>>1310117

Is this thing on?

>>1310169

yes it is!

post away and invite more anons too

just started

If you are thinking about buying some land and living off of it, before you buy the land, buy a used backhoe.

You will not regret it. Once you get you place up and running, you can easily sell it to the next guy.

ill start with my story -at least part of it

i was a lawyerfag for 25 years - very hign end practice too

but i hated it

and it was corrupt

so i threw my license inthe trash and eventually becmae a prepper/homseteader

i learned so much and have many tales to tell

after i got over my fear of real life that the cabal instilled

\lets go anons WWG1WGA!

>>1310194

better be a shade tree mechanic though

or know one!

first thing i learned was the test for any used equipment - "is it a dandy?"

kek

yes you can make a living with a backhoe but also need a truck and trailer big enough to move it too…

oopps was leaving the name in by accident

>>1310213

I didn't mean to make a living. You will need it for EVERYTHING you do to get a place set up.

Moving stumps, leveling land, digging septic system, etc. There is no other tool like it.

You can trade work with it for mechanic work if you can't do it.

If you are even thinking of living out away from everyone else, you need to be a shade tree mechanic, among numerous other thing.

>>1310270

very true

i myself am not

but i learned about tires and batteries!

farmers 2 best friends…

Not a bad idea.

>>1310270

you are also right on about "buy-renting" equipment to use for a year or 2 then selling

works great

we did that with a trencher for water lines

>>1310291

You can rent a backhoe for a pretty reasonable fee, but you need to make sure you have a long list of things to get done when you do.

>>1310189

Thanks again for setting this up.

our conversations may have been sliding the other board, but this is true freedom. What we are all supposed to be striving for.

This is great! So eager to learn more. I was a CPA working in the corporate world. All I learned was that it was all corrupt. Due to health issues (from GMO's) I was forced into early retirement.

Now I own a couple acres and am planning to become self-sufficient (to an extent I guess). But my health is spiralling downwards, so don't know how far I'll make it.

I have had to learn to make everything from scratch, so I can share a few things of my own, but mostly here to learn more from you Anons!

WWG1WGA

>>1310364

the fact that anons post here is the greatest reward there is

WWG1WGA!

>>1310385

try giving up all sugar inc corn syrup) and all cereal grains

very limited starch like potatos and beans

you will notice a huge improvement in your health

when you are on the main research board make sure to invite others here

esp those who raise a related topic over there

>>1310411

Sugar is crack to humans.

It is a learned addiction, and easy to break.

Don't eat sugar for about three weeks, and you will be cured. If you eat some after that, it really isn't very good.

The sugar industry is responsible for the "fat free" craze. Your body needs good (animal) fats to survive.

>>1310418

Will do. I asked the baker to add the link at the top of the bread, and they did.

>>1310194

thats what i want to do… buy back hoe, dig in my septic/pond/shipping container for bunker starage

then sell when im done… how cheap can i buy an old good one for?

>>1310395

Amen anon

>>1310411

I have done that to a certain extent. I don't use anything made from GMO corn. If I do use sugar, I only use either local honey (and we have the best honey here) or I use organic raw cane sugar.

I have had to eliminate all grains due to gmo. But I just found a flour that is great so far - kamut grain. It is an ancient wheat grain - no gmo and grown organically in Montana. Made my own tortillas last night, turned out great.

>>1310447

Think 10-15 thousand dollars.

Sounds like a lot, but renting equipment get expensive after a while.

Think of it as an investment.

You may lock up a substantial sum of cash up front, but you can get most if not all of it back when you sell it. Then you have a lump sum that you can put to other use. Like putting up a greenhouse to extend you growing season, and keep food predators out.

>>1310489

Heard it would cost about $10k to dig a well. Is that true? Why so much? I am on a spring water system here - there's only 12 of us connected to it, so for now that works for me. But wanted to have my own well water too, just in case.

>>1310468

Most people are not aware that most of the sugar sold is not cane sugar, but sugar beet sugar.

Interesting fact: People that worked in sugar beet factories in the 30's and 40's could only work there for 3 months at a time, then had to leave for 3 months. The dust in the air was poisonous.

If you look on the label of a bag of sugar and it says "sugar" it is beet sugar.

If it is cane sugar it will say cane sugar.

I think the only brands are C&H and Domino. Both owned by the same corp.

>>1310169

SOOOO many resources out there. Anons do what they do best , research.

Start with where you are for those who haven't made the leap yet. Try some simple stuff, like

container gardening maybe. Make bread for real. build a backyard fireplace or a coffee can stove.

Research research research. see if there's a local farmers market. Lot of homesteaders, off grid folks there. Face to face you learn a lot.

Good luck to all. You're never too old or sick, or poor to make the change to go off the company store, and reclaim your soul.

Look for The Place.

Undeveloped or existing homestead? Rural or Remote?

>>1310523

Bee keeping is a dying art , but produces the best sugar substitute for those w/ a sweet tooth, and helps save bees. W/O bees the worlds food supply will disappear. Pesticides are decimating bee populations.

>>1310513

Wells are about $10 per foot in my area. That doesn't include the casing, or the pump, etc. just the hole. If they don't hit water, you have to pay anyway, then pay to dig another one.

My area is irrigated farm land, so in the summer the water table is at 6 feet, in the winter about 20. Can dig by hand. Have a friend that lives 16 miles away, well is 240 feet.

>>1310513

Depends where you live, type of area (rocky, arid, sandy) and how deep the water table is.

Spring water is best.

>>1310551

I am putting in 2 colonies this year.

You can get about 100lbs. of honey from each hive per year. Not as difficult as most people think. Youtube has lots of videos.

You can probably find a club in your area.

>>1310523

Correct! I only use raw cane sugar and ALWAYS check the ingredients of EVERYTHING I buy. Actually I thought that if it says "sugar", then it is derived from gmo corn. Honey is the best alternative, but get good quality local honey.

A lot of our food changed, esp'ly the last 4 yrs of hussein. For example, used to be able to buy tomato paste (only canned tomato product w/o gmo corn). Now they have added citric acid to it. Citric acid is made from gmo corn. Why? It wasn't needed for hundreds of years!

>>1310551

Also honey has antiseptic qualities. You can use it as an ointment. You can leave it sitting around for years, and it won't mold. You can make candles with the wax or sell it.

You can make Mead from it also.

>>1310572

Guess I'll stick to the spring water for now. I live close to a river, so I have the river rock bed to dig through.

>>1310608

Corn sugar is sold as corn sugar. I actually use it to make some of the varieties of beer I brew.

Almost all sugar now is beet sugar.

Does not take much to be self sufficient. Been that way for 33 years. Start out small if ya don’t have the bucks. Land and good water are a must. Can live off land if you have both even in a RV and a container storage unit. Hard work and imagination is all it takes. If you can’t do it by yourself find some good honest folks who will help you. To be totally sovereign you will need a hand pump for well if loose electricity, small garden, chickens, generator and good fencing to keep critters away. Can go up from there.

>>1310633

Most water after it has passed through about 12" of soil in clean enough to drink.

Not shilling the product ,

but to demonstrate that its possible to build this.

Learning how to construct your own boxshould be possible also.

Which brings water and power to a location that is challenged without one or the other or both.

https:// www.offgridbox.com/product-1/

>>1310652

Even if all you have is a patio in an apartment building, you can grow tomatos, peppers, spinach, even corn now in containers. Start today, and it will only get easier.

My interests in this, beyond the obvious of growing food, has always been the issue of restoring technology. A sort of Minecraft exploit. How do you go about locating useful ores and materials, how do you process them into their constituent parts, and how do you construct accurate tools to accomplish these jobs?

Basically, coming from the Battletech universe… How does one prevent the concept of lostech?

I'll have to compile my work on the subject, as well as my ongoing research/projects on the matter. Part of the challenge is all of the fundamentals. Working in a factory and seeing the look of utter confusion on some younger people's faces when handed calipers or mentioning some engineering concepts that used to be common tradecraft…. We gotta go back to things like "what is a bisector" and "what does tempering do" as we get into metal matrixes and why an aluminum casting can be stronger than a mild steel but will cut like butter.

Of course, such a goal of preventing lostech is insufficient to just describe how it has been done in the past. Certain things are nearly impossible to replicate without today's interconnected trade systems and equipment. Hundreds of chicken-and-egg conundrums face people attempting to create even the simplest of transistor amplifiers or hydraulic actuators.

Some of these are just heavy industry - there is no replacement for a primary melt furnace that can handle a hundred tons of material. Even if one could manufacture the control circuitry and hydraulic coupled servos of an automated panel bender, the equipment and tooling for creating the various dies and heavy frame is a completely different story (as is the equipment to assemble and move such a thing).

As such, the goal is the preservation of knowledge of how to create such industry in the first place, while consolidating as many technologies into 'garage space' as possible. There is no reason why a process to develop integrated circuits couldn't be implemented on an 'at home' scale with a power budget that could be found from generators or other 'off grid' sources. Should some manner of apocalypse sweep the world, the knowledge and ability to create much of our high technology should be able to survive in the hands of individuals and communities.

Of course, if it doesn't - the power of tinker has a way of solving things that large budget programs fail at.

>>1310686

That is a cool device, but I am afraid to ask for a quote.

You can buy solar panels from internet sellers pretty cheap now. The most expensive thing is the batteries.

Best ones to buy, if not using "solar" batteries, are 6v forklift batteries.

They can usually be sourced locally unlike real "solar" batteries that will cost tons to ship.

>>1310713

I agree wholeheartedly. That is why I started amassing my library of real books 35 years ago. Knowledge is power, and I know a lot of very weak people.

I have a 3d printer that I make numerous things from. I use it a lot to make positives for mold making. You would be surprised what you can design and build yourself with a little study. I also have a small forge that was made in the twenties.

I have to go transplant some seedlings. I will return in a few hours.

If there are questions you would like me to try to answer, I will be happy to do so.

Remember, there are no stupid questions.

The journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step.

>>1310633

Instead of a well ($$), try a water catch, storage, filter system, esp. if you're near a river. You hit the jackpot in location for water!

>>1310513

tough to find well drillers in many areas

but well worth it

i installed a manual pump

perfect for drinking water

we collect rain water for other uses

>>1310523

and ALL beet sugar is GMO

ALL

>>1310645

i did too but dont trust it any more

now i make it with non gmo sorghum syrup

not as good imo but still great

>>1310741

yeah, I didn't want a quote either. I can imagine $$$$$$.

But I DID snare some photos with shots of the inside. And thoroughly looked over the website.

They collect the solar power with panels, convert the energy, store in (marine) batteries, and run a power filter for the stored water from the tank. Each component of the tech is already "out there'. They just put it together. Terrific idea, and repeatable in the comfort of your own place. A great DIY project.

>>1310609

YES! magic stuff.

>>1310609

Excuse my ignorance, but what is Mead?

No fail no till garden step by step

choose a nice sunny well drained location about 8x8

mow and/or weed whack down as far as you can to dirt if possible

do NOT till or disturb earth

go to home depot and buy bags of cow manure - enough to cover 6x6 as thick as you want but minimum 4 incjes deep

get a bale or bags of pro mulch sterile potting mix - pre moisten if dry

spread the manure in a 6x6 square

top with the soil

cover with 8x8 blackplastic and secure with pins rocks or bricks

cut holes in the plastic - location/number dependingon type of plant - this size will do for a cuke, zuke,chard, tomatoes, kale patch are exz and grow well everywhere - stake tomatoes green beans etc fpr when they grow

buy seedlings from local source

plant and water = keep moist until established

watch em grow!

repeat to as many garden squares as you can handle or need

fertilize as much as you need - check your garden at least once a day

success is certain

>>1310988

wine made with honey as sweetener and fermenting agent

oldest alcoholic bev drink known to man

>>1310202

I started thinking over a lifestyle change when Hillary and Obama were competing for the nomination. I knew whichever went for it would be the beginning of the end and I'd have to find a way to live under the radar and off grid as much as possible. I never dreamed there was a "Trump" card to be played. Now I just want to live this way because it's better. And there's no way to know how this is all going to fly for America. We just got the flag back up.

