/pnd/ - Politics, News, Debate

>>205070

>i love forced integration with niggers and slavery to Kikes

>stupid picture

ZOG-faggots post pictures like this, because they think their audience is so retarded, that this will actually work on them. Replace "communism" with "Christianity" in that picture, and that is the sentiment of 99% of Christfags, who literally believe they are the adopted children of the Sky Kike.

Everywhere in the world commies took power was because the nationalists just picked up as a weapon. The gooks in the South were the ones who invited in a foreign army composes of hordes of niggers and spicks to fuck their women and kill their young men, all in the name of Christfaggotry.

>>205025

Jesus still loves you, OP. It's not too late to rejoin the fold.

>>205075

Jews: haha we replaced all your native folk tales with jewish folk tales lmao

Retards: SO WHAT?!? JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS YOU FAGGOT, THOR IS IN A COMIC BOOK !!!!

>>205217

pic related, they hate paganism more.

>>205218

Exactly, globalist bullshit. Greeks are completely superior compared to sandnigger kikes.

>>205253

I never said I dislike Renaissance art. But we know that it has nothing to do with christianity, otherwise niggers would have made good art.

Pic related is how Rome looked like. I'm Greek so I don't care about nordic paganism.

>>205259

>>205259

>The distinction between natura naturata and natura naturans comes from Spinoza’s Ethics. If for Spinoza, God and nature are interchangeable, and nature has two aspects, natura naturata (All) and natura naturans (One), then for Spinoza God is All and One. Thus it is easy to see how Hen kai Pan became the watchword of both Spinozism and Hermeticism in the 18th-century, which is the subject of Assmann’s next chapter.

>Cudworth wishes to show that the idea of one supreme God is entirely natural, not the product of idiosyncratic fancy or pious fraud.

>Cudworth distinguishes between “unmade and self-existent gods” — Spinoza called the unmade and self-existent “substance” and identified it with with God/nature — and “native and mortal gods” — i.e., gods which are relative to particular societies and which have the status of higher-ordered created and finite beings. Cudworth claims that no ancient people ever claimed that there is a plurality of “unmade and self-existent” gods. Instead, they believed that there is only one unmade and self-existent god, who creates all beings — including “native and mortal gods"….Cudworth sums up his thesis by claiming that “the generality of Greekish Pagans acknowledged One Universal and All-comprehending Deity, One that was All.”

>The idea that God is “One and All” (Greek Hen kai Pan) is not the same as the Biblical view, which claims that God is one but not identifiable with the all. The cosmos is created by God and sustained by God but also separate from God. The pagan teaching is that in our deepest nature we are one with God. The Biblical teaching is that in our deepest nature we are nullities, sustained in existence only by the will of a separate God.

https://counter-currents.com/2014/07/notes-on-moses-the-egyptian-part-3/

>>205304

All your spirituality, god, jesus can be subverted too.

>>205075

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>>205028

>If you talk about Christianity then you are a Kike

Lel.

Judaic Intolerance at it's finest.

Yes faggots, we know Kikes hate Christianity and that Europeans have made the Judaic Culture that invaded the Roman Empire /theirs/

>see Hillair belloc jpg

But this sperging out is just pathetic.

>>205379

Learn to Greentext you nigger.

>>objectively false statements that anyone who has read the Talmud or New Testament would be able to refute

>Appeal to Authority

Wew.

>>205195

fuck off, Kike-lover

>>205248

fuck off, Kike-lover

>>205635

>Christianity reinforces the sciences, stupid.

Hmm yes, that's one of the positive things of christianity. It's helped create a belief in eternal natural laws.

>>205637

>And that was proved by Aristotle (pagan) in 350BC, using natural science, logic.

Incorrect, only kike prophets started saying that "the world" is something evil, then you end up with life-denying verses such as:

>Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them.

1 John 2:15

>The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.

1 John 2:17

>You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

James 4:4

>>205642

Exactly, universalist gay religion.

>>205252

>Christianity = globohomo 1.0

It started long before that

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>>205677

forgot pictures

>>205309

SJWs are using the exact same techniques.

original sin - white privilege/supremacy

BLM is Christianity the anti-European cult making a comeback under different guise.

Black Lives Matter activists destroying American sculptures and art are like Christians who destroyed Roman art.

Marble head of the goddess Aphrodite that was discovered in the Athenian Agora was deliberately vandalized by Christians.

They chiseled a cross into the goddess forehead, now compare that to BLM activists painting graffitis on American statues. The "original sin" was replaced with "white privilege".

>>205686

>>continues to spam the exact same thing that only paid jewish shills have ever said, even after being called out on it

Give me one instance where jewish shills did that

>>205686

>Oh man, Christiany is not cucked, it's just most Christians are, and since Christianity can be viewed in many ways, it can also be corrected

>You can’t reason with a paid shill. Just sage.

Christianity is inherently cucked. Nietzsche and Evola were correct. Turn the other cheek, do not resist evil, pray for your enemies, war is evil, everyone is the same under God etc. William Pierce said the same things…

Christianity literally makes me want to die, I wish i was never born. Either that or i wish Christianity didn’t exist. I feel like it’s a form of control and oppression more than anything. Yes on large scales but also on many personal levels too. Even if you try to re-interpret it to make it better, there’s still so many things that don’t make sense.

I just need to vent. I hope none of you guys find this offensive because obviously a lot of you guys love being Christian and find so much beauty in Christianity. I’m sorry if this offended you. I just woke up this morning feeling very hopeless and lost, so I needed to vent.

purple

>>205025

There's only one God, who needs no consorts for humanity is His consort, who needs no sons for humanity are his Sons, Unborn from Him all universes are spun, and white man keeps defying Him. When jews discovered that God in ancient times and realized dangers of worshiping other "gods" they annihilated all idolatry with violence, and measured a sacrifice of foreskin acceptable as a tribute. When sages of India in 1st-millennium BC discovered brahman through hidden verses in the Vedas (like in Hymn to All Maker: "You will not find him who [all] these begat: Some other thing has stepped between you. Blinded by fog and [ritual] mutterings wander the hymn-reciters, robbers of life!") they diverged between either worshiping Him as a single God or identifying themselves with that God. When jews noticed that could happen they thwarted efforts of self identification with god by introducing tale of a dangerous snake in the garden of Eden, that proclaims first humans would be like gods if they ate from forbidden tree. Meanwhile Vyasa left in Mahabharata's Kali Yuga prophecy that there'd be people proclaiming themselves gods for religious business (those petty people are literally forewarned about whole guru bullshit). Greeks and Romans were attempting to find that single god but to no avail, Heraclitus, Aristotle and Plotinus attempted to delve in first cause, but in community of people who feared planetary objects and stars as gods (who of all people were criticized only by Epicurus). For that their culture was annihilated.

When Muhammad discovered that worshiping Jesus was wrong, after that guy got deified as the only gate door to God, probably getting in touch with community of some judaizers, he awkwardly retold the tales of the jews in attempt to restore monotheism, but didn't went far enough to completely deny sanctity of Jesus. Because of that his religion limps on one foot.

