The cabal filth's atrocities are too severe to warrant forgiveness. The people are understandably going to be howling for blood when they find out what's been done to them. They need closure/assurance that the cabal is going to be gone forever.

As for the shills, they need to be sent to the site of the executions and be forced to watch their masters final fates.

I for one am against those who are wronged being cheated out of justice/recompense, which is exactly what forgiveness does.

If you're wondering why I'm so harsh on the idea of forgiveness, why it's such a psychological trigger for me, its because my life has been nothing but "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished", "Hard work only gets rewarded with your hopes and dreams being smashed to pieces in the cruellest ways possible with the most spiteful timing", and "pursuit of love only results in loneliness, heart break, and rejection". All the while "they" get every little sick want granted to them on a silver platter. My faith has been regularly betrayed and my prayers NEVER answered. I….HATE….those fuckers with every fiber of my being.

We don't want revenge.

We expect Justice.

And we leave that up to the justice system.

They will receive justice according to the laws of this nation.

The system works.

The Plan proves that.

The Constitution stands.

As for the corrupt who infiltrated our systems?

That's our fault, really.

We did not watch those we gave power to, close enough.

We wont make that mistake again.

>>1988047

It should be duly noted that my stance regarding the clueless dupes (the ones who had no idea what they were doing) should receive full forgiveness. They didn't INTEND any harm.

I definitely like this as long as it's not directly or indirectly inciting/encouraging violence, Anon. (Also, that's not the culture here so if that's your ideal you've come to the wrong place and we ask that you kindly see yourself out if you cannot refrain from the aforementioned behaviors).

We have a justice system. We have laws. We all fought hard on behalf of them and are fighting for them once again during this electronic, underground civil war that's finally coming to the surface.

We will put in place trusted officials (our commander in chief will ensure that) and those elected officials will begin proceedings against our enemies; enemies of the United States and her Constitution. And they will see justice however that manifests.

>>1988047

I say the punishment should meet their involvement. Here we must put are minds into focus that the judges doing the sentencing will not be the cronies bought off by the deep state.

>>1985874 (OP)

I'm not howling for blood but level-headed & waiting for justice. I have no pity for those who claim they were duped or were clueless as mentioned here in thread.. Justice will be served.. I Trust The Plan

We can forgive them in our hearts, but still seek just punishment.

God will ultimately decide if they are forgiven in the heavenly sense. That is his to judge.

But earthly societies cannot function without a justice system. Anarchy can not reign.

Those who committed crimes must be punished by the justice system or we have fought for nothing. We must restore belief there is only one justice system. (not one for them, and another for the rest of us)

>>1988629

This is the answer. People can forgive if they want to do that, but forgiveness does equate to a pardon.

The promise was Law and Order. Equal Justice. Apply the letter of the law. That is what anons would receive. I don't think we could have any faith in our already comped justice system if many of these crimes were "forgiven" in the form of pardons, or non-prosecution.

>>1993181

Absolutely. Apply the fucking law. Some may say it is a weak mind to use profanity, but we have been using nice language for so long and look where that has got us. As eloquently put by you, equal application of the law. Disrobe them of their charms and supposed fetes and you will only find crime. Their motivation was evil incarnate and nothing of no good. So there is no mitigating factors to warrant a pardon or forgiveness. How do you forgive those who protect those who murder children and knowingly do so to preserve themselves when in fact they swore an oath to protect the lives of the innocent. If any of those permitted to resign had such knowledge, I would be reticent in the judgement of those in current power. I would be concerned someone is being protected of a heinous crime. Just putting it out there. Other than that, equal justice.

>>1989916

Without punishment, crime cannot be defined.

Criminals without fear.

independence day = game begins

veterans day = end game

???

>>1988629

Remember the magnitude of these alleged crimes.

Haiti

Benghazi

SR

MS13

Rape, [187], pensions, social sec, global manipulation

How many lives destroyed

How many lives lost

Forgive but exile, imho.

If we do this right, we could really turn the corner as a species.

Fight fire with water and whatnot

They way i look at it,

Evil intentions/deeds = Never forgive and never forget. There is no room for letting evil off the hook and must never waiver from that.

Useful idiots = punishment must fit their actions for sure. mercy and forgiveness can be offered depending on the individual circumstances.

>>1993885

This. We can Not let ourselves stoop as low as they have. Do Not perpetuate the cycle of hatred!

It is difficult to not seek revenge, but instead aim to teach those who have wronged you in any way you can.

Does that mean it is not worth trying?

