselves, could they?

>>16966

I fucking love that ship.

>>16963

We did not even get to see the nu-Defiant in the mirror universe. They teased it and nothing.

>>16765

It is implied that it is Saru; she "picks" him when she is in the throne room.

>>17223

>they killed him off?

Yeah but the way they did it you can tell they will find some retarded reason to bring him back. Also they turned the show into nuBSG now.

>>17228

This was the most fucked up thing. They teased the Defiant for 3 episodes and we never got to see the ship.

>>17243

Do we know if MU-Lorca killed his Fed version?

>Also they turned the show into nuBSG now.

What do you mean?

>>17254

Federation is destroyed, Klingons are everywhere. The only saving grace would be if they kept the I.S.S. colors but this show's sins are too far and wide.

>>17254

>>17228

the most likely explanation is that they don't have to pay extra to mention it or show diagrams of it in the background art, but they do have to pay extra to show the actual ship in any identifiable form on screen.

>>17254

>How is it nuBSG

Loads more drama for no reason, premise is a destroyed Federation, even more drama with Starfleet survivors, woman that can go power trip and Emperor that wants to tutor Feds in Klingon Removal.

List goes on.

Only thing that will ever be good is if the remains of the Federation turn into the Terran Empire

>>17221

dude fuck white people XD

>>17221

Is he 15?

Okay I was watching STD for the sake of it, now I am hate-watching it. Fuck me Jon Isaacs was the best character on that show what the fuck did they do.

>>17282

Lorca is dead or so Jason Issacs twitter says.

https://twitter.com/jasonsfolly/status/957826161802801152

>>17282

>>17283

I know, that's why I am pissed off.

>>17287

His role was nothing more than an extended guest starring role tbh. If this show manages to go 5 seasons, it won't, then Lorca's character will mean absolutely nothing in the end. Lorca is the only good character on the show.

SJWs always do this to. Their villain characters always have motivations, emotions, goals, and feelings. Meanwhile I am supposed to assume Burnham is good because she is black or a correct thinking person. I imagine people in the future will find these shows very strange to watch without an understanding of the current political zeitgeist.

>>17289

>I laughed

I did too. Also

>manlet confirmed

>>17289

He sounds pretty damn happy to be off the show. Could Jason Isaacs possibly be /ourguy/?

It's only fitting that the only person we relate to from STD is the one that got as far away as he could when he had the chance.

>>17291

>Could Jason Isaacs possibly be /ourguy/?

It's going to be hard to be a better shitposter than Shatner.

>>17289

Northern Humour for you, tbh it was a crying shame they didn't have him do his Yorkish Zhukov accent.

In this latest episode, we see a reenactment of the election

>we're through two captains already

I don't know how they expect us to care about anyone on this show. You can do major character deaths, but you know, actually make us care first.

>>17323

I call that Game of Thrones syndrome. Everyone wants to be like Game of Thrones killing off major characters. Problem is that they don't make us care first nor does it shock us when it happens.

>>17324

GoT is a fucking meme. Even though I enjoyed the books Winds of Winter never ever, I almost wish they didn't exist so that we wouldn't have gotten the hack TV show, normies pretending they're into fantasy, and all the unbearable derivatives.

>>17288

There was all sorts of interesting directions they could have gone with that story. Perhaps have Mikey betray captain to the emperor for the sake of the discovery, only to then find out he had started the rebellion to end or at least reduce the empire's anti xeno behavior making him the good guy all around… and forcing Mikey to have to figure out a way to rescue him But no, it was just boring straight forward shit the whole way, they even had someone say she's even better than other versions of herself.

>>17308

Honestly, black alert's actress was pretty hot before they took away her hair relaxer.

>>17324

The thing is, Game of Thrones does this better. They didn't kill Ned Stark in the first episode.

>>17324

> Problem is that they don't make us care first nor does it shock us when it happens.

This. 100%

That's the big problem with STD, it's a serialized show but nothing memorable really happens in every episode and when something happens it's predictable. The writers keep focusing on worthless shit because it's usually a progressive theme (like the whole thing with the gay couple). The whole story and its structure suffers from one thing: Michael. It was a mistake to make a serialized show about one single character, especially one who is already "strong, smart and independent" the second she appears on screen. Because of the story focused on an already "perfect" character, none of the side characters are allowed to developp. I know it might sounds ridiculous but it's been 13 episodes and I still can't remember the names of the Discovery crew, only Burnham, Lorca, Tilly and Stamets. It's a huge difference compared to The Orville where I know every character, their ranks, how they interact with the rest of the crew, etc.

