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This is now a rus*ia demoralization thread.

>>224471

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>>224471

Are you suggesting that the red beast never left Russia to retreat to China as a new base of operations? Not even that Russia is a fraction of its former soviet communism and has the red beast on the run? You think Russia is still the same soviet red beast in sheep's clothing?

I do not like Turks in Eastern Europe. I hope you're not right about Russia, but seriously I don't know which would be worse, the continued 1600 year invasion of Turks and Mongols ever since Atilla, or subverted slavic Rus who are at least white and seem pretty red-pilled on a lot of issue. I think I'd choose Russia over Turkic cultured Cossacks.

>>224535

>I think I would chose my own flesh and blood over foreign bug people?

Uhhh good news for everyone anon.

>>224467

we Hungarians have survived against all odds for more than a thousand years, which is four times what you murricans even had your shitty nation that's about to collapse in a decade or two. the only ethnicity we gotta get rid of is the gypsy, either back to India or you mutts can have them for all I care.

>Is it any surprise that the Turks have taken the side of the Ukrainians?

have you really missed the headbutting Putin and erDOGan have been doing? both are the rulers of the second strongest countries of their respective military alliances (NATO v SCO). would you prefer a full all out war between the leaders, ie USA and China?

How much did you pay in extortion to the 'moderation' to post your OP?

/pnd/ is now a chinese extortion racket

>>224467

Whoa, hungary anon. Don't get defensive. this thread isn't anti-Hungarian, it's anti-hungarian in their current location because of the idea that "All land should be ruled by its native families." Do you deny that Hungarian culture is a descendent of Atilla the hun? connected through the Avar Khagnate, then separated from Bulgaria.

If my memory serves me right, isn't the "Hungarai" and "Bulgari" tribes descendent of one of the tens sons born to the she-wolf in the foundational Turkic Origin myth?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_mythology#Grey_Wolf_legend

Hungary via Bulgaria has their historical fingerprints all over the Ukraine conflict.

Attila the Hun's empire was originally founded exactly where Ukraine is.

https://youtu.be/-6Wu0Q7x5D0?t=716

Bulgaria itself was also originally settled there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Great_Bulgaria

Even Volga Bulgaria is evidence of the true origin of Hungary being in Central Asia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_Bulgaria

>we Hungarians have survived against all odds for more than a thousand years

Yeah. The Ottoman Turks said the same thing in Anatolia. It doesn't change the fact the BEFORE that thousand years, that land was white ethnic European culture homeland for Ten Thousand years.

>the only ethnicity we gotta get rid of is the gypsy, either back to India or you mutts can have them for all I care.

Hungarians are a mixed race culture.

I know Hungarians claim to be white, and a lot of them indeed do look very white, but to that I would say the same thing as I did to the Ukrainians:

TO THE HUNGARIANS I SAY:

1) Are you a Turkic or Hunnic Hungarian? then you don't belong in the Carpathian Basin.

2) Are you an ethnic-white-European Hungarian? then get your head on straight and be loyal to your own race and not a Turk subverted racial creation.

3) Are you an unrecognizable race mixture of the two? then congratulations, race mixers go to the border regions, get off of European central racial homelands.

I get it that Hungarians have an attachment to the history and culture they've developed over the last 1000 years; I'm not trying to disrespect that. But the origins of that culture are hunnic/mongolian/turkic/asiatic. If you truly feel blood related to those original founders, then why not reconnect with the ancient origins of your fathers in central Asia?

Or if you feel completely European ethnically then why not view those founders as a type of adoptive parent that you honor yet still recognize their origin in central asia. Adoptive parents can be honored without renouncing your biological parents who love you and miss you even through the chaos of history that originally took you away…

>have you really missed the headbutting Putin and erDOGan have been doing? both are the rulers of the second strongest countries of their respective military alliances (NATO v SCO). would you prefer a full all out war between the leaders, ie USA and China?

