[–]▶ 041dea (1) No.293066>>293238 >>297116 >>297469 >>298206 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]
Okay, so this is something that has me wondering me for a while now.
So, pone has been around for what, almost 7 years now? That's more than half a decade. Bronies finished high school, went into college, graduated and are working right now in that time.
The early days on halfchan /co/ don't count - that controversy is long over. So, what makes the show and everything around it tick that folks just keep coming back to it? And no, its not just "its good", there's more to it. Littlest Pet Shop was decent yet I can't see people flocking around it like they did with MLP.
▶ 9ee61b (3) No.293070>>293072 >>293099 >>293187
You are in the wrong place mate.
You won't find any "bronies" here. Nothing but horsefuckers around these parts.
>Littlest Pet Shop was decent
There's your problem. You have no clue what a good show is. LPS is an irredeemable pile of shit.
What you are asking, is like asking "why are there so many fans of Touhou, the games are just shmups with a steep difficulty curve?"
For some its the memes, for others its the porn, for others yet its the fan made stuff.
The difference between LPS and MLP isn't just the quality of the show, its the community of the fans and what it produces, much as many of us look down upon "bronies".
The LPS fan community simply doesn't make as much stuff, memes and drama to keep anyone interested.
▶ bfb996 (2) No.293071>>293072 >>293099 >>293146 >>293148 >>293187 >>293263 >>293349
Well here's the answer.
http://www.toynews-online.biz/opinion/read/does-tv-content-determine-how-children-play/048911
>The reason the TV shows exist is to promote play with its toys -- the trick behind it is to immerse the child in the universe being presented, then let it adopt elements from it. These elements would be used in the events created in the child’s make-believe play, which the toys help supplement to the experience.
>Do note that this is more about having a lack of content that a child can use rather than about believability. A show can be littered with plot holes and stupid moments, but if there is one nugget that can be used, that element is still having an impact, however small. It is not recommended though, since any form of breaks in a story can have a negative impact on the immersion and therefore inspiration a child has.
>For example, the ‘little girl's audience’ of My Little Pony Friendship is Magic tends to be more oriented on laid-back small simple events and the personalities of the characters. Bronies are more interested in the universe’s lore, conflict-based events and larger plots. Another example: more than 20 years ago Hasbro tested a playhouse it hoped to market to both boys and girls. It went differently. The girls played house with the dolls. The boys played war by catapulting the toys from the roof.
▶ bfb996 (2) No.293072
>>293071
(cont.)
So bronies watch it because they enjoy fantasizing about Equestria, and as >>293070 says, often a little bit more. Good enough for you, OP?
▶ 4ae9cc (1) No.293096
It came out during a very dark age for animation in general and was amazing.
It takes concepts that are done bad always, like the fashioned obsessed girl archtype, and does it well.
And honestly, I was a fan of G1 as it was basically DnD for little girls so when it went back to fantasy rather than 'cute' I was all for that.
Also it's the closest thing to a high fantasy show on the air right now. Would it be that impossible for a Beholder to show up in an episode at this point?
▶ 87bb0c (1) No.293099>>293101
>>293071
I like that article.
>>293070
Anon, LPS was quite good actually. It didn't reach MLP though, because it wasn't (high) fantasy.
▶ 9ee61b (3) No.293101>>293105
>>293099
> LPS was quite good actually
The animation was cheap and bad, the designs looked like shit, the writing (what little I saw of it) was even worse.
Then again, I only saw the bits that aired right after mlp episodes on the streams before the streamers killed the feed, so maybe all the really terrible bits where just at the start of the episodes? What I saw was the same shit that made up the aforementioned dark age of cartoon shows.
▶ 969641 (1) No.293105>>293108
>>293101
>Then again, I only saw the bits that aired right after mlp episodes on the streams before the streamers killed the feed
meaning you didn't see them.
LPS was decent. I liked the characters, but it was far too constricted. Having everything revolve around a pet shop and its immediate surroundings is different than an entire universe.
▶ 9ee61b (3) No.293108>>293146
>>293105
>meaning you didn't see them.
I see English isn't your strong suit.
It does help explain why you might enjoy a show like that…
▶ bb23bf (2) No.293146
>>293108
…his English is fine, mate.
>>293071
Good article!
▶ bb23bf (2) No.293148>>293149 >>293187
>>293071
wow, it IS a good article. There's more going on than this guy is saying and he's not revealing most of it.
>We figure out why people like to clop in detail in our lifetime
▶ 839782 (1) No.293149
>>293148
>We figure out why people like to clop in detail in our lifetime
We already know that; it's because the equine form is naturally physically attractive.
▶ 559ba7 (7) No.293187>>293192
>>293070
LPS was decent but not something majestic.
>>293071
>>293148
>MFW its good shit.
▶ 7886b4 (2) No.293192>>293222
>>293187
Like Pound Puppies, it was merely a competent kids show, not some fucking "revolution"
▶ 559ba7 (7) No.293222
>>293192
What this anon said.
▶ 580181 (1) No.293235>>293263
It engages your imagination, like most shows don't. It's not a trait specific to this show though, if there were more high-fantasy shows out, I think they'd capture peoples interest similarly. There needs to be more to think about than just the antics of some characters, there needs to be lore, which is what that artcle talks a little about.
MLP managed to entice so many because of its worldbuilding that gets peoples imaginations working, and that makes it immersive.
It also does have a harem of good characters too, which is a massive boon.
That's what I've thought to myself over the years.
▶ e3112b (1) No.293238
>>293066 (OP)
>What makes bronies tick?
ur mom
▶ 559ba7 (7) No.293263
>>293235
makes sense with what >>293071 says
▶ d85725 (1) No.293349>>293380 >>293386 >>297312
>>293071
>When the child goes to buy the toys, why would it want to play with toys that are not relevant to what has been shown on the screen? Why should the commercials be in a completely different tone than the rest of the content? If this is the case, it could just pick any other similar toy, but not the one from the brand.
PINK CELESTIA, ANYONE?
▶ 76d34e (1) No.293380
>>293349
>RAINBOW DASH ALWAYS DRESSES IN STYLE
▶ df21f6 (2) No.293386>>293406 >>293416
>>293349
>Quote
Why the fuck don't toy companies understand this??
When I was a kid I'd see cool toys in commercials, then get pissed off when I saw they weren't on model or something. It was consistent.
Cartoon toys have always sucked except for a few, and I guess it'll never get any better.
▶ 3e2608 (1) No.293406>>293408 >>293410
>>293386
Well, the guy from that article seems to have the right idea. I saw some grandpa fag talk about him on the Ecuckria Daily forums and he said he knew him and that he could do "big shit"
https://forums.equestriadaily.com/index.php?/topic/5862-hello/
>But I think Lucas' work (see the link in my top post), with who I've been talking, could answer a lot of questions and help Hasbro get things done more effectively. I recommended to your Equestria Daily to post his article and ask Lucas questions, since he told me a lot about why bronies exist and MLP prevailed and why littlest pet shop and care bears crashed, Now I do not know much about MLP apart from what my granddaughter showed me and what Lucas told me, but I think MLP could be grander than it is now, if you could believe that.
We could prop this faggot up, see if Hasbro would listen to him. Probably not, but if there's a chance to make them less retarded, why not?
▶ b7ee85 (1) No.293408>>293410
>>293406
8chan is not your personal army anon.
but why the fuck not, but I have no idea where to send it. Hasbro is corporate as fuck. https://corporate.hasbro.com/en-us/contact
▶ 33ce90 (1) No.293410>>293483 >>293584 >>293768
>>293408
>>293406
This is good enough I guess.
https://hasbro-new.custhelp.com/app/chat/chat_launch
A live chat for customer support at Hasbro. Do it enough times, should give the hint to them.
▶ 7886b4 (2) No.293416>>293435
>>293386
In the early Faust era, there was a clear divide between the show and toyline, which probably allowed for more creative freedom
▶ 559ba7 (7) No.293435>>318313
>>293416
>more creative freedom
more like hasbro didn't give much of a shit and then Faust & co just let themselves run wild with this unexpected freedom.
▶ 559ba7 (7) No.293483>>293584 >>293768
▶ 19b427 (1) No.293584>>293629
>>293483
>>293410
> Have Harskamp be made employee at Hasbro to safeguard ponies for eternity
You guys are too autistic, you know that? Who says he wants to do that? He just wrote a piece about why kids would play with toys from TV. That's it.
But… his goybook says he's woke, and he said that there are "innate differences" between boys and girls. So if he can level out the political autism, why not? Submitted for kek.
▶ 936f6b (2) No.293629
>>293584
The toy industry is completely cucked with political fanfare and ideological subversion. /pol/ and gamergate would have a field day with this. I guess that because there was no gamergate in the toy industry it became that way. All i can see on that toynews website are articles about either something about a business decision or feminist propaganda.
Cringing every day at the political autism threads about the loud mouthed cucks at Hasbro, having "woke" people in there would hopefully do some good.
▶ 559ba7 (7) No.294407
>>293768
>please, do not let me get anywhere near pone without Hasbro's coming to me on their own.
Was he made to say that?
▶ ed882c (2) No.294921>>294928 >>295094 >>295108 >>295927 >>296004
What in the absolute fuck - the guy who wrote that article wrote another piece on his LinkedIn and he posted a screencap of this thread in it.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/asking-hard-controversial-questions-lucas-harskamp
▶ fa7cfa (1) No.294928>>295094 >>295095
>>294921
What the fuck is happening in this thread?
Also archive EVERYTHING
http://archive.is/Y6dFM
▶ 559ba7 (7) No.295094>>295100
>>294928
>>294921
This guy is savage. He rips everybody a new asshole while saying that he does it for the greater good and then proves it by ripping himself a new asshole. You don't do that unless you're in it to fuck with everyone or to get the best results.
Also I've never seen anyone on LinkedIn take any points from chan culture seriously. Whatever he is doing he must find it important.
▶ f59883 (2) No.295095>>295104
>>294928
Wait a minute, that's our thread? Where the heck did he find our thread? I thought we were secure at the bottom of the internet.