There's only one Source of all sources, and Dispenser of all faith. Ritual tradition doesn't matter, purity of belief from other causes does. Fundamentally salvation is found in trust to Supreme God, no God truer or higher, who's benevolence can only be found through love and communion inside your soul. A relationship of Infinite Intellect (God), Finite Intellect (Soul) and Reason Principle (perception of God by your soul), hence wisdom (jnana) and love (bhakti) go side by side in cultivating disposition in ones own service to God.

Even angels and "gods" of hindu religion (according to Gita) are just parts of Him, for Abraham bowed to three angels he seen as the Lord Himself (Genesis‎ 18:‎2-3). So there's really between visible and invisible, beyond being and non-being, only creatures of limited intellect and God stand. Perceivable supernatural (albeit nothing is "supernatural" to God) phenomena that God sends is just ways to communicate. If there was any hierarchy of false "gods" we would see them all equally across entire world the same, there's none, only all pervading God and our perception, point of view we take on Him.

Jesus is some guy during jewish uprising claiming himself being god incarnate, copying prophets claiming being a real messiah and jews rightfully criticized that. I posted this in other thread, i'l post it again, Josephus XX, Chapter 8:

>These works, that were done by the robbers, filled the city with all sorts of impiety (Acts‎ 21:‎38). And now these impostors and deceivers (messianic leaders) persuaded the multitude to follow them into the wilderness (Revelation‎ 12:‎6), and pretended that they would exhibit manifest wonders and signs, that should be performed by the providence of God. And many that were prevailed on by them suffered the punishments of their folly; for Felix brought them back, and then punished them. Moreover, there came out of Egypt (Hosea‎ 11:‎1) about this time to Jerusalem one that said he was a prophet (John‎ 4:‎44), and advised the multitude of the common people to go along with him to the Mount of Olives (Luke‎ 19:‎37), as it was called, which lay over against the city, and at the distance of five furlongs. He said further, that he would show them from hence how, at his command, the walls of Jerusalem would fall down (Copying Ezekiel‎ 8:‎8); and he promised them that he would procure them an entrance into the city through those walls, when they were fallen down (calling himself Son of Man and also saying Son of Man will come and ruin the city, which is according to prophets, hence confusion of Josephus).

>>207002

Aryans had concept of All Maker in all pervading Brahman since 1800 BC, when Rig Veda was written. It even criticizes hymn-reciters and polytheism to certain extend as much as it could leave a message. And equates all gods in hymns like "Agni is Light, Indra is Light, Surya is Light". All indian upanishadic thought is based on discerning secrets of the vedas, but then just like pharisees they didn't let lower castes read them. Buddha exploited that and claimed himself being all things like Brahman, and went out as idolized prince, even though he wasn't author of idea, he didn't really needed to meditate upon a bodhi tree to know what's in upanishads. Jewish thought however is most likely inspired by attempt of Akhenaten to make solar monotheist religion.

Overall anyone who worships One God is right according to their consciousness, if its genuine worship. Hence you can sympathize with Islam and Judaism a bit. But i choose Vaishnavism as my core for all discerning process, because its older than both Christianity and Islam, and i respect idea of Gandhi constantly returning to Bhagavad-Gita, as in Source really being Vishnu (Krishna), as establisher of all faith, even if rite is different from the Vedic norm:

Bhagavad-Gita VII:21-22

>Whatever form, [whatever god,] a devotee with faith desires to honour, that very faith do I confirm in him, making it unswerving and secure.

>Firm stablished (yukta) in that faith, he seeks to reverence that [god], and thence he gains all he desires, though it is I who am the true dispenser.

Bhagavad-Gita IX:22-24

>For those men who meditate upon Me, no other [thought in mind], who do me honour, ever persevere, I bring attainment and possession of what has been attained.

>[Yet] even those who worship other gods with love (bhakta) and sacrifice to them, full filled with faith, do really worship Me, though the rite differ from the norm.

>For it is I who of all acts of sacrifice am Recipient and Lord, but they do not know Me as I really am, and so they fall [back into the world of men].

Bhagavad-Gita XII:8

>On Me alone let thy mind dwell, stir up thy soul (buddhi) to enter Me; thenceforth in very truth in Me thou’It find thy home.

Even Quran on some main idea that true monotheism could be united:

Q S.11:118

>If thy Lord had so willed, he could have made mankind one People: but they will not cease to differ,

Q S.16:93

>If Allah so willed, He could make you all one People: But He leaves straying whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases: but ye shall certainly be called to account for all your actions.

Q S.23:53-54

>But people have cut off Their affair (of unity), between them, into sects: Each party rejoices in that which is with itself. But leave them in their confused ignorance for a time.

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pic related

>>207242

>Jewish artisans and jewish fishermen are you teachers and your saints, with countless statues carved in their image and innumerable cathedrals raised to their memories. A jewish maiden is your ideal of motherhood and womanhood. A Jewish rebel-prophet is the central figure in your religious worship.

>no conquest in history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our conquest over you

No, there was one before it, almost exact copy of such religious conquest, done by godless buddhists, who by their power sometimes get equated to level of gods, over asian region. In a way east was raped by idols of indian preachers as much as west was raped by idols of jewish preachers. Contemplate on this. I find it fascinating mystical phenomena worthy of investigating, that jews are teachers of "righteousness" for the west, indians of the east.

>>207253

>a self describe satanist

sauce

>the values between the communist manifesto and the King James bible are polar opposite

Completely untrue. Jewsus was a conservative socialist revolutionary.

>>207255

in case your'e too retarded to click links

>>207253

Karl Marx was protestant until becoming atheist.

>"The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness." - Karl Marx

Much of similarity between Christianity and Communism comes from Essenes and their values, how they taught to serve one another and not the rulers, and how four thousand of them suddenly became vengeful Sicarii carrying sickles of all things for forceful circumcision of infidels who hated money and roman coinage because they refused to carry any craven image.

There were four thousand people who Jesus fed with "copied" fish and bread:

Matthew‎ 15:‎38

>And they that did eat were four thousand men, beside women and children.

There were four thousand Essenes according to Josephus, with some of their traits provided:

>This is demonstrated by that institution of theirs, which will not suffer any thing to hinder them from having all things in common; so that a rich man enjoys no more of his own wealth than he who hath nothing at all. There are about four thousand men that live in this way, and neither marry wives, nor are desirous to keep servants; as thinking the latter tempts men to be unjust, and the former gives the handle to domestic quarrels; but as they live by themselves, they minister one to another. They also appoint certain stewards to receive the incomes of their revenues, and of the fruits of the ground; such as are good men and priests, who are to get their corn and their food ready for them.

Robert Eisenman (file included) provided information that those people eventually became zealots.

Acts state four thousands were led into the wilderness by "Egyptian": Acts‎ 21:‎38

>Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?

After Egyptian had escaped the hands of romans according to Josephus:

>But the Egyptian himself escaped out of the fight, but did not appear any more. And again the robbers stirred up the people to make war with the Romans, and said they ought not to obey them at all; and when any persons would not comply with them, they set fire to their villages, and plundered them.

