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1ab9f4 No.1576639

I wish people were more interested and informed about the History of the Bible than the history within.

Questions for Seekers:

How did the Bible came into being?

Who were the people involved?

Who decided which of the 12 apostles writings were included?

Even if some apostles

Were there any alterations made to original documents?

Where is the list of scribes that contributed to the Bible over its life?

Who were the original authors?

What languages were the original texts/manuscripts written in?

Is there anything lost in translation?

Are the following verses salt to tenderize salient points, or, are they salt in the wounds of true believers?

Matthew 23:27-28

Jeremiah 8:8

Acts 7:48

Can the Bible be seen as a house built by the hands of man?

What happened directly after Rome disbursed this document?

What do we call the period of time between 400A.D. and 1500A.D.?

How could a book of infinite wisdom be used to create such a lengthy and inescapable dark age?

What happened to the bible during the renaissance?

What is happening to the bible now?

How many versions are there of the "truth"?

These questions are meant to help those who seek the truth to temper their religious ecstasy with fact.

I support the Bible's purpose but still, through my research and experience, see the document as an original attempt to "Control the narrative," a retrospective on the invention of Problem/Reaction/Solution, just enough truth to keep people coming, not enough truth to set people free, a soul-nurturing collection of documents continuously hijacked by dominant men of their day attempting to feather their earthly nests by saddling eternal truths with finite consequences(Sin).

9c8770 No.1577205

>>1576639

Council of Nicea. Controlled from then


13158e No.1584768

Much of the OT is stolen Egyptian stories that are replaced with Hebrew figures.

All of the Hebrew patriarchs are based on actual ( historical and archeogically correct ) ancient Egyptian figures.

Joseph = Yuya

Moses = Akhenaten

The list is long.


c163bf No.1609497

>>1577205

Nicea myth has been debunked long ago…

Canon pre dates Nicea.

Be careful who you follow (or parrot).


c163bf No.1609515

>>1584768

Sigh…

Another popular myth…

People watch the Zeitgeist movie and assume they are informed..

DO YOU MORONS REALLY BELIEVE CHRISTIANS DON'T DO ANY RESEARCH???


c163bf No.1609549

>>1576639

>How could a book of infinite wisdom be used to create such a lengthy and inescapable dark age?

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TRYING TO BLAME A BOOK FOR THE WICKEDNESS OF MAN??


abcf11 No.1609571

>>1609497

Yup, the books of canon were already in popular circulation by the early church. The declaration of the council of Nicea was just a logical acceptance of what had happened organically.

>>1609515

Lol, I can't believe people are still hung up on that myth. It's hilarious too because historical manuscripts suggest that many of the religious cults of ancient Greece changed their own stories to align them with the Christian resurrection in an attempt to skim followers from the growing church.


c163bf No.1609608

>>1576639

>These questions are meant to help those who seek the truth to temper their religious ecstasy with fact.

LOL!

You mean you refuse to study yourself why people believe the Bible is trustworthy, but you want to spread doubts anyway.

FYI the Old Testament has not been changed, although there are diferences in translations.

The evidence shows that the New Testament probably existed before the end of the 1st century AD.

You can learn from Bible scholars, ancient languages scholars and many other people who know their stuff because they did the investigative work for you.

Follow the evidence.


abcf11 No.1609653

>>1609608

100% I've been in the process of writing a point by point refutation to this clown, but you're killing it lol.


c163bf No.1609668

>>1609571

Thanks for chiming in.

Yeah, people have watched the Zeitgeist movie and assume they are experts…

But it's rehashed theosophy bunk, straight from the elitists, related to Marxism even…

So today we're fighting their legacy, yet people cling to their religious lies.

They'd rather channel demons (thinking they're aliens) and feed their "woke" ego's than to acknowledge the biggest controversy (religion / meaning of life and fate) and INVESTIGATE things..


abcf11 No.1609737

>>1609668

I was bound in that lie for years. It was a shock when I found out that it came out of those liberal schools in Europe. All it took was one knowledgeable Christian to challenge my sources and when I actually bothered to investigate I learned how fake those claims were.

Investigating those lies literally got me saved.


c163bf No.1609817

>>1609653

I hope you will post it.

Me getting irate doesn't help that much anyway…

Moreover, i was once deceived by the same popular myths myself…

>>1609737

You too i see…

I found out by trying to figure out who / what rules the world, and what are their religious ideas.

Luciferianism.

