/strek/ - Star Trek ★

>>11404 (OP)

Fun fact: the actress who played Keiko is married to the guy who voiced Kain in the Legacy of Kain series.

Irishmen are meant to have terrible wives. Why do you think they drink so much?

>>11414

O'Brien's suffering is a little understated. DS9 is a goddamned clusterfuck of awful ancient Cardie technology, ramshackled together with Federation tech in a constant state of failure and self-destructive incompatibility. This was probably even by design, because the Cardassians were such dicks that they probably littered the whole place with intentional faults and failure points just so the place would never be fully usable by anyone who took it over after them.

…And O'Brien kept that shit running for 7 fucking years, with nothing but a couple of Ferengi retards for helpers.

>>11439

What about Jake?

Keiko was one of the few ST characters that I consistently disliked, the others being Kes (way too smug), Rom (too JarJar Binks), and literally everyone in Discovery except for that cute robot-looking chick who hasn't spoken yet.

>>11454

Is O'Brien the most virtuous character in all of Star Trek?

Keiko was the Federation's secret weapon in case of Dominion invasion.

>>11470

Aye, because no Changeling could possibly turn into her and fully emulate her bitchiness.

>>11459

I remember reading an interview where they talked about using characters like Miles O'Brien to have some real, grounded humanity in the series after every character on the main TNG cast came out looking God-like and infallible. This manifested with them making him suffer in every possible way, but because he wasn't some high and mighty paragon of enlightenment and willpower, it made his character far more admirable and likable.

>>11404 (OP)

Fuck Cake-O!

>>11404 (OP)

Nope, she was alright. She had an actual career and wanted to do it.

>>11439

>Ferengi retards for helpers.

Nog had little education but experience. And yet, he did quite well.

>>11414

STD should have been about the Chief in one of those wars.

>>11505

That would probably have been a bit too grim for strek.

>>11487

>abloo abloo i grow plants in a post-materialistic society, totally a career

>modern trek

>o’brien gets accused of rape by the cardassian engineer lady

>keiko turns on him, publicly damns him

>wife testimony seals his fate

>he is killed and resurrected endlessly

>at the end of the hour Odo proves he’s innocent

>goes back to living with keiko

>>11511

Yeah botany seems tricky in the TNG and DS9 portrayal. Technically you have food replicators, though there are more than a few hints that real non replicated food from non replicated ingredients still tastes better. But that didn't get explored further until meh Voyager. There might be an opportunity for world building if botany was treated as part of say terraforming and colonization efforts. But it seemed to be shown in the series as one of the low priority divisions in their timeline.

>>11512

>modern trek

>o’brien gets accused of rape by the cardassian engineer lady

Don't forget

>The writers constantly tweets "we're just trying to start a conversation!"

>When some viewers correctly pointed out the rape accusation was not only false but came after Obrien turned down her advances. Those viewers are accused of victim blaming.

>>11515

>it seemed to be shown in the series as one of the low priority divisions

From what I could see in DS:9 it was basically Keikos hobby, that she treated like a real job that mattered.

>>11517

>From what I could see in DS:9 it was basically Keikos hobby, that she treated like a real job that mattered.

Yeah it's a bit fucked up. Botany could be treated as a serious thing. NASA wants plants in space. Terraforming can involve botany. Astrobotany, xenobotany, the possibilities of treating it as a serious thing is there imo. But even if the show does that, would the character still treat botany as if she's the manager of a flowershop in a galactic cruise ship or formerly cardie military space station.

>>11515

>When some viewers correctly pointed out the rape accusation was not only false but came after Obrien turned down her advances. Those viewers are accused of victim blaming

You mean kinda like how Ira reacts to people pointing out causality rate flaws with the Bajoran Occupation?

>>11523

>You mean kinda like how Ira reacts to people pointing out causality rate flaws with the Bajoran Occupation?

Is his vagina still sandy about that.