Suddenly Sicarii appear as new movement, those so called Four Thousand Men with yet another impostor, or one and the same:

>Upon Festus’s coming into Judea, it happened that Judea was afflicted by the robbers, while all the villages were set on fire, and plundered by them. And then it was that the sicarii, as they were called, who were robbers, grew numerous. They made use of small swords, not much different in length from the Persian acinacae, but somewhat crooked, and like the Roman sicae, [or sickles,] as they were called; and from these weapons these robbers got their denomination; and with these weapons they slew a great many; for they mingled themselves among the multitude at their festivals, when they were come up in crowds from all parts to the city to worship God, as we said before, and easily slew those that they had a mind to slay. They also came frequently upon the villages belonging to their enemies, with their weapons, and plundered them, and set them on fire. So Festus sent forces, both horsemen and footmen, to fall upon those that had been seduced by a certain impostor, who promised them deliverance and freedom from the miseries they were under, if they would but follow him as far as the wilderness. Accordingly, those forces that were sent destroyed both him that had deluded them, and those that were his followers also.

So there you have it. Peaceful Antifa (Anti-Roman jews), becoming vengeful murderers just like Antifa in our times. And this is how christians indeed behaved in Rome, like a temple destroying mob, probably mingled with those jews hiding among them and preaching gospel only to attack roman religious institutes. Sicarii most certainly grew out of Essenes.

Read the included file too, it has more information on that.

>>207259

>Karl Marx was protestan

filtered

>>207261

Do you need recitation of whole Acts Chapters 4 and 5 starting from Acts 4:35 for Jewish proto-kibbutz commune laying all their money at apostles feet and ending with Jewish proto-cheka with death of a kulaks upholding the full value of their house at Acts 5:10?

Also:

>Marx was ethnically but not religiously Jewish

Isn't all Apostles were too, ye hypocrite?

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>>207403

>None of these men are Christian

Of course, they understood it and heavily criticized it. Don't see how this undermines their argument

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>but concerning the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.

This is retarded on its own

>dismissal of national identity

Same things that christians did to Greece. The word Greek became a swear word, they shut down institutes, universities etc, even ended the Olympian Games. They destroyed sculpture and art, they despised the greco-roman sports and they destroyed all hints of tradition.

>Galatia's 3:28

Essentially this verse is why christians now have to love christian niggers and spics. Religion is more important than blood.

Would you rather give your daughter to a christian black guy or pagan white guy?

>Acts 4:31-37

Morally guilt tripping people into charity lol. Now if you're a good christian you HAVE to give away all your belongings. This is why it's PROTO-communism, this hate for rich people is inherently jewish, check out the book "On the Genealogy of Morality".

>temporary guest

Give the paki a home for the next years

>voluntary community

>proto-kibbutz commune

>close to Utopian socialism

Never said it was communism. But it's as clear as day that Jesus was a jewish conservative socialist revolutionary. The first Christian communities followed religious socialism.

>>207625

>and lastly "if you dont follow our ideals you will go to magical sad place where you will be tornented for eternity"

By the way, this is the worst way to make religion, when you introduce concept of hell with retention of memory under fear. Worst thing that can happen to you is if your soul gets erased and its substance, but hell doesn't imply erasure, in fact most christian fantasies of hell is someone's kink nowadays. Even people believing in reincarnation delude themselves parts of soul get retained, but true death is for consciousness to disappear in the flood waters, to be parts of someone else like a taken away talent, and that one is painless, but deadly. For Heraclitus rightfully said "The psyche lusts to be wet [and to die].", when psyche contacts murky waters of hades, it disintegrates into parts from which souls are made: "Water brings death to the psyche, as earth brings death to water. Yet water is born of earth, and the psyche from water." Its suicidal and pays for everything in this life by its own expense, hence retention and preservation of soul requires sacrifice to God: "It is hard to withstand the heart’s desire, and it gets what it wants at the psyche’s expense."

For Soul is akin to smoke/gas particles:

"The stuff of the psyche is a smoke-like substance of finest particles that gives rise to all other things; its particles are of less mass than any other substance and it is constantly in motion: only movement can know movement."

A soul of suicidal person dies twice, for he kills himself twice. Once because he hates his life here, second time when he can't control himself anymore and jumps into the underworld's river. That river is part of God. Then his experience will be only partly rehashed by some other soul, but not completely, generating false memories that appear as dreams, hence confusion of buddhists about "previous life memories", they are just psyche parts of those who died. You consciousness is made of parts of the dead both physically in ancestral blood from your earthly father and spiritually from God who got your mother's womb inseminated with your soul the other side.

I remember times when Greeks didn't gave a hoot about Tartarus as much as the waters i mentioned. Anakreon, 6th century BC poet:

>And now my hair is thin and white,

>Grizzled the lock above my ears.

>Youth’s gone, and with it, all delight.

>My teeth are going with the years.

>What time remains is short and sweet.

>Therefore I often cry and dread

>Dark Tartaros where I shall meet

>In dreary rooms the weeping dead.

>For Hades’ house is dark, and black

>The downward road, the hateful way,

>Unwilling and with no way back,

>Downward ever, and there to stay.

>Bring water and bring wine

>And garlands of honeysuckle

>And yourself alone, my bonny boy.

>I must wrestle Eros down.

>They wore plaited garlands

Highway to hell is not terrible, for its embodiment of God's justice anyway. What's terrible is not to be.

>>207640

If you're willing to hear i might add why jewish god doesn't work for us. Jewish scriptures is a collection of war scrolls against all other nations.

I've been researching much on jewish theology and their ancient writings with cross comparison of them with other religious traditions. Messianic scriptures, both new and old, both from modern jews and from messianic essenes confirm one and the same - a Messiah is going for war, to kill and murder gentiles. It has no message of all pervading God, only of God of Israel, i.e. tribal consciousness consisting of dead jews. And they did expected certain "Wicked Priest", Idol Shepherd, to make himself object of worship, both in Qumran interpretation of Psalms, Zechariah‎ 5:‎1-4 and Zechariah‎ 11:‎15-17, thief of God's glory, that comes right after priest of righteousness (John the Baptist). Their God is limited to being "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob", hence they inherit ancestral land unlocked by Moses. Its an imitation of "All Pervading", trying to "bind" him up to earthly nation. Exodus‎ 3:‎16

>Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:

It is not said that God dwells anywhere, only among the children of Israel: Exodus‎ 29:‎45:

>And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.

Why God of Israel only dwells among Children of Israel? Because of their tribal attitude towards God, he's only limited to their own sanctuary, Exodus‎ 25:‎8

>And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.

And when Solomon was building a temple, he stressed out on dwelling of God in a temple 2 Chronicles‎ 6:‎1-2

>Then said Solomon, The Lord hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness. But I have built an house of habitation for thee, and a place for thy dwelling for ever.

Surely 1 Kings‎ 8:‎27 and 2 Chronicles‎ 6:‎18 try to disregard that, but their own limitation cancel it out, hence "God of Israel", not whole earth, not whole cosmos, not whole universe or universes above.