▶ 3eda67 (1) No.295100>>295110
>>295094
Was tearing yourself a new asshole part of your plan?
▶ 4124ce (1) No.295104
>>295095
>normalfags found us
Quick! Everyone run to 16chan!
Im still amazed that the goons havent killed him yet.
▶ df21f6 (2) No.295108
>>294921
I'm included in that screencap. Where are my lifetime royalties?
▶ ed882c (2) No.295110
>>295100
dubs says its probably of course!
▶ df67a0 (1) No.295111>>295112
Holy shit look at this old as fuck thread. Remember when we weren't covered neck-deep in redditors and liberal commies?
Look what I found.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/zlgt1rztggr66mh/Back+when+Ponychan+was+decent.zip
▶ 6abbea (1) No.295112>>295119
>>295111
We're down to like fifty guys. We're not neck-deep in anything.
▶ f59883 (2) No.295119
>>295112
I want to go back to 300 guys. We should raid somewhere or buy adspace or actually finish one of our projects
▶ db0fad (5) No.295918>>295923 >>296056
Harskamp showed up again. After the EqD forums talked about him and a few people called him over, he started talking with them and then went onto their Discord chat.
He's clearly not a normie, he knows exactly what's up and even shitposts there. He also warned people.
>MLP is in a critical phase, but most do not realize this. As you all know of course many examples of, tv-series have the tendency to be out of ideas after a while, and then it becomes milked; weird things happen just to have something different, plots get reused and so on. MLP cannot live on forever. Either the show gets cancelled or it becomes a dragged on dead horse. (pun intended). Right now Hasbro does whatever it can, and it does so fine; the villain redemption character arcs are well done, but they cannot last forever. Then we'll probably have more focus on unknown/background ponies, but even that can only go so far. See, normally companies like Hasbro/Mattel/Disney kill a franchise, only to revive it a few years later for a new generation of children, using new techniques and cultural chances. With bronies and little girls being so different, this is impossible to continue for both audiences properly - not unless they stay within the same universe and do something that appeals to both very different groups. Remember; none of this is Hasbro's fault. It's just a difficult situation for everybody involved to make the right choices.
Harskamp was also completely right - he shared this later. http://www.toyindustryjournal.com/?p=375
>Franchise fatigue -- there has been considerable speculation around the movie going public suffering franchise fatigue. Never before have we had so many movie franchises with so many versions. Has this taken the freshness, the air of excitement, even some of the magic out of going to the movies? There is clearly an argument in this direction, however, I’m not convinced when it comes to kids/family targeted movies and especially toyetic movies – because the consumer i.e. kids move through the target age group comparatively quickly – a 5 year old child who went to watch Cars 1 in the cinema in 2006 would now be 16 years of age. A 7 year old child who watched Transformers in 2007, would have been 17 when Transformers: The Last Knight disappointed at the box office in June/July 2017. Perhaps annual sequels & prequels is a bit too frequent, but that really comes down to franchise management by the movie studios – really the only difference I can identify is that certain movie franchises have almost got too frequent for last years merchandise to have been fully moved through retail.
>Hasbro & Mattel shares take a hit -- Both Hasbro & Mattel shares have been hit by weak box office performance in 2017, combined more recently by a further hit with the announcement of Lego’s sales decrease and fears about the future of Toys R Us (see next headline). Hasbro’s corporate strategy is much more focused on Hollywood movies – both with their broad relationship with Disney/ Lucasfilm/ Marvel, and with their own franchises like Transformers. Mattel on the other hand have followed a strategy for at least the last few years which is primarily about their own brands i.e. Fisher Price, Barbie, Hot Wheels etc., with licensed product as a secondary focus. Mattel appear to be further into their process of change and reinvention than Hasbro, largely prompted by challenges for the flagship cash cow Barbie and the loss of the perennial Disney Princess license to Hasbro. For Hasbro themselves, I suspect the corporate strategy may need an overhaul to look beyond the movie business for further growth. It’s been a little while since either of these two behemoths made a significant acquisition of another toy company, so don’t be surprised if big moves are made to buy future sales growth via acquisition in the short term to relieve the pressure from Wall Street.
If the movie bombs, is the show fucked?
▶ dbfb61 (1) No.295923>>295927 >>296040
>>295918
Notice what is not even a consideration in any of that? Telling a good story. The story is just a commodity, part of a business strategy. We complain that the show has not been the same since Faust left, and that right there is why. The thing that we actually liked about the show is something that a corporation cannot create. Only a storyteller can.
Notice that he said that the show creators ran out of ideas, and that is a sentiment that others have been echoing since the end of Season Two. They can not think of a direction and instead only vascillate their pandering between two different demographics. The funny thing about that is that the show's fans can't stop thinking of new stories for the universe that Faust created. There are new stories written and drawn every day, but none of them are marketable. The people who are not beholden to the profit motive have no difficulty finding the ideas that the suits lack.
Corporate media has lost the ability to support creativity and thus can no longer peddle it. That is what doomed the show. The ride ended five years ago. We have just been sitting in an unmoving car waiting in vain for it to start moving again.
▶ db0fad (5) No.295927>>296001
>>295923
ye, Harskamp said that in >>294921 , second part of the article.
▶ e27b85 (18) No.296001>>296006
>>295927
>The problem here, is obvious; while the creators felt they made an epic and endearing adventure, they forgot that the people watching are very much interested in its story and trying to connect to the characters and plots. "epic", beautiful aesthetics and pure action only works for so long. You need substance, elements that get people invested in your world in the form of story elements; (sub-)plots, characters, lore, settings and themes. All of them consistent, not contradicting themselves or coming out of nowhere without explanation. In the heat of production, when you and your team are invested and passionate about your work, it's easy to forget that the customers are not as invested and may not care about your intentions, and are in it for their own purposes.
Isn't this awkward
▶ 92439f (1) No.296004
>>294921
>The tv-show can have characters that are colored white, but then as a toy the character is colored pink, supposedly for marketing purposes.
Hmm, that sounds vaguely familiar.
▶ 6afe47 (1) No.296006
>>296001
>You need substance, elements that get people invested in your world in the form of story elements; (sub-)plots, characters, lore, settings and themes. All of them consistent, not contradicting themselves or coming out of nowhere without explanation.
What really hurts is that the show had all that when Faust and Renzetti were there. There were active sub-plots (the cutie mark crusade, Rarity's ambition, Rainbow Dash's half-assed quest to join the Wonderbolts, Luna's attempts to integrate herself into contemporary society), characters who were actively developing (Twilight in particular), lore (the royal sisters, various mythic elements that were only hinted at like Zecora's homeland and Tartarus), an established setting (a magically maintained villiage on the edge of a frighteningly non-magical forest all in a gigantic monster-filled world), and a consistent theme (a group of mismatched friends who rely on one another to overcome obstacles both mundane and otherworldly).
▶ db0fad (5) No.296040>>296042 >>296043
>>295923
>Notice what is not even a consideration in any of that? Telling a good story. The story is just a commodity, part of a business strategy. We complain that the show has not been the same since Faust left, and that right there is why. The thing that we actually liked about the show is something that a corporation cannot create. Only a storyteller can.
Harskamp said that to the Equestria Daily community that despite EqG, he still thinks MLP:FIM is currently the best toy show of all time, and that he can even deal with bad episodes like Spike episodes since "those are not nearly as bad as some old toy shows like the '80s Pound Puppies and '90s Littlest Pet Shop"
wtf kind of crap were they making in the past if FIM is the best one?
▶ fff846 (2) No.296042>>296056
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>296040
>wtf kind of crap were they making in the past if FIM is the best one?
This is mlp g3.5 Its from the early 2000 but is typical of the kind of shit that would pass for a girls show in the 90ies.
Take it from me little millennial, shit was bad back in the 90ies. Really bad.
▶ aeb4ec (2) No.296043>>296056
>>296040
I grew up on 80s toy commercials/adventure cartoons, and they truly were godawful. I mean, they are completely unwatchable as an adult. I do not think that he is wrong in saying that FiM is the all-time best of them, particularly if you only really consider the first couple seasons.
The show is unique in that it has certain episodes that are legitimately brilliant. In particular, Meghan McCarthy's early episodes were laced with surprises, misdirection, and unique plot devices that you would usually expect to find in more sophisticated media. Fullerton and Keating-Rodgers did some creative stretching as well. The effect was that "Bridle Gossip," "Party of One," "Green Isn't Your Color," "Sweet and Elite," "Hurricane Fluttershy," and the like all seemed remarkably unlike anything that had preceded them. Even certain later episodes like "Rarity Investigates" and "Perfect Pear" utilized some clever storytelling devices (God, I wish that Lewis and Songco could have been a part of the early seasons). Even now, with all of our very valid complaints about the shattered narrative, FiM is still leagues better than the other toy commercials masquerading as entertainment out there. FiM is more comparable to Roddenberry's Star Trek than it is to the 80s Transformers.
▶ aeb4ec (2) No.296044>>296056
>>296041
Life is good, Mr. Normalfag.
▶ 1ffaa6 (2) No.296056>>296058 >>296060 >>296063 >>296078
>>296044
Do I look like a normie to you, mr. dubs?
(Sorry for the necessary naming btw)
>>296042
>>296043
Yes, a lot of stuff from the past was *really* bad. G3.5 (which came from the late '2000s btw, not early) *was not even the worst offender*. Even G3 fans (who nowadays mostly reside on Tumblr) do not like G3.5. And don't think G3.5 only existed in the flash animations; they had toys and were in the McDonalds happy meal toys in 2009. They existed until half a year after FIM started, so into 2011.
Also, >>296043 is pretty bang on the money. However, the writers do not deserve a lot of criticism. Let me explain; they have to write stories that fit into 20 minute episodes and can be watched independently from other episodes. They needed to cut parts or add padding, so pacing or proper exposition/plots could go haywire. This is what clearly happened when Twilight became an alicorn; too little screentime to set it up properly. It's nobody's fault, just limitations based on contract and production restraints that are difficult to work with.