>Be Mirror O'Brien

>Work each day as a slave in ore processing trying to stop shit from exploding or being executed

>Get bullied by other Terrans, keep getting called Smiley a name you hate

>Eventually get dragged forcefully along into a Terran rebellion that you never asked for

>Spend every day fighting against tyranny and for your very survival

>Eventually become a leadership figure in the Terran Rebellion as one of the few rational people in a universe full of hotheads

>Suddenly under constant pressure to not just keep yourself alive but everyone around you

>Still at least not married to Keiko

>>11523

You mean someone actually brought that up to him?

>>11552

Not to detract from the shitposting, but typically disease kills more people than war. The 1918 influenza epidemic easily killed more people than World War I

>>11559

Yes, but that was an epidemic. We're talking typical rates in a first world country with first world healthcare and first world sanitation.

>>11519

Pretty much, you've got exploratory missions bringing back xenoflora samples on a daily basis (before the dominion war at least) and Bajor going through pretty much constant agricultural crises - both things that could use a botanists skill - and Keiko just starts building a glorified flower garden on DS:9.

>>11559

Oh yeah, epidemics and plagues are very scary things indeed. But the mortality rate of the Cardassian Occupation of Bajor (15 million total deaths claimed, from a population of approximately 3.8 billion, over a span of 50 years) gives us a lower death rate than a simple, standard issue, non-epidemic, respiratory infection in a first world nation regularly praised for the quality of its healthcare.

Running those numbers the Cardassian occupation killed 7.89 Bajorans per 100'000 every year. Kiras claim that every Bajoran survivor knew someone who had been killed is clearly exaggerated (unless Bajoran society was more close knit and integrated than seems possible, especially given the highly rural population of the world). We're never given a precise breakdown of the 15 million figure, so we don't know how many of those were killed by Bajoran terrorist activity, or the food/medication shortages caused by Bajorans targeting the storage/production facilities as part of their terror campaign against their Cardassian conquerors.

We know, at least, that these figures won't have been bloated by battle casualties during the initial invasion

>"How can there be war crimes when there hasn't been a war? I can understand your wish that there had been a war, your need to indulge some pathetic fantasy of Bajoran soldiers marching to honourable defeat, but in fact you and I know Major there was no war, no glory. Bajor didn't resist, it surrendered."

While that may seem like an exaggerated statement, but consider that Kira doesn't correct or challenge it in any way.

>>11629

If you consider the death toll was only from direct actions of Cardassian (skirmishes, concentration camps), living in modern Brazil would still be significantly more dangerous than the occupation. My theory is that Bajorans consider being a productive member of the society a form of induced atrocity.

>>11628

>and Bajor going through pretty much constant agricultural crises - both things that could use a botanists skill - and Keiko just starts building a glorified flower garden on DS:9.

If DS9 is a futuristic version of a frontier re-settling type of story, a Western basically. With O'Brien as the guy the Feds sent because he's the type of nuts and bolts meat and potatoes just FUCKING FIXIT NO MATTER WHAT kind of guy. The type of people you need around to keep a formerly Cardie space fort and transport hub running. Keiko would be that character who thinks opening a school to teach the native ridgenose children the finer points of table setting in high society 19th century Earth is just as important.

>Keiko, some of these kids would be lucky to have 3 bajoran potatoes a day this week, between the bad seismic events interfering with the yields, the questionable governance and the military tensions right now I doubt having 3 types of salad forks is important to the-

<THIS IS IMPORTANT MILES WHY WON'T YOU SUPPORT ME

>>11635

>Bajorans consider being a productive member of the society a form of induced atrocity

I'm pretty sure they've got a message from the wormhole aliens they interpret as a prophecy telling them that becoming a productive member of society is Superoppressionrapemurderabuse.

>>11638

She even starts a pissing match with the local religious leaders.

>>11641

The wormhole aliens are a bunch of sheltered babbies that quite literally live outside normal time and space. They are sheltered spoiled brats. Of course they think hard work is bad. They don't have to lift a finger. This shit has gone to their heads and they think they are some kind of authority. "Oh noes! Orange creature wants to make a profit! Devolve it because profit is stupid!" Fuck those wormhole aliens.