It is said by Rabbis that when Gentiles read Torah, they DIE. For they cannot comprehend voice of God that represents anger and grudges of Israel. Every time Gentiles read psalter, they read jewish curses on themselves.

What Prophet-Messiah who was supposed to preach on Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:‎4) according to Zechariah had to do? Fight Gentiles: Zechariah‎ 14:‎3

>Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

And what will happen when Jerusalem is restored and safely inhabited (14:11)? Lord will smite all Gentile nations that fought against Jerusalem: Zechariah‎ 14:‎12

>And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Isaiah‎ 49:‎22-23

>Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

And after that according to Isaiah we're supposed to see how righteous and pure jews are:Isaiah‎ 62:‎2

>And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

Lick the dust of the jewish feet, face down to earth, o' uncircumcised pitiful gentile who isn't born a jew, else Lord will consume your flesh and your eyes and your tongue in your mouth with a plague and send you to Gehenna when Messiah comes to conquer you all.

That's the message. Take it or leave it. I am disappointed with people taking this dualism and pure national supremacy for something holy. Upanishads and greek philosophy are in so many ways more pure compared to this.

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>>207987

One can repeat himself infinitely, but i think for smart men christianity is such a subject, that represents a chain upon neck of enslaved people. And only if that chain was from infinite, so you would be free as nothing would be between you and God, yet you bind yourself to myth of mediator. You hate jews yet you worship jews, and expect jews to forgive you in afterlife after combating the jews all your life while praying to jews. I wish i could forget jews even exist, its inequity to care about differences between all those ants claiming truth in a bottle, not looking outside of it. If its not given for a man to understand nature of absolute it will never reach him. Initial Pauline teaching was against Christianity that was growing at the time, in mutual conflict, or don't you know that all Gospels were written after all Apostles had died? Or that Hebrews 7:3 goes against Nicean creed of faith because it was always transcendental attempt at teaching oral gospel, not history? Its based on various murderers and false prophets who promised people miracles in israel, one of who (the Egyptian) i mentioned earlier: >>206949

A pagan Egyptian priest came into israel after reading septuagint that got translated in very Egypt, and tried to preach stiff necked jews pagan line of thought. Because he thought "Christos Kurious" means "anointed lord" as Pharaohs get anointed in his land, and not "Lord's Anointed", which is true translation and meant chosen people, so he larped as Son of God to get himself to be a pharaoh of the jews. Who read Book of the Dead and Book of the Gates knows they buried those miracle workers as gods all the time in vein of Osiris and his retinue of 12 followers of Ma'at, Roman emperors too. Jews suffered, we suffered, nothing good came out of it. For do you really expect no one picked up a sword and spilled blood at the temple when this man went in and started whipping jewish merchants, in society that stoned for less? Early christians were a violent mob, and spirit it propelled in people was spirit of violence. What's good about christianity was stolen from other "pagans" and thinkers all over the world.

History of the period requires grave attention to details of the messianic period and its lies:

>>>/pdfs/13916

Where its not stolen from egyptian Osiris cult and Dionysian mystery cult, its stolen from greek philosophy:

>>>/pdfs/13257

Where its not stolen from those its stolen from Hindu scriptures, because those managed to get exported by Alexander after his conquests, since Ptolemaic court in Egypt (that translated bible into greek too during Ptolemy II times) developed after his death by Ptolemy I "the savior", and we know at least of export of Buddhist thought into greece by Pyrrho of Elis, there probably were more in Egyptian libraries accessible from international intellectual trade if even jews translated their stuff there:

>>>/pdfs/13905

I must warn you, if you really hate jews while worshiping their preachers, you're going to create hell for your afterlife. There's either indifference to all beings, or you'll be crucified by the very jews in your own Golgotha, if you won't forgive them too, and be a good goy.

Truth didn't came into this world only 2000 years ago, it was always around, its just you're blinded by fog of a myth. And many in this world were trying to do it smart way, trying to warn you about the truth, yet irony is that none of smart men were listened to. Instead of truth christianity is murdered by social consumerism, egoism and porn. And children betray their fathers because they want more freedom in self expression by becoming degenerates. Now it propels atheism like a slingshot. Good luck with that, real God can't be ever limited.

Religious r3t4rd here.

Is there still a hardline Christian branche that believes Jews are satan's minions?

>>208081

You're forgetting the underlying unity of gentiles with hebrews, at core message it equates all races and all genders: Galatians‎ 3:‎28

>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And Paul you quote himself boasts that there was indeed a "profit" to be born a jew regardless: Romans‎ 3:‎1-2

>What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

For where he can utilize the jewish law in its usage, he does it, where he denies law as "bondage", he does that: 1st Corinthians‎ 9:‎20

>And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

Almost as if that first line meant that he's one of the establishers of this religion to join both hellenes and jews into the same faith. "I became as a Jew" is shady. For Roman chief captain mistaken him for egyptian in Acts‎ 21:‎38 and he quickly retaliates to tell him that he's totally a jew. And i am sure Roman Legionaries can't mistake a egyptian for a jew.

You'll eventually be seeing heretics everywhere. Albeit yourself being most cruel one of them all: 2 John‎ 1:‎10-11

>If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Romans 1:32

>Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Those are some favorite quotes of all stake burners. And it clearly goes against welcoming and loving attitude to strangers and sinners Jesus had in the gospels. Since that person tolerated all pharisees and jewish teachers, however transgressors they were.

Jesus prayed to God as to "father" (Matthew‎ 6:‎9), he claimed unity with Him, but never claimed uniqueness of that unity. Yet people ended up seeing him as the only son, and wrote additions to scriptures in accordance to that, essentially multiplying the God, and failing at discerning underlying mentality of monotheism at core of first rendition of this religion. "John" states it more clearly: 1 John‎ 3:‎1-2

>Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

John‎ 1:‎12

>But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Do you really think John‎ 10:‎30 "I and my Father are one." meant that Jesus alone was God himself, and not realized unity?

Because John 10:34-35 explains from where Jesus at all got this idea supported by scriptures:

>Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?‎ If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

If believers meant to be understood as sons of God from perfecting themselves from Father, hence Jesus advised to pray to the Father, then God is One. If Jesus suddenly becomes only vessel it becomes two. If one dares to separate Holiness of all pervading God from God Father himself, as "Holy Spirit" not being all pervading or creator or in sons of God, then it becomes three total. Because Holy Spirit is almost a description of God's nature, because He's a Spirit (John‎ 4:‎24) and He's Holy (Isaiah‎ 57:‎15).

John‎ 20:‎17

>Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Matthew‎ 5:‎48

>Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Jesus was just a testimony to worship God to sons of God, i.e. his equals, and that's the core message that's repeated towards the end of ‎Revelation‎ 19:‎10

>And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Revelation‎ 22:‎9

>Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Even apostles got wrong idea that Jesus was preaching worship of himself. Fundamentally even Islam isn't as broken as Christianity. Knowing how much its main message was changed to suit murderous and idolatrous needs of medieval rulers its better not to touch it at all.

