/strek/ - Star Trek

>Federation

>Race mixing

I don't think you've seen Star Trek once

Even in cases where there has been race mixing it has been heavily shunned and their retarded genetic offspring seen as outcasts

>>12769

Species mixing. Spock, Niaomi Wildman, B'lanna, Worf's wife's son Alexander, Rom and Leeta, Quark and Grilka. There is plenty of mixing in Stark Trek.

race mixing allows the combination of the best traits of each race.

it's just that some races have a lot less to contribute than others.

>>12772

Also K'Ehleyr, AKA B'Elanna done right.

>>12768

The Federation would let them be. They don't punish you for your ideals. Hell, those /pol/acks could probably finally get their own homeland on another planet like many episodes have shown people do. And the kicker is they could call people niggers all day with impunity.

>>12774

>Except that only Spock manages out the entire bunch to be portrayed in a positive light

Tell that to the Vulcans before they rezzed him…

>>12774

To be fair Alexander does sort of redeem himself, both his time-travelling version and as the ship's clown during the Dominion War

Thats what happened in the mirror universe.

>>12794

>Maybe they are pretty racist, they just hide the power level really well.

BLACK ALERT! BLACK ALERT!

>what's going on?

<you

I know that we don't live in a timeline where this is possible, but what would your face be if this idea is what STD has secretly been building up to so far?

>>12768

>How would the Federation handle /pol/ in the 24th century if they all the suddenly time travaled into the future?

Bafflement, since all these time displaced persons are trying to head to Cardassia.

>>12840

Meanwhile, the Union is baffled by the sheer amount of NeetSOC humans who want to serve their state.

>>12840

>Cardassia

Ha! Those of us who are not moronic plebeians will be headed to the Star Empire.

>>12852

…Where you will almost certainly die at the hands of the Tal Shiar. Or else become an agent against your species.

>>12840

>>12844

>/pol/ wants to hang out with the Cardassians

>Cardassians wouldn't want /pol/ around because they are human

>/pol/ returns to the federation as a bunch of insufferable cardaboos

>>12860

No, /pol/ would find a new planet and colonize that. Then they would gas each other because someone painted their house the wrong color. Imagine a Home owners association with state level powers. Also, violence would erupt the first time someone brings home a q.t. Vulcan girl and wants to have kids with her.

>It's only 1 girl!

>Not a big deal!

>>12853

We'd be treated far better on Romulus than Cardassia. The Romulans have a merit based system, talent is rewarded there. Even if all you want is to get a vinyard set up and marry a Romulan qt. After all, look how far a half-Romulan girl made it, you know, before a certain starship captain fucked things up for her.

>>12869

That's the thing, half-Romulan. Merit or no, I can't imagine they're very kind to non-Romulans.

>>12864

You sure they wouldn't just go to Ekos and have fun there? Helps that there's little to guilt the natives with.

>>12889

And yet, a Starfleet ensign defected to the Empire and was welcomed with open arms. Well, I assume he was debriefed first, but you know what I mean.

>>12869

>implying we would be wasting our lives shitposting on a betazoid holo-novel board if any of us had talent

>>12889

A Romulan guy fell in love with Tasha Yar and it secured all their fates.

All you have to do is get a Romulan qt to want to fuck you, and they seem very eager. The qt in Nemesis wanted to fuck Shinzon like nobody’s business.

>>12896

>wanting to fuck Shinzon

That… is not very good taste.

>>12908

Their relationship probably would've crashed with no survivors

>>12895

Oh yes? Are you planning the betray the Star Empire, fellow Anon?

>>12910

Well the dude was slowly liquefying from the inside. That does tend to be a wee bit of a dampener on relationships.

>>12920

Wow, that sounds extremely painful

This thread gave me a laugh.

/pol/ would likely form the Terran Empire and try to overthrow the Federation.

What would happen?

/pol/ would go onto the Federation public internet, and circlejerk and bitch about things, while accomplishing jack shit of anything.