This lifestyle … It's as free as we can be.

>>1311071

Honey meade wine ….mmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>1311065

Thanks ! copy/saving this

Check your local library or Goodwill, lots of the "back to nature" books from the 70's are being trimmed out of people's collections now and are showing up cheap.

Sure, they didn't predict the current tech levels or materials, but they are a great all around resource on how to homestead. I found this one for $3 at the local Goodwill.

http: //www.laurelleaffarm.com/item-pages/Back-to-Basics-Readers-Digest-back-to-land-preppers-guide-homesteading-traditional-life-skills-Laurel-Leaf-Farm-item-no-z113151.htm

>>1310411

I'v been growing and using Stevia for about 7 years now. Also started beekeeping last year. It isn't supposed to be about depravation. It's back to nature.

Potatoes keep over the winter… plant plenty. Learn how to make decent tasting beans from dried beans. There is always too many beans in garden to use fresh.

>>1310524

Yes, everyone should learn to make bread and butter. Learn to create a sourdough starter from scratch. It is rather easy. These are the things you can do while you prepare to purchase that land.

>>1310551

My local beekeeping club doubled this past year. … in spite of the fact that the purchase price for bees is skyrocketing and bees are struggling to over-winter.

>>1310608

Certified organic foods cannot contain GMO.

>>1310609

Saw an article on Mead last night…. inferring that to the Vikings, it was a natural anitbiotic.

>>1311071

Mmmmm! Sounds good! I have my own organic grapes and good local honey! Me meading! Thanks!

I did make my own apple cider vinegar 2 seasons ago. Will be making more this year. Love it! I have pear and apple trees, so I'm going to experiment with pear cider more (the batch I made before was very light and sweet). I also found a nearby cafe that is going to be making their own coleslaw and would love to try my apple cider. Good old trading neighbors!

Try hugelkultur for your gardens.

Great water savings, and local resources can be used.

>>1311065

You can also grow garden plants in bales of straw. $3-5 a bale.

>>1311291

Can you share some resources on the ACV. I failed at my attemp… everything molded

>>1310385

Also wheat and flour are the latest contaminate. about 5 yrs ago ((they)) started using new pesticides. The toxicity levels in these foods is pretty bad. A scientist friend was telling me about them after I mentioned about 4 yrs ago I started getting mild allergic reactions to foods I used to always be able to eat. (like store bought cookies).

Since then I've noticed it in other processed foods.

everyone should collect rainwater

so easy and to many benefits

all public systems have massive chemical treatments esp chlorine and flouride

when you take showers your skin absorbe it - take short showers and

if you collect rainwater you can use it to wash between showers - water garden etc

also if you get a berket water filter you can drink it - for ER or any time

>>1311369

berkey

>>1311356

i tried and failed as well

it requires both 2 step fermentation

pretty tough and not cheap ingredients either

braggs is worth the money

what i do now is buy braggs and mix it with cheaper costco gallon organic acv

the braggs dominates and makes it great even 2 to 1 cheap stuff

fraction of the price

>>1311356

Sure I have a recipe somewhere with detailed instructons. I will find it and post it here.

Basically you start with your apple/pear trimmings (say you're making apple sauce or a pie, save the trimmings). Place them in a bowl, uncovered overnight on the counter. Next day place them in a wide mouthed jar, add a water, honey & apple cider mixture, mix and let sit for I think 2 weeks. You have to stir every day and remove any foaming on top. Then you sift into a jar and store.

>>1311362

its all gmo

which means roundup

poison

>>1311369

Yup.

We have (2) 275 gallon IBC totes interconnected and then tied to a roof gutter. Have only ran out once each season.

>>1311399

It's all about your priorities. A couple years back I bought a non-electric grain grinder. I have a source of organic grains and I live in BFE - 100 miles to nearest city. Try growing your own. Think Quinoa and Amaranth. Get away from the wheat. I make pasta substituting Quinoa flour for wheat… no one noticed any difference.

>>1311457

Forgot to say that it's grown totally organic and is non-gmo. It's an ancient grain that's never been genetically modified.

>>1311395

I find it at those liquidation stores and buy up all they have. Pink Himilayan salt too.

I make wine successfully, so will have to give the ACV another shot. My spouse has an apple every day so I have daily supply to feed the fermentor.

>>1311397

Oh My… I followed a recipe that took 6 - 9 months. No wonder it molded. KEK

>>1311399

Yes roundup is known to be horrific. I dont believe he was referring to that but these:

https://www. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5278731/

more research is set to come out soon.

>>1311457

From my understanding, Italy has banned GMOs. So when I do by store bought pastas, I look for made in Italy (organic or course)

>>1311457

wow. thank you. I will try this. the basic organic flour I buy so far has been fine - but I am hearing that our organic foods are also in trouble (if not compromised already).

One of my goals is to invest in a wheat grinder. parents always had one. Just found out there is an attachment I can get for my stand mixer that is affordable.

>>1311515

I was just looking for it. I will have to crank up my old laptop. It must be there. I will find it and post it for you. Yeah, it doesn't take that long. Once you filter into jars you need to store for a few more weeks I believe, then it's done. Mine came out great. I use it every day. Just be careful what types of lids you use - I lost a couple jars because the lids were metal and they rusted into the apple cider. Do'h!

>>1311534

I looked into getting a grinder. I have a Kitchenaid stand mixer and they have an attachment. But in reading the reviews they said it overheated and in some cases it ruined their stand mixer.

I would love to find a grinder and grow my own wheat and other grains. Last year we tried growing corn but we lost it all due to the critters.

>>1311538

Oops! wrong post.

Meant to post to ….

>>1311496

>>1311515

I do that too. this thread is timely as its a good reminder that I need to get off my ass and make my own pasta anyway.

I tried my hand at breads from scratch. i am not a master of the yeast yet.

I also got paranoid about the yeast options out there.

>>1311534

a lot of the "certified organic" and "non-gmo" breads out there made me sick, so that's why I decided to just make my own when I need it.

The sad thing is that people think that when they see these labels, that the product in them means they are 100% organic and non-gmo. Not true! I researched this a while back and from memory, I think it was only 80-90% organic or non-gmo and it will pass for being certified with these labels. So, for me, it doesn't mean anything anymore. I only try to buy 1 ingredient list items only with as little processing as possible.

>>1311450

excellent progress anon

congrats to you

i have many fails!

but also many successes

Sourdough bread - known simply as "bread" until prepackaged yeast, is extremely important.

Grain becomes nutritious after it is processed, and the easiest way is by microbes.

Otherwise much of its nutrition is unavailable.

Remember for when the SHTF.

>>1311457

try spelt too

low gluten and easy to get organic

>>1311482

>Pink Himilayan salt

i like this a lot but find it pretty mild?

didnt add enough salt for my cheese making

went back to sea salt

ever try redmond salt? great and mined in USA

we feed feed grade to our livestock - they make a food grade too

>>1311515

russia too!

check out russia tank tomatoes

impressive operation

kek

>>1311534

a small manual grinder is actually better unless you need large amounts

reliable and less heat

i grind as i go a cup or 2 at a time

>>1311656

i ordered acorn flour once

it gave me hives = gluten

found out it was wheat

threatened them and got $4000 for my trouble

>>1310686

I like that, thanks for sharing anon

I know a little about a lot-organic gardening, chickens, maple syrup and natural living in general. We live light in the city. Questions? I’m happy to help. :)

>>1311608

For yeast I make a starter with pineapple juice, milk, and flour. Add to it each day, put in cupboard until you got enough then put in fridge and at least once a week add to it.

Remember Amish friendship bread? Made like this.

>>1311658

trust me… i fail as well…

It's like I try to learn a skill until I get a good outcome, then move on to the next one. My skill set includes wine, sourdough starter, bread, sour cream, cream cheese, butter (make this more frequently) pasta, canned goods.

If I live in a city, I would try a new thing instead of going to the mall.

>>1311949

Have a source to obtain rabbits for a SHTF scenario.

>>1310933

That is what I do too. Most web sites will show you enough of something to make it yourself if you are handy. One my many hobbies is microcontrollers, so I can make the control systems myself most of the time. The raspberry pi is your best friend.

>>1311065

I do the same, but on a larger scale.

You can get rolls of black plastic mulch 1 mil thick in 4000ft rolls, and drip-tape in 7500ft rolls pretty reasonable. No weeds.

>>1311074

Got out the year Bush jr. won.

>>1311228

Best way to cook dried beans is ion a pressure cooker.

30 minutes and you are eating. No soaking or simmering for hours.

Growing dry beans are the best because they are easy to save for years, and you don't have to pick them everyday like regular green beans.

>>1311259

I don't get anything for this link but this book is the easiest bread book in the world.

https://artisanbreadinfive.com/

The five minute bread book is so simple it is stupid, and the bread is fantastic.

Disclaimer: Bread is one of the foods you should avoid eating. It is not good for you, but it tastes good.

>>1312323

Yes, I got the texture down, but I want a recipe similar to Bushes baked beans classic. Haven't found it yet.

I have been experimenting with the dehydrator lately. My pototoes from last year were losing their firmness, so I dehydrated the rest of them.

>>1311269

Supply and demand thing. That is the best reason to get started. You can keep bees in your back yard on a descent lot in a major city.

There are a lot of beekeepers in New York City. They put them on the roofs of tall buildings.

I am watching a cow give birth. They don't usually come so close to the house, so I haven't seen it yet. Exciting.

>>1311277

Unfortunately, most organic, even certified organic, is suspect. YMMV.

If you want good food, you have to grow it yourself. If you use heirloom varieties of seeds, they are NON-GMO by design.

Ok, I'll weigh in.

Small farmer anon here. 160 acres in north latitude. Old farmhouse, well water, wood heat. Livestock: 24 hens with crowing rooster, jersey cow and almost grown calf, 2 goats, and about 30 sheep at present (10 due for slaughter in a couple weeks - I slaughter myself). Two dogs, a passel of barn cats. Been here over a decade, have a garden, a few fruit trees (planning on adding more). Before here, was in southern climes for 20 years. Every year I add more to the homestead, either perennials or implements for my 35 horse tractor. I bake my own bread, grow my own food as much as possible.

I grew up in the burbs, and made the transition to country when I was 21.

Ask me and if I know, I will tell you. I can recommend a lot of good books - many available free online, actually. I can point you to websites. And I am willing to share what I have learned the hard way. Short of doxxing myself, of course.

>>1312379

honey sells for $80 gallon.

>>1312406

Not here. $12 a quart, raw.

>>1312394

Truly… roundup is everywhere.. you can't avoid it. Even in your hydroponics.. it's in the water.

>>1312415

I truly live in the middle of nowhere. Kek

>>1312412

Have you ever actually built one of these? They get clogged with creosote and other impurities. This tech has improved, if you look for it you'll find it. Recommend purchase plans from Mother Earth News.

>>1311291

Last year a guy gave me about 100lbs. of apples. Canned pie filling, applesauce, apple butter, apple juice, and dried apple rings until I thought I was going to die. Have enough left to last me years.

Never turn down free food. Never waste free food. Learn to preserve food. It isn't hard, just follow the guidelines, and think clean.