>>208450

>You place God in your own box of limited understanding.

No you. Because you think God is so limited in power he cares about this planet's well being to sacrifice someone for salvation of souls only 2000 years ago, and not from foundation of the world like Revelation‎ 13:‎8 and Vedas and Upanishads all together say about initial creationist sacrifice, in one its a lamb, in another its a horse. He's indifferent to this whole universe, and God knows how many infinite universes are located inside His infinite Intelligence, flare up and die like garland of flames. You're bound by pity national "God of Abraham, Isaal and Jacob" of Israel, not by God of All.

>Mary is ever-virgin because her state of purity wasn't violated by the Holy Ghost.

And so is Semele for whom Dionysus, greek Son of God, made much a revenge to prove she was a virgin, and then proceeded to descent into Hades to commit to her assumption to Olympus.

Nobody gave birth to anybody godlike, you're just being fed a pharaonic worship ritual of divinized person like bunch of miracle working caesars were, so they are remembered as miracle workers forever:

>As Pharaonic precedent demanded, Vespasian demonstrated his divine election by the traditional methods of spitting on and trampling a blind and crippled man, thereby miraculously healing him.

Mark‎ 8:‎23

>And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.

Feel free to redeem yourself one day, for we all have to kill that buddha that stays inbetween us an God to free ourselves for unity with All Highest. Anything less than Absolute is not immortality, and not truth leading to eternity. One day golden walls of jerusalem will melt, people will be behaving strangely, false god won't be seeing righteousness in others, not himself act righteously (Zechariah‎ 11:‎17), and magic of pharaonic and buddhist worlds will die out, even if it will take aeons for pity souls locked there. Until they are collected and rehashed again into the waters of chaos for new creation.

>>208457

>Either all of Scripture is good breathed by God (2 Timothy 3:16-17) or all Scripture is false.

Ah yes, my favorite saying from Vedas, Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita. A saying that scriptures came from God is rather common thing before christianity.

X, XC: The Sacrifice of Primal Man from Rig Veda, Line 9

>From this sacrifice completely offered were bom the Rig- and Sama-Vedas;

>From this were bom the metres, from this was the Yajur-Veda bom.

Taittiriya Upanishad I-5:

>By Brahman, assuredly, are all the Vedas magnified.

Mundaka Upanishad: II,I-6

>From Him the Vedas three, the consecrations, the sacrifices, all rites and the Brahmans’ fees, the year, the sacrificial priest, the worlds whether illumined by moon or sun.

Maitri Upanishad VI-32

>From This indeed do all living things (praqa), all worlds, all the Vedas, all the gods and all contingent beings issue forth, [though it abides ever] in [it]self. Its secret name (upanishad) is the ‘Real of the real’.

Bhagavad-Gita IX:16-18

>I am the rite, the sacrifice, The offering for the dead, the healing herb; I am the sacred formula, the sacred butter am I, I am the fire, and I the oblation offered in the fire. I am the father of this world, Mother, ordainer, grandsire, all that need be known; Vessel of purity am I, the sacred syllable Om; And the three Vedas am I too. I am the Way, sustainer, Lord and witness, True home and refuge, friend, origin and dissolution and the stable state between, a treasure-house, the seed that passes not away.

I also do want to mention wisdom of Brihadaranyaka Upanishad II, IV-11

>all the Vedas meet in one place only,—in the voice:

Let hate not guide you anon, for all discrimination is illusion. Races of mankind can't stand each other, how they are going to stand when enter the unexpected in afterlife? Many solar systems in galaxy, man galaxies in the universe, many universes in God. Keep that in mind. Some places are dumber than ours, some smarter, but if Vishnu didn't maintained at least to not get those things destroyed, their existence would be pointless: Bhagavad-Gita III-24

>If I were not to do my work, these worlds would fall to ruin, and I should be a worker of confusion, destroying these my creatures.

You're overestimating power of authority of mankind over truth, especially if they murdered for it. Heraclitus well pointed out: "History is a child building a sandcastle by the sea, and that child is the whole majesty of man's power in the world."

>>208460

We keep secrets to not argue, because we deep arguing bringer of calamities. On anonymous imageboards we're free sending any message, so might as well be true to it.

All worship comes from one source, but people obscure the source of sources, light of lights. That Source is Holy one abiding in eternity, you can't limit Him to mere man. He's a Lord abiding in the Self, Lord of the Self, won by Love, from Mundaka Upanishad, first verses quoted from Rig Veda:

>Two birds, close-linked companions, cling to the selfsame tree:

>Of these the one eats of the sweet fruit, the other, eating nothing, looks on intent.

>On this same tree a person sits] plunged in grief, mourning his lack of mastery, perplexed:

>When he sees the Other, the Lord rejoicing in his magnificence, his sorrow melts away.

>When a seer beholds the Maker, Lord, the Person golden-hued, whose womb is Brahman,

>Then does he understand: immaculate he shakes off good and evil, reaches the highest, the same manner of being as is His,

Your whole being is relationship of your limited soul, reason principle inbetween, and unlimited God's Intellect. It is said this Lord assumes forms, according to devotees servitude to that Lord, depending on his understanding of Him (from Bhagavad-Gita):

>Whatever form, whatever god, a devotee with faith desires to honour,

>That very faith do I confirm in him, making it unswerving and secure.

>Firm established in that faith, he seeks to reverence that god,

>And thence he gains all he desires, though it is I who am the true dispenser.

>But finite is the reward of such men of little wit:

>Whoso worships the gods, to the gods will surely go,

>But whoso loves and worships Me, to Me will come indeed.

On deeper level of understanding there's no multiplicity, there's no mediators, there's only Lord of Lords. Mediators rob you of life, through making themselves gods, and those mediators thrive on their worshipers:

Rig Veda: X LXXXII To Visvakarman, 7:

>You will not find him who all these begat: Some other thing has stepped between you.

>Blinded by fog and ritual mutterings wander the hymn-reciters, robbers of life!

Zechariah‎ 11:‎16 on false miracle worker:

>For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.

Brihadaranyaka Upanishad I, IV-10:

>So, whoever reveres any other deity, thinking: ‘He is one, and I am another,’ does not rightly understand. He is like a sacrificial animal for the gods; and just as many animals are of use to man, so is each single man of use to the gods. To be robbed of even a single animal is disagreeable. How much more to be robbed of many! And so the gods are not at all pleased that men should know this.

>>208468

No knowledge is knowledge. People can know a lot but understand so little. All christian people here use scripture for antisemitic national socialist agenda as well (feel free to not read the rest of the post). Not to know God. And who knows God is filled with righteousness, not with hate, Bhagavad Gita IX 30-31

>However evil a man’s livelihood may be, let him but worship Me with love and serve no other, then shall he be reckoned among the good indeed, for his resolve is right. Right soon will his self be filled with righteousness and win eternal rest

It fits for wicked priest to not be righteous, who's blind on "right eye" and hand, for all those messianic things were generated in times when Israel was full of robbers, all sorts of messiahs, including prior to jesus according to dead sea scrolls and promises of false signs. Everyone wanted to be a Messiah because thousand years of David's kingdom was approaching.