So, the exact same thing they do here.

>>16621

I'm completely convinced that /pol/acks in the Federation would jack off to the idea of forming the Human Imperium and Xyklon-ing all the non humans they don't like. But it wouldn't be more than shitposting. You'd probably get banned from their subspace boards for suggesting that you actually work towards that goal in any way other than spreading memes that nobody really pays attention to.

>>16630

Probably this. More /pol/-leaning trekkers might fap to the fantasy of the Fed(eration) kicking down their doors then dragging them off to summer camp in New Zealand for brainwashing, but in reality they'd just become bitter ignored shutins.

>>12772

list of race mixing accomplishments:

Spock: single handily genocided the race he was trying to help.

Niaomi Wildman: Nothing but a drain on the ships resources because starfleet allowed pregnant women into combat situations.

B'lanna: Nothing but a problem the entire journey and did nothing the more qualified engineer that was lined up could have done. Was only made chief engineer because of "diversity".

Worf's wife's son Alexander: Nothing but a fuckup his entire life and the greatest thing he ever did was die in a video game as a minor plot point.

Rom and Leeta: Leeta is nothing but a whore and Rom failed to prevent the deactivation of the minefield resulting in countless federation casualties.

Quark and Grilka: No actual race mixing occured.

O'Brien and Angry chink woman: nothing really needs to be said.

>>16745

>>16738

Oh, I wouldn't say that. There are many signs that the Federation is starting to fall apart, just like ours, and we all know what happens when pseudo-communist libshit societies fall apart.

>>16794

It would be STD on steroids if it was post Dominion war.

>>16800

>mikey burn'em puts on her little mutiny

>society celebrates her for being a strong independent brave wombyn of woc

>tribunal gives her a ship

>entire series about her fucking up and wrecking the civilization as more and more deranged fed citizens wildly cheer her while eating tide pods or some other suicidally dumb shit

>>16794

Nah cmon, and your posting a character from ENT, have you forgotten about Daniels? He clearly came from a society descended from the Federation as we know it.

>>16794

Nah cmon, and youre posting a character from ENT, have you forgotten about Daniels? He clearly came from a society descended from the Federation as we know it.>>16794

>>16839

>:(

a society from 2900 or so. basically, the federation has time to collapse and re-coalesce into something functional and similar to a working federation.

>>16746

>diversity

Ah, no. Because she was the closest thing they had left after the entry.

>>16839

>Daniels

I stopped watching regularly when Trek got this shitty. Is that name some kind of joke like "Agent Smith" in The Matrix?

>>16794

to be fair, with all the timeline shenanigans ENT is technically post-dominion

>>16784

I imagine post-dominion federation winding up like a time-delay version of what happened in the mirror universe:

>The federation's idealistic naivete rots the system from within

>Romulans, Klingons, and Cardies team up against the weakened federation

>federation collapses

>Entire federation population becomes the maquis and has to fight a guerrilla war

>The last semblance of federation government is section 31, which is little more than a resistance movement

>40 years of enslavement

>Voyager shows up because the bullshit finale never happened and they only managed to take off a few decades of travel time

>Crew became maquis to survive, not the other way around because it followed the original premise instead of turning into TNG.

>Holodoc is now ECH because Janeway got herself and half the crew killed because of her bullshit

>Spurs on a new resistance movement

>Holodoc founds a new federation with an actual military (like that one episode in season 2 TNG)

>Holodoc becomes immortal emperor of the Terran empire

>>17007

>Romulans, Klingons, and Cardies team up against the weakened federation

It wasn't just the Federation that was weakened after the war. It was implied that everyone suffered heavy losses. And Cardassia was completely fucked over… they'd be lucky not to be conquered themselves, at this point.

>>17010

So Klingons and Feds went through almost the entire war in the losing side, Cardassians ended up getting absolutely fucked by the end of the war and have to rely on federation diplomacy bullshit not to get conquered by anyone elses. The only ones who didn't get their shit kicked in too hard were the Romulans, right?