No, I don't want war. I don't hate Hungarians, Turks, or Bulgars, or Cossacks. But the larger idea is that the only way to put an end to The War is to follow a code of ethics that says native races belong in their ancestral homelands. That is the guiding light of NATIONALISM.

Imagine if white Europeans built a state in Japan, married into Japanese families and over time looked very Japanese, or even assimilating so much that the people could be considered pure Japanese with a drop of European, yet they still called their country something like Europe-Land and practiced very european-related traditions, and then after 1000 years could you say this state belongs there in Japan? How is that any different from Hungary or Bulgaria?

TRANSITIONAL STATE SOLUTION

I get it that after 1000 years, it would be difficult to just close it all up suddenly, which is why the transitional state in South eastern Ukraine, in what used to be Old Great Bulgaria, is a perfect first step for those who feel very strongly about their Hungarian heritage, since that heritage is directly connected to Old Great Bulgaria.

I'm not trying to just throw insults, but want to discuss it. If I'm wrong about something tell me; I try to update my ideas with new information, but I also hope you can do the same. The purpose is not to win the debate, but to get closer to the truth and the best solutions.

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>>224769

You can tell some Hungarian women do still have a little bit of Hunnic left in them.

>>224943

Thanks for the effort reply Hungary Anon. It's nice to talk to an actual Hungarian in the field, rather than just relying on books and the internet.

RACE

<be loyal to your own race

>race is an American concept. we don't play by that shit here.

What? You don't believe in the importance of extended family and thus race? An american concept? Is this what the average Hungarian believes? That they have no race or that it's all just mixed into oblivion and not important? blasphemy.

You can't even recognize race at the extremes of African, white, and Asian? You don't believe in those people unifying as greater collectives that care for each other and create culture? I get the feeling you’re an atheist too…

RACIAL HOMELANDS

<"All land should be ruled by its native families."

>and now long are you willing to go back in history? you can't bring back homo neanderthalis

Notwithstanding the false premise of archeology in a dystopic society.

Beyond Neanderthals and foggy evolution theories; at least 30 thousand years ago up until 1500 BC, Racial homelands were established and constant. pic related

Racial Nationalism is the study of racial homelands at that time, until crucial events like the Fall of Troy upset the world order like a first domino to create our modern era.

https://youtu.be/-6Wu0Q7x5D0 : This history map video is a good place to start in studying racial homelands.

My study tells me that Hungary is right smack in the middle, of where slavs have always been, even 30 thousand years ago. Or if you want to bring population increase into it, then it was a gradual process that solidified as the populations grew.

>>224943

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HUNGARY AND TURKIC IDENTITY

<Do you deny that Hungarian culture is a descendent of Atilla the hun?

>actually, I do. we have nothing in common except a few shared names and live in the same area.

You're extremely downplaying it. the connection is far more serious than that.

Doesn't Hungary have lot of statues in their cities of the original founding heroes of Hungarian culture that are recognized blood descendants of Atilla?

Emphasis on “culture” rather that blood, I made that mistake before I know Hungarians believe firmly in their whiteness. But culturally, it’s as if Turkey said it hardly any connection to the Turkic race (which they actually do say).

Just the name of the country as a starting point. Can you at least agree that the name of the country should be changed? Or enlighten me; what exactly is the typical Hungarians views on their connection to Asiatic turks and huns and bulgarians? I thought it might've been an adoptive reverence thing, but you didn't like that.

>our history is unique. so is our language. sure, some claim we're either Turkic or Baltic because the three languages happen to all be agglutinative, but the similarity ends there. they're just too pozzed to come out and admit that Hungarian is a language isolate.

Are you saying Hungary is just an independent stand alone people, not slavic, not turkic, not anything? I guess you said it yourself, you don't play by that racial identity shit there?

But you do value Hungarian racial identity, so according to you, how far back to you go, if not 1500 BC, until racial identity is not important to you? SMH I know you're going to say racial identity and homeland is important only up until exactly how long Hungary has been around, right?