You're still thinking you can quit it without forgiving your enemies, albeit its your teacher's words. One has to even forgive those fictional blood thirsty jews inside your head as well. But that's just an honest tip. Who sits on thrones at twelve gates of golden jerusalem? There are many gates, many places, but only one imperishable. Think clearly.

You don't want to be a lamb for the slaughter, and be food for priests of Israel. Its better to have no one between you and the God. Don't you understand the meaning of words that the one has to loose his own soul to save it? I still remember Porphyry in his treaty against christians well put some interesting logic that was hidden beneath layers of idiocity, an accidental strike of insight ( https://1lib.eu/book/1257929/bcf41f ):

>By contrast I mention now another item of a more reasonable sort-namely the saying, "They that are well need no physician but rather those who are sick." Christ reveals this to a crowd with respect to his reason for coming to earth. If, as he says, he confronted sin for the sake of those who are weak, what of our forefathers, our ancestors-were they not likewise diseased and weakened by sin? Those who are whole he says need no physician. He came he says not to call the righteous but sinners, as Paul also claims when he says, "Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners, of which I am one of the greatest" (1 Tim. 1.5). If this is true, that those who have gone astray are called, and those who are diseased are healed, while the unrighteous are called and the righteous are not-then it follows that the one who is neither called nor in need of healing among the Christians would be a righteous man who had not gone astray. That is: he who needs no healing is precisely the man-who turns-his- back-on -the word of- faith; and-the-more he turns away from it the more righteous and whole he is and the less he goes astray.

You actually have to kill jesus to save your soul. That's the only way to freedom for a christian. Kinda remind me how Zen Buddhists wrote in the literature (Gateless Gate, https://1lib.eu/book/5254419/894993 ) about killing the Buddha:

>It will be as if you snatch away the great sword of the valiant general Kan’u and hold it in your hand. When you meet the Buddha, you kill him; when you meet the patriarchs, you kill them. On the brink of life and death, you command perfect freedom; among the sixfold worlds and four modes of existence, you enjoy a merry and playful samadhi.

What "When you meet the Buddha, you kill him; when you meet the patriarchs, you kill them." means is that your understanding must be your own. While you are under any other person’s influence you are not standing on your own feet. I say those godless people lack passion, but it reminds me how Lain killed her own false god in S.E.L., only to meet the Father, because that show had buddhist overtones.

Anyway, its been two thousand years. Many smart men came and gone, every one had their own opinion and perspective at ongoing inequity. Instead rampant consumerism and porn won hearts of christian europeans to abandon their preachers, not any wisdom in the world could. And just like Jesus wanted, children continuously betray their fathers (Matthew‎ 10:‎34-37). Just be a little kinder, all people enter into the world, forced into religion and hate of "others", and undergo tribulations and challenges. Only elect get to know true nature even according to upanishads, Katha Upanishad, one of the favorites of Schopenhauer:

>This Self cannot be won by preaching Him, Not by sacrifice or much lore heard;

>By him alone can He be won whom He elects: To him this Self reveals his own true form.

And so it had fallen here this way. The path is where no man thought.

>>208485

>I am neither anti-Semitic nor a National Socialist. I love Truth, however

I too love Truth, and the truth is that this is exactly what Op wants to hear from you.

>You say there are many gates but there's only one

The concept of gates of the dead was initially egyptian thing, Book o Gates is worth reading for a christian, knowing it had some similarities with the 12 retinue of Osiris with Apostles ( https://archive.org/details/the-egyptian-book-of-gates ). There's some some sumerian myth on seven gates to netherworld, which also got taken by some christians, from Sumerian literature like Descent of Inanna, which includes of Inanna getting stuck there for cycle of darkened moon for 3 days and 3 nights ( https://essexmyth.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/inannas-descent.pdf ). Seven gates were associated in Chaldean theurgy with seven planetary spheres, which catholics later stole for themselves (but then again Paul does use chaldean term "3rd heaven" (2nd Corinthians‎ 12:‎2), which is Venus).

From comparative book on cultivating stillness it is said:

>In Confucianism, when this gate is opened, the sage emerges.

>In Buddhism, when this gate is opened, the Buddha emerges.

>In Taoism, when this gate is opened, the immortal emerges.

>Opening the Mysterious Gate is a guarded secret.

>And what of the Synagogue of Satan?

"Synagogue of Satan" is a code term, just like Satan itself. Foreign/anthagonistic religion. It always meant temple of their enemies, since they initially antagonized themselves against all religions, and you're falling for the bait. Nebuchadnezzar didn't ate grass in front of jewish prophet. Pharaoh wasn't pursuing the jews, hyksos weren't slaves. Once jews became "enemy" they also became "satan", because satan means enemy just like belial too simply means "wicked". Much of Old Testament/Tanakh is just shit talking of other civilizations in order to curse them. Just like Holocaust is a curse on European people.

>>208503

I liked Schopenhauer's "art of not reading". So i never read Schopenhauer ever further that, thanks to his brilliant advise. Because i don't bother with atheist perspective of things. Rather than reading western opinions, get yourself acquainted with this slog of 112 Upanishads, if you're able:

https://1lib.eu/book/5224377/a937be

And Gita with lexicon intact:

https://1lib.eu/book/872775/26b4f2

But if you're unable, then try reading everything condensed, cut down:

https://1lib.eu/book/3060852/0028b5

And some decent crops from vedic hymns that'll be helpful for reading Upanishads to not read entirety of the vedas:

https://archive.org/details/Acc.No.14647TheCalloftheVedas1960

>>208600

No, if anything Schopenhauer equated his message with Sakyamuni, "garment of the Christian myth". I mostly focus right now on ancient pre-christian literature and what's been derived from it. Tao Te Ching ( https://1lib.eu/book/3638743/c57edd ) and some Buddhist stuff (one of my favorite sutras for contemplating purposes, it has interesting ideas of atomic cosmos: https://1lib.eu/book/1250577/d5f782 ).

I'l bump this thread with some fascinating literature i'l uncovered, because of spam:

The Tao ultimately roots back to Upanishadic brahman, maybe because of geolocation of Lao-Zi origin being close to border with India:

https://1lib.eu/book/6016063/8049d1

Zen got born from Buddhism mingling with Taoism, through intellectual exchange:

https://1lib.eu/book/738941/1ce80e

Buddhists originally relied on Platonic "multiple reincarnations needed to become enlightened", like three lives of growing wings of Phaedrus, there were no idea of "enlightenment in this life" or "lightning fast way for enlightenment" esoteric buddhists use:

https://1lib.eu/book/5524543/7d4a1d

Pyrrhoism and Alexandrian experience in India (which is the source of all leaks of Indian spirituality to greece):

https://1lib.eu/book/2843491/1f2c02

https://1lib.eu/book/1262886/02d0fb

https://1lib.eu/book/5433511/3a7b29

Ultimately Buddha in popular worship is Vaishnavism re-invented, in a way, they denounce the name of Adhidaiva, but at the same time Avalokitesvara/Chenrezig and other cosmic buddhas of god-like powers is reinsert of same person of "thousand heads, thousand hands, thousand feet", e.t.c., which in Rig Veda was description of Purusa:

https://1lib.eu/book/2384400/c401ae

Maybe the phenomena expanded this way because of eastern aching for God, rather than a teacher. Taoists also aren't completely godless, but its more complicated/elusive, where Lao-Zi may had been extra cryptic. Gita does have criticism of no-action though as "worklessness" with propagation of highest virtue of renouncing fruits of your works instead. It makes Upanishadic understanding of Vedas superior of all those, as their origin. But the rest of development can be viewed for inspirational/disciplinary purposes and learned from.