>>11638

Schools actually are important for occupying powers.

Its not about actually teaching them anything, thats secondary. Its mostly about keeping an eye on what propaganda and ideals the kids are growing up on.

>>11635

It had a super rigid caste system before, one so bad that it forbade their membership into the Federation.

>>11489

Nog and Rom were actually good engineers, but they were more bumbling liabilities for most episodes that focused on them. I don't hate them, but I can't pretend that they didn't cause more problems than not for O'Brien

>>11642

Worf did nothing right.

>>11657

And he still ended up as Emperor of the Klingons

>>11660

Sorry. Chancellor, because Clone Klingon Jesus is Emperor.

>>11649

What if the Cardassian "Occupation" was a Federation ploy to get a third party to destablize the caste system of the Bajorans so that it would pave the way for Bajoran membership to the Federation?

>>11647

>Schools actually are important for occupying powers.

>Its not about actually teaching them anything, thats secondary. Its mostly about keeping an eye on what propaganda and ideals the kids are growing up on.

That's a true point. Hmm, thinking about the episodes I might have to review it closer to see if I need to revise my impression on whether the character was trying to teach some practical things as well. I thought the big stink that got kicked off was over the "calling wormhole aliens vs calling them The Prophets", Keiko was not in the wrong if she was trying to say it in the scientific context.

It's been a while but heh, I completely forgot another episode.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Keiko_O%27Brien

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Time%27s_Orphan_(episode)

>Keiko had to deal with the loss of Molly who, while on a picnic on Golana, fell through a time portal three hundred years into the past. Molly returned as an eighteen-year-old who had grown up in a prehistoric era and could not adjust to the modern era. After attempts to rehabilitate her failed, Keiko and Miles let Molly return through the portal, where the older Molly found her younger self and returned young Molly to her parents. (DS9: "Time's Orphan")

That was a weird episode.

>>11662

That'd be some Section31 level cloak and dagger. Then again it's not completely implausible, the official story is of course the Feds just wants to help the Bajorans, and have them join into Club Fed. The more cynical take is the strategic value of the stable wormhole is what the Feds or at least section 31 really wants.

>>11664

>Keiko was not in the wrong if she was trying to say it in the scientific context.

Keiko was being a cunt. There is such a thing as age appropriate teaching. You don’t need to do lessons on prolapsed anuses with elementary schoolchildren, you can hold off on telling them the Prophets are called Wormhole Aliens.

The Federation just wanted to fedora tip.

>>11673

>Keiko was being a cunt. There is such a thing as age appropriate teaching.

Hmm, there might be a complication on that one unless my memory is wrong. The class she was teaching was mixed age wasn't it? Closer to a one room schoolhouse type of deal. The oldest kids was Jake and Nog, but there might have been younger ones. Jake and Nog can understand the different context, while much younger ones might not understand yet.

>You don’t need to do lessons on prolapsed anuses with elementary schoolchildren, you can hold off on telling them the Prophets are called Wormhole Aliens.

But prolapsed anuses are great scientific analogy to the wormhole itself. :^) Yes I keeed.

>The Federation just wanted to fedora tip.

For all the shit that the Feds have encountered throughout the galaxies, weird anomalies and basically godlike beings. It really does hang on to the fedora way too hard at times.

>>11693

>Wouldn't that mean Section 31 were aware of the stable wormhole before it was officially discovered? I'm not saying that's impossible, but it's a story I would love to see.

Yeah it's definitely not impossible. The only story concern would be making section 31 too powerful and 31 steps ahead of everyone. That shit can get boring fast. But space CIA level with network of spies that rivals the rest of the factions like tal shiar obsidian order etc. Yeah gimme a bit more of that cloak and dagger storylines.

>>11694

Still maintain DS9 missed out a golden opportunity to have Garak take on Section 31.

I kinda don’t like Section 31. Not because I dislike the idea that the Federation does questionable shit, but because they were too powerful and effective.