<Turkic Origin myth

>our relationship with Turks is actually a very painful one, since the Ottoman empire has occupied half of our territory for 150 years, only to be then conquered by the Habsburg.

Not just 150 years, but ever since Atilla, that area has been a back and forth chaos between white europeans and asiatic mongoloids. Can we agree on that?

Can you accept that at least in the past of history, racial groups have battled with each other and the Turkic Hunnic groups decided a strategy against establishing a straight up Turkic mongol state because it caused resistance, so they create these half and half states like Bulgaria, Hungary, Ukraine, that allow them to maintain a degree of control against white nationalist elements without throwing it in their face.

Hungary & Bulgaria are a long term power play for turkic invaders to keep their foot in the door of Europe. I'm giving you my interpretation here of history. Where am I wrong?

<"Hungarians are a mixed race culture."

>look up our genetic data. we're no different from the Serbs, Slovaks, Austrians

It's why I said mixed race CULTURE. I get it I get it, Hungarians claim to be white, ok ok ok. But Serbs, slovaks, Austrians at least aren't mixed race cultures. They're white-european traditions and don’t have statues of atilla the hun’s children in their city central squares. Again, if Hungarians are truly white then they should be loyal to their race… but right, you guys don’t play that shit there, I forgot.

Do you like what Atilla did? Where exactly do you stand Hungary anon?

Am I right in assuming you’re an atheistic, screw the world, every man for himself, type?

THE END OF THE WAR

<that land was white ethnic European culture homeland for Ten Thousand years.

>and then Rome got infected by feminism and fell. the same thing that's happening to the USA right now.

What point are you even making? Rome, USA, Soviet russia; all examples of successful wartime subversion. Any people are vulnerable to it. We fight against it. The only thing that makes any sense of the whole mess after you clean it up is racial homelands. It’s the only guiding principal, like a natural law, and without it the world would be in chaos, and it is.

>ending wars is against human nature. it's against nature period

What? Have you not a young idealist bone left in your body? Humanity is capable of great achievements and peace is definitely a possibility. How can I argue with you, if this is your bleak outlook on life; you don't want to try to solve any problems because you don't believe they can be solved. Blasphemy.

>>224922

>lol these foids are caked up to the max, full of implants, makeup and photoshop. Barbara Palvin in particular wants to look like she's from every European country at the same time.

Care to share then some pictures that accurately represent the typical Hungarian people?

>>225474

>Woah. WOAH. I have never seen such quality content on /pnd/. Finally.

Thank you for noticing anon. Many an effort post of mine goes unnoticed here. The curse of knowledge.

RACE-MIXER POLICY VS FREEDOM

>the race mixer area is a great concept, but I believe mixed people should be confined to big cities, and forced to assimilate into their racial components

No. We believe in freedom, albeit organized freedom. To force race mixers into ghettos, or force them to breed one way or the other, it plays right into the false enemy narrative of white nationalists "hating" race mixers and making cruel laws against them. It also opens the slippery slope door for enemy infiltrators to use those laws excessively to destroy the reputation of segregation, like what they did in South Africa.

No, our society is great precisely because real freedom has always been our theme. Especially in the Holy Roman Empire known as popularly known as our "German Freedoms" is where "muh freedom" culture originates. It's degenerate to make it illegal to race-mix. Freedom comes with a degree of risk, but there are better ways to protect ourselves from things hyper race mixing than brute force. Segregated schools is enough to insure continued purity of race, because children most often choose breeding partners in school. That's why de-segregating schools is such a big issue for the anti-white agenda. Race-mixing need not be outlawed. Why enforce with draconian laws what you could more efficiently control with propaganda. With good education & propaganda, race-mixing will never become big enough to be a problem. Just look how much simple propaganda has been at increasing the transgender population. Taking the bait of setting race-mixing laws is a trap set by anti-white enemies, as happened with South Africa.