The Mirror Universe episodes served no purpose other than to get rid of the character who might have been more interesting than the main character.

Funny how Burnham was disgusted to eat a piece of MU-Saru from MU-Georgiou's hand but has no issue bringing her into the main universe.

>>17340

>The "oh shit anyone can die" thing was never at play here.

Even in GoT. If you really pay attention to who really dies, it's never the writers' favourites (Salsa, Queen Fatass, Arya are so well protected that it starts to ruin the writing).

>>17349

In GoT they pick characters to be killed off based on how much of a shock they think it will be to the viewers. Its not clever writing, or deconstructing our expectations or anything like that the fans and makers claim it to be. Its just a soap opera at this point. Shocks and twists are made, purely for the sake of keeping the ratings up by pulling shit out of the writers asses all the time.

For a show adapted from books, it has deviated from said books to a degree where its basically unrecognisable. Its a shame too, since a lot of the interesting stuff from the books has been thrown away in the process. Like the Blackfish only turning up in season 2, after his relevance to the story is over, Baristan being killed off in a back alley instead of trying to hold together Daenerys kalisar as she disapears just before the main counterattack of the slaver cities hits her army, Doran Martell being instantly killed off before revealing the entire original plot between him, the spider, Illiryo Mopastis and Viserys that was the main force driving the plot of the entire series since book 1. But fuck that noise we need Cersei nuking a holy order with no repercussions of any kind despite how painfully obvious it is that she did it and and the greyjoy's fleet of teleporting super stealth ships.

>>17340

I would say the Klingon tits were a direct result of GoT.

>>17350

Not to turn this into a GoT thread, but the show was bound to be pozzed to a large extent no matter what, but Dorne and the 3 dusty shitholes of Essos not being condensed to 1 dusty shithole probably doomed the pacing of the later seasons. Really tragic too. So many powerful events just blown through. For instance, imagine how slow-burning Sansa's rape would have went over… Also, i think they seriously goofed on some show adaptations that GRRM had planned, but were mishandled after he essentially stopped contributing to the show. For instance, I think the scene early in Season 1 of Tyrion making a saddle for Bran was forshadowing him making a saddle for Kelly C. to ride the dragons. I don't think she was ever supposed to bareback the dragons (because GRRM knew it would look retarded - and it does). I think GRRM either never told D&D or they decided to do otherwise. I think there is a lot of shit like that with the show.

>>17351

>GoT inspired the Klingon titties

as grotesque as it was, you may have a point there.

>>17349

>I know it might sounds ridiculous but it's been 13 episodes and I still can't remember the names of the Discovery crew

They have literally only mentioned the names of the other black chick and the redhead with the face implant shit once or twice in the whole series. And I'm still not sure they've ever mentioned the name of that weird frieza looking alien woman.

Well fuck this shit, we need a better series to watch. Anyone want to watch some Farscape? How about some Stargate?

>>17355

The Orville.

>>17355

There's a new /stargate/ show starting next month. It's directed by a feminist, it's her first real directing job.

>>17371

Do we want to know what its called?

>>17377

CISGate - CISBuster 1

>>17385

the ratings will be absolute shit and it will run for 8 seasons until the studio just up and runs out of money because science fiction fans are all racist sexist homophobe germophobes.

>>17371

First ST gets fucked by JJ (then feminists and faggots), then SW gets fucked by JJ, feminists and faggots, and now Stargate is going to get fucked by feminists? Seriously, is everything with "Star" in its name going to get its shit fucked?

>>17391

>This aired once

Where did everything go so wrong?

You know, the sad thing is, there are things about this show's plot that might have been kind of interesting, if they condensed it all down to a handful of episodes and aired it three seasons into a regular Trek show, with a cast I actually care about.

>>17409

Your mistake is you thought about it, I did not. STD will be forgotten in 5 years as another failed attempt at making Trek "cool". Lorca is the only good thing about the show unfortunately.

>>17298

is there a designated shitting deck?

>>17411

The poop deck.

>>17428

Stargate: Raiders of the Lost Ark

>>17428

Death to straight white men.

>>17431

This.