The Federation having a secret police that can BTFO the Tal Shiar or Obsidian Order is just not very believable.

>>11705

>The Federation having a secret police that can BTFO the Tal Shiar or Obsidian Order is just not very believable.

I always thought that was the point of Section 31

>Civilised people sleep softly in their beds at night only because they know that rough men stand ready to visit violence upon those who would harm them.

Star Fleet, and the Federation in general, are only non ridiculous if there is an underhanded space CIA doing the job of the Obsidian Order for them while also protecting them from the underhanded bastards working for the other powers in the sector.

>>11680

>The class she was teaching was mixed age wasn't it?

Not only mixed age, but also mixed species. Only the Bajoran students would give a shit about whether they were called prophets or aliens.

>>11711

IMO it doesn’t work that way. “Open” societies have historically awful intelligence services. The CIA is barely competent.

>Civilised people sleep softly in their beds at night only because they know that rough men stand ready to visit violence upon those who would harm them

I don’t put much stock in this quote. It is generally the justification for lobbing cruise missiles at tents while beaners flood over the border.

>>11714

It had a bit more stock 50+ years ago, not so much now. Even so, your modern interpretation of the quote would still be quite in line with what we see the Feds doing on air. And keep in mind, we also only see Section 31 really coming into its own after both the Obsidian Order and the Tal Shiar were simultaneously ruined. In the OO's case rather permanently by the looks of it. Any event, Klingon Intelligence seems to be rather limited out of the other competition, so S31 gets a freer hand after that.

>>11714

>“Open” societies have historically awful intelligence services

Because the Federation is an "Open" society.

>The CIA is barely competent.

Didn't stop them setting up literal RWDS in El Salvador, or aiding/creating hard right governments all over South America (most likely strengthening the modern left in these countries for decades to come), training 3rd world dictators pet psychopaths in the finer side of torture, Warrant/charge-less arrests and imprisonment (i.e. illegal state sponsored abduction and confinement), conducted illegal human experimentation (Church Committee, Rockefeller Commission), carried out international campaigns of assassination since the end of WW2, and christ knows what else that hasn't been declassified/leaked yet.

Consider what would happen to Star Fleet and the Feddies without something like S31 working for them. How long would it be before the entire Federation Counsel was subverted by the Tal Shiar?

>>11728

>Klingon Intelligence seems to be rather limited

<I AM GORKON, SON OF TOQ, OF THE HOUSE OF MAKOK, SERVING THE EMPIRE WITHIN THE RANKS OF THE KLINGON IMPERIAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY!

<I MEAN THAT I AM A COMPLETELY UNREMARKABLE ANDORIAN GRAIN TRADER.

<NOTE HOW MY SKIN IS PAINTED BLUE.

<SAY, FELLOW HONOURLESS MERCHANTS, HAVE YOU HEARD ANY MILITARY SECRETS LATELY?

Yeah, the Klingons are kinda out of their depth in anything that doesn't involve a Bat'leth or a disruptor

>>11730

Klingons find espionage dishonruble although seem to weirldy be very well informed most of the time about things going on in galactic affairs as well internal politic of other powers

>>11731

To be entirely fair to the Klingons, while they may suck at infiltration, can you imagine anyone being better at interrogation? The process might not be as elegant as the Tal Shiar, or as cold as the Obsidian Order, but it would definitely work.

>>11731

>>11733

>Klingons suck at infiltration

Ah, but you forget: without those tribbles on K-7, Sherman's Planet would have literally starved to death. The Klingon's mission went off without a hitch until that moment. And then there's how well General Chang pulled off his subterfuge in ST6. Klingons can do subtlety, and arguably are all the more dangerous for that fact not being common knowledge.

>>11733

>Those guys with the cloaking ships and shit sure must suck at sneaking into places…

I also doubt they'd be particularly good at torture. Its not exactly honourable to gouge a defenceless prisoners eyes out after all.

The real trick to klingon intelligence work though, is to understand the klingon concept of honour. For example, they have assassins, corrupt politics, backstabbing and cloaking devices on all their warships **or nearly all* and consider civilians perfectly acceptable targets.