180° opposed to Jesus Christ and the Bible, which i had always dismissed.

Like OP i always associated anything Christian with the bloodshed by organised Christianity throughout history…

FWIW, i can share my YT playlist here:

youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzXkVr_R6Kg30l25sDsjipQRpUMQXVi9W

Should give lots of insights.


c163bf No.1609833

>>1609817

*organised Christianity often being not Christian at all…

"You will know them by their fruits."


c163bf No.1609858

>>1609737

>It was a shock when I found out that it came out of those liberal schools in Europe.

Excellent way of putting it.

Indeed.

Goes to show that while fighting liberalism / globalism / Marxism and Zionism (Talmudic Judaism), people should heavily scrutinize the belief systems the have fed us also.


abcf11 No.1609873

>>1609817

>youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzXkVr_R6Kg30l25sDsjipQRpUMQXVi9W

I knew before you even posted that it would be full of Chris White lol

I'm basically the same. I knew that they were Luciferian and I saw the blatant opposition to Christianity. As soon as I even entertained the possibility that I was wrong I encountered the Holy Spirit tangibly, knew God was real, knew Christ was His son. It was a pretty dramatic reversal.


29405c No.1610049

One thing that we all need to understand is the difference and the timeline RE: varying versions of the bible. The version that most of us read today happens to come from a surfacing of the Hebrew Masoretic text from roughly 230 A.D. and gained popularity around 7th-10th Century A.D. which originate from the "nomadic" Masoretes. As you all are aware, many texts prior to this exist such as the Greek Septuagint, Dead Sea scrolls etc… Each can be dated back to before Christ's death, clearly this is not so with the Masoretic text.

In addition another great facet to ponder is the influence of Hilel the Elder upon the Hebrew teachings of the time surrounding periods when Jesus walked the earth. This individual is responsible in my opinion for the subversion of the modern day Judaic Rabbinic texts we all come to know as the Babylonian Talmud. There is very much to debate & to look into regarding these two aspects of the subject, however I thought I would throw my two cents in briefly to allow more perspective in this thread, gents.

Hilel archive link to wiki

http://archive.is/969cY

Link describing Hebrew Masoretic texts including their use & the basis for the King James Version translations of the bible.

http://archive.is/BZQU8


abcf11 No.1610233

>>1610049

I'm not a fan of the KJV and I have had personal experience with attempting comparative translations from them and the older sources. In my studies the Dead Sea Scrolls were closer to the Septuagint than they were to the Masoretic texts which was pretty shocking. The differences were by no means profound, but it was enough to get my almonds going.

One prime example of a subtle difference is Deuteronomy 32:8

You'll spot the difference between translations that use the Masoretic texts and ones that use others. Compare the KJV to the NET or the ESV.

http: //biblehub.com/deuteronomy/32-8.htm


29405c No.1610408

>>1610233

I couldn't agree more, I enjoyed reading the full book of Ezra, It resonated with me.


c5bb2c No.1614236

>>1609515

Wtf does my post have to do with Zeitgeist!? I'm not talking about the "Jesus never existed" myth. I was talking about the OT patriarchs only. There's zero evidence outside the Bible that any of them existed.

Or is this just a Christian echo chamber?


c163bf No.1616740

>>1614236

>There's zero evidence outside the Bible that any of them existed.

You're pleading from ignorance.

Due to the controversy of the matter and media platforms having a problem with truth, you have to look for knowledge, in this case about archaeology and the Bible et al.

I posted my YT playlist earlier.

Have a look there.

>Or is this just a Christian echo chamber?

Expect defence when you attack.


2e8a9f No.1617054

>>1616740

Grab the books by Dr Michael Heiser. If you can't get them, then listen to his weekly podcasts "Nake Bible".

Read his books: The Unseen Realm, and The Bible Unfiltered.

And grab The Book of Enoch too…. that's a red pill !!!


c5bb2c No.1627550

>>1616740

You just proved you're incapable of discussion if you think that was an attack.


920c3d No.1641359

>>1610049

Correct.


849a0f No.1685402

>>1576639

This will help explain quite a bit the impact religion has played upon humans since the inception of “Orthodox Christianity” – the basis of Christianity as we know it

Part 1

Chapter Eleven

Conclusion

The dark side of Christian history has been and continues to

be about the domination and control of spirituality and human

freedom. Orthodox Christians built an organization that from its

inception encouraged not freedom and self-determination, but

obedience and conformity. To that end, any means were

justified. Grounded in the belief in a singular, authoritarian and

punishing God, orthodox Christians created a church that

demanded singular authority and punished those who disobeyed.