>>1311314

Was going to do that, but all I have is cottonwood and pine trees. Don't work good for that. Not off the table yet though.

>>1312443

I can see it being that expensive in Alaska. But there are lots of hives on farms around here, so you can get truly local honey for $12 a quart. Helps with allergies, by the way, if you consume local honey that's not pasteurized. However, NEVER give a baby unpasteurized honey. No child should be given uncooked honey until they are past the age of 2 and have a fully functioning immune system.

>>1312399

good to have you anon

>>1312448

You can always barter extras. Or, if you have a lot of extra food, get a pig.

Expert Grower, canning, food preservation person here. Hunter, etc. A prepper.

Will help with anything you need. Recipes. Go Bag lists. Tactical First Aid.

>>1312481

Yeah, I should be out mucking out cow manure right now, but… it can wait a bit.

>>1312486

>>1312448

we have what used to be called back yard pigs

smaller heritage breed like american guinea hog

they require very little extra food and graze and dig all day so you need a good space for em

but they eat all the extras

grass fed pork is red meat and VERY lean

very different that what you are used to

after you get used to it regular pork is gross

same as chicken

consider it corn meat - yuk

>>1311362

They also take the germ out of the wheat and see/use it for something else. That is the part you want. Milling you own flour is the way to go. Mills are not cheap, but again, not difficult. Bulk wheat berries are cheap.

>>1312501

i need fishing advice

no one will tell me shit here

its like a newbie on 8chan

>>1312399

how about cheesemaking?

>>1312505

just milked my jersey

cheese making tonight

cappacino in the am

>>1312495

I agree, it's good tech to have the ability to do. Strongly recommend, if things fall apart it will be a huge barter point for you.

I will say that if things were to fall apart where it wood gas would be necessary, we won't be driving cars for very long because the roads will become impassable right quick without the constant maintenance that asphalt requires.

>>1312540

can you make cheese without buying stuff (rennet) from store? Like Heidi's grandfather?

>>1312529

What are you fishing Anon? Stream, lake, ocean? Are you looking for fishing tackle for survival situation or just recreational?

>>1311586

I use a vitamix blender. It's 5hp, commercial grade, will grind your wheat and also make smoothies. They are a little expensive but worth every penny.

>>1312535

Haven't gotten to hard cheeses yet. Mozzarella, cottage cheese, cream cheese - I make my own butter. I need to get my girl freshened so she's back up to her 3 gallons/milking. Right now I'm down to 1 gal per milking and I use that right up.

How about you, what are you making, farmers?

>>1312564

A smoker is a good investment to preserve those fishys

>>1312540

I bought a herd share so that I could have good fresh raw milk. No way I could go back to store bought milk. You are so fortunate to have your own cow.

>>1312535

cheesefag here

do you have a source of milk?

i make raw milk farm chedder and can do it in my sleep if you want details

you can do it with store bought but i wouldnt do that unless its organic as the whole point is to know what goes in

>>1312582

Mozzarella is pretty easy Anon. Cottage cheese takes some time. Butter… not so hard either.

I have fruit trees, raspberries, blackberries, strawberries. Tons of Asparagus. A Barn ready for a couple of jersies, pigs and goats. Adding chickens this next year. building and getting a coup ready now

>>1312582

I have beef cows, no longer dairy. But.. I do make with organic cream. Makes it expensive.

>>1312562

yes there is a great fresh soft cheese you can make with baking soda

have to dig the recipe i got from amish lady'its like brie if you use fresh whole raw millk

very good but we make cheese mostly for storage of excess milk

>>1312585

Yes… I have a couple of smokers. I dehydrate a lot too. Store it in airtight mason jars or a food saver unit. (expensive and unpractical)

>>1312562

You can make soft cheeses without rennet. Use a souring agent like vinegar or lemon juice to make it curd up, then gather the curds by pouring through cheesecloth or thin muslin. Rinse, salt to taste, add chives or whatever and enjoy.

If you have thistles, you can use them to make a form of vegetable rennet, but have to be careful not to overdo because it tastes bitter. I haven't done this, just read about it. I buy rennet. If things go south, I'll butcher a veal calf and keep the first stomach lining for rennet.

>>1312611

Yes, mozz is a snap. Butter too. I let my extra milk sour naturally to make the cottage cheese.

>>1311369

I think in Washington state is is illegal to catch rain water. Might just be in or around Seattle. Dumbest thing I have ever heard.

You know how much water falls out of the sky there? I double dog dare you to catch enough to make a difference.

I also grow a ton of herbs.. horseradish, which comes in handy and can be made into a gas, much like pepper spray. :-)

>>1312611: Butter: 1. let cream get to room temp. 2. pour to fill half way in a container. 3. put lid on and shake maybe 15 minutes. 4. rinse with cold water in cheesecloth. 5. squeeze out water and whey. Butter.

>>1312564

i live in midwest

lots of stocked fresh water resevoirs

i like fish but only want what i catch

not for subsistence just variety

if i could catch a bass i would be thrilled

the lakes are stocked but there are so many variables!

time of year, water temp recent rainfall etc etc

and then theres the "spot" no one will tell!

>>1312655

That is just stupid. You could bury a rain barrel Anon. Catch it with your gutters.

>>1312618

You actually can milk a beefer. The milk won't have as much cream, but it's perfectly fine. Just have to get the big girl used to having her teats pulled by hand.

>>1312564

i have a rod and reel and lots of tackle that i dont know what it is

doh!

>>1312603

I attempted one raw milk source and was politely turned down. I have a couple more resources to try. I heard that if you write a receipt that the intended use is for milk paint, farmers are more willing to sell.

Or consider barter. I make speghetti sauce to die for.

>>1312598

Raw is so much better. Buying a herd share is a good way to get it without having the tedium of caring for the critter. It is a daily chore. I like it, though, I milk by hand. I know my cow very well.

>>1312582

i also make yogurt the ez way

even my amish friends do it now

take half gallon fresh hot from the udder

put 1/2 tsp mesophilic C culture and leave in a warm place for 18-24 hours

in the first 12 open and stir to give oxygen and keep cream mixed

leaver overnight

refrigerate th next am

there is a bit if whey but its so easy and good i dont cook for yogurt any more

i eat it with maple syrup

wow its good

>>1311399

Round up and GMO are two different things. Both not good.

Most crops are GMO. They have been modified in one way or another. Though science or through centuries of breeding. Corn is a grass. Didn't used to look like it does hundreds of years ago.

No one ate tomatoes before about 1840.

They thought they were poison because animals will not eat the leaves. They are in the nightshade family. Fun thing to do is if you are watching a movie that takes place in an older time, watch and see if they have tomato sauce on their spaghetti. If so, the research department dropped the ball.

>>1312685

ahh.. well… you first had to decide what type of fish you are wanting to fish for, where and then…. Head off to hook tube/ suck tube and you will find tons of vids to help you.

If I lived close… it's easier to teach … one on one how to fish

>>1312698

It's illegal in some states to sell raw milk. I'm lucky, it's legal here if the buyer comes to the farm. I sell milk when I have more than I do now, and I sell my extra eggs as well. I give away to my neighbors, as we all share what we have. It's good will.

You may have better luck getting the milk if you swear it's for your cats, not for you. Barter may also work, because if fednotes don't exchange hands, it's not technically selling the milk but they give it to you. And you aren't selling your sauce, but giving it to them. Just keep your mouth shut about it, don't brag on it.

>>1312670

Anon… I too live in the midwest, and previously lived on a lake. Taking environmental classes, I discovered that the lakes I lived on had excess PCBs and eating fish from my lakes was not safe. Of course nobody living on the lakes knew this.

If fishing in lake, look up for safety. River's and streams are usually safer.

>>1311450

We eat Zoodles (zucchini noodles) instead of pasta. Get a zoodler on Amazon.

>>1312598

its a labor of love to own one

i have a surge milker

way too much for me by hand

$2000 in equipment plus the jersey and a stanchion i built

plus some cleaning special items - mainly 160 degree hot water

im good to go

ps - we do OAD milking (once a day)

>>1312725

Always had a hard time keeping my horses out of the tomatoes. always walking my pastures on the lookout for nightshades. Deadly to stock animals.

>>1312698

milk for PETS

thats the ticket

>>1311457

I can just drive over there in a short time.

>>1312655

i was born and raised in seattle

it was spectacular in the 1970's

got out iwhen i saw that i would have to rent my house from the govt (property taxes)

not to mention all the libtards and progfags that moved there

>>1311457

What type of grinder do you uses Anon? I have a Country living Grain Mills. Words great.

>>1312723

I just use frozen starter from the last batch, stir it in hot from the teat like you. Then I put it into a half gallon jar (I make about 1/2 gallon at a time, use mason wide mouth), put the jar in a bucket and pour hot water in to the top of the milk in the jar. Wrap with towels. Check and change the water with more hot when it starts to get cool. Usually makes in just 6 hours if you pay attention. I do drain it, keep the whey to make bread with - it gives a crunchy crust and tender crumb bread. That way I have greek style yogurt. Just stir home made jam into it to make it like store bought, but I usually just dollop honey in if I want it sweet.

It's all good.

>>1312733

Good point you bring up.

I grow beef. Son has pork and eggs. We all have venison. I am thinking of doing rabbits this year. Will get a 6 x 8 dog chain link "cage?" and move every day on organic lawn. Butcher when the snow falls.

I have to watch freezer space. I have 3 refrigerators with freezers that run year round. One large stand up freezer that the beef fills up. One medium chest freezer for the pig. In spring I combine and shut off chest freezer. Brother in law does meat chickens.

>>1312725

yes anon you are correct

gmo is not wrong per se

its the purpose that is evil when it is to facilitate roundup or other chemicals

OMG that is a disaster

>>1312726

sigh

>>1312796

Missed pointing out your good point.

The idea is to think community. If you make a family or community, everyone can play a part so that all have what they need and no one has to do all things. My family isn't in for money.. we just cover costs fairly. Son doesn't give pigs antibiotics - feeds them organic garlic. Three years… no probs.

>>1312796

Warning on the rabbits. They will tunnel out. Prodigious diggers. You could put a metal mesh on the floor of the dog run, the grass will still come up through the mesh for them to graze.

>>1312739

yeah

if the govt tells you ONE serving per week is safe (!) then you know the real answer is ZERO

>>1312745

great idea

im in

zucchini coming soon!

>>1312725

honey bees are also not native to America

>>1312670

Live in the Midwest as well. Right on a rather large river.

>>1312745

do they call it that or is a spiralizer?

>>1312792

i miss my home made bread

gluten no can do

>>1312677

Interesting for future thoughts, but my beef are not handled, and surely wouldn't allow milking at this time.

Oh.. and mama cow just had her calf.. sweet.

>>1312745

Same here Anon. We practice a ketogenic lifestyle. HubsAnon is struggling with Cancer and we are very careful about what we eat

>>1312748

I started out with a machine that a friend gave to me, and my girl was fine with that because she came from a small dairy farm with machine milking. But I have transitioned both her and myself to hand milking. I like it better. She's still not sure, it takes longer than the machine, but I give her a little extra grain for her patience.

>>1312598

I haven't drank milk in forty years. I stopped drinking it as a kid because when I went to uncle's farm it tasted so good and went home and wouldn't drink it anymore.;

>>1312854

Sorry to hear that. Can I recommend something for you to try healing your gut with?

>>1312391

Wow! Can you post some pics (w/o doxxing yourself)?