Also I wonder how would've the Dominion fared with losing the war. Who knows what dumb treaty did the feds make them sign.

>>17011

Dominion won't be so bothered. They control the Gamma Quadrant. The Alpha Quadrant powers were scarcely able to deal with a small fraction of the Dominion's might. I doubt they would push it.

>>17011

The worst thing that happened to the Dominion was that they failed to gain new ground. Barring the 2800 that the Prophets Deus Ex Wormhole'd, all of the ships that they lost in the war were produced using infrastructure in the Alpha Quadrant. The only real lasting damage was the one (1) changeling bitch that stayed behind as part of the treaty.

>>17013

Dominion ensured that nobody from Alpha Quadrant would ever enter the Gamma Quadrant again.

Only two powers that were meant to have any real strength to project their influence post Dominion War was the Federation and Romulans and that was established during DS9. Klingons were still around but mainly rebuilding due to consecutive wars and also being at one point the only force fighting the Dominion. They were shaping things up a post DS9 situation where Federation and Romulans would be locking horns.

>>17011

>The only ones who didn't get their shit kicked in too hard were the Romulans, right?

Considering they were the last Alpha Quadrant power to join in, it would seem that way.

>>17021

Dammit, I wish we'd get a post-Dominion series with this scenario. Out of all the major (AlphaQdt.)powers, the Romulans have seen the least amount of time in the spotlight.

>>17057

Well Romulans are technically Beta Quadrant. A post-Dominion War scenario would see the Federation getting it's shit absolutely pushed in by pretty much everybody with the very real threat of the Romulans trying to take territory.

This was the setup post-Dominion War from the Federation's point of view.

>Dominion are going to stay on their side of the wormhole

>Amicable relationship with the Ferengi

>Klingon leadership is very stable and pro Federation

These are the only positives.

<Your fleets have been worn down heavily and you have to rebuild several of your own worlds. You don't have the forces to effectively police the Federation.

<Romulans "Liberated" several of your worlds and are not really eager to give them back. Romulans are also in a very strong position and their fleets are not depleted.

<Klingons are exhausted in resources and manpower, they need time to recover and also rebuild due to monumental reshuffle of political power. In short can't call on them for support

<You've got the Cardassian Union to help rebuild and police, essentially a massive lawless zone loaded with military tech. In short a breeding ground for pirates.

<The Maquis will likely resurface with a vengence and hold a heavy grudge for letting them be wiped out. Will make piracy worse.

<Population is very weary, likely not support another war so soon. If Federation enters a conflict so soon it could easily fracture the Federation.

<You are surrounded by multiple regional and minor powers who are more than happy to try their luck at annexing your territory knowning fine well that if everyone tries it at once you can't mount an effective response. Essentially groups like Son'a are out to take advantage of the situation.

<The Breen revealed themselves and the legends about them are true. They are very formidable and not on the best of terms with you. They are on par with Romulans in terms of threat having been a late joiner in the Dominion War.

In short the Federation would be in the absolute shit post Dominion War and sort of like the Imperium of Man in 40k; crippled and surrounded by hostiles in all sides constantly attacking them.

It has to contend with two major hostile powers; Romulans and Breen with the Romulans already having annexed their territory in the Dominion War and not exactly willing to give it back.

It is surrounded by several regional powers like the Tzenkethi, Tholians and Talarians who no doubt will probe the Federation to see what they can get away with.

It has a lot of infrastructure to rebuild itself as well as helping Cardassians get back on their feet.

It's fleets are in ruins so it can't effectively police it's territory which will give rise to pirates and it won't be facing likes of refitted shuttles. Think more salvaged Galor's among other warships that have been left adrift during the Dominion War.

It has no allies that can really support it in a military campaign except maybe the Ferengi who would likely only provide logistical support.

The Federation is FUCKED!