During the Dark Ages, civilization collapsed as the Church

took control of education, science, medicine, technology and the

arts. Crusaders marched into the Middle East killing and

destroying in the name of the one Christian God. The Inquisition

established a precedent in the Middle Ages for the systematic

policing and terrorization of society. The Protestant and Catholic

Counter Reformation sparked wars where Christians slaughtered

other Christians, each convinced that theirs was the one and only

true path. And the holocaust of the witch hunts plumbed the

depths of horror as it eradicated countless women and men as

well as the belief in earth-based divinity. In 1785 Thomas

Jefferson wrote:

Millions of innocent men, women, and children,

since the introduction of Christianity, have been

burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have

not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What

186 THE DARK SIDE OF CHRISTIAN HISTORY

has been the effect of coercion? To make one

half of the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.

To support error and roguery all over the

earth.1


849a0f No.1685417

>>1685402

Part 2

Christianity's impact has been perhaps most insidious upon

the modern world. By terrifying people into believing that there

was no divine supernatural assistance in the physical world,

orthodox Christians created the environment where people

believed the universe to be pre-determined, mechanical, and

devoid of consciousness. But instead of attributing such an

understanding to religious belief, people now credited science as

having objectively proven such a world. Most people came to

think that struggle, domination and authoritarian control were—

perhaps not divinely ordained—but natural and necessary

qualities of life in such an impersonal universe. Interestingly, the

very science that once verified orthodox Christian concepts is

now discovering the limitations of a mechanistic view of the

universe.

Ignoring the dark side of Christian history perpetuates the

idea that oppression and atrocity are the inevitable results of an

inherently evil or savage human nature. There have been—

especially during the neolithic age—peaceful cultures and

civilizations, however, which functioned without oppressive

hierarchical structures. It is clearly not human nature that causes

people to hurt one another. People of gentler cultures share the

same human nature as we of Western civilization; it is our

beliefs that differ. Tolerant and more peaceful cultures have

respected both masculine and feminine faces of God, both

heavenly and earthly representations of divinity. It is the limited

belief in a singular supremacy and only one face of God that has

resulted in tyranny and brutality.

Ignoring the dark side of Christian history allows the beliefs

which have motivated cruelty to go unexamined. The belief in a

singular face of God who reigns at the pinnacle of a hierarchy

CONCLUSION 187

sustained by fear has devastating consequences. People must

constantly determine who is superior to whom. Every aspect

which differentiates people whether it be gender, race, belief,

sexual preference, or socio-economic status, becomes a criterion

by which to rank an individual as either better than or less than

another. And it is the ranking and subordination of a person's

humanity and value that comprises sexism, racism, and the

intolerance of difference.

Unity and oneness within an orthodox Christian belief system

are perceived to come from sameness and conformity, not from

the synergy and harmony of difference. A society's diversity is

most often understood to be a liability rather than an asset. A

peaceful society is thought to be one where everyone is the

same. Within such a belief system, an end to sexism or racism

is misunderstood to mean simply a change of roles. Instead of

men dominating women, women would dominate men. Instead

of whites dominating blacks, blacks would dominate whites.

There is no understanding of shared authority, cooperation and

support.


849a0f No.1685433

>>1685417

Part 3

Belief in a strictly heavenly or sky-based God who is

disconnected from the earth has had enormous ramifications

upon humanity's treatment of the natural environment. As

orthodox Christianity spread, the means of integrating human

activity with seasonal cycles through festivals were curtailed.

Holidays came to commemorate biblical events, not the phases

of the year. The concept of linear time replaced that of cyclical

time, further alienating people from nature's ebb and flow.

Modern science then validated the orthodox perception that the

earth lacked sanctity by portraying the physical world as a

mechanistic realm entirely devoid of consciousness.

However, as dark as moments of Christian history have been,

awareness of them need not lead to a complete rejection of

Christianity. There have been Christians throughout its history

who have fought against the tyranny of orthodox beliefs and

188 THE DARK SIDE OF CHRISTIAN HISTORY

behavior. There have been countless Christians who valued love

and forgiveness over fear and punishment, who encouraged

personal empowerment and understanding over submission and

blind faith.