That is why the shorts online are often better; the time constraints do not exist. (except of course production limitations)
TF, MLP and other franchises from Hasbro and the other companies however face a new problem, and >>295918 quoted it. franchise fatigue. TF's current generations are getting too old and show their wear and tear, but they seem too popular to do away with. MLP:FIM is the lone survivor of all tv-toy shows from the 2010 generation - LPS, Strawberry, Care Bears and so on are gone. There is no toy show that ran as long as MLP:FIM did, but it cannot last forever. And given that Hasbro treated both the bronies and little girls very well at Hascon, I don't think they want to do away with their two curious audiences.But how will they handle the inevitable downfall or slow death of their franchise?
For me, I want to get in the toy industry with my own ideas and perspectives from the eyes of a game designer/programmer who analyzed tv toys - and hopefully be able to save an IP and bring it to new heights using digitalization since TV is being less used in exchange for the digital. We'll see if i can get it anywhere. I do have *some* high concept pitch for tv-toy IP's lying around, including Hasbro's. Or I don't get it anywhere and I'm just an idiot grasping at straws. Time will tell, and of course difficult questions from people to keep me on the ground and constantly challenge me. That is why I've been talking/listening to the fanbases and even the chans. Especially the latter are very honest and direct, and less professionally polite
▶ 1ffaa6 (2) No.296058>>296063
>>296056
(cont.) see, a lot of people in the field don't tell in public if they think something is crap; you guys do. In private they maybe say one or two things, but they want to be friendly and network. And so I get nothing of actual value. And I would have it no other way - I do not matter, the end result matters. When i talk to bronies or transformers fans, they are very hard and ask difficult questions. When I talk to hobbyist or toy industry insiders, they rarely criticize me or try to ask hard questions. I don't get "offended" or break down after figuring out somebody spots a flaw. I just reflect and adjust.
That is also reflected in the way people see me when they notice i go to "evil dark places" like chans. I don't mind their judgement in that - there are valuable nuggets of information to be found here, because everybody is so free to speak their minds.
▶ fff846 (2) No.296060>>296063 >>296065 >>296078 >>296079
>>296056
>they have to write stories that fit into 20 minute episodes and can be watched independently from other episodes
No they don't. Anime has been doing season long stories with each episode designed not necessarily be independently viewable, and they have been doing this kind of shit since the 70ie or earlier. The west may be new to this, but its not like its impossible to do. A lot of western productions could probably learn a lot from the way anime's are written in regards to how to handle continuity and season long arcs.
It shouldn't be so hard to make a season long story written as one long story rather than stand alone episodes. Its not like kids these days can't just look up episodes they missed on youtube, netflix. And if you make the next seasons story about a different group of characters in the same universe you can still bring back old fan favourites for cameos and build on to the continuity and lore of the previous shows, letting you do more and more complex stories and world building without the need to exposit and establish everything, since previous seasons have already done much of the work.
Hell, Hasbro would get to show off new toysets and entire new lineups of characters every single season. This would be far better than crystal castle playsets of those awful friendship power rainbow recolours and the like. This is what shows like powerrangers have been doing for decades. Why is it noone else in the industry have taken note of this kind of shit?
Also, for the love of fuck, if there's anything to learn from the success of MLP:FIM over shit like g3 and g3.5, its that kids can handle more complex writing and more conflict in their shows than teaparties and fashion shows.
▶ bdae78 (1) No.296063>>296078
>>296056
>This is what clearly happened when Twilight became an alicorn; too little screentime to set it up properly.
Indeed, twenty-two minutes was not nearly enough time to tell the story that Larson wanted to tell, but more than anything else that points to a fatal flaw in the conception of the episode. I am an opera buff, and I can tell you that there is a reason that operas take four hours to tell a simple story. Singing can pack a ton of emotional expression into a small window of time, but it slows the plot down to near a dead stop. For that reason, stage musicals and operettas do all of their storytelling in between the musical set pieces. The idea that they would complete the narrative of the series entirely within twenty-two minutes of solid music is something that a musician like Daniel Ingram should have seen for the impossibility that it was. Maybe he did warn Larson and company. Who knows?
There are a ton of other issues with that particular episode that I could bitch about, but no doubt we have been over them many times before. Larson is not to blame for them all of course, nor is he bad at what he does. A whole lot of factors came together to make that one a hot mess.
Also, speaking to what >>296060 said, they did not need to do it all in twenty-two minutes. Sprinkling elements of it into previous episodes would have been a great way to get a lot of the time-consuming build-up out of the way. In fact, they should have used the build-up that was already in place, namely the friendship lessons. Why base her ascension on the "new magic" ass-pull when the theme of the show provided ample justification? One more big friendship lesson would have done the trick. It would even have been a simple enough story to tell in song.
>Especially the latter are very honest and direct, and less professionally polite
You can always count on us to be assholes. You can't count on us to know what we are talking about, though. A lot of what we say on the chans is just the screechings of ignorant autists.
>>296058
Good luck. Maybe you could give Faust a ring and find out if she has a new idea for a franchise that you two could try to sell.
▶ ee49e6 (1) No.296065
>>296060
Tea parties and fashion shows made for some of FiM's finest moments.
▶ e27b85 (18) No.296078
>>296060
>>296063
> Its not like kids these days can't just look up episodes they missed on youtube, netflix.
>mfw that back in the '80s you couldn't do that
Hasbro has not been going so well with the times, haven't they?
Harskamp >>296056 is right; it's not the writers fault, its piss-poor business practice that has its head stuck in the 1980's.
>For me, I want to get in the toy industry with my own ideas and perspectives from the eyes of a game designer/programmer who analyzed tv toys - and hopefully be able to save an IP and bring it to new heights using digitalization since TV is being less used in exchange for the digital.
This can work - good luck my dude, you're gonna need it to cram new ideas in the heads of people who think their ideas of the past 30 years are infallible.
▶ 14b256 (2) No.296079>>296094
>>296060
>anime
I certainly like the idea of them having more time to tell a story, but I'm afraid of the likely probability that Hasbro will go the Naruto route and make 98% filler.
▶ 238368 (1) No.296081>>296085
▶ 562000 (5) No.296085>>296106
>>296081
We're back. All it takes is a few frantic emails to do the trick.
▶ 5326d7 (1) No.296094>>296105
>>296079
I wouldn't mind it if it's good filler like One Piece's. As said before, bronies, men in general, prefer the world building and global scale conflicts. Insights on other cultures and characters would be nice. I want to know how Appleloosa is doing, what life outside of Equestria is like, what Zecora faces daily on the Everfree Forest, if the changeling utopia really works, I want to see more about the other races, is the friendship between Amber and Thorax working out? How is life on the Crystal Empire? What do we know about Shining Armor's and Cadance's pasts as royal guard and princess without a kingdom? What does Discord do when he's not having another tea party with Fluttershy? What the hell happened to the Diamond Dogs and their culture before turning into regular EQD cameos? So much potential, so much wasted potential…
▶ c359b5 (1) No.296105>>296116
>>296094
>As said before, bronies, men in general, prefer the world building and global scale conflicts.
Absolute bullshit. World-building is only useful for setting the scene for a story, and taking the little pastel horses out of their small town lives and inserting them into high-stakes epic conflicts was one of the biggest mistakes that the show creators made after Faust left.
>Insights on other cultures and characters would be nice. I want to know how Appleloosa is doing, what life outside of Equestria is like, what Zecora faces daily on the Everfree Forest, if the changeling utopia really works, I want to see more about the other races, is the friendship between Amber and Thorax working out? How is life on the Crystal Empire? What do we know about Shining Armor's and Cadance's pasts as royal guard and princess without a kingdom? What does Discord do when he's not having another tea party with Fluttershy? What the hell happened to the Diamond Dogs and their culture before turning into regular EQD cameos?
Fuck all of that. If they were to cut every single one of those, apart from Zecora, out of the show it would only make it better.
▶ db0fad (5) No.296106>>296108 >>296116
>>296085
and where would you send these emails to?
Hasbro? They don't take unsollicited ideas anon.
This is because too many idiots come in with shit ideas like showing off a bunch of blue blocks. Then it gets declined, Then later on, Hasbro makes, for example, a set of colored blocks for 1-year olds and the idiots scream "LOOK! THEY STOLE MY BLUE BLOCKS! REEEEE", so to prevent this you need to go through approved agents which costs a shitton of money, if you're not being scammed altogether (people who accept your payment and then say nothing anymore)
There are only a few decent agents. I'll go digging.
▶ bbf60d (1) No.296108
>>296106
Hm… Ones that are shit are Revlon, Shelly Goldberg, Exceld, NewFuntiers, Ball Corp and Inventech. I don't know who is decent tho.
▶ 14b256 (2) No.296116>>296135
>>296105
This guy gets it. The world is the stage, the part that actually matters is the character's struggle and eventual growth. I kinda wish they would go back to the Dear Princess Celestia era, just because it forced the writers to work from a perspective that focused on growth.
>>296106
Lel, let's just set up a horsefucker publishing and talent agency. Surely it's not that much paperwork.
▶ e27b85 (18) No.296135>>296146 >>296150 >>296183
>>296116
>Lel, let's just set up a horsefucker publishing and talent agency. Surely it's not that much paperwork.
yes anon, surely the great and powerful hasbro will listen to chan culture.
(why not ask the EqD to contact Hasbro? both sides are on good terms with each other, and EqD mods said Hasbro employees recognized them at Hascon, and these employees even had a VIP dinner for bronies with them)
▶ db0fad (5) No.296146>>296150 >>296183
>>296135
that… might actually work.
▶ c038ca (1) No.296150>>296183 >>296325 >>296395
>>296146
>>296135
>(why not ask the EqD to contact Hasbro? both sides are on good terms with each other, and EqD mods said Hasbro employees recognized them at Hascon, and these employees even had a VIP dinner for bronies with them)
DO IT
Transformers died at the box office
G.I. Joe has been cancelled
Pone will die too in a year or two if Hasbro keep milking it like this.
if this guy can do it, I am willing to try and see what happens.
▶ 850328 (1) No.296183>>296395
>>296150
>>296135
>>296146
I can't wait to see where this goes to
>Mfw toy show's can actually get good in my lifetime
Feels good, man.