This would seem to suggest they likely don't consider sneaking up on an unsuspecting enemy, lying and such dishonourable.

It seems that the klingon concept of honour, if anything, has more in common with the likes of IRL pragmatic warrior societies where victory at any cost and loyalty are just about the only virtues you had to live up to.

>>11742 continued

Forgot to point out, in practical terms, torture is a highly ineffecient means of gathering intelligence, since a skilled torturer can make a victim say anything, and theres no easy way to tell the difference between someone who is still holding out and feeding your false in formation, and someone who will say anything to make you stop.

>>11744

>>11742

I was thinking more intimidation than torture, although that probably shares many of the same problems.

>>11714

>“Open” societies have historically awful intelligence services.

not to start an argument, but there are some exceptions to that rule. MI6 was a powerhouse during WW2, while the Abwehr was a joke.

also the CIA is pretty decent at what it does, the problem is "what is does" is not "what it should be doing."

>>11747

>not to start an argument, but there are some exceptions to that rule. MI6 was a powerhouse during WW2, while the Abwehr was a joke.

The Germans were honorable. MI6 and the OSS were communist sympathizing orgs with ties to the NKVD.

>also the CIA is pretty decent at what it does, the problem is "what is does" is not "what it should be doing."

The CIA is full of retards. They wanted to use a goddamn umbrella to kill Castro. The KGB ran circles around them.

>>11766

>The Germans were honorable. MI6 and the OSS were communist sympathizing orgs with ties to the NKVD.

Irrelevant. Honor does not mean effective.

Incidentally, I love how the designated Keiko Hate Thread became an appraisal and discussion of intelligence agencies fictional and real.

>>11767

You should wait till it devolves into burger posting.

>>11767

>Honor does not mean effective

They were not a closed society is my point. They were a healthy society which sought to be free of the Jew.

>Incidentally, I love how the designated Keiko Hate Thread became an appraisal and discussion of intelligence agencies fictional and real.

I think we all agree Keiko is horrible.

>>11766

>The Germans were honorable. MI6 and the OSS were communist sympathizing orgs with ties to the NKVD.

Yeah, and? That's like saying the Dominion are bad spies because they'll nuke your civilization the moment you politely tell them they are a little out of line. They're assholes, but that won't stop them from doing a number on you behind the scenes. The Klinks found that out the hard way.

>The CIA is full of retards. They wanted to use a goddamn umbrella to kill Castro. The KGB ran circles around them.

The CIA's pretty bad when it comes to protecting the US, that's pretty obvious, but it's quite effective when it wants to do something actively harmful to it or at least out of pure self-interest.

>>11767

>Incidentally, I love how the designated Keiko Hate Thread became an appraisal and discussion of intelligence agencies fictional and real.

Outside of writing haikus about how much Keiko sucks, there's only so much you can say when you have a despicable character like that. Or someone similar like, say, Wesley. Wonder if Rosalind is as much of a bitch in real life as her fictional counterpart was, given the co-relation between Wil and Wesley.

>>11766

Germans were retarded you mean?

>>11806

Worth noting is that the current Russian intelligence service killed a man by sticking him with a pollonium-tipped umbrella. Not nearly as silly as it sounds.

>>11806

>maybe they have old grudges that flare up from time to time to keep Sec31 not too boringly overpowered story wise

Have it actively encouraged by S31 command. Have them slowly give each cell the impression that other S31 cells around them are suspect, or even potentially rogue, and have them start to investigate each other. Have Sloane or his bosses talk about how that 'helps keep them sharp' or something similar.

>>11844

I don’t think the actress is actually a bitch. Kain wouldn’t be married to her.

>>11844

>Body of an ugly 12 year old

>Literally Keiko

>There is no excuse

>>11866

>Body of an ugly 12 year old

Either your hate has blinded you, or you've seen some twelve year olds that are ridiculously curvy for their age.