>>17409

>Was the idea that Micheal was thinking that Georgiou was the lesser of two evils compared to Lorca? If that was the case she fucked up royally because she still isn't the emperor? There's not a lot of evidence either way, but if anything surely Emperor Lorca was the lesser of two evils seeing as Georgiou has been seen to literally eat members of a sapiant race while Lorca seemed to actually respect Saru. At the very least he was pretending to respect him as a person in a situation were he could have gotten away with not, and probably even telling the xeno burger scum to fuck off.

Lorca was worse because he's a fucking white male.

And you should respect Georgiou's dining choices it's part of her culture.

>>17409

Also mirror-Georgiou wanted to kill her at some point because she knew Burnham wasn't from her universe. Even after that and the dining scene, Burnham somehow wants to bring mirror-Georgiou into the normal universe for no reason.

I don't understand these writing decisions or even the whole point of this show.

People compare STD to BSG but on BSG we knew the point of the show right at the beginning.

>>17390

To be honest I don't know how she got the job. She has no big credits, it doesn't make sense to give a brand to someone who has never worked on a tv show or a movie.

>>17388

I think it was designed as an anthology. The first "season" is about the young and strong Catherine Langford who fought the ebil nazis, the next one would be about something different (if the ratings and critics are positive).

>>17409

>Lorca is bad because he's from the evil universe, and has killed people, and generally been a meany

>this woman who is also from the evil universe (is the leader of the evil empire, in fact), and has also killed a lot of people, and been a very big meany, is actually okay, because their characters share a bond or something

Yeah, I'm lost too.

Maybe. MAYBE, if they follow up on this and have mirror-Georgiou remain morally ambiguous, or go full blown villain in the Federation universe, all thanks to Michael's misplaced sentimentality, we'll have something. Although that would make Michael even more of a moron, and even more of an unlikeable character. I wouldn't bet on it, but let's see where this goes.

>>17473

>make her more unlikable

It's going to happen.

>>17474

I dunno though. The writers at least want us to like her (I think). I think mirror-Gerogiou will just become good overnight, and maybe end up as the captain of the Discovery.

>>17480

But that means we wouldn't get Mary Sue Trek.

>>17480

> Mirror Sarek (what was the point of that really?)

Shit I completely forgot about that. What happened to the alliance? Did the writers forget that it was a thing?

>>17480

Two reasons.

Firstly they need to get in a reference to something the fans recognise, to keep the nostalgia drones watching.

Secondly, Michael has to be hyper competent at everything, otherwise she's not an empowered black woman. And who's hyper competent in the Star Trek universe? Well Vulcans were always portrayed as the smartest, and the nerve pinch thing can be adapted into Vulcan martial arts (was that ever mentioned before?) to make her the best fighter.

I guess we should be glad she isn't a fucking Q on top of it all.

>>17485

The writers forgot what Star Trek was.

>>17485

The rebel alliance was destroyed by the she-Emperor. MIchael was going to let them escape but the emperor killed them all.

>>17409

I'm still trying to figure out why Michael even needs a redemption arc about that, as despite everyone saying the war was her fault, the plot seems to suggest that her "shoot the fuckers first!" idea was correct and Georgiou's diplomacy plan was doomed to fail as the Klingons were going to attack anyway because they feared the federation's morals diluting their klingon-ness… which doesn't make any fucking sense in the first place as they hadn't actually had any contact with the Fed in decades, but what ever.

And I had assumed her arc was going to be that the war would slowly die down as the season progresses and the Klingons would start considering a ceasefire, but Lorica would go full Colonel Kurtz mode, and intend to sabotage things to prolong the war (and his importance to the feds), forcing Michael to stage a mutiny against him too, this time to *stop* an attack on a Klingon ship and end the war, which would bring her character full circle.

Instead we got a plot that kept wanking over their stupid spore drive shit and a mirror universe story not only killed off one of the few good characters but ruined everything interesting about him by saying "he's like that because he's actually from the evil nazi universe"

>>17584

>despite everyone saying the war was her fault, the plot seems to suggest that her "shoot the fuckers first!" idea was correct and Georgiou's diplomacy plan was doomed to fail as the Klingons were going to attack anyway because they feared the federation's morals diluting their klingon-ness

Personally it depends on whether or not you're the sort who believes the end justifies the means; but regardless that's not how the Federation works, so Michael was in the wrong according to them at least.