▶ 390ea7 (1) No.296325>>296395
>>296150
>Gi Joe is dead
I 'would' actually say no because of the comics, but since that is only untalented idiots from IDW mutilating it's corpse, it's a yes.
▶ e27b85 (18) No.296395>>296397
>>296325
>>296183
>>296150
>Toys 'r Us declared chapter 11
>IDW is killing itself with SJW'ism and pretending it should make Marvel-ish comics, blames Marvel for their problems.
HARSKAMP YOU FAGGOT SAVE THE TOY INDUSTRY ALREADY
▶ 562000 (5) No.296397>>296398 >>296432
>>296395
He just needs more support. And we need a new project
I hereby call the first meeting of the Harskamp election committee to order. We need about four more slogans with hopefully some better visuals, and I want at least one of them to imply "New Faust" because that's how we should bill him. Once we got enough propaganda, as much as I hate those guys, we should take the idea to /mlp/ and get them on the Lucas train as well. Then maybe if there's time we can figure out something fancy to shill on Derpi and EqD.
▶ e27b85 (18) No.296398>>296404 >>296410 >>296432
>>296397
slogans and memes may work for us but not for corporations. What they need is clarity. With all the mayhem in the toy industry and the deaths of TF and G.I. Joe, I doubt Hasbro wants to fuck over MLP, especially if the movie goes well.
Harskamp's ideas can work with that to prevent it, since he's an outsider who did research. He said he has high production concept pitches lying around for some of Hasbro's franchises (MLP too?) so I guess he can readily pitch them. His LinkedIn shows he did networking in the toy industry, so he knows a couple of people.
Lucas, can you explain on EqD or wherever what you have in mind?
▶ e27b85 (18) No.296404>>296432
>>296398
on EQD Discord Lucas said that he wanted us to ask him first before doing anything, but that he's open to the idea and said he would relook his concept. He suggested he could pitch it to the EqD admins since they are in direct contact with Hasbro, then if they approve go up the chain.
▶ 562000 (5) No.296410>>296432
>>296398
>slogans and memes may work well for us
Yes, yes, that's the idea. I want to get the entire fandom talking about Harskamp. I know Hasbro is watching, and if everywhere they look they see people excited about an up and coming freelance writer/gamedev, they might actually make the first move, or else let him steamroll in when he contacts them.
▶ 8186ff (1) No.296412>>296413 >>296432
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You guys are misunderstanding how Hasbro works. They ride a franchise into the ground, but then they reboot it right after it dies. They expect MLP, G.I. Joe, and The Transformers to die every now and then. As soon as they do, new generations will be in the works. They have been doing that since the mid-eighties. In short, they do not particularly wamt their franchises to go on. On the contrary, them dying gives Hasbro a chance to create new toy lines.
▶ e27b85 (18) No.296413>>296418 >>296432
>>296412
and there in lies the problem.
Lucas said that if MLP dies and gets revived, it will be completely different and could alienate either the bronies or the "little girls", and he says he has ideas to solve that problem.
During Hascon, Hasbro showed it does care for the bronies giving them a complete VIP dinner, so I doubt they want to get rid of them.
▶ a66687 (1) No.296418>>296424 >>296432
>>296413
One thing's for sure, it'll be animated by Boulder Media and won't be from a Faust type. I personally expect it to go back to square one and be a mostly ignored little girls only product.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.296424>>296432
>>296418
and you don't think Hasbro realizes this so they just milk out FIM and don't know what to do afterwards?
▶ e854e4 (1) No.296432>>296434 >>296479 >>296480
>>296424
>>296418
>>296413
>>296412
>>296410
>>296404
>>296398
>>296397
I know what you guys want, don't start bothering the poor folk over at Hasbro, okay?
I've re-read and reworked the high concept pitch.
I'll talk to my wife about it tonight and if I can see I can make a good contribution and not be completely useless and just full of myself I'll contact the EqD admins.
▶ c01da4 (1) No.296434
>>296432
>don't start bothering the poor folk over at Hasbro, okay?
Are you kidding? Annoying the show creators is what this fandom is all about.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.296479
>>296432
>Doesn't want us to be his personal army when it's offered
Is this a first?
▶ 14361f (1) No.296480
>>296432
>poor folk over at Hasbro
▶ e644b0 (2) No.296481>>296482
Wait a second what the fuck is this thread, who is this Harskamp and how can he even influence Hasbro in any way and why shouldn't I just report him right now for namefagging?
▶ dc0067 (1) No.296482>>296484
>>296481
Because the way that he is using a name is precisely why the name field exists. Lurk moar furfag.
▶ e644b0 (2) No.296484>>296503
>>296482
Fine. I always though it's only reserved for artistic content.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.296500>>296503 >>296523 >>296526 >>296587 >>298186
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/toy-research-denying-request-lucas-harskamp/
He thought about it… and it's a no. (he posted this on EqD Discord)
TL;DR : the toy industry can't get the hint that it needs to change a lot in the more "digital" age, despite all the recent losses, and he wants to wait until they get that.
▶ 562000 (5) No.296503>>296505 >>296506 >>296507 >>296533
>>296484
Writing is an art form. Plus the name field is really just to be used anywhere it would actually matter in a conversation that someone be identifiable.
>>296500
Shame. Alright, do we sit back and watch it burn like he suggests or is there anything we can do in the meantime?
▶ 978f89 (21) No.296505
>>296503
>Shame. Alright, do we sit back and watch it burn like he suggests or is there anything we can do in the meantime?
I can see where he's coming from; a friend of mine worked in a store chain whose main competitor had gone fully online, like selling and delivering products. So, the company saw it had to go online as well or go under. When this was announced, many employees (mostly relative higherups and old folk) rebelled, saying it would give them more work and that this isn't the way it always worked.
I think the best we can do is archive his article and shove it in somebody's face when a prediction comes true, and see how long it lasts until somebody sees it.
▶ 683cc6 (1) No.296506>>296507
>>296503
>is there anything we can do in the meantime?
Nope. We have been bitching and moaning for five years, and that is the extent of our abilities.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.296507>>296534
>>296503
>>296506
OR we could spread that article all around the toy circles
▶ 3791f3 (1) No.296523
>>296500
>So, let's assume that through some miracle I'm allowed to pitch - why would a group of higherups and investors, always having relied on their old methods, think mine would be fine even though there is risk for the IP, financially and for their company behind it? and if it gets greenlit, how does a team then allow itself to change the way it approaches production by so much?
What he needs is a team where everybody believes that the changes are necessary. It won't be easy to put that together, and I doubt he can fill the team with too many bronies.
▶ ca9bdf (2) No.296526
>>296500 (dubs checked)
that robert green quote at the end is spot on.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.296533
>>296503
>Shame. Alright, do we sit back and watch it burn
Actually, he doesn't appear to suggests he wants see shit burn. He's more like he wants to wait until its a good moment.
Is he up to something?
▶ 3e715c (1) No.296534>>296549
>>296507
Which amounts to nothing.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.296549>>296550 >>296587
>>296534
You never know. They're already acting as he predicted.
http://archive.is/Yxv3p
▶ 60b601 (1) No.296550>>296551
>>296549
They have been propping up Toys 'r' Us for a long while now. Retail is at death's door, and I suspect that it will not be too long before the big toy companies start to go under. I am calling the My Little Pony will be a Disney property within ten years just like The Muppets.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.296551>>296555
>>296550
>Retail is at death's door
So? Hasbro and Mattel make toys. Whether it gets sold online or in a store shouldn't matter
▶ 03b02a (1) No.296555>>296585 >>296587
>>296551
So, their entire business model is built upon retail sales. With retail, Mattel and Hasbro are able to sign deals with chains (just Toys r' Us now that KayBee and the rest are dead) that give their lines their own sections within the store and all but guaranteed market shares. Without retail, their products would have to compete in the morass that is online sales where the profits of individual companies fluctuate wildly thus making profit projections like throwing darts blindfolded.
Corporations do not produce products for markets that may or may not be there. Capital does not work like that. They need to know that people will buy their products, otherwise their intellectual properties--the advertising that they use to create their market shares–are worth nothing more than their direct procedes, which is hardly anything. Now, they may be worth something to a media megacorp like Disney that trades on that sort of thing, but to toy companies without retail deals they are useless.
▶ ca9bdf (2) No.296585>>296587 >>296588
>>296555 (trips of thought was put into this)
Amazon and other online sellers divide their toys by brands, and MLP is listed as a prominent brand on Amazon (this depends of course on your location). If this system is improved upon, it can work as a partial replacement of retail.
The only one that doesn't appear to do this is AliExpress.
▶ bc7a1a (1) No.296587>>296589
>>296549
>>296500
>But here's the thing: I'm not going to do it. The reason is the toy industry; they don't want to change, not even in the face of disaster like with the last Transformers movie, GI Joe, Lego and Toys r Us. With the latter everyone wants to desperately hold on to it, even a CEO from a big company wants to bail it despite it being abundantly clear its time has gone and they didn't change enough. Its fate is similar to Venice and the Qing Dynasty. Hasbro is making similar mistakes; when Littlest Pet Shop died because of low toy sales (as I predicted) they just made a new show that will likely die from similar reasons but quicker.
..
>Toys ‘R’ Us Will Live Because Mattel and Hasbro Can’t Let It Die
why?!
>>296555 (trips checked)
so? its like what >>296585 says, you can always have a different outlet or make deals that amazon etc get promoted toys that come from specific toys in the brands that Hasbro/Mattel wants to prop up.
▶ 4d6e94 (2) No.296588>>296601
>>296585
People shop at online retailers, as well as the megastores like Wal-Mart, differently than they used to shop at the specialty chains of old. Shoppers go online usually knowing exactly what they want. They scroll down until they get to specific items and then select them.