>>1312633

Another thought anons is to purchase grocery items in glass jars that you can reuse. My honey friend buys brand new mason jars for his honey harvest… I buy coconut oil in jars and save them (much to anal spouse's disapproval)

>>1312859

They are cuties, aren't they? Is it a heifer calf or a bull calf?

'Cause if it's a heifer, you could start it out right ;) for future milking.

>>1312703

I don't think herd share is common here, but I will investigate

ThankQ

>>1312757

never thought of that one.

>>1312900

hahahaha… I can relate. I would actually have bees…. if I were not deathly allergic. :-(

>>1312900

Here's another thing to try, if you want. Ask local restaurants and bakeries for their throwaway food-quality buckets and jars. Just wash them up and you can store dry foods in them.

>>1312830

thanks for tip anon..

>>1312890

I thought of that earlier anon, but recalled that the anons from 4 chan followed Shia LeBouf for months when he posted a pic of his flag. Not willing to dox. sorry

>>1312938

if you have a pizza joint… that buckets they get are great!! I pick them up for free most of the time. Great advice anon

>>1312914

This is a family farm… not very progressive…. YET

>>1312887

sure

but my gut is better than ever now

i believe the reaction was glypshosate gluten combo

we we making a lot of bread and suddenly BANG

the rash is unbearable and nothing touches it

just wait it out

so im not keen to try gluten again

>>1312824

Garlic is a great wormer. Also wormwood, black walnut hulls, tansy - heck, even diatomaceous earth (food grade).

When you source your food from people that you trust, you know it will be healthy for you to eat.

As to the good point - community is very very important. Be good to your neighbors, share what you have. Be willing to lend a hand if you can. When you live out in the sticks, your neighbor is your lifeline, and you are his. Too many folk think they will just buy a cabin in the woods and hermit it and be fine. That's not how it works, and you won't last in the country if you act like a stuck up prick.

>>1312915

Every state has different laws about buying raw milk. You need to research how to legally buy it in your state. It is the most ridiculous thing not to be able to buy good wholesome milk.

>>1312960

No problem. This one I give you from experience ;). You don't want to have to spend the next three months hunting down the rabbits that got out - that have an inordinate fondness for your garden.

>>1312988

Time and need have a way of changing things. <g>

>>1312998

Yes, glyphosate is foul stuff.

There are some ayurvedic supplements that actually work very well to heal the digestive tract.

>>1312884

I don't blame you. It is a world of difference.

The same with eggs, imo. I have a hard time stomaching restaurant eggs. Commercial eggs have a metallic taste and the yolks are so pale. It's like you can taste the hens' distress in the eggs.

>>1311656

I buy ingredients and make everything from scratch. Nothing out of a box.

I live too far away to ever eat fast food, and I rarely eat at restaurants because some use MSG in their food, and it gives me a terrible headache. By the way, MSG has about a million different names now.

>>1313009

And also to you anons with food allergies. Do you pray over your food? When it's prepared, as well as when you eat it. I wave my left hand in a circle over my plate with the intention to "protect me from any harmful effects that could be in my food… known or unknown".

Works for your car too. Everytime I drive I picture a bubble of white light and make a quirkly Donald Trump hand movement to bless my car to bring me home safe again. I forgot once, and had a minor fender scrape. Another time the prayer protected me on icy roads (cars in wrong lanes, me in the middle… you get the point.)

>>1313125

You do know that commercial chicken farms have discovered a way to raise chickens without wings; they sit in their own soil for their entire life. crowded too. All to taint the meat with adrenoline.

So I don't quite get the andrenochrome thing. The satanists want it, but it's bad for the rest of us???

>>1313138

Well done anon… I am about 75/25 scratch/store. Hope to improve. Time is always a factor.

>>1312083

My buy vs. rent was for a backhoe. If you are only going to use it for a week or two, rent. Otherwise it is a better investment to buy it, the resell it when done.

Buying a new car is for suckers like you said. I have bought cars for $50 and driven them for years. A car to me is something that takes me from point A to B. Don't really care how it looks as long as it is dependable. I usually buy cars that were made prior to 1990. Easier to work on.

Vermicoompost along with your gardening plans.

>>1313138

My well intentioned daughter raises pigs. Her inlaws own a bar/restaurant. They save all the wasted "food" in 5 gallon bucket, so she literally doesn't have to pay for pig food. It's better than commercial where they feed pigs.. pigs (cannabalism), but I get my pig from son who is more like minded.

You are what you eat. At one time I was fast, cheap, and easy. Not anymore…(went through cancer).

>>1312093

The problem with the reusable lids is it increases the cost of canning quite a bit.

It basically doubles the price of a jar.

I buy the lids in bulk. last time I got 30 dozen, 360 lids for $56.00 free shipping.

Split it with a neighbor.

>>1313280

You are correct. The ideal would be to have a balance. If SHTF, you won't have access to lids. You will have to make do with what you have. I just each year stockpile on both.

>>1312378

I have started dehydrating almost everything. My spouse thinks I'm nuts.

>>1312391

Watch closely. That is what a really good mother is like. Humans should be more like that.

>>1313309

Question for you anon. I had intended to dehydrate potatoes, then food chopper them for instant mashed potatoes. Total fail.. I have potato flour. I was thinking that if instead of chopping or slicing taters, I should prepare them like hash browns before dehydrating. they would chop better.

Any suggestions?

>>1312406

I live about 12 miles from a large honey processing plant. They sell it by weight. 5 lbs. $14.00.

Around here the homey companies put the hives in farmers fields. They pay them with tubs of honey. I have a few that I kow that either don't want it, or have too much and they just give it to me, or I trade vegetables. It is surprising how many large acreage farmers don't grow any food to eat. Wheat and barley farmers that farm thousands of acres, don't grow a single tomato. They buy everything at the supermarket.

>>1313320

I had heard that in medieval EU, in the pagan/druid era… that a person had access to 7 generations of their ancestors… that would be why they knew what plants helped for what, etc. Watching the calf being born, I wondered how she knew what to do. What if in all other species, they have the memories of 7 generations, and that humans have simply forgot (not necessarily by choice).

We have forgotten how to play the game

>>1312399

Welcome. I look forward to your knowledgeable input.

>>1313320

Hmm. I have some thoughts on that, that has to do with epigenetics and the alteration that people undergo when they are truly converted - but this is not the thread for that.

>>1313392

I believe I researched and found there is an old EO (JFK era if not mistaken) that says the govt can … in a state of emergency (which we are in now) confiscate all goods (food, weapons, fuel, etc.) for the good of the all.

I think we should find that EO and ask POTUS to rescind it. Put it on his twitter.

>>1313421

I could be wrong, but I think 12 ounces of honey equates to a pound of honey. I will let you do the math, because I am having cocktails…

>>1313393

Mash them then dehydrate them.

http://thehomesteadinghippy.com/make-dehydrated-potato-flakes-scratch/

>>1312486

Neighbor raises prize winning slaughter hogs. No pork shortage here. That is where my silage goes in the fall. Ialso have a couple of tubs of red worms that I use to compost. they eat everything that the chickens don't get, except meat and oils.

>>1312547

which brings us back to

>>1312412

>How will you run your generator when you can't get fuel?

>>1313449

>>1313320 - sorry, answered wrong post

>>1313205 - it was meant for this post

>>1313496

You are right. This is a good conversion for generators. Also, I am interested in it for my 35hp ford tractor, because I frankly don't want to go back to plowing with horses.

>>1313392

here!! whatcha need Anon?

>>1313320

From what I understand, cows are sent to market if they don't show good mothering characteristics.

I am fortunately blessed, my children have all chosen partners that value good parenting. I see some of my children's peers, and I feel bad for their parents. "How did I ever raise such a child?"

There is so much brainwashing from our children's education. WE missed the boat. We must share the blame. (we meaning the parents of the millennials)

I am disgusted at what I thought were fine individuals being so selfish in their own lives/needs that they put themselves priority over their children.

>>1313491

Sounds like a good setup.

>>1310202

Research Aquaponics with a solar battery bank. Hydroponics needs chemicals that imitate fish waste. Farm the fish (Tilapia) and grow your vegetables/fruits/herbs at the same time. If you do it indoors you can do it year round.

>>1313177

Cho ku rei symbol Anon? Reiki symbol for protection? (Reiki Master here)

>>1313491

My Gram said that they used to slaughter a pig and put it in a barrel of sawdust (layered) in the basement. Said they didn't spoil.

Similar to the idea that you must refrigerate eggs. My auntie had them in the basement near the wood stove. Lasted for weeks.

Don't recommend not refrigerating store bought eggs.. only home grown.

>>1312535

Just acquired a small refrigerator that I can modify the controls on to make a dedicated Blue cheese fridge. Cheese is not hard to make. Most soft cheeses like mozzarella and ricotta are really easy. Once you start, you won't ever buy them again. Check out www.cheesemaking.com

>>1313584

Ty.. will check out site.. my focus is on making cheese the old fashioned way with out depending on the system.

>>1312562

You can always get a sheep, and save the stomach.

>>1312635

You are a wealth of new info to me. ThankQ

>>1313425

>We have forgotten how to play the game

exactly

my wife remembered after many years of trying

its spooky to watch

if we were not together 30+ years i would think she was looney

but i know shes not so….

>>1312603

I live in a state that has more cows than people. I think 12 are dairy cows.

Beef, it's what's for dinner.

>>1313571

I am Reiki level 2. Had opportunity to go for level 3, but felt I wasn't ready/ master wasn't qualified.

I will say though, that after level one, my only practice was on old dog. Old dog was doing very poorly.. many tumors. Still has them and is now 18 years old. Success?

>>1313645

success.. but the body does with Reiki what the body needs…

and… you are wise to wait.. took me 4-5 years to feel confident enough for Reiki Master.

>>1313626

Please expound on wife remembering….

My mate is amazed when I tell him certain things. Like recently his mom made a dish for sunday dinner that she rarely makes… or when I make a meal that he was thinking of and didn't mention (sorry, my life revolves around food)…

I often have the experience of reading my spouse's mind. Makes him nervous. kek

>>1313517

woodgas generators are short term solutions.

long term… set up still and convert to running your tractor on moonshine.

>>1313619

My pleasure. And now, I have to finish up chores and close up the barn for the night. Good night anons.

Book recommendation for newbies to country life: Carla Emery's "The Encyclopedia of Country Living" - and if you get a chance, take a look at the Foxfire series of books as well. All should be available in your local library or through an interlibrary loan.

Shadilay, anons!

This Thread is Awesome!!!

I wanted to share my experience. I started about 4 months ago. I live in a lower income neighborhood in Fly-0ver Country. I wanted to post because you don't need to buy 10 acres or put allot of effort into starting to be self sustainable. I have turned my small backyard into a small farm for my family.

We use a hybrid of raised beds, Kratky method hydroponics (painted Home Depot buckets) and PVC tubes. In these we are now growing our own lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, beats, beans, corn, okra, potatoes and other vegetables. I am working now on creating a small stock of fish to not only eat but to use their waste to feed the plants we are growing.

Not only is this helping our monthly grocery bills but it feels REAL GOOD sitting down to dinner knowing where the food has come from plus the feeling of pride doesn't hurt.

>>1313671

Thank you for that. Reiki master is a personal friend with many "gifts". So I trust her… until I realized that she was pushing the Reiki stuff to fast. I feel that I am only at level one. The universe will provide me with a new teacher when I am ready. The universe provided me with an excuse not to go to level 3 without hurting friend's feelings.

Love the universe. Confused with the multiverse… but willing to take the ride.

>>1312671

I don't live there, just remember reading about it. I catch all the rain I want. Then just pour it out on the ground to spite those Washingtonians.