>>11880

On a chan no woman rates above a 3, but an obvious boy in a wig is 14/10 OMIGAWD BOIPUCCI

>>11880

>Either your hate has blinded you

Are you trying to imply that there is such a thing as 'too much hate for Keiko'? That doesn't make any kind of sense and you know it.

>>11886

The two are not mutually exclusive.

>>11892

Keep telling yourself that

>>11731

>(Klingons) seem to weirldy be very well informed most of the time about things going on in galactic affairs as well internal politic of other powers

Maybe it's less about intelligence gathering and more about the Klingons just assuming that everyone is going to act according to character.

>You know the Federation is going to meddle while pretending to keep their hands clean.

>You know the Cardassians are going to want to keep to themselves and just try to run their authoritarian society as efficiently as they can.

>You know the Romulans are going to do everything they can to be underhanded, manipulative, bastards on every level possible.

>You know the Vulcans are going to make Starfleet do all the heavy lifting so they can sit in their temples and jerk off about how logical they are.

>You know the Orion Syndicate are going to run organised crime everywhere and make a shit load of money.

>You also know, as a Klingon, that they're all out to get you, and that they don't have the balls to run at you bellowing as they wave a sharp piece of metal.

I think Klingons as dumb warriors is largely subverted by the shows. In TOS they were quite underhanded, to the point they doctored a Klingon to appear human to poison grain.

Klingons obviously have good engineers and good spies. I think they carefully keep these two groups out of sight of aliens so they see the Klingons as brutish and dumb, when in fact they always have advanced ships and seem to be pretty good at knowing what’s going on in the quadrant.

>>11766

>The CIA is full of retards. They wanted to use a goddamn umbrella to kill Castro

If they were serious about being pissy with a Communist Cuba, they would have invaded and reinstalled a puppet regime.

>>11945

Yes, its excellent propaganda. They have merchants as well, that aren't bullied too hard or often, and they have the concept of civilians.

>>11948

>If they were serious about being pissy with a Communist Cuba, they would have invaded and reinstalled a puppet regime

There was the Bay Of Pigs, but Kennedy called that off. Didn't win him friends with the Cuban anti-communists in Florida nor the CIA. Actually Kennedy was really good at making people upset in retrospect, those two groups were one of many. One of those many might have done something about it, too.

>>11975

>but Kennedy called that off.

No, he didn’t. He let it go ahead and it was a massive failure. The CIA went on old reconnaissance data and made the amphibious landing at the site of a naval base. It was a massive disaster.

>>11977

Kennedy let it go ahead with some changes to the plan, like landing in an out of the way place instead of in trinidad, which meant that the nearest mountains, which where supposed to be a fallback position from where the troops could fight a guerilla campaign, where over 80 miles away through swarmps, instead of right next to the landing area.

Mind you, the reason Kennedy wanted the plan changed was to make it less obvious the US was behind, to limit the amount of support the Soviets would send, since an open american invasion of Cuba would likely have resulted in Soviet intervention and thus WWIII.

Since the fiasco of the invasion DID lead to the Soviets sending military support to Cuba, including nuclear missiles, it DID lead more or less directly to the cuban missile crisis. So its not like this was a baseless concern for Kennedy.

>>11977

He let the Cuban spearhead go through, but he called off the final means that would have ensured success: direct military intervention. Afterwards he allowed the CIA to do all the retarded shit people were talking about a few posts ago in Operation Mongoose. In any event, he blinked.

>>11984

The USSR would have sent nukes over anyway eventually, the failure of the operation merely hastened their deployment. Castro was already in line with the general ideology; not quite to the extent that Che was perhaps but he was a true believer. Plus there's also a practical concern in that, you are only 90 miles away from a country that does not like you very much and has a much larger military than you do. It would have been foolish for him not to have allowed the Russians to do whatever they wanted in exchange for protection. But again, BoP just made an inevitable concern all the more pressing.

You know there are times I have to double check that I am on /strek/ and not on /k/ this board is really /k/omfy

>>11977

>He let it go ahead and it was a massive failure.