Specialty stores, in particular toy stores like Toys r' Us, are a different experience. Going to Toys r' Us is an event more than a task. When a family goes shopping there the parent usually tells the child to pick out something they want in their price range. The child then wanders the aisles (which all had the curious scent of Play-doh) and finds what they want but not before taking a good long look at everything there. A family might spend an hour at Toys r' Us whereas they might have spent five minutes at Amazon. During that time the child becomes more acquainted with the various toy lines out there. The big lines grab her interest the most, and she is encouraged to look for them by the cartoons that she watches on Saturday mornings. She went to the pink aisles hoping to find a specific doll, but while looking around she sees a playset that she wants for all her dolls. She sees accessories for her dolls. She sees other dolls of interest. Then she starts begging her parents.
As you can see, this system makes a lot of things possible. Kids are encouraged to acquire entire line-ups rather than just specific toys of interest. They don't just want Optimus Prime. They also want Megatron, Sound Wave, Bumble Bee, Star Scream, and all of the Destructicons. They do not just want Barbie. The also want her Malibu Dream Car and all of her different outfits. Rather than just selling individual toys that kids want, toy companies are able to sell entire lines based on a particular property. That's the magic of retail. That is what makes The Transformers, My Little Pony, and all the rest possible.
▶ 4d6e94 (2) No.296589
>>296587
>you can always have a different outlet
All outlets are not created equally.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.296601>>296606
>>296588 (dubs checked)
sell them online as "combined set of toys" then? A combo of dolls combined, a bit cheaper than all individual parts combined if bought individually? (e.g. Optimus+Bumblebee+Megatron+Starscream)
▶ cd9ec9 (2) No.296606>>296607
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>>296601
>A combo of dolls combined, a bit cheaper than all individual parts combined if bought individually?
That is precisely the problem. Bundling products together makes them collectively cheaper for the consumer. That means that the company spends more on production costs--since they ship more toys–for a smaller profit margin since, in addition to the higher production costs, they have to price their products down from what they cost when sold seperately. That is why toy companies have been selling their products piece by piece since Star Wars pioneered the system.
▶ cd9ec9 (2) No.296607
>>296606
In b4 economics of scale. The only way for that to work is if there is a market that can absorb more of a commodity than is already being produced. Hasbro, Mattel, and their former competitors have been filling out that market for a long while now. The only way for either of them to grow would be by devouring the other, and that would ruin the retail chain that they both rely on anyway.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.296648>>296652
▶ 36563c (2) No.296652>>296653
>>296648
>3% annual growth
So barely sustainable. Hey, that's way better than most retail. From the article it would seem that the company is attempting to do what Toy's 'r Us used to do before Amazon undercut them. It will be interesting to see just how big of a niche the old Toys r' Us experience still is.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.296653>>296654
>>296652
it is a big niche… for people who work in the toy industry and are nostalgic about the good ol '80, 90's and early 2010's
the consumers don't care they just want to use products at home (or in the street, depending)
▶ 36563c (2) No.296654
>>296653
Yes indeed. Consumers gonna consume.
▶ 4d5952 (2) No.296686>>296687 >>296688 >>296690
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Okay, to ANYONE who thinks Harskamp is a normalfag; he's been killing it on EqD Discord Discussions tab, tearing "progressives" a new hole.
Also, new video on toys r us. recommend watch, has info you fags haven't seen before.
▶ a432f7 (1) No.296687
▶ 4d5952 (2) No.296688>>296689
>>296686
It's fun to watch, he's still going at it.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.296689
>>296688 (double dubs checked)
holy shit that was fantastic! You could see the thug life glasses on his face almost every single time he wrote something.
▶ 753cc1 (1) No.296690>>296692 >>296699
>>296686
So yeah, their sales declined after they took out a large loan to take the franchise out of public trading. What the guy misses in his analysis is what happened just two years after buyout: the 2008 market crash. When the bloated housing market finally fell through, it financially fucked homeowners sideways, and homeowners are retail's primary consumer demographic. Consumer purchasing power fell through the floor and has never recovered. Even a famously unaffected market like toys felt that hit. Worst of all, because Toys 'r Us was selling their products at retail prices while Amazon and the big box stores like Target and Wal-Mart were selling them at a steep discount, Toys r' Us got the worst of it.
Now, consider what would have happened if the buyers of Toys 'r Us had held their load for two years. When the crash hit, the resulting losses would have been spread out among the shareholders (including a lot of poor suckers with 401k plans). Instead, the new owners took it on the chin themselves. If they had waited to make the buyout, we would be talking about perhaps the last of the great retail giants instead of the hamstrung dead weight that Hasbro and Mattel have to carry around.
Another thing that he missed was that Toys r' Us has been in the video game business since before the NES was a thing. I remember getting my old Genesis from a Toys r' Us. If video games had cut into the sales of other toys (which they most certainly did) it would not have been to the detriment of Toys r' Us, since they have long had enormous video games sections in their stores. Perhaps they were hurt by the move that video game companies made toward selling DLC and other scams that are purchased without retail involvement.
Also, we should consider the untimely demise of every other retail toy chain. Like Toys r' Us the 2008 crash devastated Kay Bee and the rest to the point that they became insolvent. Toys r' Us took advantage by buying their former competitors' properties and taking their market shares. Usually, that sort of thing leads to a windfall for the purchasers, but the market was so weak that it was nowhere near enough.
So, the owners of Toys r' Us attempted a bold move at the worst possible time. Luckily for them, with banruptcy the only people who actually lose are taxpayers. Is anyone else here old enough to remember when regular citizens were able to declare bankruptcy, and it actually absolved debt?
▶ 4c07df (2) No.296692
▶ 4c07df (2) No.296699>>296708 >>296723
>>296690
British Toy Industry fag here
You also have to understand this; there's a lot of "indie" toys out there. Most of it is crap, idiots thinking their "innovative skills" (ripping off others) will launch them a glorious path into the toys scene. They sometimes cause problems for the bigger brands since they flood online retail, like on AliExpress. These faggots barely sell enough to clear the credit they got earlier for making it all possible, and then get into deep trouble when their liabilities get caught up with them. I think this is why Hasbro/Mattel want to save Toys 'r Us so bad. Sure, I don't like Toys 'r Us dying either but I don't see the need either to salvage that trainwreck, even though I always got my videogames there from my parents as a young faggot.
Anyway; except for a few, all of these "indie inventors" flood the market with their garbage, cause problems for the companies worth a damn and then follow "be an inventor for us" parties like sheep to slaughter.
Harskamp is different, though. I've been following his work. He doesn't propose making shit new IP's, but instead work on what is around. And I agree. Now, my company unfortunately can't use his work, but many others can.
I'm impressed how he manages to work with so many different kinds of people. Normally people like to work with customers or industry folk. He works with industry folk, businessmen, consumers and even fandoms. (yes Lucas I've seen you commenting in the LinkedIn toy groups…)
Even went to talk to him myself, he probably knows who I am.
If Hasbro/Mattel wants to innovate, I'd suggest they go talk to him. But that has to come from themselves.
▶ b41f48 (1) No.296708
>>296699
>These faggots barely sell enough to clear the credit they got earlier for making it all possible, and then get into deep trouble when their liabilities get caught up with them.
>Anyway; except for a few, all of these "indie inventors" flood the market with their garbage, cause problems for the companies worth a damn and then follow "be an inventor for us" parties like sheep to slaughter.
Ah, the miserable plight of the entrepreneuer! They all think that they are going to be Andrew Carnegie right up until they get the foreclosure notice.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.296723>>296724 >>296726
>>296699
(double dubs checked)
>Harskamp is different, though. I've been following his work.
Now why are some of you toy folk following this guy but not the other inventors? Just curious.
▶ f7ddcd (2) No.296724
▶ f7ddcd (2) No.296726>>296728
>>296723
British toy fag here again, I'm on my office computer and I'll write this quickly.
There are two reasons; one, mostly those silly inventors come in pretending they can save the world with a few dumb items, and then get confused when it fails. Mr. Harskamp simply came with his ideas like an outside ideaman researcher and asked people to tear his shit to pieces to see if it is any good.
Nobody does that. Nobody. They all want "positive thoughts and reactions". They all do, it's sickening. I made a remark a few weeks ago about the Emoji movie (somebody though they should make a toy line out of it - seriously), and guess what the response was? "you're just jealous you didn't make this cool movie"
No, seriously, that is what happened.
I talked to Lucas because he seemed more open, I said a lot of arguments why his shit wouldn't work, and instead of getting defensive he just showed examples from old toy shows to refute my points. He hasn't got his head up his ass and that's good enough for me. I hope his work get somewhere because it's good.
That he doesn't want to do so, however, is logical since everybody still thinks times are great even though that passed.
We'll see what happens.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.296728>>296768 >>296771
>>296726
>Thinking emoji movie is good
is that why McDonalds kept peddling it for more than a month after it released?
▶ e27b85 (18) No.296768>>296968 >>297104
>>296728
yes. so many professionals don't talk with consumers, so they become completely out of touch and think "well adult reviewers hated it, but kids loved it right guys?"
And then there is this guy.
http://www.toyindustryjournal.com/?p=397
In what kind of fantasy world do you have to live to not only think retail will get new glory years, TrU will too?
▶ 7ae0e2 (1) No.296771
>>296728
>mcdonalds
Pepper your angus for mlp movie toys. McDicks has had all the mlp rights for fast food toys so far
▶ e27b85 (18) No.296968>>297068 >>297104
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>>296768
oh boy the delusions are only getting worse
where can I get off this train?
▶ e27b85 (18) No.297068>>297104 >>297105
▶ 978f89 (21) No.297104
>>296768
>>296968
>>297068
>all your digits end with 68
WHAT DOES KEK MEAN WITH THIS?!
Also, I saw that vid before it got removed
They really live in a fantasy world, wtf.
>Harskamp was right again.
(is he /ourguy/?)
▶ 978f89 (21) No.297105>>297122
>>297068
>"It's going to transform the experience of coming into a Toys R Us bricks and mortar store and turn it into something that’s quite different and a lot more fun,'' Brandon told USA TODAY. "We believe that’s going to drive a lot more traffic into our stores which will ultimately put us in a position where we can be more successful at growing our sales and our company.’’