>>1312685

Depending on what you have now, you may need to get rid of all of it, and get the right stuff. Go to your local sporting goods store, find the oldest guy working there and ask him what you need.

>>1313528

we live among amish communities

they are organized as congregations of 15-20 families - large families mostly

each has its own school

their 12 year olds are more trustworthy than most adults i know

>>1313720

I can relate. took my time. It was a complicated process as I have other gifts and they tend to conflict. I am an Empath… a very strong one at that. Learning to shut it down was the hard part

>>1313577

once they have washed they must be refrigerated

unwashed they last a long while

we also store the spring flush of eggs in a hydrated lime water solution - fresh and raw

last for over a year!

we have a 3-4 month gap in laying so its no problem at all

>>1312723

My spouse keeps using all of our milk for yogurt. We have a snazzy pressure cooker that has a yogurt setting. Very easy.

>>1313602

i store mine in a root cellar

temp is not so critical with cheese aging as humidity

temp a little high means matures faster

lower longer

but humidity will mold the cheese or dry it out

i tried all sorts of coatings inc wax

now i just air dry to the touch then rub with salt

after a few months there is a rind that the pigs get

works good with less effort

>>1313640

not that theres anything wrong with that!

i dont care for grain fed and feed lot though

>>1312792

My dogs love the whey drained out when making cheese or yogurt.

>>1313682

its too much

i will say she seems to know an awful lot about trump and the great awakening and what is going on in the world

esp for a person who didnt know much about history or anything else purely academic

(im a history/law/bookfag)

plus a lot of other odd stuff

but otherwise shes exactly the same

go figure

>>1313708

well done anon

its an eye opener to process your own food!

>>1313720

i wish i had a reiki master

i would even love an accupressure massage

its been a long time

no one here can do it

>>1313749

walmart

need i say more?

>>1312838

Italy and Russia mostly.

>>1312843

A lot of different names for them. Mine looks like a vegetable peeler. Had zoodles tonight for dinner. Sauce from last years garden tomatoes.

>>1313986

I can send long distance. but it is better for me to know your loc. and a pic of yourself. you'd have to dox

>>1313986

better not to dox yourself. Anon.

If any of you fags have a freshwater aquarium, you can grow herbs and other water fairing plants like lettuces. Same sorta set up as hydro but without nutrients because the fish make the food for the plants.

>>1312938

I get the square white 3 gallon buckets from everywhere I can. Then make them into Dutch buckets for hydroponics.

>>1313177

nice digits

>>1313010

Got Milk?

Only store bought. That is why. Dairy board lobby.

>>1310385

The BIGGEST problem you're going to have is to realize exactly how much food you need to feed yourself for a year. 2 acres, all used for growing, depending on the zone may not be anywhere near enough. 5a or to 7a or so…. perfect. Higher than around 7 or lower than 5, royal pain in the ass. Higher than 7 I'm talking about 100+ temps in summer for 2-3 months straight or more when nothing grows and you're stuck growing all winter. Lower than 5a…. you're stuck with cold winter for 8 months and only have 4 months to grow. I'm in 5b and I have to produce all the food I need for the entire year in about 4 to 6 months, depending on the weather.

Learn all you can about Albrecht and put in to practice everything you can afford to put into practice ASAP. Logan Labs for soil testing is an absolute requirement. There are a FEW other labs that will test for micro-nutrients but you can NOT afford to skimp on those micros.

Chickens are a damn good idea…. keep enough that you can have eggs every morning. Feed them all the leftover scraps from your garden and do your level best to stay away from commercial chicken feed. Grow a few rows of dry corn and feed it to them in the winter if you must.

You don't have enough land to honestly raise your own pigs or cattle IMHO. Goats might be an option, milk them.

Assume that everything that's NOT from your farm is poisoned and eat accordingly. Do your research into bentonite clay for detox and baking soda and water for alkalinity- makes a great cancer treatment.

Fasting is one of the best things you can do for your own health. Be careful if you're drugged up though… fasting can really fuck your meds up. I recommend AT LEAST a week. 2-3 weeks isn't a bad idea. Hell if you're over weight fast until you're a normal weight again. Do some research into the longest fasts… I've read tales of 400lb people fasting until they hit 200lbs and it took a few months. It gets super easy after the first 3 days of hell.

Remember your body is simply a thermodynamic engine. Think of it as a little campfire that never gets very big. It can only burn so much fuel every day. If you feed it too much fuel it's turned right into fat.

One cabbage plant will make about 4-6 cups of sauerkraut depending on how big it is. Learn how to make sauerkraut from salt and cabbage, found in the book Root Cellaring by Bubbell or something like that. NOT canned sauerkraut….. the probiotics in the naturally fermented sauerkraut are super good for you.

Well this book is long enough. :)

>>1313125

Made fresh egg omlette for breakfast this morning from eggs that were 20 minutes old, and have very dark yolks from being free range and eating grass and bugs.

>>1314077

no thanks you but i like the physical part

my wife sends good energy my way all the time but i cant beg a massage out of her!

>>1313228

Time is always a factor especially in the Summer. I just fast on those days. hahaha

>>1310713

People don't realize how vulnerable they are right now. Do you know how to use a scythe to cut grass? Do you know how to run a wheel hoe? Do you know how far apart common garden plants are spaced? Do you know what garden plants get along with each other and what plants don't? Do you know the role of flowers in the garden? Do you know the role of birds bugs, bees in the garden? Can you make even ONE part on a car? Can you sole your own shoes? Can you sew your own clothes without power? Can you cut your own hair without electricity? Can you sharpen your own knives without electricity? Can you make a bucket with things you find in the woods? The list goes on and on and on. I keep multiple reference books on multitudes of subjects and I've read many of them. I'm a jack of all trades by trade, also known as a handyman. Can you braze your own metal? Can you weld without electricity? Can you…. can you…. can you… the list goes on and on and on. Fortunately, many of these things are available to the common man in reference books and once you understand the basics. Once you understand that you're viewing these words thanks to the power of a light switched on and off…. understanding the end process becomes much easier. 010101100110001111001111 is all that this computer is made of at a very basic level. When you understand the relationship between paint roller speed and water spray, things become much easier to understand. Start at the very basics and the end result becomes much easier to understand.

>>1314233

Much better then doxing yourself. ;-)

>>1313274

it is amazing how little you have to feed a pig to get them to grow as big as they get.

Completely different from a steer.

>>1312603

Where I am it's illegal to sell unpasteurized milk. You can use if it's your own stock but not others'.

>>1314191

well thats a big does of reality anon

we picked our homestead location based on weather first - having already made that error!

as you apparently know

we are all more or less fucked but we can improve our lot substantially

people dont realize that all flesh is grass - which means you gotta have hay to raise livestock - hay is the most important frm product

now factory farms use concentrated feed grains that produce unhealthy meat

but to grass (hay in winter) feed requires more space - way more

so they dont

as far as fasting we do that every day - ie we BREAKFAST every morning - every day no food or drink for 12 hours - so if you eat breakfast at 7 do the math

we have fasted for periods too but this is so much better

just like excercise

nothing beats every day routine

blessing anon

>>1314218

I can't eat store eggs anymore…free range is the only way,

>>1313393

I have not tried it, but like making hashed browns, you bake the potaotes first then shred them. Might bake, shred, dehydrate.

>>1313455

Doesn't the 3rd. amendment to the Constitution say something about that.

Quartering soldiers in your home. Prohibited in peacetime. Might be interpreted to include food, etc.

>>1313577

There is no need to refrigerate fresh eggs that have never been washed. The are coated with the "bloom" from the hen. Once washed, they need to be refrigerated. All store bought eggs need refrigeration.

Most other countries don't refrigerate their eggs. They are sold in open markets.

>>1313691

Or drink the shine and watch the tractor just sit there.

>>1313708

Good job anon!

Last year I grew some watermelons using the Kratky method. It worked, but coast to much because of the amount of water used. I use it for lettuce.

>>1314532

thats what we do

(bourbon country)

anons btw i am sure you know not to use flouride toothpaste

so toms is expensive and not as good as it used to be

switched to plain baking soda

takes a little getting used to but now i cant tolerate regular toothpaste

cheap and healthy and works great

>>1314323

>>1311534

I love my restel hand grinder AND electric grinder. Other good hand wheat grinders out there as well.

>>1312406

$42 a gallon in western iowa. Been that price for years. Little jars are $12 for 1-2 cups though.

>>1313083

what about sourdough bread and organic home milled grains?

>>1313177

>Do you pray over your food? When it's prepared, as well as when you eat it. I wave my left hand in a circle over my plate with the intention to "protect me from any harmful effects that could be in my food… known or unknown".

I've thought that's why it's been so important to pray before meals.

>>1312093

>>1313280

>>1313305

I reuse normal canning lids. So far on my 3rd year on some of them. The question you must ask yourself- Is the rubber covering ALL of the sealing part? If it is…. then you can reuse it. Also…. will it rust out before you use the food? And NEVER store canning jars with the rings on. I actually left rings on some applesauce jars and went to open them a couple years later and the sugars had sealed the rings on. Ended up giving myself a nice gash before I realized all I needed to do was run it under hot water to loosen the rings.

>>1313425

Also reminds me of the wood cutters in Sweden. They planted trees that they would never cut and they cut trees planted 7 generations before.

>>1313517

>I frankly don't want to go back to plowing with horses.

Don't need to plow. A good cultivator will do wonders for the land without plowing. I LIKE to plow but I don't NEED to plow.

I run a two wheel walk behind David Bradley. Works Great. Just set one up with 4 wheel weights, a ball lock single face clutch, and I have nearly all the attachments they sold for them new other than a cart, cordwood saw and a few rare ones. I also set up a chisel plow which I can sink 12" deep and run through the garden on my first pass. And I just have a loam. It's not easy because the way I have it set up it wants to keep going deeper so I need some wheels to keep it from going so deep. I run 5-15 ag tires. Once I got the ball lock clutch and hooked the chisel plow on the edge of some cement and started the puppy up it started burning out on the cement. I used to have a old style spring lock clutch but that thing didn't hold the power for shit. According to the Nebraska Farm Tractor Tests the DB in this configuration will put 3HP to the ground. I also put my disc on today, and was able to sink the disc into the sod up to the axles and pull right through, that was after chisel plowing. The Bradley is an awesome machine.

>>1313708

I currently live in a small town in flyover corn and beans horizon to horizon country. Beautiful black dirt zone 5a. My lot is 150x60 with 2.5 garages and a house with 576 conditioned sf plus a full basement and two porches. The rest of the property is all fruit trees and I have a 30x30 garden out in the backyard. Hoping to find another lot to farm soon. Was thinking about finding one this year but I didn't know if I could trust my Bradley so haven't actively looked yet.

You're lucky if your whole family has bought into gardening. My wife *likes the idea* but won't actually put anything into practice. Ugggg. So I grow lots of really good food that doesn't get eaten. However I grow for seed. Have a couple gallons of beet seeds in the basement already and a couple gallons of spinach seeds.

Oh by the way I plant everything on 30" centers so I can cultivate with my Bradley, which is 26" wide when it's set up axle end to axle end. I haven't actually cultivated with it yet because my garden is too small but it's possible. Would realistically need to run 36" rows my first year cultivating with the bradley though. I don't want to lose half a row because I was "just learning" how to run the damn thing.

>>1314323

>people dont realize that all flesh is grass - which means you gotta have hay to raise livestock - hay is the most important frm product

if you don't have the room to store hay inside look into hay stacks. they used to do it in montana with a hay slide which is really cool technology. Amazing how long hay will keep in a properly made stack and how little gets lost.