>>17584

> I'm still trying to figure out why Michael even needs a redemption arc about that, as despite everyone saying the war was her fault, the plot seems to suggest that her "shoot the fuckers first!" idea was correct and Georgiou's diplomacy plan was doomed to fail as the Klingons were going to attack

She fucked up her own plan of "capture Klingon jesus alive".

And because the Klingons were looking for a fight firing first wouldn't have given them more than a headstart it the fight, is that worth assulting a superior and her trusted mentor?

The idea that the Vulcans avoided a war with the klingons by attacking first whenever they eccounterd them is dumb anyway.

>>17588

>The idea that the Vulcans avoided a war with the klingons by attacking first whenever they eccounterd them is dumb anyway.

It's not any more stupid than normal start trek's idea that pure logic=pacifism. And that the vulcans manage to avoid being forced into any conflict in what has been shown to be a pretty fucking violent universe due to plot armor.

>>17588

>The idea that the Vulcans avoided a war with the klingons by attacking first whenever they eccounterd them is dumb anyway.

Completely agree, seems like Klingons would relish an opponent who's just as up for a fight as they are, never mind that if a cruiser is just cruising and suddenly gets attacked out of fucking nowhere by Vulcans that sort of shit might precipitate full scale war. On the other hand, if the Vulcans were regularly wiping the floor with the Klingons in these first strikes, contrary as it is to both races' imagery, I could maybe see them starting to keep their distance.

>>17588

>The idea that the Vulcans avoided a war with the klingons by attacking first whenever they eccounterd them is dumb anyway.

Maybe I'm mixing up the tv shows but which alien race had that tradition of showing their weapons ready to fire as a sign of respect? Was it the klingons or another race? Because I think that maybe the STD writers have misunderstood that procedure.

Okay, since this thing is probably getting a second season, and we know they're watching, here's how you save it.

Michael Burnham teams up with mirror-Georgiou, and is now a villain.

The show now focuses on the adventures of Captain Suru.

Give all of the major side characters their own episodes, and actually flesh them out more than not at all.

Make robot girl a real character, rather than set dressing, because I think she's cute.

Reveal that the real Klingons are still out there, what we've seen up to this point is some strange fringe group of hairless inbreds that normal Klingons are deeply embarrassed by.

Introduce at least two new regular cast members, including a cool womanising man's man (possibly Andorian), and a hilarious ethnic stereotype (Swedeie?)

>>17610

That's not star trek, but for the life of me I can't remember what it is, not Mass Effect is it?

>>17610

They did that in B5, with the Minbari Warrior Caste

>>17621

My bad, I thought it was from Trek. Thanks.

>>17621

And even the supreme leader of the Minbari thought it was a retarded thing to do when he heard about it.

>>17625

the really stupid thing was that somehow, humans were the only people in all of minbari history to ever react badly to that.

>>17659

>>17659

Or it could be a criticism of the military mindset in humans.

>>17659

Well humanity was just out of a war with them a few years prior and they were approaching a station that was meant to be a symbol of peace, unity, blah blah blah between the races with the gunports open, so it's not much of a shock humans might be a bit averse to it.

>>17661

The Centari were a heavily militarised race.

>>15884

>Unironically watching judge Dreddit

LOL

>>17736

>watching

>Judge Dredd

???

>>17756

>There may be a Judge Dredd television series soon

>Karl Urban would star in it for free

Didn't he once turn up on Star Trek Beyond Awful set wearing his Dredd costume?

Terran Empress Georgeau is now Captain of Ciscovery. All the white men have been killed and now the show is 100% women, gays, and ayyliums running the show. It keeps getting worse.

>>17917

You're j-just joking, r-right?

>>17844

Dredd was a legitimately good movie.

>>17928

Only because it ripped off The Raid

>>17917

You know I am going to have to watch this to see if this is true. let me grab my puke bucket first though

>>17936

there's still a presumably straight, unnamed Asian dude on the bridge crew, but other than that, yeah, it's female, gay, or alien all the way,

>Axanar got canned for this

>>17947

>Axanar got canned for this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_to_Axanar

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I just watched this and WHY did they can this?

>>17948

Cause we can't have nice things.

>>17949

>You will never see Klingon High Chancellor Tom Zarek battle Gary Graham.

Honestly, this makes me want to write that show that me and an anon did in that thread now even more.

Here we go again.