>>208009

Its an interesting age we live in. If a man resents all for research and reads many of books he can find secrets to all popular brainwashing and all lies. But man doesn't want to do it, because just like Huxley predicted, he's so busy with entertaining himself with leisure, that he'll never want to pick up a book. Ultimately all people fed with surrounding reality are under spell of rationalizing and atheism. Christianity is a form of rationalized religion, first version of the "big brother", that opened gates to atheism and idea of god "dying". That requires you not to be conditioned to, most just hate "heretics" and wait for their death, sacrificing nothing and learning nothing, for "learning bad, might take away from jesus". And it keeps them locked well, Paul told not to even read philosophy (Colossians 2:8), dare they learn anything outside that they took from Stoics and Platonists, free to consume and pretend sin is uncontrollable phenomena beyond their grasp. And love is not for "others", but done either out of picking attention or selectively, least they dare to bid god speed to denier of magical preacher. Looking at christian householders and zealots i know they aren't anything special, surface level of condition to most popular religion.

I shared what i wanted, won't be visiting /pnd/ anymore, its in pity condition.

>>205025

Its normal that the Church fathers despised paganism - St Augustine saw the Galli (self castrated followers of the goddess Cybele, ring a bell?) "parading through the squares and streets of Carthage, with oiled hair and powdered faces, languid limbs and feminine gait, demanding even from the tradespeople the means of continuing to live in disgrace"

Pride parades of the idolaters of the time. Good riddance, Christianity ejected degenerates from society for millennia. Now that there is no Christendom, the Cybele cultists are back.

Instead of crying about a lost degenerate past go be holy, which is the meaning of life.

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>>216129

Appreciate your effort post and honest viewpoint.

>>217051

Last honest viewpoint from me, since its important, and i'l risk for it for truth. Albeit i do believe christianity is tied to bhagavad gita from copying, i do not believe bhagavad gita itself holds any real authority to upanishads or vedas. Where its good it copies from upanishads, and upanishads heavily rely on decyphering hymns of vedas (on hymn reciters being stealers of life not knowing brahman, on two birds in same tree, etc…), i know that Bhagavad Gita legit is written by guy named Vyasa, for it itself boasts about him (hymn X-37)

>Among Vrishni clansmen I am [Krishna,] Vasudeva’s son,

>Among Pandu’s sons I am Arjuna;

>Among sages I am Vyasa,

>Among psalmists the psalmist, Ushanas.

I humbly believe, when Mahabharata was written, Arjuna was alter-ego of the writer, e.g. Vyasa. While "Krishna", the charioteer, was actually "charioteer" as in Lord of the Arjuna's body, so the whole "dialog" happens inside Vyasas/Arjunas mind and its a retelling of his experiences of "walking with God".

But that also makes it equal/lesser than upanishads and not some sort of sacred text.

Mahabharata is rightfully known as war epic like Odyssey, to inspire people of Kshatriya/Warrior caste, its written like a comic book about war effort of suprahuman people/gods. Its not really a serious work and really boring to read on its own.

Vedas > Upanishads (exegesis of Vedas) > Bhagavad Gita (exegesis of Upanishads), that's how one must hold it.

Now one more thing, Bhagavad Gita has a line extremely close to teachings of the buddha, that's so close it stinks (IX-21):

>[But] once they have [to the full] enjoyed the broad expanse of paradise,

>Their merit exhausted, they come back to the world of men.

>And so it is that those who stick fast to the three Vedas [only]

>Receive [a reward] that comes and goes; for it is desire that they desire.

This is not true not because it is provocative towards the Vedas, but because its a blatant copy of Shakyamuni because that guy rejected the vedas in idea of mortality of the gods prior to this text being written.

And on Vyasa (writer of mahabharata and compiler of vedas lived in 400-300bc) being mentioned by Krishna is a blatant self-insert. Because they claim events happened in 3000bc, historians claim events (not writing) actually happened around 1000bc, but Vyasa being mentioned by Krishna kills the whole mystery. I think they attempted to restore god worship during rise of buddhism in popularity.

I judge everything harshly, because i want my mind to be pure for the Lord, and so i wish for others. I know that not even avatars are true worship of Vishnu. Because those are heroes of tales that are mythical and not historical, don't read mantras, don't pray for descent of deities into yantras, don't bother with ritual. But vedas themselves are ours, aryan, and worth studying. As well as exegesis in devotional upanishads like Katha, Svetasvatara and Mundaka. But i can't recommend studying those who believe themselves being brahman/buddha in this very life. Its all so tiresome ride of delusion.

And last but not least, Norse Eddas are same value for us as Vedas, Indra in a lot of ways is amalgamation of Thor and Odin. I suspect an ancient hero of sorts and not really a god, but required by trinitarian temples relying on hero-priest as one of the aspects of trinity (either Odin-Thor-Freyja or Jupter as Terminus-Mars-Juventas). Its all a trinitarian math obsessed sham though even in that period without jews, God is really One. But the real skill is to not throw away oneness of God while researching ancient aryan teachings.

>>217704

From western tradition on that i'l recommend to read Heraclitus, Proclus and Plotinus.

Heraclitus translation by Guy Davenport:

https://1lib.eu/book/2633488/7da5fc

Heraclitus in translation by T. M. Robinson

https://1lib.eu/book/5542084/763852

Enneads of Plotinus:

https://1lib.eu/book/3512648/879038

Elements of Theology (because proclus expands on Plotinus):

https://1lib.eu/book/1235915/2bf749

Introduction to Proclus:

https://1lib.eu/book/2032750/ed1da3

All from One

https://1lib.eu/book/2918521/27f5f1

I uploaded some and more to >>>/pdfs/6208

>>218116

Well, the main point of the Gita that God is One viewed as Manifold is seen in Book 13 Hymn IV of Atharva Veda to Savitar:

>Down looking, on the ridge of sky Savitar goes to highest heaven.

>To misty cloud filled with his rays Mahendra goes encompassed round.

>Creator and Ordainer, he is Vāyu, he is lifted cloud.

>Rudra, and Mahādeva, he is Aryaman and Varuna.

>Agni is he, and Siirya, he is verily Mahāyama.

>Calves, joined, stand close beside him, ten in number, with one single head.

>From west to east they bend their way: when he mounts up he shines afar.

>His are these banded Maruts: they move gathered close like porters' thongs.