>breakfast

Breaking your fast…. kek right? I love it. Most people don't realize they fast every single night. Idiots. Another one is Sun Day Why the hell do you worship the sun? What's the fourth commandment? Honor the SABBATH. Hebrews 4:9. In any version other than KJV.

>>1314571

I have been getting toms for years. Didn't notice a change in the flavor though. We did try the other one they came out with that's also non-flouride and that's pretty good. I've tried straight baking soda, while I didn't mind I'm sure my wife wouldn't fly for that though.

If you're wondering who the hell this is I have gone by "village idiot" before however my board is at 8ch.net/1944/ now.

>>1314270

Your list is what I fear is lost with the new generation of young people. Being older and a jack of all trades myself, I am glad that I learned how things work in the real world, and not sitting in an office all day.

You will find that most tradesmen could say yes to a large percentage of your questions. I fear for our children's future. Mine will be okay because I have taught them most of what they need to know to be self sufficient, but their peers are going to be in trouble.

>>1310385

Also - pick up a copy of the Vitamin Bible by Earl Mindell. I'm not recommending the supplements, but it covers side effects if you are deficient, as well as natural sources for various vitamins, minerals and herbs. I found depression is probably more often nutrient deficiencies - stress, caffeine, excess sugar, alcohol and cigarettes all destroy the nutrients needed to produce neurotransmitters, leading to depression, trouble sleeping, sexual dysfunction, and much more. As mentioned elsewhere, a nutrient deficiency such as magnesium can have a domino effect.

>>1314707

AMEN!

Sad thing is I'm 34. Not many people younger than I that are learning any of this shit.

It's sad that so many people have no idea. Take some gasoline and put it in an open container and put it in the sun for a couple minutes and then flick a lighter at it.

Lots of simple things to learn in little things.

>>1314671

>if you don't have the room to store hay inside look into hay stacks. they used to do it in montana with a hay slide which is really cool technology. Amazing how long hay will keep in a properly made stack and how little gets lost.

Those hay slides are till in use today. I know where a few of them are.

>>1314714

Stop eating sugar, and make sure to get plenty of vitamin D.

Full disclosure. I do not live off grid.

I do use passive and active solar as much as possible, but can't wean myself from the creature comforts like refrigerators, freezers, and my hot tub.

>>1311362

Wheat farmers started spraying the wheat fields prior to harvest; the wilted plants are easier to cut/harvest and the dying plants kick out a few extra seeds. However the Roundup (glyphosphate) residue contaminates the wheat. Most people are actually reacting to the poison, not necessarily to gluten.

>>1312124

Try ketchup, tomato paste and BBQ sauce - to go with pasta, sandwiches etc. First time I made ketchup I was in heaven!

>>1312406

I pay about $20/pint for organic raw honey. Seriously considering a hive, as bees are in seriously short supply here - last year's garden had trouble, very few cukes, zucchini, squash or tomatoes. Did things to attract pollinators with very little luck - too many big farms in the area, I'm guessing!

>>1310385

Maybe look at keto diet with 'intermittent fasting'… very non-inflammitory. My 80-some yr old grandma has more energy than she has had in years…and out does us all at the gym. Bonus: no cancer!

>>1310433

>>1310385

Book: Sugar Blues lays it all out…

If you believe Grand Solar Minimum is coming, a few backyard gardens to supplement a storage of rice & beans could impact your wallet and possibly survival chances, when the food supply starts to dry up.

>>1313305

If SHTF those bees could come in handy; wax can be used to seal jars of food.

>>1314671

>>1314323

>>people dont realize that all flesh is grass - which means you gotta have hay to raise livestock - hay is the most important frm product

>

>if you don't have the room to store hay inside look into hay stacks. they used to do it in montana with a hay slide which is really cool technology. Amazing how long hay will keep in a properly made stack and how little gets lost.

>

>>breakfast

>

>Breaking your fast…. kek right? I love it. Most people don't realize they fast every single night. Idiots. Another one is Sun Day Why the hell do you worship the sun? What's the fourth commandment? Honor the SABBATH. Hebrews 4:9. In any version other than KJV.

—–

humble Sabbath Anon here…

Hay isn't necessary…if you do pasture rotations.. they paw off the snow here in midwest in preference of fresh green stuff over hay.

>>1314707

>>1314270

>

>Your list is what I fear is lost with the new generation of young people. Being older and a jack of all trades myself, I am glad that I learned how things work in the real world, and not sitting in an office all day.

>

>You will find that most tradesmen could say yes to a large percentage of your questions. I fear for our children's future. Mine will be okay because I have taught them most of what they need to know to be self sufficient, but their peers are going to be in trouble.

That is why Carla Emery wrote her "Encyclopedia of Country Living"… to gather up knowledge before it was all lost.

>>1315213

She is one the got 'heart attacked'

>>1315179

Not enough acreage in many cases for pasture rotation. We have about 8.5 acres - but some is wooded/old stream bed, plus land the house sits on and the workshop. Mares are off hay for the summer, but pasture doesn't produce enough during the winter without supplementing with hay.

>>1314983

Tomatoes are self pollinating. They don't need bees. neither do beans. Most others do.

What about for those of us that live in suburban life? What’s recommended for “go” bags and stuff? Where’s a good starting point? I have a travel trailer and truck, but want to start stocking up on some prep items…don’t know what I’m prepping for…just have shit ready. If shit goes down. Marshman law…feda camps….whatever…

>>1310117

lessons learned moving from city to country

1. research pays off.

one property we were looking at had two adjoining 1.25 Acre lots, we had cash to purchase, no financing. dirt roads, and one lot had a septic a manuf home a garage a wood shed and a pump house. PROBLEM…tax map did not match what land owners thought were the bounary lines. 160 Acres in eastern oregon were off north to south by 100 feet, so according to the tax man at county, every dirt road was actually not the boundary but was down the middle of each lot…would have required a re plat and about 3000 per lot owner to redo entire tax map, people didnt have the money…only way i realized it was a NO GO was wen Title Officer remarked that NO BANK would finance such a transaction, but hey you have cash, buy it if you want…..POW we were out of there….

2. Look for land 2 acres more or less, you need to be 120 feet from any adjoining property's well when you put in your septic system and 100 feet from your own well (minimum)

3. look for land that had a home at one time, with existing power poles to re use

4. the previous home septic tank can …should be abandoned and this will save you money in permit fees, ask for a replacement septic permit

5. have a soils engineer scope out the proper soil for a standard septic system, dont just decide to dig aywhere, the county official might make you install an advanced 20,000 dollar whizbang septic tank, do the research on soil drainage and put in a much cheaper standard tank and leach line gravel system

6. new manufactured homes are much better than trying to repair somebodys existing problems, old metal septic tanks rot out, substandard foundations, etc

7. opt for 2x8 floor joists on new manufactured homes

8. pay the extra 40 bucks for a few extra spaces in a 225 amp panel instead of a 200 amp panel

9. get ceramic wall heaters installed in the bedrooms to meet HUD requirements, DO NOT let them install the cheap mexican central air heaters that have ducts running under and up thru the floors

10. order your home without flooring, ask for the thickest OSB floor they can put down.

11. coat every square inch of bathrooms, dishwashers and laundry areas with red guard membrane waterproofing, its around 50 bucks a gallor, and if your fixtures leak, it will save you thousands later.

12, put in vinyl click lock flooring.

13. sub out the delivery, setup & marriage line, foundation, septic and well drilling

when looking for a spot to drill your well, look for natural ravines and depressions in hillsides, stay within 60 feet of the natural drainage path that has existed for hundreds of thousands of years…try to get at least 14 GPM for a 4 bedroom home

14. if gpm is low, pump from well to 1000 gallon storage tank, black plastic about 650 bucks…float switches and then try to gravity feed to a small booster pump to your home

15. test the well water for bacteria

16. if sulfur smell exists, use spray nozzles ( spiral nozzles) in a manifold into the top of a vented storage tank to off gas the sulfur smell

17. whole house aquasana well water filter system with UV

18. go solar, but only enough KW to run your pumps for water, a fridge and a microwave.

Save money if the grid goes down, cook with a microwave or wood fire

19. set up a solar thermal water heater piping system for grid failure, nobody likes cold showers

20. put various loads on manual switches…break before make configuration, so you can choose to run the fridge for a few hours and then switch to the laundry machine, then back to the fridge, etc.

If you haven't already, it is a good idea to get yourself a good outdoor wilderness survival handbook, as well as a handbook on wild edibles and medicinals.

These are very valuable references to have on hand, including in your bug-out kits if you have to get out of a region very quickly..

>>1312757

That's how all the raw milk is labeled here. sold by the amish. we just wink at the lady and go on our way. we also have pets - so if questioned of course we bought it for them, we love them so.

An idea I came up with years ago, to add nutrition and flavor to homegrown eggs: Foxes made it necessary to keep my chickens enclosed, so to add protein to the feed, I surrounded the fencing with partial sheets of old plywood laid on the ground (with old tires on top to prevent blowing away, and keep good contact with the ground for natural moisture generation and retention). These make a perfect ecosystem for bugs and slugs (GOBS of them). Every day, when I went out for eggs, I'd bring a leaf rake… the chickens went nuts when they saw it… and I'd lift a board and flick a bunch of bugs through the wire. Feeding frenzy as the bugs tried to get back to the darkness and moisture under the wood.

Saved greatly on feed costs… they wouldn't touch the stuff until every bug had been eaten, and the area had been scoured for escapees.

Yolks the color of a late sunset, and rich flavor beyond description.

I have a question. Sewing. I can sew - not tailor quality but decently. Unless its a small repair job, tho - I do very few things by hand.

Lets face it - sewing machines are a godsend. Are there any non-electric ones?

It just occurred to me that maybe that's why the singer antiques are becoming so popular again. I inherited one from a relative but havent taken it out of storage yet.

>>1316766

Should have added: If the environment under the boards gets overburdened, put a few sheets of newspaper and some lawn debris in there once in a while.

A good bug farmer makes a great chicken farmer!

>>1316815

There are old fashioned treadle sewing machines. They don't have fancy stitching, only straight stitches, but they work very well. I used to have one but had to give it to a friend when I moved up north - no room to take it.

Here's an eBay link so you can see:

https://www.ebay.com/b/Singer-Treadle-Sewing-Machine/156327/bn_55192685

You can find them in second hand stores or antique stores.

But if you want a modern style machine that works with a treadle, you can get that too at a hefty price tag.

https://www.lehmans.com/product/traditional-sewing-machine-cabinet-and-treadle/

Before buying from Lehmans, if you have an Amish community in your area, find their store. They always have an Amish store. The merchandise is always quality and reasonably priced. The merchant may be able to get you a new fancy treadle machine at a better price than Lehmans.

For example, I buy my shepherds crooks at the local Amish store for $8. The same crooks online are $45.

The Amish use evaporated cane juice/raw sugar. Unrefined. It's not as intense as refined sugar.

Ever notice how mild mannered Amish kids are? No sugar rush. Your body absorbs it slowly like raw honey-it's all I've used for years. It's great for canning preserves and jelly! Enjoy!

>>1315495

just whatever you need to last a week or 2 that is non perishable and carryable

a few tarps and paracord

wool blankets or sleeping bags

water/extra fuel

good bushknife and water stone

plus a shotgun and shells - 20 gauge is nice and easy compared to 12

a good small battery or solar radio

camp pots/utensils and matches

candles/flashlights

ER medical kit

all this can be compiled pretty cheaply

>>1315722

these are all excellent anon

a few we have been thru ourselves!