To make an open enemy of the whole of race-mixers, is an uphill inefficient battle. Far better to make peace with them and give them mixed race land on the borders of white homelands, to also act as a buffer states between other racial homelands. It gives race-mixers a place to go rather than feeling backed into a corner and thus adding to the ranks of our enemy.

It also makes sense race mixing between the different white races. Germans rule Germany and French rule France, but if a German and a French mix, then they go to the border region between. Sometimes race mixers of the same kind rise to such a population that they form powerful important hybrid entities in themselves: like the Slav/Russians, or the French/German/Italian/Celtic in central Europe that are of particular importance to European affairs.

During the time of Attila's invasion of Europe, it forced white peoples to come together, especially Germans and Romans. Race mixing happens. You need a sensible plan for it that doesn't involve making enemies out of giant groups of people.

RACIAL RE-PURIFICATION

>>225474

>force race mixers to assimilate into their racial components if they wish to live outside, so if they are half or more white, they become white, and if they are half or more nonwhite, they become that nonwhite race.

Yes, IF THEY WISH TO LIVE OUTSIDE. If not, then let them live in peace however they want in their race mixed region.

Certainly there will be visitors and freedom for people to host guests, with the guiding light of policies like segregated schooling to insure the pure populations don't die out.

What you really mean is IF THEY WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GOVERNMENT of racially pure lands, then yes they must be re-purified first.

Some definitions are necessary for productive discussion of racial re-purification in a corrupted language:

RACE: Your true identity coming from your same sex parent, can never be mixed. A German father and Negro mother give birth to German sons and Negro daughters.

ETHNICITY: Is the "look" someone has. Some ethnicities are more potent (black) than others (white).

"Race-mixing" is more accurately ethnicity-mixing. So-called races like Russian, German, French, are more accurately a sub-ethnicity of the white ethnicity. Race comes into play in long lines from father to son or mother to daughter; known as Patrilineal or Matrilineal groups. In biology, it's known as the y-chromosome for men and mitochondrial DNA for women.

Through history, Patrilineal and Matrilineal races have existed, and as they mixed and lost track of their "race", they developed into ethnicities, which in english is often translated as a "race".

If you're the son of a German father and Negro mother, then your race is German and your route to re-purification will be with German women for successive generations until your German ethnicity returns. Mixed-race regions are also desirable because it encourages mixed-ethnicity racial Germans to breed with each other as a first step. There could even be a system of rewarding race mixers for a heroic action with access to white women to help re-purify their race if they so desire to re-purify.

Once your ethnicity has returned to the point you're not recognizable as mixed, then you're considered purified and able to participate in your pure racial government.

Patrilineal/Matrilineal descent awareness has been a theme of humanity, and even old Germany had laws stating citizenship extends from father to son.

>>225623

>Race re-purification is not allowed.

This is idiotic thinking. Patrilineal and matrilineal ancestry is sacred. You don't disown your patrilineal descent children because they’re race-mixed. Race-mixers run the border regions, but if they breed back into their race then this is reasonable.

TURK NATIVE LANDS

>>225474

>Turks are not native to the areas such as Uzbekistan

>>225475

>Also, Kyrgyzstan is a white land that is currently run by Mongoloids.

see pic related: Eurasia Racial Homelands Draft

My study on Turkish roots is not heavy, but not light. You have to convince me. Who do you think is Native to East Caspian? Turks have a lot of ancient history there and the turkic language map (pic related) is concentrated in that area. To my knowledge, they're Western Mongols.

But you seem certain, so tell me what you know. Something about people desert people near the Aral sea?

HISTORY MAP: https://youtu.be/-6Wu0Q7x5D0?t=672

pic related 243 world map: Gray areas of that map represent uncertainty. My impression is the likely dividing line between the white and asian races starts at East Caspian coast, then north at the Sayan Mountains which is a more significant natural boundary than the Ural mountains (pic related asia physical map), and stopping at the arctic circle because whites evolved in the primordial snow.

THE HUNGARY QUESTION

>>225475

>Also, Magyars came from a region with a similar climate to Hungary.