The dark side of Christian history was not an unavoidable

result of human nature; it was the result of a very specific

ideology and belief structure. As we have ignored the horror of

Christian history, so we have ignored scrutiny of Christian

beliefs and their pervasiveness in our seemingly godless modern

world. Without scrutiny, the destructive patterns have continued

to alienate people from God, the natural environment, and each

other.

Yet, with understanding and attention, we can stop such

harmful patterns. We can recognize that efforts to convince us

that God demands our fear and unquestioning submission are in

fact efforts to control us and to contain our spirituality. We can

recognize that the belief in a singular supremacy lies at the root

of chauvinism, racism and totalitarianism. We can move towards

a world that values diversity, freedom and human dignity. And

we can embrace the hope and pursue the dream that humanity

can be free to act humanely.

The Dark Side of Christian History

by Helen Ellerbe

http://ethosworld.com/library/Ellerbe-The-Dark-Side-of-Christian-History-(1995).pdf

I have a really good book about the making of the bible. Trying to find it.


849a0f No.1686625

>>1685433

I am having some problems with my computer. This is why I did not attach the PDF. But the link is good, takes you right to the PDF and no issues with downloading it or you can read it on-line.


5dc3ac No.1727665

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

(((They))) never tell you this


bf7a1c No.1806127

>>1685433

Anon… so on board with this message.

The bible is such a wonderful book… many layers of truth in it. It seems that the dark ones must follow rules…. they must tell truth, though allowed to obscure it.

The bible was written to deceive. No ifs, and, or buts about it. But to a clever reader, it tells the truths.

When Jesus was killed, the Early Christines were persecuted. THEY all wrote in code to escape death sentences. WE need to understand their code. It makes sense that Q communicates to us in code. I totally recommend the YouTuber Apochryphile1970. He gets the code. I don't agree with everything he says, but a large majority.

The early Christines knew of the evils going on. They realized that Rome was taking over and defiling the Christ message. There code was well understood amonst them. It has been lost for the most part over time.

My personal take on the Dead Sea Scrolls, is that they have an Essene presence. Not saying that is bad, but the Essenes were very cultish. Mary's family was Essene, and Jesus was very familiar with the Essenes… just saying… cults are cults.

I do enjoy the Nag Hammadi scriptures. If you apply the code to the Nag Hammadi material… it just makes sense. If someone can tell me how to post a spreadsheet without doxing myself, I would be happy to post my compilation of the code. It makes understanding of the scriptures much more understandable… The code is consistent. Applies to OT as well as NT. Interestingly enough.


bf7a1c No.1806988

>>1806127

As an example of THE CODE… when you read scripture saying either East or West… East is code for the past and West is code for the future. When the bible speaks of the Elect or the little flock… it is code for the last generation (which we believe is now). God embedded the last generation with special souls.. some call them indigos… who are meant to be spiritual lightning rods for the normies. The parents of indigos were also specially prepare to be enlightened souls who would raise their children in the light.

Understand… this is all about cycles of time… not linear time. Our cycle was disrupted at the Atlantis disaster. The tear caused from the evil ones attempting to create an artificial Merkaba forced our evolution to occur in half the time with major damage. We have won. We just need to spend time to see it.

Those with eyes to see and ears to hear will understand this. To those of you who will not understand this… it's OK.. your Christian Good Works helps the cause.


bf7a1c No.1807079

File: 5bd79ae4bb61e2e⋯.png (132.49 KB, 1278x901, 1278:901, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1dd63cf05663e79⋯.png (120.58 KB, 1211x706, 1211:706, ClipboardImage.png)

Please correct me if I am wrong… but I believe Jesus was trying to tell us in the parables about Universal Law (laws of creation) which originate in the Greek… not the Roman…

To trust Roman anything is questionable.


5dc3ac No.1821666

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Difficult for an anon to do…..


3f4444 No.1823190

File: 76febd615945e61⋯.png (83.16 KB, 500x382, 250:191, romeWTF.png)


ad73ae No.1990321

"" nice ""


251e50 No.2024806

You chose an owl picture for your thread, Y.


ca47c4 No.2025372

>I know your afflictions and your poverty–yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

revelation 2:9

you can't call yourself a christian and support jews. you will burn in hell for eternity


655e4c No.2025563

Read about this guy, and then read what he wrote, and you will understand history and the origin of the Bible much better.

https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus


bf7a1c No.2033907

>>2025372

We are all one.


289833 No.2034065

>>2025372

Important that everyone understands…..it is not the Jews that are the problem. It's the Zionist and fractions thereof.

They claim to be Jew but are not. They hide behind the Jew title.




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