>>1315315

yes this is the case with most homesteads

we have a dedicated 5 acrs hay field we keep adding seasoned mulch/manue and it produces about 500 square bales per year which is almost enough for us

we are set up to do haystacks if needed!

we buy a dozen or so round bales from a neighbor for our 3 mules

plus we rotate the livestock - pigs and cows - through 5 different pastures about 5 acres each

>>1315495

There is a lot of info online on go bags, but the standard is to have enough food for three days, a water container and small water filter (like a straw filter, can get for under $20, highly recommend), lighter/matches, med kit, a change of clothes or if not that at least a change of sox and undies (better to have two extra sets), sleeping bag and pad. Tarps. Have clothes to match the season, as well - as in layers if its cold season.

You'll want a good knife. Some cordage (paracord). Good hiking boots that are broken in. Maps of the area and to your intended destination.

The idea of a bugout bag is to have the necessities to allow you to walk away from where you are and get started on your way to your bugout location. In other words, it's not enough just to get away. You have to have somewhere to go to. That's a whole 'nother subject.

So is having a bugout kit for your vehicle if you plan to go on wheels.

Recommend you spend some weekends camping to find out what works for you and what you can carry comfortably and what food you want to have with you.

>>1316766

Love this. Going to try it with my girls.

>>1311362

I only buy Wheat Montana brand. Non GMO and no pesticides.

yes. good ideas. We've done a lot of this, and were reminded through the process that there really is no such thing as private property. If you don't pay rent (taxes), the state takes it from you. And the state micromanages just about everything through the permitting process. Third year in a manuf'd home. Had always been in stick and frame. So far, so good.

>>1314191

We do plenty of potatoes for staple. Lots of root veggies. Can and freeze beans and peas. We invested a little every month in freeze dried and that's put away for back up. water is the biggest concern. My daugther covered stacked cases of it with a tapestry and called it a table in her little NY apartmnt. At least set yourself up to be able to stay in place for a good while.

>>1314671

>1313083

what about sourdough bread and organic home milled grains?

I don't understand what you're asking. Sounds great.

>1313517

>I frankly don't want to go back to plowing with horses. Don't need to plow. A good cultivator will do wonders for the land without plowing. I LIKE to plow but I don't NEED to plow. I run a two wheel walk behind David Bradley.

Reread my post. We were talking about using wood gas generators if there is no gas available. Bradleys are great for a hobby farm like yours. Not so good when you're on real acreage, though.

>>1315495

Suburbanite here. We started about 10yrs ago. Ammo and rice & beans were 1st purchases. Food grade 5 gallon buckets with Gamma Seal lids (lids are KEY to keeping the food) a 20lb bag rice and 10lb bag beans fit nicely. Toss in 02 eaters and you are good for years. Not ideal food- but cheap start up with protein and will stretch a long way. Medical supplies. high grain alcohol (great for bartering) CB radio, batteries. Knifes maps compass flashlight. Candles and lighters. Extra clothing. Mylar blankets. Make plans for diff scenarios. There are "survival straws" that filter any water source. That's where we started anyways

>>1314848

No need to live off grid until you have to. But it's good to be prepared to do it if you have to. ;)

>>1317101

Can your body handle sourdough bread made from home milled grain?

Stephen Leslie in his book Horse Powered Farming said that if current trends continue in 40 years there will be more horse powered than traditional farmers.

Yes I am the OP of the post you replied to.

>>1317104

If you aren't now consuming rice and beans regularly, I recommend you add a couple such meals a week now, if you're planning on eating that if things go bad. Otherwise, you are going to be mighty uncomfortable if that's all you have to eat. Better add a few bottles of multivitamins with minerals to your preps, too.

>>1312698

It's illegal here as well, but is sold at most farmers markets with warning labels "not for human consumption, used for soap making"

>>13171>>

Anon was asking where to start if SHTF. That's how we started 10yrs ago, we've come a long way since then. Gotta start somewhere

>>1317141

On the first question, sure. Why?

About Stephen Leslie, I hope he's wrong. Because the price of food will go way up as you simply cannot work as much acreage with horses as with even a small tractor. We will see food scarcity in this country again, and people will starve. A little secret about the great depression is that an estimated 10 million people died of starvation during it, because they couldn't afford to buy enough food to survive.

OK. I figured that…?

>>1317186

OK, gotya! Then my rec s/b for the OP ;)

>>1314848>>

What do you use in your hot tub? Currently using the CuZn Spa Core (removes chlorine and releases zinc and copper) but have had to use a non chlorine mini shock a cpl times. Wondering if there are other chemical free options that actually work

>>1317317

When I had a hot tub I was on city water and did a drain and fill every 2-3 weeks. Only a 2 person tub so it was fairly easy. Never bothered with chemicals.

>>1310385

Look in to "Sole Water" Cheap and easy. Been using for a few months and I can not even begin to tell you the difference in how feel, LIFE CHANGING…Made with Pink Himalayan salt and water, 1 tsp in a cup of water in morning on empty stomach. 84 minerals, balances your PH, cleans out toxins, kick starts your adrenal glans, just to name a few.

>>1315213

My bible! Highly recommended..

1313526 What does a person need to store for when SHTF for a month ?

>>1317591

We have a deep larder. We eat out a lot but end up buying a lot of non-perishable groceries "because we'd like to have something"…. well the end result is a deep larder that we don't have to worry about food for awhile. Biggest problem here would be getting water though.

>>1317365

>Sole Water

ill try it

sounds good anon

i already use that salt for food

newbies and grizzled vets alike

here we go

The Encyclopedia of Country Living, 40th Anniversary Edition: The Original Manual for Living off the Land & Doing It Yourself Paperback – October 30, 2012

by Carla Emery (Author)

>>1312723

>>1312582

>

>i also make yogurt the ez way

Kefir, using 'kefir grains', is easier than yogurt (incubates at room temp) and has about 30 probiotic strains instead of the 4-6 usually in yogurt.

>>1317728

>>1317513

Can we get a notable on this one?;)

>>1317697

>>1317365

I personally think celtic is better. My body misses it if I use anything else.

>>1317849

i started the thread

havnt done notables here anon

not that we cant but this is the very first bake so im waiting to see how it goes

so far very well

or maybe i can link it in the title next time

tx for posting anons

im really enjoying the thread!

>>1310385

> All I learned was that it was all corrupt. Due to health issues (from GMO's) I was forced into early retirement.

> But my health is spiraling downwards, so don't know how far I'll make it.

Our food cycle is corrupted by the soros/etc. machine… MonSatan I mean Monsanto can't be sued. Neither can the vaccine producers.

AMA for doctors was made to make homeopathic doctors forgotten outcasts…Homeopathic doctors had a mortality rate of 1.05% compared to the 30% mortality of regularly treated methods in the 1918 flu epidemic.

https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/homeopathy-successfully-treated-flu-epidemic-1918

>>1317150

>>>1317104

>

>If you aren't now consuming rice and beans regularly, I recommend you add a couple such meals a week now, if you're planning on eating that if things go bad.

*First Principle* Store what you eat and eat what you store.

>>1317059

Wheat Montana bread does not contain corn syrup or any derivatives of corn.

>>1317854

I will look in to that, thanks!

>>1310608

>>1318019

It is maybe ~50% and 30% sodium and chloride

The rest is other/trace minerals

>>1317317

I just use chlorine and muratic acid. The minimum amount needed. Tried Bromine but spouse got whole body rash.

>>1318047

>>1317854

>>1317697

>>1317365

[sorry added wrong number reference about sugar discussion last time]

Celtic salt is maybe ~50% and 30% sodium and chloride. It has been a number of years since I saw the lab break out of it, but amost 20% was other nutrients.

The rest is other/trace minerals

>>1317728

Just bought it! Thanks so much

>>1317046

Your calling them "my girls" convinces me you will take to bug husbandry quickly. It's fun learning what they like. Old tires look kind of hillbilly, but provide great thermal collection during colder weather.

To you, and the girls… Bon Appatit!

>>1318115

A tip-when I find something online too, I print it out and just stick it in my book. I feel paper/hard copies are always safer in case of SHTF. My copy is messy and written in with notes on what has worked/hasn’t. You won’t regret buying it.

Hey anons, we tapped for syrup for the first time this year and it was easy. We have silver maples.

-started mid March.

-Bought two small lengths of pipe

-two small lengths of tubing

-a milk jug with an x in the cap - 2.

We drilled two small holes in tree angling upward, on south side of tree. Hammered in the taps, attached the tubing and stuck the tubing into the jugs.

It simply collects the watery sap. You look daily and when jugs are full, transfer to a pot and cook slowly (in essence you’re reducing the liquid). My tip is to pick a day you are home to watch the slate for safety..allow 8 hours or so. 1 gallon yielded approx 4 oz. We then poured into mason jars to store in fridge.

We stopped collecting once the buds start to come out.

This is just the basics..lmk if you need more details. Lots of links online too! Syrup is totally worth it and yummy, especially on raspberries which we harvest in a few months..actually wild black raspberries that I transplanted in.

>>1318812

*to watch the flame for safety*

>>1318163

Right now, the girls are in great danger from hawks, eagles, coyotes, and perhaps even a big cat (panther) back there. Miraculously, we've not lost one. They forage happily where ever they wish and then roost in safe quarters at night. They mostly following the cattle's cow pies around. Great for the pasture and cuts down on the flies. However, I've no doubt that one of those predators will learn the super market is open over here, and when that day comes, we'll be using your method. Thanks again!!

>>1319811

Pardon the typos. They occur on a regular basis.

>>1314714

The Dead Doctors Don't Lie guy says ALL disease is either a deficiency or a toxicity. Plain and simple.

>>1318812

sounds delicious anon

Just remember to practice fire safety. Respect the elements.

Look for boy scout manuals, too. Great resource.

>>1321428

looks like a PLASMA event

im ready

Question

I have a more than adequate generator if the lights go out for a few days. But, how can I protect it from EMP? It is stored in a metal shed. Is that enough?

I LOVE THIS THREAD

>>1313526

>No.1313526

Thanks, what do I call you ?

>>1313392

Thanks.

>>1321743

check out details on farraday cage

>>1323775

bring some more anons over and also post!

we had a great start but it stalled a bit now

BV

>>1310194

Smart. Know everything u will need will be 5k or more.. not cheap to start a farm.

I have extensive real worl knowledge on all of this. I am about to get the well redrillex at my place. 6k for that alone. Fence will be around 25k.. get started now while getting is good, pay for place in cash. Got 4acres for 5k.. u can get deals, gotta be looking

>>1317728

Have that book 👊

>>1317994

I buy the flour, to bake and cook with. No GMO, no pesticides, no glyphosate. You can buy the kernels too, if you like to grind your own.

>>1329363

For those that want to make the change to rural and are able to, a good bet is to buy an existing farm parcel with house and outbuildings already in place. A lot of old farmsteads with well/septic and woodlots are available to purchase as the elders that live on them die or go to assisted living. The kids don't want to live there - they have their own setups - and sometimes you can actually do a direct contract with the kids as a rent-to-own deal. Or buy directly for a lot less than you would think. If you can talk your employer into allowing you to work-from-home, if your job can be structured that way, you can keep the $$ flowing in while you reorganize the new farmstead and pick up whatever equipment you might need.

>>1325399

I don't know about 8ch, you could do a search. But there are a lot of old, established websites for this (ex. shtfplan.com, prepperdailynews.com) and they have links to other sites within them. Browse the archives and learn a lot in a short while.

There's also a lot of what I call "Doomsday Porn" books. A series of novels that really seve as a textbook and has a lot of references to other resource within the stories, is John Wesley, Rawles "Patriots" series. I know, he's on Alex Jones as a guest, but his info is actually useful, and the storylines are compelling. Get 'em from the library if you don't want to purchase.