YOU JUST FILED CHAPTER 11 YOU HALFWIT
▶ 9e207c (1) No.297116>>297120 >>297145
>>293066 (OP)
>Littlest Pet Shop was decent yet I can't see people flocking around it like they did with MLP.
A crucial difference: the character designs of LPS were disgusting.
▶ e2f84a (1) No.297120>>297145
>>297116
MLP also has a much nicer setting.
▶ 18c02d (1) No.297122>>297145
>>297105
I think that he was appointed by the financiers who own Hasbro's debt.
▶ e27b85 (18) No.297145
>>297116
>>297120
LPS was second best behind MLP and ran for 4 seasons, bronies just never liked it.
>>297122
he's CEO since 2015
▶ e27b85 (18) No.297204
http://toyworldmag.co.uk/blog/that-joke-isnt-funny-anymoreits-the-friday-blog/
THE DELUSIONS CONTINUE STILL
At the end of the article though there is a funny bit
>Finally, this week’s Channel 4 Barbie documentary gave us some entertaining moments, but alongside Barbie herself, the other star of the show had to be presenter Mary Portas’ son. His reaction to his mother’s attempts to encourage him to play with gender neutral toys was absolutely priceless; he may now be on Let Toys be Toys’ hit-list, but the next time the industry is attacked for perceived gender-bias, we should wheel him out as our industry spokesperson -- he really wasn’t having any of it!
THE SON IS /OURGUY/
▶ 67b413 (1) No.297312
>>293349
>PINK CELESTIA, ANYONE?
I recall Faust said the stupid toy retailers demanded that change.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.297328>>297339 >>297341
Holy shit, Harskamp has uncanny timing. He wasn't joking when he said the troubles of the industry were something he was going to wait to ride out, since everything got leaked. >>297261
Could this mean the end of FIM if Hasbro decides to axe their relationship with DHX over this?
▶ 332660 (1) No.297339>>297341
>>297328
FiM was just about dead anyway. The movie is a last gasp.
▶ 2b6393 (2) No.297341>>297342 >>297346 >>297354 >>297405 >>297457
>>297339
>>297328
>Hasbro cuts DHX off, DHX goes elsewhere but dies since they know they break contracts
>FIM ends
>Harskamp brought in to save FIM, the fandom and target audience, fandom creates a "become alicorn" scene for him.
>shitty writers/producers with political autism leave
I want to believe.
▶ ec65f7 (1) No.297354>>298073
>>297341
FiM cannot be what it was again without a reboot and a faust-like visionary at the head of the project. Really, the show itself is still good. Most of the new writers are good. The old writers were good. Whatever your complaints about the politics of the show creators are, they do good work. It is just the universe that is irrevocably ruined, and that is entirely owing to the fact that the toy commercial was more important to the company than Faust's artistic creation.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.297457
>>297341
I want to believe
▶ 64d2f4 (1) No.297469>>298073
>>293066 (OP)
Well yes. It is because it's good.
The world is beautiful, characters are lovable, the stories are fantastic, especially in season 7, and for me personally, it kinda makes me nostalgic, and I'm not even sure why.
It's also fun to talk to people about it, if you couldn't already tell.
▶ e27b85 (18) No.298073>>298075 >>298090
>>297469
you're nostalgic because it probably reminds you of season 2.
>>297354
Hasbro has a policy as old as time that forbids anyone to create content based on politics. (Season 5 opener was allowed because it was based on Orwell's classics, not current day politics) Also if you look at the Scootaloo's "lesbian aunts" discussion, you can see they really want to put politics in there but probably were always shot down, until this "harmless" piece came in.
▶ 147c5b (2) No.298075>>298077
>>298073
And this is why everything will go to shit with these Twitter snowflakes around. They'll keep pushing it until they get their way.
A soft reboot with a visionary at the helm is the only option
▶ e27b85 (18) No.298077>>298078 >>298099 >>298100 >>298286
>>298075
well I think we can forget about Lucas as visionary because he wants to make his own toy franchise.
(that is, unless he says this because he thinks nobody will give him space on an existing toy brand)
▶ 147c5b (2) No.298078
>>298077
That sounds pretty neat - if he doesn't fuck it up.
▶ 26f2d1 (1) No.298090
>>298073
>(Season 5 opener was allowed because it was based on Orwell's classics, not current day politics)
It was a Vonnegut short story.
▶ 978f89 (21) No.298099>>298100 >>298286
>>298077
if dubs Harskamp will make toys great again, whether with MLP or his own shit
▶ aa99ff (1) No.298100>>298216 >>298286
>>298099
>>298077
GREATNESS WILL HAPPEN
▶ 562000 (5) No.298119>>298172 >>298186
Harskamp is busy pursuing his own goals, but we still have the problem of the show going to shit and its management making the worst possible decision at every opportunity. We wanted Lucas to be nuFaust but he don't wanna be, but we still need a new Faust. So why don't we just make one. Select a charismatic guy from among our ranks with the proper vision and all of us ghostwrite him a fuckton of stuff to boost credibility, then assemble a new pitch package and have him bring it to Hasbro.
▶ e27b85 (18) No.298172>>298216
>>298119
He didn't say he didn't want to be, he said he couldn't be for the moment. on the EqD discord he said he was open for it if the opportunity came in.
▶ e27b85 (18) No.298186
>>298119
check >>296500 he clearly says the reason is he says the market needs to change because of technology and the internet, but that he doesn't think they're open enough for it and wants to wait.
▶ ca81c3 (1) No.298206
>>293066 (OP)
>What makes bronies tick
Love of female horse cock
▶ 978f89 (21) No.298216
>>298100
oh boy it's gonna be fun
>>298172
I can confirm. he said on eqd discord he's very open about it but doubt he can get it anywhere
▶ 7a9e38 (1) No.298286>>298288
>>298077
>>298099
>>298100
If there will be no pone he'll make something else.
That is unless the share/stakeholders get pissed because of all the stupidity at dhx that damages the brand, shut it down and seek replacement.
▶ e27b85 (18) No.298288>>298337
>>298286
if dubs the investors are pissed as we speak
▶ b21b5a (4) No.298337>>298394
>>298288
dubs checked
things will get interesting
▶ 66262b (2) No.298394>>298414
>>298337
they already are >>298366
▶ b21b5a (4) No.298414
>>298394
well then.
and there's no way to let anyone pitch to hasbro?
▶ 5e6175 (1) No.298415>>298416 >>298418 >>298510
Well pressuring seemed to work
Too bad we're all broke though to pay up, unless someone sets up a gofundme and then somehow collects $4,000
▶ 3ec457 (1) No.298416>>298418 >>298510
>>298415
>paying to offer work to someone
Boy I wonder who could be behind this
>setup a gofund me
god goy
▶ 9feeba (2) No.298418>>298419 >>298422 >>298528
>>298416
that isn't strange that they want money for a pitch. these companies get hundreds of emails from morons a day who think they have something unique and special.
So if you have to pay up first it prevents a whole lot of idiots from coming in, except if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is.
>>298415
>someone to set up a gofundme
yes because the person doing that isn't totally a scam artist.
If Lucas himself did it, everyone would see him as a fraud if he walked away with the money. but if he did, then nobody would have to give jack shit and he would be a laughing stock.
I wonder what he's going to do about that.
▶ 9feeba (2) No.298419
>>298418
> but if he did,
*but if he just set up a gofundme and is honest about it, then nobody would have to give jack shit and he would be a laughing stock.
▶ b21b5a (4) No.298422
>>298418
this makes sense.
>why can't the EqD just forward him? I thought they were buddy-buddy with Hasbro
▶ 66262b (2) No.298510
>>298415
>>298416
top kek
he gets what he wants
we pay, he gets to pitch
he doesn't pay, and then nobody can bother him anymore.
▶ bf2786 (1) No.298528>>298532
>>298418
>paying corporations to work for them
The absolute state of America
▶ b21b5a (4) No.298532
>>298528
it happens in europe, russia and japan too.
it's to prevent morons from pitching, so only folk who put their money where their mouth is are allowed to pitch. remember; if hasbro would agree, hasbro would need to invest far more.
▶ c002cc (2) No.302190>>302199 >>302221 >>302223
LOOK WHO'S BACK
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/toy-research-christmas-update-lucas-harskamp/
>Prediction I made earlier: MLP can last for two, three more seasons before it runs out of proper ideas and either it becomes ridiculous, reuses old ideas or gets cancelled.
>Did it come true? Yes. Somebody inside the company is leaking material out to the public for reasons unknown. First, the entire season 7 was leaked including the movie (which was running in theaters and hadn't been released yet on DVD/Blue-ray/Netflix, mind you) , the show's story bible and the scripts for the movie and season 7. Right now, other leaks have followed, including potential designs for a revamp of the brand into its fifth form (generation 5) since 1983. This Gen5 would be set to release in 2021. If these leaks are correct and not false information, then my assertions were correct.
>I am personally against this. The fictional universe has a lot of options for meaningful storytelling for children that lie untapped and appear to be unnoticed - it could become the size and quality of stories like Narnia if handled properly. Why then isn't it used? Why not focus on other time frames or other characters/locations within the universe that can provide them?
▶ ea33d0 (1) No.302199
▶ c44796 (1) No.302221>>302387 >>302389
>>302190 I bet we're going to see more of him in the next few days. I garantuee it. And then he's going to make MLP great again and save us from G5.
▶ 9774a4 (1) No.302223>>302225 >>302297
>>302190
The universe is dead, Harskamp. It was Middle Earth back when there were only two princesses, but now it is incoherent. It needs a reboot, but more than anything else it needs an artist with a creative vision at the wheel. Instead it is going to get a team effort led by the marketing department.
▶ 20d25d (1) No.302225>>302230
>>302223
I agree with every one of your point except that it needs a reboot. There's tons of stuff in the current universe that hasn't been touched on, entire eras that could be explored by a new cast, without just scrapping everything.
▶ a57946 (1) No.302230
>>302225
Sure, but piling more stuff onto a bad foundation is what they have been doing since 2013. Making the world bigger and more defined does not correct the fundamental flaws that have the universe off the rails. Relocating the series to somewhere without a magical castle, a chaos god, and six-plus superheroines would help a lot. You can leave the superweapons and junior princesses behind, but at that point what would make it any different than a reboot?