>2 minutes in

>Saru is angry at Michael, he finds out that his people also existed in that universe, says that bringing MU-Georgiou into their universe was a wrong choice

>does a 180 and says how Michael is so tough, no one could've done what she did on the Terran command ship.

>Saru puts a bracelet on Tyler because he doesn't believe in putting possibly guilty people in the brig

The Tyler storyline is so boring. The drama is so forced and unnecessary. I wish they used the old Trek way: "people can look like another alien race through surgery" and not using an alien host. The story would've been way better if Tyler never existed and it was just a klingon who was turned human.

>>17927

Only black people and asian soyboys are allowed on the ship. I'm having ME:Andromeda flashbacks

>>17935

I hate that meme.

You know what? It is Star Trek Axanar but a raped fucking edition of it.

For fags that won't know about this for whatever fucking reason, maybe you were trapped in the void or some shit like that here is a rundown of Axanar:

>Old Star Trek writers get together and want to shoot a project they've been aching to do for literally ever

>Want to cover Garth of Izar's tactical genius at the Battle of Axanar, covering the Four Years War.

>Old Trek film crew jumps aboard, even a few Star Trek actors jump in

>Decide to use crowd funding to support the production

>Produce a high quality segment

>CBS gets wind of this and cries "OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN!" citing they making shekels off their IP

>Enter into a long disputed legal shitflinging contest resulting in the project being put on hold indefinietly.

>Year later CIScovery announced

>People guessed it would be set in the time period of the Four Years War

>CBS insists it's not cause it would look they shut down Axanar for their own shit show

>Fast forward to last night it is painfully obvious this is their butchered version of the Four Years War.

>>17953

Don't forget how the "Trek community" turned against the people making Axanar, claiming that they ruined the fanfilm business (maybe by making something that isn't a group of people LARPing on the TOS set).

Officially the reason is that they used the money to build a proper soundstage that would benefit future fanfilms productions and that pissed off the people at CBS.

>>17960

I think she ate most of the CIScoverys crew.

>>17955

Weren't they taking donations to make the film? I wish it had come out, but that's a pretty stupid thing to do

>>17736

Laughing at Dredd. That's 3 months in the cubes

>>17982

the important point we should not lose track of here is fuck CBS.

>>17982

what's the recommended donation and is it less than subscribing to CBS's gay streaming service

>>17955

I actually watched Axanar when it first came out.

Whatever happened to the people who worked on it? I assume they were sued up their asses by CBS.

>>17989

The point is, when you're making unofficial fan stuff, the last thing you do is ask for money. The lawyers smell blood when money is being made.

>>17991

C&D, plus Richard Hatch died.

>>18012

Dredd was filmed before The Raid.

>>17982

>>17998

I thought it was ok to take donations but forbidden to sell the final product.

>>18019

You're still treading a fine line. Best not to poke a sleeping bear, you know?

>>18033

>What would an edgy, sci-fi series produced by Lifetime or Hallmark Channel or OWN look like? It would look like STD

God help us what the Star Wars movies made by the GoT people will look like under Disney.

Saru, who has spent years as a dependable first officer and who has proven himself by stepping up and taking command and allowed the crew to survive in unfamiliar hostile territory, gets relieved of command for an evil murderous space nazi.

Epic plot twist discovery.

>>18154

>an evil murderous space nazi.

They are called women anon.

Final episode tonight. Hopefully this show gets aborted next season.

>STD actually gave us the best depiction of Constitution Enterprise on screen.

>>18490

A wireframe? No.

>>18502

Is Scotty on the Enterprise in 2258?

>>18503

The writers will justify whatever they want with this nu-canon.

Okay wtf was that episode. It looks like they got 5 episodes cut and had to wrap everything up at once.

Also "The war with the Klingons ends because someone says 'I will destroy you all lol' ".

I hope it gets cancelled.

>>18499

Okay while this entire scene is beyond fucking stupid (Like why are they acting out like Enterprise is such a big deal, sure it is kinda important but it is no where near the level of prestige it was post-Kirk), tbf with the updated design Enterprise still looks actually alright.

So when I tried to watch this on my laptop my cat came in and tried to push the power button. I should have let him to be honest.

This was beyond underwhelming. That bit at the end with the Enterprise was beyond cringeworthy as a desperate act of fanservice.

This is getting a new season. Brace for puke buckets.