That's because the CIA didn't disclose the fact that the Russians already knew about the invasion plan for the Bay of Pigs. The CIA was trying to force Kennedy to invade Cuba, and, when he refuse to use their plan, they didn't disclose the info and set it up to fail.

http://the-puzzle-palace.com/files/crimesoimmense.pdf

>>11662

Didn't the occupation of Bajor happen concurrently with the Federation-Cardassian War? As in, Cardassia was already occupying Bajor went they had their war with the Federation?

Yeah. It had to, because Cardassia was still occupying Bajor during a large portion of TNG, and O'brien wasn't that old in TNG, and Bajor was Cardassian territory for decades right?

No, when the Cardassian-Federation War that O'Brien fought in prior to TNG occured, that whole area was heavily disputed, partially because Cardassia occupied Bajor and the Federation already had some settlers on the otherside of Bajor and were getting mixed up with Cardassian settlers.

I think the Federation-Cardassian treaty may have included a secret clause about the scheduled withdrawal from Bajor, leaving the station there and intact, in exchange for de facto Cardassian sovereignty over the disputed territories that would become the Maquis areas.

Some real bastardry there, but theoretically understandable if the Federation was concerned about appearing to be just another expansionist, imperialist power, that in fact WAS subverting and adjusting aliens cultures as necessary for future admission into the Federation, minimizing future threats and increasing its strength. Which it most likely WAS, but being obvious about it is detrimental, and would provoke a lot of bad blood from its neighbors if they became aware.

Its likely the Klingons hated them for this very reason, and its half the reason the Romulans are so paranoid. That bald Lt who became Maquis? He was right.

No, I'd assume the majority of Section 31 isn't mad supervillain shit, but just long term cultural subversion and adjustment to prepare potential enemies to become allies, working alongside or even as diplomats in some cases, and small nudge cloak and dagger, rumors and blackmail type shit.

Basically, NATO.

>>11705

>The Federation having a secret police that can BTFO the Tal Shiar or Obsidian Order is just not very believable

The Klingon one is even more effective.

>>11977

>>11975

No, that was a pathetic excuse of an attempt.

I mean as the Revolution is happening, openly invade with American forces and support Batista.

>>12050

Klingon secret service is so secret nobody knows about it.

>>12061

Not even the Klingons.

>>12069

Not even even the Chancellor.

>>12074

>>12069

I feel a meme coming along

>>12075

>>12074

>>12069

>>12061

They claim they just order random soldiers to go find out something within a certain timeframe, and expect the said Klingon to be competent and able to do so.

>>12082

Come to think of it, anyone notice the talking Targs? :^)

>>12083

Talking Targs? What I want to know is why is nobody talking about the chemicals in the water that's turning the fricking Gagh gay?!

>>12091

Is that Keiko shitting out her human side?

>>12083

>Be Fed shot down on hostile world

>Half a sector fleet is sent to come find me

>Spend only an hour before being rescued

>My rescue is front page news

>Get treated as a hero of the Federation

>Have dinner with the President

>Get exclusive holonovel deal about my traumatic experience

>Be Klingon shot down on hostile world

>Have a nice time camping in the woods for an hour before a Targ with a Ketha Province accent asks if I need help.

>>12422

Is that the joke about how the US rescue downed pilots vs UK from Yugoslavian War?

>rewatch DS9

>Sisko asks Martok if he was able to decode Maquis transmission that not even the Federation or Cardassians were ever able to break

>Martok just taps his datapad and shows Sisko the transmission

Holy shit the Klingons really are good at intel gathering.

>>12209

She lost that long, long ago

From nothing to hero.

>>12494

And it nevers clicks. The memetic perception of Klingons as dumb brutes is just too ingrained. Amazing isn't it?

Fun Fact:Ferengi and Klingons are closely related, possibly from the same original homeworld.

>>13030

I've never heard about links between klingons and Ferengi, but there was that rat like lizard fucker they said was a distant cousin of the Ferengi.