Where? Central Asia? Then that's where they belong.

>So Hungarians are pretty much fine staying where they are. They're relatively white.

as we see with Hungary Anon here: >>224943 : we can't get a coherent response from them. Like a woman's logic, they're attached emotionally to the land and can't hear reason or respond to it.

If they're white and not hunnic like they claim, then they can stay, but I'm not dealing with a state named Hungary. Would Japan tolerate a state named "New Europe" in their territory?

pic related hungary Attila statue: There is a huge statue of Arpad, in the main square in Budapest, a descendent of Attila and considered the father of their country. What's really going on here?

Something is off. I’m not dealing with a country that has a statues of a descendent of Attila and calls him the father of their country AND their country is named after a Turkic Tribe. What of the slavs that were native to that region before Attila arrived? There must be a reckoning. There must be something I'm missing her which Hungary Anon can't put into words…

>>224922

Same thing with Ukrainian women. See red circles in pic related. You just get a greater sense of turkic/mongolian when looking.

>>227161

compare that to German women and the difference becomes even more obvious that there definitely a bit of turk in the hungarians

>>226888

Amazing. Absolutely great. The racial separation of arabs, Mesopotamians, whites, and Indians is perfect. I've always thought along those lines.

Anyway, I think that a subgroup of steppe aryans are native to the east caspian. The turks who were native would not have had mongoloid eyes before the mongolian invasions. I say this because there is no evidence of ancient mongoloid presence in the surrounding regions, such as North West India, or Iran. They have some influence from Mongolian invasions, but none from times before that. There is no evidence that mongoloid people lived in the region during the aryan expansion. If they had been living there during those times, then we would not see isolated clusters of highly mongoloid communities, as we do in the republic of Kalmykia, which is in Russia.

These people are quite obviously invaders, as every community surrounding them is far more white. I include this fact because, in places such as Punjab or Iran, where the Aryan expansion may have influenced, there are not isolated communities of people that look radically different from one another. In Pujab, for example, there are no communities comprised entirely of people who are genetically South Indian, neighboring cities comprised of people who are genetically Punjabi, or semi-Aryan. So it seems odd that there would have been mongoloid people before the aryan expansion. Over the last 4,000 years, they would have become somewhat homogenous, similar to Indians, and if they had not, we would see evidence of something like a caste system. But we do not see that.

See second post for continued…

>>227508

>Rachel Maddow screeching

Here is William Luther Pierce in The Turner Diaries also supporting nigger nationalist struggles against the ZOG. Basically everyone on the entire planet that hates that homosexual porno called "America" wishes niggers in the ZOG would do something. Including White Nationalists.

>>232718

>effort bump

Thank you sir

And it's a good thing you re-bumped this thread; because it needs an update.

NATIONAL SOCIALIST SUPPORTERS IN UKRAINE?

https://www.rt.com/russia/522594-mfa-ukraine-indulge-neo-nazis/

I might have to reverse course on supporting the Russians in this Ukraine conflict in my OP.

While Ukraine may indeed be a mixed race Turkic conglomerate, that isn’t to say there couldn’t exist white slavic Ukrainians who want to defend against a vigorously anti-National-Socialist Russian government.

Anti-National-Socialist sentiment can often be ignored due to it being insincere based on the need to avoid being accused of being a Nazi in a world trained to hate Nazis; but it is possible that Russia’s anti-National-Socialist propaganda is very sincere.

Perhaps it is these National Socialist leaning non-turkic Ukrainians who we can look to reclaim their own government away from the mixed race turkic subversion. This complicates the issue, and I'll need time to look into it in order to pin down exactly what solution I support. Hail Hitler.

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On a side note Hungary Anon sure disappeared fast after I brought the facts down upon him about his Attilla the Hun themed affiliated state. I'm not trying to make enemies of all subverted white Hungarians, but at some point they need to do the same as the Ukrainians and shrug off the Turk subverted state that has been pulled over them.

Page deleting mod right now.