>>17060

>Klingons are crippled and can't help

Wasn't it said during TNG that the only thing stopping the Alpha Quadrant from turning into a warzone was the Federation-Klingon Alliance?

So even with a full strength Federation they could never hope to keep the peace without the help of the Klingons?

Also wasn't it said during DS9 that the Dominion always think long term and are fully prepared to sign a peace treaty and make short term losses so they can come back and absolutely curb stomp everyone later down the road?

Holy shit this scenario makes me horny thinking about it. The Federation would be fighting for it's very existence harder than when it was at war with the Dominion. All the Dominion would have to do is wait a decade for the Federation to collapse or at least become crippled from external pressures and come roaring back in and this time there will be nothing to stop them

>>12768

They put us all in prison.

But you know what the funniest and best thing is? The Federation ISN'T run by Antifa. At worst, its run by Old School Communists at worse, 90s America at best. So they aren't anti-white or pro-white genocide. They legitimately do enforce equality laws and such. so a good chunk of /pol/ would just enjoy the good faith equality and fuck off and do whatever.

>>17061

I actually forgot that point about the Dominion and it's a very good point. Yes the peace treaty with the Dominion could be constituted as a temporary cease-fire. They are very happy to fall back, rebuild and come back stronger than ever. Dominion never think about short term gains they only think what position they will be in decades if not centuries from now. They have patience beyond measure so it would not be uncharacteristic of them when the Federation is at a far more vulnerable state to come roaring out that wormhole once more with a vengence.

So the threat of the Dominion is very much still there and they are happy for payback after they've licked their wounds.

>>17060

Don't forget

>Abrams blows up a star and it threatens the whole galaxy

>A fucking supernova eats Romulus from several lightyears away

I mean it gives you motivation for the Federation and Romulans to fight after being sort of amicable, but the disaster itself is retarded. They could have went with some sort of subspace disaster or vacuum decay, but it doesn't matter anyway since it was done for a retarded time travel reboot.

>>17065

>The fucking Hobus Supernova

You know when you factor in the Dominion that fucks up the entire Alpha Quadrant more than it does Romulans since without the Romulans there would no stopping a Dominion return.

>>17063

The Dominion is done. The Founders will be lucky if they arent blasted into tiny drops of changeling goo by the gamma quadrant inhabitants. Realize theyve been power tripping "gods" this whole time. Their army of Vorta and Jem Hadar have been unbeatable. Once the Federation goes full "exploration" mode into the gamma quadrant and former Dominion territory, theyll be given heros welcome as the god slayers. No species besides Vorta or Jem hadar will still support Founder rule since theyve been utter dicks. The quickening was cured so biological threat is no more an issue, especially since the Federation wont allow it. Within 50 years the Dominion will be a forgotten threat and the Jem Hadar likely cured from their white addiction thus no army for the changelings. There will be several gamma species that will be holding major grudges against the founders.

>>17109

>be white male

>join starfleet

>wew! what a diverse utopia, lucky there's no racism or sexism anymore!

>get assigned to an affirmative action ship with affirmative action captain

>woman looses ship, destroys method to get home

>woman promotes another woman whose literally a criminal and a starfleet dropout over you when your next in line in engineering, no chance for another promotion until the ship get's back if ever

>get sent on some menial mission to some stupid planet nobody cares about instead of running engineering

>die

>>17109

Better theory:

the majority of Voyager's Engineering crew died, and so the majority of the engineering crew they did have were Maquis

>>17107

the Dominion was outproducing and out industrializing the Federation, Romulans and Klingons combined with the equivalent of an expeditionary force and the beaten scraps of a regional power weaker than any of those three. They pushed to Cardassia because they were scared that had the ceasefire happened and held for 3 years, the Alpha Quadrant Dominion would have crushed them all.

The Federation isn't doing shit to the Dominion on their home turf.

>>17010

>Conquering Cardassia.

I'd watch that.

>>17439

Do you think the /k/ommandos would mistake the Borg for emissaries of the Murderkube, or would they be sent into a mad frenzy for thinking that the Borg are committing heresy against the Murderkube?