Not sure if the writers understood the implications of that though, since the idea was that since quark was naturally immune to Betazoid telepathy so was the other guy.

rewatching ds9 right now and i just got finished with that episode where obrian is on trial

> O'Brien informs Kovat he loved his parents, and when Kovat suggests spousal abuse on Keiko's part, he indignantly describes her as "the most wonderful, supportive person I've ever known."

i'm starting to think o'brian really might have been the terrorist

>>13072

>Not recognising Stockholm Syndrome

>>13072

I think he was trying to plea insanity.

>>13088

WHY DO YOU STEAL DUBS?

>>13089

This board is slow. If you can’t get the planet killer going it’s pretty damn sad.

>>13089

Why do you fail with the Planet Killer?

>>13089

Why did you lose the Planet Killer?

After Wesley dies in all universes we need to kill Keiko in all universes.

>Checking catalog for several hours

>Apparently this thread was bumped 2 hrs ago

>Did not see it on front page till just 5 minutes ago

Did /strek/ meme temporal anomalies into reality?

>>11458

It's not the face, it what comes out of her fucking mouth.

>>11480

>Miles O'Brien

>not having godlike will power

He had not only stayed married to Keiko but tried to be a good husband, I bet not even fucking Picard could do that shit. I bet he would have offed himself the first few days.

>>12456

Sounds like a story, do you have a greentext?

>>18278

>I bet he would have offed himself the first few days.

Picard would have been driven into a Klingon tier murder frenzy half way through the foreplay on their wedding night.

>>11517

>it was basically Keikos hobby, that she treated like a real job that mattered.

To be fair; nobody in the Federation is getting paid, so all their jobs are just hobbies. They supposedly do it because they like it, but then it makes no sense that there are any shit posts. Like everybody acts like it's super important for them to have a job, but it's not to support themselves or their families; it's just because every single person somehow has a boner for dumb shit like cleaning waste extraction units when they could be spending all day every day in a holodeck simulation because of glorious space communism that totally works, gais.

Man that shit really phase-shifts my navigational deflector.

>>18304

I thought she was just projecting her bitchyness there

>>18296

>who takes great pride in his work of chopping the ends of hair.

There is nothing actually wrong with that.

>>18324

>>18329

No, there's nothing wrong with it at all. I'm just saying that expecting personal pride to be an appropriate substitute for the standard of exchange that currency provides is retarded communist bullshit.

>>18306

kek

>>18337

Picard is from earth. There's no money on earth. No crime. No overpopulation. No struggle to survive. His views on what all of humanity do, hell even just Starfleet, is skewerd by that. The rest of the Federation operates different to earth. Especially on their colonies.

The Federation has the Federation Credit, still in use during TNG. I think the DS9 officers got paid by Starfleet in Gold-Pressed Latinum which probably required some currency exchanging. They might've exchanged their credits for latinum on station, I can't recall.

>>18304

>This isn't even my final form, Miles!

>>18329

>Federation credits are a thing

True, thanks for pointing that out. I'm also sure that the friendly neighbourhood bartender on DS9 would happily exchange FedCreds for gold pressed latinum at a *very* reasonable exchange rate and handling fee.

>it's a shitty job but it needs to be done.

Not quite what I was going for there. Without the need to fund their lives/pay the bills the average Federation citizen has no incentive to be anything other than a NEET unless he has some kind of driving passion in his life (protip: most people don't have one of those). I'd quite like to see what sort of imageboard analogues they'd have created by then. Would they be planetary or federation wide via subspace?

>>18337

Fair enough, but everything is taken care of as far as needs are concerned, so the main motivation would be socializing with other sentients and having something to do with your life.

>>18363

>I take orders from surly commanding officers and swim around in the mixed waist-deep feces of dozens of species because how else am I going to have hobbies or a social life?

>>18304

>sheev_shows_mercy_to_obrien.gif

Does anyone think that Keiko's bitchiness could collapse the wormhole?

>>18566

Her bitchiness and the sheer force of hot hair she blows is probably what keeps it stable in the first place.

>>18604

wew. I could imagine her as the Federation superweapon.