That's some aikido shit.

>>1993885

interesting thread//bread….

I like the idea of poetic justice. Can't we use their techniques and magic (symbols, MK ultra..) on them to make them loving and kind? Or mind wipe them so they can't remember evil and then "hypnotize" them into good/loving. If the populace were aware this was being done to them, it would raise the vibrations world wide. This would be light overcoming darkness.

When advising the 'white rabbit' twitter accounts back in the early days of how trials should be conducted and what punishment should be dealt out, I laid it out as the following:

Abusers can either:

1) Admit to the crime, receive witness protection and 'go to jail', or

2) Wait until their satanic buddies stab them in the back and murder them in order to prevent the truth from getting out

With those who admit the crime, my further proposal was the punishment was *victim directed*. It is not our position to determine what to punish them with because we (or at least I) did not directly suffer under their hands.

If the victim wants to forgive, then by all means (the perp simply goes to jail - they're too dangerous to be re-released into society). If they want punishment, then it's as they direct.

In a conflict between two victims preferences, the punishment overrides the forgiveness (the abuser is punished as a result of the other victim, not as a result of the one who gives forgiveness).

Regardless, we might not get the luxury of picking what punishment can be applied (how do you punish someone in another sovereign country?). It might be so difficult to maneuver through that we have to take whatever punishment we can get.

I personally don't subscribe to the 'forgive all' philosophy, and operate on a 'fitting punishment' approach. If I see a criminal making genuine amends, then their punishment is to continue making amends. If, on the other hand, they're unrepentant, I'd much rather they experience what they did to others.

But that's not for me to decide. If jailing (rather than punishing) one means we can book a couple more into custody, then I'd rather go the 'less is more' route.

My only job here is to facilitate the possibility of that happening. It's up to the victims to make their wants known. See as a bit like a mafia op where the mafia work for the people. You want Johnny to fall down some stairs? He falls down some stairs. You want Johnny to meet his maker? He meets his maker. You want Johnny to be given a light dusting and then sent on his way? He gets a light dusting and gets sent on his way.

Remember, if you don't punish them, you're only sending them the message they're free to always do it because even if caught justice is not done.

>>2001022

Remember, some handlers/abusers were themselves abused. Sometimes it's a vicious cycle. Some had no choice because it was either 'shoot this guy' or 'the entire weight of the government tortures you for a lifetime' - can you imagine trying to fight off something as big as an entire government? Whatever punishment is applied needs to factor in their personal circumstances where possible.

Some people, though, weren't abused and were abusive. They get no sympathy from me.

Regardless, point and click: shit happens.

>>2002879 pedophiles, sex traffickers, cannibals, luciferians should get death , we know what there doing, they know we know, and they are still doing it. Mercy requires confession, remorse and change. They are not sorry, just sorry they've been caught.

if we can't arrest and punish them, we kill them before they kill us.

(they are this evil)

>>2003084

You're probably forgetting how a mafia-esque organisation works.

Via fear and intimidation. The argument to give death forces them to fight to the bitter end, to remain a cornered rat, to give up no quarter. You're thinking of the worst perpetrators impossible, but to get to them you have to go through outer rings of thugs, assassins, crooks, frauds and the like.

If you hand out death to everybody, no-one is going to cooperate. No whistleblowers means no evidence, no evidence means no ringleader, no ringleader means they retreat and regroup.

Incentivising 'first to sell out wins' means you will have everybody on edge, because they know they're not trustworthy - if they don't talk first, someone else beats them to the punch. If they keep silent, someone will off them and their family. If they hesitate, they lose out on the 'first come, first served' witness protection offering.

To do that requires you fundamentally forego punishment on a number of people. Ruthlessness will only give you an enemy who fights to the death in their corner, and these people have far more resources at their disposal than you realise.

Thugs, assassins are the minutemen of their group, we're not really bothered with their footsoldiers, who have been gangpressed into war (some forcefully conditioned into doing so). Even in a riot against the establishment, the entire group is never punished - always the leaders.

You could jail a sex trafficer who has been peddling kids for years and lose a valuable intel source, or you can get them to name who financed them and supplied the kids in the first place. Traffickers are a dime a dozen: who do you want to catch? The traffickers? Or the organisers who operate across entire global lines with impunity?

Put the analogy differently.

You can choose to shut down one out of hundred drug smugglers,

or

You can choose to let the prolific smuggler go for intel on where all the drugs are being produced.

No production line intrinsically means no smuggler.

Capiche?