>>17439

>/k/olony on the edge of federation space?

Isn't that what the Maquis was?

>>17440

The borg collectivists, this angers the /k/ommando. They'd probably have a higher priority on the target list than the Federation. I can see them trying to reverse engineer Borg technology, and the lengthy discussions that would come from the attempt to weaponize Omega Particles.

>>17441

I think that the Maquis were more farmers and craftsmen forced into a terrorist campaign when the Federation tried to give away their homes without their agreement. I think that /k/ would probably have conducted their campaign against the Federation and Cardassia a little more efficiently as well.

>>17444

As Trilithium Resin is apparently a by-product of human warp engines any of their starship captains could have held the Federation to ransom with the threat of destroying either DS:9, or any other federation world. Accepting Star Fleet officers makes sense from one perspective, but Star Fleet isn't exactly the most intelligent military outfit in existence.

>>17447

Maquis got all the intelligent Starfleet officers :^)

>>17448

That's still picking the smartest kid on the short bus though.

>>17452

Well considering that the Enterprise routinely gets taken over by schoolchildren nobody could be surprised that a bunch of farmers could take on the Federation and win. Hell at Starfleet Academy the most capable combat officer there was the gardener.

>>17454

Do you think that everyone else is just playing with Star Fleet? As in Tal-Shiar Agents infiltrated the Fed government as soon as it was set up, took a look around, and decided it would be more entertaining to muck about with them rather than just subvert them; leading to them sending a message to the Klingons that they could dust off their Kahless cosplay kit and LARP as their 8th century ancestors, but with spaceships. Because when we look at Star Fleets combat records at least, without the plot armour they don't seem to be up to much.

The Species playing with humanity could even have put some of the more embarrassing/unconvincing aliens out in the Alpha Quadrant to give the humans something to poke at and as an encouragement for them to continue to play their part in the game. It would also explain the switch from OS Klingons and TNG onwards Klingons - It took time to convince the Klingons to put down the opera and come out to play, and the Tal Shiar wanted to test Star Fleets response to something at least approximating them. The Vulcans let it happen because they are the true military power in the Federation (and can ensure that nothing gets too badly out of hand), and even the most logical of species wants to sit down in front of their viewscreens and watch some cringe every now and then.

>>17467

Well were you ever forced to play with the retarded kid out of pity?

>>17475

Yes, and that could be the Romulans motive; but I believe that the general characteristics that Romulans tend to show would suggest that pity is not likely to be what's driving them to mess with the new kid. Then again, if I'm correct every non-fed species would be putting on a show - the Romulans could be incredibly chill and friendly people who are just acting like emotionless cunts to keep up the illusion. Similarly in this theory the Klingons could well be a peaceful and harmonious society of artists, poets, and playwrights who are play acting at the whole 'muh honrar, muh Stovokur, muh warriiar, raaaaagh!' thing.

>>17522

>Clearly the entire Federation is a holodeck program writen by Dukat for amusement.

How would that account for his treatment towards the end of DS9? Was he experimenting with masochism? If nothing else I'd imagine that Dukats personal holosuite programs would look a little more like this.

http://tv.adult-fanfiction.org/story.php?no=600099308

>>17531

I thought the final episode was just butthurt writers turning Sisko into 'literally space Jesus' in order to defeat Dukats 'literally space satan'.

>>17546

DS9 is just proto-BSG and defending DS9 is defending BSG. Also, Babylon 5 was better.

>>17492

Except the Vulcans are just the puppet of the vast over reaching pallets empire.

>>17811

Fuck me running….

I meant Pakleds

>>17812

>Implying that the Pakleds aren't a catspaw for the New Essentialists,

>>12768

This reminds me of an episode of Enterprise, I can't remember which one but it was about a Human group revolting against the Federation because of mixed children being produced under Federation funding.

>>17817

>Enterprise

>Federation

What?