>>1325402

Bugout bags -

I'll tell you mine if you tell me your ;)

I don't actually have a dedicated bag because I live out in the sticks and plan to stay put. In my truck, I carry a backpack that's unloaded except for a straw water filter and some space blankets, some paracord, and a sewing kit, because I seldom go more than 30 miles from home and I can walk back in 2 days if something happens so I don't need as much. I have in the truck a cook kit, an alcohol stove and alcohol, dehydrated food packs, all packed in a couple of metal coffee cans. I have a wool blanket on my truck seat that serves as a seat cover and can be used to stay warm. I carry a rain poncho and a med kit in the glove box. I have a couple gallons of water. In winter, I throw heavy winter boots and an insulated coverall in the truck and keep them there just in case. I always carry a quality folding knife and keep it sharp, with a 3" blade. There's a machete under the seat. I don't carry a gun, but if things were to start to turn bad I would open carry because it is legal in my state to do so. If

I have to leave my truck, I'll load up my bag with all this stuff (well, not all the water), put the good boots on and head home.

So clearly, my plan is to get home if I'm caught off the farm during an emergency. I have everything there I need to be good for quite a while.

I know at least 20 different routes to get to my little homestead. I recommend everyone get a gazetteer of their state and drive back roads now, to learn alternate routes. You never know when there will be a disaster that cuts off your normal route home, it just makes sense. When I lived in the southern climes, I found this knowledge very useful after a hurricane passed through and many roads were flooded. I just tried about four different routes that were blocked but the fifth one was passable. Saved my bacon that night.

>>1310433

Yes. And this goes for refined foods, in general. Our bodies don't know what to do with the non-food. General rule is stay to the outside aisles of the grocery store while avoiding the central aisles where the non-food is displayed…..I do venture into the coffee and spice sections…..

>>1321429

If the lights go out for a few days, I fear that the 90% will get started looting, raping, pillaging - just as they have done in the past. Do a search on prior blackouts, which took place before this entitlement attitude. Do a search on what has happened after hurricanes in the past few years, how the looting starts.

You seem like a nice person. But there is a large percentage of people out there that are not nice people. Be prepared to hide, fight, or run if the lights go out.

>>1314848

same here. And we have a back up generator for the freezer (we can and freeze our garden produce) and water pump. Have a wood boiler for domestic hot water if/when the grid goes down. Hot water is a creature comfort, but also necessary for hygiene to stay healthy.

>>1336339

PS. I have yet to buy a hand pump for the well, but we need that because eventually in worst case scenarios, the propane runs out for the back up generator.

>>1319811

Chickens see the predator shadow and scatter for cover. They instinctively recognize a hawk silhouette, it's amazing. They are most at danger at night, when roosting. When I first started with my own hens years ago, I went out to the barn one night to find the chicken wire ripped open and hens just slaughtered, not even eaten. Since then, I put them up at night in a solid coop, and let them out in the morning to go about their business. I have only had 2 hens go missing in the past 2 years, so I'm down to 22 now. I'm getting over a dozen eggs a day, so it's time to pickle some.

Thought I'd share my quick story. Red pilled 1999. "Honey. We have to get ourselves on a little farm, 'cause it's all going to hell." Spouse not impressed, but I persisted. Started out with books. LOTS of books. Got that little farm with pre-existing structures and started making improvements, starting with a decent chicken house/yard and a fenced/tilled garden with worked/added good soil. Started mulch pile right away. Worms are miracle workers. Then brought in a few small breed cattle for beef and milk. And they're good for soil improvement. (Joel Salatin—one of my gurus.) Found a local who does processing. Beef share to make a little $s and feed another couple of families. Milked one of my girls (raised her up from a heifer so we trust each other) last summer. That was the ultimate. Now have some fruit trees in and a couple of bee colonies. Pretty cold here so won't get honey until second year, if then. They need about 90 lbs of their own to get through winter. Rusty with Honey Bee Suite. Best guru. One thing to consider. Don't try to do everything. Do a few things. Get good at it, and be prepared to trade. That means, know your community. Know your neighbors. Bottom line. Read, read, read, study, read some more before you invest in anything besides books.

>>1336352

That's my experience too. I'm amazed they haven't disappeared, but they are hanging in, so far. Way in the open if a hawk/eagle does get interested. Won't get to cover in time…….So far, the predators are most interested in the little varmits and I cheer the birds on because those little buggers did and eat the tender roots of my fruit trees, not to mention taking a large helping of the potatoes and peas. And that's where the new little kitties come in……….

>>1336483

PS BBE (best book ever) John Seymour, The Self-Sufficient Life and How to live it.

>>1317837

Yep. So good for you. Try to find raw milk, but can be done with pasturized.

>>1317046

Foxes used to be our problem. Re-located and now its coyotes (not nearly as wilely as foxes) and predator birds…..maybe some big cats. Saw some prints.

>>1336352

Weasels are terrible critters. They will get in your hen house and kill all of your birds just for fun. They don't eat them. The worst part about them is they can get through very small holes in fencing, so are hard to keep at bay.

have large numbers of bald eagles around my place. You can tell when one is coming. All the hens start heading for cover, seemingly for no reason, then a few seconds later the eagle will pass overhead. They have never bothered my hens, but I think they are just keeping them around in case all other sources of food become scarce.

PS. Bald eagles are snake catching machines.

>>1337381

I'm thinking with the wire ripped, it was a fisher. Weasels wouldn't have had to rip it wide like that. Baldies like fish best, never had one show any interest in the hens. Up here, no snakes to speak of, so I'll take your word on that ;).

Coyotes all around, but I have dogs and goats, and that keeps them back from the barn. Cats eat the rats. Chickens eat the ticks and scatter the cow manure for corn/grain. It's a nice little ecosystem.

Got to get to work.

>>1336230

To add to this.

In my area, there are huge farms that mostly grow grains. As the farms continue to get bigger, they buy out the smaller places. They will buy a 320 or 640 acre parcel of land that has a small 2 bedroom house on it. They don't want the house just the land, so they either subdivide it into a smaller parcel, like 3-5 acres, and sell the house, or they just burn it down. Most of these small houses are old homesteads that are 75-100 years old, but are in decent shape, and can be had fairly cheap if you can find one.

Check out areas like this that have older farmers that live in those small houses, and are about to give it up, or are very old, and their kids don't live nearby. None of the kids will want to take over those places. The cost to continue to farm small acreages like this is way too high for the return on the sale of the grain. Hence the farmers buying those square mile parcels to farm.

>>1337409

Probably right, it wasn't a weasel. I hate those thing.

It is funny to watch when one of those eagles are coming down the road. The hens hear them before they see them.

>>1312529

I am assuming you are talking freshwater fishing. Can be tough as freshwater fish can be picky depending the season and water. I would suggest youtube videos to start with. I think the smartest advice I was ever given in regards to fishing is: Remember 10% of the water holds 90% of the fish. Fish like structure and certain areas. I watched more fishing shows than I can count with my ex and we went fishing a bunch. Watch some videos, then go do it, and remember it is called fishing, not catching so don't get discouraged…have fun.

>>1310117

So glad to see this thread here. I have worked in/grown a garden most years of my life. Became a serious prepper in 2012 when BHO shutdown most of the government services including the National Weather Service and our National Parks when he didn't get his way. I figured anyone that would do that would have no problem shutting down our power, water, gas, and food for control over the masses. I preserve a lot of my garden by canning, have a small acreage in zone 6a with fruit trees and trail horses. Love the simply country life except for the foxes and coyotes which got into my chicken coop. :(

>>1337893

Welcome :) sorry to hear about the chix though. That’s our biggest fear. We lost one to an owl or a hawk..not sure.

Your place sounds nice! It’s good to know how to do things “if”. Like no electricity or internet. I’m not worried about our family but worried about the loonies who freak out…the ones that don’t even own a non electric can opener, you know the type..

>>1337381

We have eagles too..they like to hang out in our tree and rip apart squirrels. The chickens run but no, the eagles have never bothered them. Hawks are another story but always a murder of crows is around to caw out a warning. I love those crows! They’re our EBS for chickens.

>>1336483

You’re living my dream! I’m trying to convince spouse to let us have bees as we don’t spray our yard…deathly afraid of them. I’m persistent tho!

>>1338125

Thanks for the response. Yes, I got most of the SHTF covered, but my family refuses to listen so I would have them to take care as well. Then you have the zombie types and the druggies which would be the biggest risks. I bought a book awhile back called "A Failure of Civility" which goes over how to protect your little area but it does involve having to include others in your neighborhood that you can trust.

>>1338162

yes the crows know their territory

we have hawks too and they also know their territory - the ones around us have learned to stay away from our central pastures where the birds are during the day!

a year or two of shotgun booms plus the crows

did it

>>1337893

i got started when the phony Y2K crisis failed to appear

i thought then there was fuckery afoot

took a while to convince my wife to go country but now she loves it more that i do

it was finally chemtrails that was the big redpill

gone for now in our area thank god

>>1336483

excellent thoughts anon

i have reservations about salatin though

maybe ill share them later if you want to know that they are…

>>1338228

Never seen chemtrails here, I have seen pictures of them though. Grew up country, only way I want to live. Has some draw backs especially in the job department and if you want to go out to eat at a good restaurant. Glad you and yours made the move !

>>1338280

>a good restaurant

not sure there are anymore

Help

Overrun by wasps near my entrance way. Have bees, so hate to spray… Ideas?

>>1338431

The entrance way into your home? If you don't want to spray you will have to knock the nest down. There is wasp spray that sprays 20 feet and you can make a direct hit with it so maybe it wouldn't hurt your bees.

>>1338431

we also hate spray but for wasps and hornets there is no choice

100 years ago people who knew what to do could help

not any more

pray for the earth and spray away

maybe we will get back there in our lifetimes

>>1338431

Do something at night? What about sealing up in that foam that comes in a can and let set up/cure/dry for a bit before removing?

>>1338867

I hate to spray too, but for some instances there are no choice such as keeping weeds out of grazing pastures. Been fighting wild buttercups for the last few years, nothing eats them, not even goats. I have to spray or they take completely over. As far as wasps/hornets nests go, if they are not in my way I let them go. Wasps catch lots of young spiders to feed to their larvae and hornets eat flies by the thousands. Also purple martins are great if you can get them to come live on your property.

>>1310117

> One thing to consider. Don't try to do everything. Do a few things. Get good at it, and be prepared to trade. That means, know your community. Know your neighbors. Bottom line. Read, read, read, study, read some more before you invest in anything besides books.

I will add…youtube! Youtube has vids of tons of people that know what they are doing…My bro learned how to butcher there.

>>1317513

>>1317728

>>1315213

>>1317513

>>1314707

>>1314270

>>1317728

>>newbies and grizzled vets alike

>>here we go

>>The Encyclopedia of Country Living, 40th Anniversary Edition: The Original Manual for Living off the Land & Doing It Yourself Paperback – October 30, 2012

>>by Carla Emery (Author)

>>1338431

Ok… i have the spray… will do tonight… thanks for advice.

>>1313425

>Watching the calf being born, I wondered how she knew what to do. What if in all other species, they have the memories of 7 generations, and that humans have simply forgot (not necessarily by choice).

>

>>We have forgotten how to play the game

If, in human females, a cesarean birth is done on a mother and her daughter, the next female in the line that did not experience normal labor with normal birth on the 'giving OR receiving' end will never go into labor.

>>1339293

Is there research on that?

Interesting. . .

Are we no longer discussing Q threads? Here is latest one posted:

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