Now, I could see a spinoff working if it followed one of the current characters. Send Rainbow Dash to Cloudsdale to be a full-time Wonderbolt. You could make a show out of that. You could also make a show out of Rarity in Canterlot or, if you want to get really radical, Fluttershy and Discord hopping around the world. Just so long as the characters have purpose it can work.
▶ c002cc (2) No.302297>>302392
>>302223
>incoherent
it's mostly that it changed direction without explanation. If somebody actually is going to explain what's going on you got most of the problems fixed. Like giving Celestia reasons why she wanted to make Twilight and Cadence alicorns.
▶ 22bd5d (2) No.302386>>302389 >>302507 >>302577 >>302667
British toy industry fag here
WHY THE FUCK IS HE ON THE FRIDAY FIVE?! That's high bloke shit!
https://toytales.ca/the-friday-five-lucas-harskamp/
▶ 22bd5d (2) No.302387
>>302221
:/
Why can't he save pone?
▶ 3ddb89 (7) No.302389>>302390
>>302386
>>302221
you know what? He said he would be fine with it if Hasbro came to him, right? Hasbro folk like Twitter so much, right? So why not tweet it to them? Let them see it - especially because of G5.
Just don't do it with alt-right accounts because that scares them off.
▶ abd0c8 (2) No.302390>>302391 >>302432 >>302714
>>302389
He's also been on LinkedIn… and Mary from ChiTag seems to approve. And Mary is connected to pretty much everyone because she handles inventions for so many toy people
lol, this means half the toy industry will be on lucas' faggot neck even before christmas begins.
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6350022602181877760/
▶ df6189 (1) No.302392>>302395 >>302432
>>302297
>If somebody actually is going to explain what's going on you got most of the problems fixed.
They would have to write a book to explain all the silly shit that happened between "MMMystery on the Friendship Express" and "Castle Mane-ia."
>Twilight, whose entire purpose in the series up to that point was to learn about friendship, had a BBBFF her entire life
>Cadence is a princess, why?
>Cadence ages
>Twilight's babysitter was a princess
>Celestia, goddess of the Sun, is useless in a fight
>who tipped off the guards about the changelings?
>Oh my god, am I still on that one episode?
>What the hell was going on a thousand years ago? Everything seems to have happened at once
>Why is the Crystal Empire a single city in the frozen wastes?
>How the hell is Cadence the crystal princess?
>Luna is now the guardian of dreams, and yet she was upset about ponies sleeping enough that she went crazy and tried to take over the world
>Luna can now visit dreams
>ponies are somehow okay with the boogyman that their version of Halloween is themed around inserting herself into their dreams
>If Rainbow Dash could hold every academy record after just one day of training, what the hell was she practicing for years before even trying out?
>Why does Spike even have a "dragon code?" The only dragons that he had seen before had either tried to kick his ass or eat him, and ponies have no information about dragons
>Why did Princess Celestia want Discord freed? She was terrified of him before
>that silly-ass cutie mark-switching spell
>why didn't she just cast it four more times to make everything go back to the way it was?
>why did it only affect those five?
>How, in a world full of magic, has nobody created any new magic except for the princesses? Are Celestia, Luna, and Cadence the source of all magic in history?
>Starswirl the Bearded is the "Father of the Amniamorphic Spell" without being able to create magic
>Their cutie marks were not even telling them to do those things! Fucking cutie marks, how do they work?
>How does Celestia know ponies' destinies?
>Princess Twilight never had to learn anything or take on any duties
>Do princesses not named Celestia actually do anything?
I guess they can be babysitters and librarians.
▶ 5e4a67 (1) No.302393
▶ c3bf7a (1) No.302395>>302432 >>303499
>>302392
Really, though, it's just the world-breaking issues that need to be fixed. Bad episodes and mistakes can be overlooked, but certain problems just constantly undermine the narrative. We have to know how Celestia and Luna work. We have to know how Equestrian civics works. We have to know what happened a thousand years ago. We have to know what the nature of the lesser princesses is. We need some rhyme or reason to how magic works.
In Faust's narrative we did not need to know about any of that, because none of it was particularly important to the stories or to the main characters. Those were far-away concerns, part of the lore of the universe to be explored at leisure. Now, Celestia is no longer mysterious and enigmatic so much as she is ill-defined. Now, the main character is a member of the cabal that rules the realm. Now, the heroines are throwing magic bolts around. Suddenly all that stuff is kind of important.
If they want to take the universe in a new direction then they need to pick one and go with it. People are still attached to Faust's narrative, because they have not been given a clear alternative. That should have been done in 2012.
▶ 3ddb89 (7) No.302432>>302449 >>302577
>>302391
>>302390
https://twitter.com/ToddCoopee/status/944396149653475328
just RT and Like with all pone-avatar twitter accounts you can find.
To tag:
@HasbroNews
@MMeghanMcCarthy
@hasbrocareers
@hasbrouk
@tarastrong
@Fyre_flye
@tanyathegamer
>but I don't like some of these accounts
whatever.
>but some can't do anything right?
They still have sway.
>>302395
>Really, though, it's just the world-breaking issues that need to be fixed.
this. most of them can be easily fixed with some explanation.
for example:
>>302392
<Cadence ages
>because she's "growing up" from her pony form to alicorn form like Twilight is.
<who tipped off the guards about the changelings?
>because they made a threat against them? It wasn't very subtle.
<Luna is now the guardian of dreams, and yet she was upset about ponies sleeping enough that she went crazy and tried to take over the world
>they often forgot their dreams and only were upset if she forced them to remember her work there, and they didn't care about the night sky. How would you feel after a while if the majority of your work is ignored while your sister basks in the sunlight? Add in some other probable causes for stress/breakdown and there you go.
<How, in a world full of magic, has nobody created any new magic except for the princesses? Are Celestia, Luna, and Cadence the source of all magic in history?
>This begs the question; what happened that we don't know about? Could be the source for good stories. Most of what we know of "the past" is through third-party sources e.g. legends and plays, not directly seeing it happen.
▶ 29689f (1) No.302449>>302450 >>302460
>>302432
>because she's "growing up" from her pony form to alicorn form like Twilight is.
We saw her as a teenager. If we assume that her subsequent growth is entirely a function of her gaining princess power, then that makes both her and Twilight immortal. That in itself is a problem, because it exascerbates other narrative holes like the origin of magic and the conspicuous absense of any princesses apart from Celestia for a thousand years.
>because they made a threat against them?
Exactly! Why in the hell would a bunch of infiltrators tell the guards that they are going to infiltrate them? It does not even qualify as a tactical error; it's just patently absurd.
>How would you feel after a while if the majority of your work is ignored while your sister basks in the sunlight?
What "Sleepless in Ponyville" broke is that they were not ignoring Luna's work. They were favoring one aspect of her work over another aspect. She had no reason to be jealous of Celestia if her beautiful night had only lost attention in favor of her own beautiful dreams. It spoils the Nightmare Moon story.
>Add in some other probable causes for stress/breakdown and there you go.
The demon possession angle from the IDW comics would have helped to fix that plothole, but they retconned it with "Twilight's Kingdom."
>Could be the source for good stories.
Yes, and at this point I would say that they are necessary stories.
▶ 9aaf05 (2) No.302450>>302454 >>302585
>>302449
The demon possession was bullshit and I'm glad it's gone. Trying to explain away a character's sins with a maguffin. Luna being troubled and deciding to turn against her sister makes a much better story.
▶ 0985ad (4) No.302454
>>302450
Absolutely, demon possession angle is fucking dumb.
▶ 3ddb89 (7) No.302460>>302492 >>302572
>>302449
>IDW
fortunately most bronies don't read those comics -.-
▶ 57965e (1) No.302492
▶ 52ddf6 (1) No.302494
I’m sure G5 will make dumbass retcons too, and get rid of core staff
▶ 0644de (1) No.302507
>>302386
>Some people disagree with my argument that consistency across a brand is a vital element. Some people have told me that there is no relationship between the quality of the show and toy sales and that the mere existence of the show does most of the work
This explains why so many shows are shit
▶ 950465 (1) No.302572
>>302460
IDW should never have existed.
▶ de5fcb (1) No.302577>>302665
>>302386
>However, parents do need to look out for shows that push a political opinions -- think that goes too far.
oh hi everything nowadays that's about teaching little kids about mean drumph (like the Emoji Movie)
>>302432
pic related
▶ edd171 (1) No.302585>>302595 >>302597
>>302450
Luna's attempted coup does not need to be "explained away," but it does need to be explained in light of subsequent additions to Luna's character. As it currently stands, Luna had absolutely no motivation for her coup. Without the possession angle, Nightmare Moon now makes no sense.
▶ 0985ad (4) No.302595>>302719
>>302585
It's like you missed the part where he told you what her motivation would be without it.
▶ bc04a0 (1) No.302597>>302665 >>302719
>>302585
Linda's motivation is plainly stated in the first minute of the show you stupid faggot, and the retarded "possession" headcanon is completely incompatible with it.
▶ 3ddb89 (7) No.302665>>302719
>>302597
^this^
>>302577
daily reminder from dubs here that the Hasbro-affiliated actors are autistic
▶ f2fdbb (1) No.302667>>302700 >>302981
>>302386
Friday Five of ToyTales? When the fuck did that happen?
If Hasbro/Mattel doesn't want his shit now I'll be surprised, considering most of their brands have gone through the shitter and need a revamp.
>You suggest in the ToyNews article that much of the television programming for children is created specifically to sell toys. Are children being done a disservice with this mentality?
>When written well and consistently, and if it has interesting characters, plots and settings, television programming draws children in and makes them think about what they’re seeing, so it does them a service rather than a disservice.
This… makes sense. Bronies and little girls only like MLP really when something that isn't written like shit is on screen. I just hate it so much that assholes think "ITS FOR KIDS KIDS ARE STUPID LETS MAKE SOMETHING DUMB THEY'LL LIKE ANYTHING!", it's degenerate. Anyone who disagrees has never seen /pone/ or just any brony messageboard.
▶ 0985ad (4) No.302700>>302707 >>302714
>>302667
Normies really enjoy underestimating the intellectual capabilities of children for some reason.
▶ 3ddb89 (7) No.302707
>>302700
>be me
>grown up in a household without TV - well, we have a screen, but only for VHS and what my parents recorded for us
>got read edgy fairy tales
>watched only movies that my parents deemed "good" (quality)
>never understood why
I do now.
▶ 54f89d (1) No.302714
>>302700 (dubs checked)
Why are normies so stupid
>>302390
I've been keeping track of that post.. new likes and comments are still being made, slowly
▶ 0bb7ee (1) No.302719>>302725 >>302728 >>302780
>>302595
>>302597
>>302665
You dumb shits, the jealousy explaination does not work when Luna is the guardian of dreams. She would have to be jealous of herself which makes no sense.
▶ 3ddb89 (7) No.302725>>302784
>>302719
unless as said before nopony usually remembers the dreams because, well, dreams unless she forces them too, which makes the ponies upset.
Yet her sister who works more in reality (or so the ponies think) gets more credit.
▶ 0985ad (4) No.302728>>302784
>>302719
>Disregard the canonical explanation of Luna's becoming Nightmare Moon from Friendship is Magic 1 because of my retarded theory about dreams and preference for the shitty explanation of comics that sucked
Fuck no and fuck you. Neck yourself, niglet.
▶ 04f782 (2) No.302780>>302783 >>302784
>>302719
Except nobody knows that Luna is "guardian of dreams". Every time she shows up in somebody's head she has to explain, and besides that she can only do one pony a night if she wants her visits to last long enough to actually fix the psychological issues causing the bad dreams. So it's not exactly as though you can reasonably expect that anyone was grateful for it, which brings us back to her getting jealous because ponies appreciate her sister more than her.
▶ 3ddb89 (7) No.302783>>302784 >>302795
>>302780
> and besides that she can only do one pony a night if she wants her visits to last long enough to actually fix the psychological issues causing the bad dreams.
unless perception of time is different in sleep, then she could do multiple ponies a night.
▶ 235a4f (1) No.302784
>>302725
Actually, that explaination works pretty well. She was less jealous that her night was being ignored (because sleeping is still enjoying the night) than she was that she was not getting enough respect for what she did.
>>302728
>can't into comprehension
>>302780
>Except nobody knows that Luna is "guardian of dreams".
That makes sense considering she just recently reappeared.
>>302783
Rimshot
▶ 04f782 (2) No.302795>>302798
>>302783
>unless perception of time is different in sleep, then she could do multiple ponies a night.
It is; 8 hours of sleep can be contained in a 20 minute episode. And Luna is always there for all of it; never disappearing until right before you wake up. She's there all night.
▶ 2ed92e (1) No.302798
>>302795
Dreamwalker Luna is freaky scary but also crazy sexy. No wonder they made a holiday about her.
▶ 4a9900 (1) No.302981>>303040
>>302667
Can't we get something out of the Magic the Gathering drama on Twitter? Drive them to Lucas or something?
▶ 9aaf05 (2) No.303040>>303104
>>302981
Lucas isn't interested in reforming ponies. He pussed out.
▶ 2f6617 (1) No.303104>>303155 >>303210
>>303040
He never said he didn't want to do it. Only that he saw no way to petition Hasbro.
▶ b9a4b2 (1) No.303155
▶ 83587b (1) No.303210>>303415
>>303104
seems to be the case.
also, what do you fags think of this? I think he's making a point here… that everyone else is making lol.
▶ 1f8df1 (4) No.303415>>303416
>>303210
G5 could be in the shit - now that a lot is leaked, the moneyfags can decide to can it because the competition can adapt now that the secrets are out.
He seems to be very interested in the fallout of the leaks. Like he's studying how the moneyfags work there. Why would he do that? Also, it seems like the writers will have a Q&A somewhere? Can any horsefag here confirm? If someone goes there, maybe ask them if Harskamp is right, and if so, if they know of his work. Should be good. I'll go grab the popcorn.
▶ 1f8df1 (4) No.303416>>303418
>>303415
I think I've found the Q&A - it's on Tumblr. Time to swallow the pride and make some flipping accounts on there. Nobody can ask a question yet, that will (I think) open on 3PM EST on Tuesday, or 8 in the evening in the UK. If enough people ask questions about Lucas' work and potential impact on MLP, Meghan can probably comment on it.
https://stardom.tumblr.com/post/169391728083/attention-everypony-join-us-tuesday-at-12pm-pst#notes
▶ b70ddd (1) No.303418>>303419 >>303422
>>303416
>nobody can ask yet
no you stupid faggot, the tumblr link just broke to a 404. It should've redirected to here: https://stardom.tumblr.com/ask
ASK THE QUESTIONS HORSEFAGS!
(if any lack motivation, they should go visit the political autism thread for 5 minutes and then reconsider)
▶ 1f8df1 (4) No.303419
>>303418
>Í'm retarded
well fuck.
Done. Question submitted. Anyone else?
▶ d92f6d (2) No.303422>>303445 >>303538
>>303418
huh. this does provide an opportunity, I doubt many tumblrettes managed to see how that link was broken and get the right one.
This might actually work.
▶ da6674 (1) No.303445
>>303422
Dubs confirm it can work Anon. Halfchan has seen this Tumblr too, so it's important they see questions about Lucas.
▶ c82e73 (1) No.303499>>303518 >>303544
>>302395
You make some really good points there, particularly about how the focus of the show has shifted to bring certain plot "holes" to the fore without properly explaining them.
I remember, back when I was watching S1 for the first time, thinking that the show handled its lore and general fantasy elements very well. It didn't suffer from the internal inconsistencies that plague a lot of other works of fantasy. In fact, I think it's that self-consistency of the setting which gave rise to such an abundance of fanfiction. Now that's all been thrown out the window in pursuit of toy sales.
The problem is that I don't think it's possible to give satisfying answers to most of the questions which now need answers. They've added so much stupid shit to the canon that any reasonable attempt to explain it away would be almost guaranteed to contradict something else.
If it were up to me I'd basically retcon all the major plot developments from Cadence's appearance onwards.
▶ d92f6d (2) No.303518
>>303499
>Now that's all been thrown out the window in pursuit of toy sales.
From Lucas' interview:
>When written well and consistently, and if it has interesting characters, plots and settings, television programming draws children in and makes them think about what they’re seeing, so it does them a service rather than a disservice. If not done well, it backfires because the child cannot be drawn into a narrative. There is more methodology required than people -- and some businesses – realize. Children need context to play with toys. Star Wars is a great example of doing it well: there are recognizable personalities, consistent villains, familiar locations. Children remember all of these elements from the movies and bring those elements into their play habits.
>When a franchise isn’t consistent with their branding -- maybe the colours differ from movie to toys or the villain is released as a toy before children have a chance to see it on the screen – kids quickly lose context and their interest wanes. Franchises need consistency throughout the entire experience they offer.
See pic.
▶ 1f8df1 (4) No.303538
>>303422
if one of the questions contains a reference to his research, we can confirm that memes do not have to be dreams
▶ 135227 (1) No.303544>>309405
>>303499
>The problem is that I don't think it's possible to give satisfying answers to most of the questions which now need answers.
Even worse, there has been absolutely no attempt to do so. Even a bad answer to questions like "what is a princess?" and "how does magic work?" would be better than the conspicuous absense of any answers that we have been treated to. It has been five years since the main character became a princess, and we still have no idea what that means. That is completely ridiculous. It should have been the entire subject of the Season Four premier. We should have gotten a new narrative base to replace the one that had been torn down over the course of the previous year.
>In fact, I think it's that self-consistency of the setting which gave rise to such an abundance of fanfiction.
Totally. It worked according to a logical, if fantastical, framework that could be built upon. Fans found that they could do so themselves, and people love to create when given an outlet.
>If it were up to me I'd basically retcon all the major plot developments from Cadence's appearance onwards.
No matter how contrived the retcon may be, it would be worth it to get a narrative back. I had been hoping that a reboot would provide them with the opportunity to create a new narrative, but I wonder if they even recognize the need for one. I also wonder how much control the creative minds like McCarthy have over its creation relative to that of the suits.
▶ 453dad (1) No.309405>>309983 >>309984 >>309999
>>303544 (checked)
Well they seem to have realized the show is getting stagnated, the reboot is now going to happen. The problem is that is not ((Ourguy)) who's on charge.
After the movie I started to see hope with the Guardians of Harmony toy líne. Holy shit are those things cool.
But nos it seems they tried to apply the savy advice and relied on the worst fucking sjws they could find. Did they think that sperging out political nonsence on twitter all day = being in touch with audience? Theres a reason the political autismo thread exista ffs
▶ 12db11 (1) No.309983>>309999
>>309405
>Well they seem to have realized the show is getting stagnated, the reboot is now going to happen. The problem is that is not ((Ourguy)) who's on charge.
Well TV stagnates too, Toys R Us died and God knows what else. Rumors has it that (((OurGuy))) will sell his invention soon - can anyone confirm?
Probably nothing to do with Hasbro tho.
▶ 032971 (1) No.309984
>>309405
Being in touch with the audience is not a good thing. The show was at it's best when nobody had any idea who we were. What they should be doing is letting the creative team make what they think is the best possible product.
Of course, the quality of a product does not matter to the business that makes it, only the difference between how much it costs to make and how much it can be sold for. Because of that, they have to constantly alter their product to match the expectations of consumers, even if doing so is self-defeating. That's how shit like EqG happens.
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>>309983
>>309405
If I get dubs Harskamp will save our asses
▶ c55fd4 (1) No.310000
>>309999
Lucas stop ghostposting and unveil your latest pitch.
▶ e5959f (1) No.310043
>>309999
If only those digits came true
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▶ cd4a61 (1) No.317999
what makes bronies tick is ponies
▶ 01447f (1) No.318313
>>293435
This, they only gave a fuck once they saw the fandom make shitton of cash in plushies