>To misty cloud filled with his rays Mahendra goes encompassed round,

>His are the nine supports, the casks set in nine several places here.

>He keeppeth watch o'er creatures, all that breatheth and that breatheth not.

>This conquering might hath entered him, He is the sole the simple One, the One alone.

>In him these Deities become simple and One

>Renown and glory, and force and cloud, the Brāhman's splendour, and food, and nourishment,

>To him who knoweth this God as simple and one.

>Neither second, nor third, nor yet fourth is he called;

>He is called neither fifth, nor sixth, nor yet seventh

>He is called neither eighth, nor ninth, nor yet tenth.

>He watcheth over creatures, all that breatheth and that breatheth not.

>This conquering might hath entered him. He is the sole, the simple One, the One alone,

>In him these Deities become simple and One

>Devotion and Religious Fervour, and renown and glory, and force and cloud, the Brāhman's splendour, and food and nourishment.

>And past and future, and Faith and lustre, and heaven and sweet oblation,

>To him who knoweth this God as simple and One.

>He, verily, is death, he is immortality, he is the monster, he is the fiend.

>He is Rudra, winner of wealth in the giving of wealth; in uttering homage he is the sacrificial exclamation Vashat duly employed.

>All sorcerers on earth obey with reverence his high behest.

>All constellations yonder, with the Moon, are subject to his will.

>He was brought forth from Day: and Day derives his origin from him.

>He was brought forth from Night: and Night derives her origins from him.

>He was produced from Air: and Air derives its origin from him.

>He was produced from Wind: and Wind derives his origin from him.

>From Heaven was he produced: and Heaven derives his origin from him.

>He sprang from regions of the sky: from him the heavenly regions sprang.

>He is the offspring of the Earth: Earth hath her origin from him.

>He was produced from fire: and fire derives its origin from him.

>He is the waters' offspring: and from him the waters were produced.

>From holy verses was he born: from him the holy verses sprang.

>He is the son of sacrifice: and sacrifice was born from him.

>Sacrifice, sacrifice's Lord, he was made head of sacrifice.

>He thundereth, he lighteneth, he casteth down the thunder-stone

>For misery or happiness, for mortal man or Asura.

>Whether thou formest growing plants, or sendest rain for happiness, or hast increased the race of man,

>Such is thy greatness, liberal Lord! A hundred bodily forms are thine.

>Millions are in thy million, or thou art a billion in thyself.

>Stronger than immortality is Indra: stronger thou than deaths;

>Yea, stronger than Malignity art thou, O Indra, Lord of Might.

>Calling thee Master, Sovran Chief, we pay our reverence to thee.

>Worship to thee whom all behold! Regard me, thou whom all regard,

>With food, and fame, and vigour, with the splendour of a Brāhman's rank

>We pay thee reverence calling thee strength, power, and might, and conquering force.

>We pay thee reverence calling thee red power, the silvery expanse.

>We pay thee reverence calling thee vast, wide, the good, the universe.

>We pay thee reverence, calling thee extension, compass, width, and world.

>We pay thee reverence, calling thee rich, opulent in this and that, with wealth unceasing and secure

>Worship to thee whom all behold! Regard me, thou whom all regard.

>With food, and fame, and vigour, with the splendour of a Brāhman's rank.

>denounce your faith in Christ, my fellow Christians

oy vey, it's anuddah shoah

>denounced all ancient civilization as a fabrication of Satan.

Irish monks literally preserved the writings of Aristotle, Plato and others.

Aquinas resurrected Aristotle in Europe while Islam rejected it.

>rejected out of disgust all the cultural offer of our ancestors.

Kept the good (stoicism, virtues, Roman/Byzantine art, education) and rejected the bad (child slavery, child sacrifice, pederasty, homosexuality, war for profit)

>destroyed art

lmao. pic related

>destroyed ancient monuments

Caesar literally burned down the Library of Alexandria. Pagans burned and destroyed their fair share of shit too.

>banned theater, music, songs and sports.

muh consoomerism, muh marvel, muh netflix NOOOOOO

>They fought the spirit and became a brake on science

The Catholic Church built universities and schools across Europe and the world. The Byzantine missionaries taught the Slavs how to read and write, and literally gave them a written language. The only remnants of ancient culture left of the Romans and Byzantines are in Christianity, including their philosophy. So everything you just said here is fucking retarded.

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>>218145

I don't agree with the sacraments because they are way too jewish to me. You should love someone for what they did and who they were and love (unless it is 'jewish love') doesn't mean that you 'eat their flesh and drink their blood'. That cannibalism and vampirism was inherited from the jews nigger ancestors and that is why they think that these perversions are acceptable. When Moses lifted up the Nachash in the wilderness you were never required to perform ritual human sacrifice and eat flesh and drink blood (total grotesque perversion) for salvation, you were only supposed to 'look on it' for salvation. This nigger ideology of cannibalism only entered the teachings of Isreal after Moses part nigger son became high preist and people began following the cannibal practices of the nigger people from africa…so everyone named 'cohen' or its variants is actually a nigger descendant of Moses son and basically holding the nigger values of Africa.

If I had a wish for all forms of Christianity I would selective destroy the nigger behaviors in it and reinstate morality as a core or fundamental belief of the religion. This would excise all the kikes from the corruption of the ranks simply because they couldn't continue to practice an actual moral religion without falling into their typical nigger behaviors.

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>>218612

P.S., I find it hard to believe that you're white and you can't tell the difference between nigger cannibalism and pic related.

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>>218612

You must be a cannibal if you can't distinguish between nigger cannibalism and a religion based in love. Cannibalism is cannibalism.

There is nothing even remotely different between 'the sacrament' and spirit cooking or the nigger cannibals in africa.

It is all very obvious cannibalism.

How can you be 'white' and not understand the difference between the values and moral practices of niggers (which are present in the 'church' due to kike infiltration) and do not have any relationship to Northern or White European traditions and morals (or morality around the whole planet outside nigger culture)?

Are you a fan of rap (nigger music) as well?

What about 'eat my flesh and drink my blood' is confusing to you? It is clearly nigger ideology that was inserted into the religion far after the death of Christ would would have known and understood the idea behind gazing at Nachash and eating Nachash (disgusting in and of itself but obviously the problems go far beyond this).

It is a perversion from the beginning that relates to the lie in the garden which is why it was inserted into Christianity to subvert and destroy everyone who follows it as an abomination to God…what you think is your 'salvation' is actually a jewnigger insertion into the story that makes you worthy of slaughter and an abomination before God and other men.

That is clearly a part nigger or jew in your photo. No one who is White or European would ever condone nigger cannibalism.

I sort of can't believe that you can't tell when the nigger values were added into judaism in the OT. I mean it is pretty obvious when they corrupted themselves and it has never gotten better or returned to anything moral, just like the institutions they spawned. All are immoral and totally corrupted by immoral jewnigger deeds and ideologies.

Why are you making excuses to me so that you can continue in abomination? Haven't you studied comparative religion and come to an understanding about the root of morals or their origin?

>>205025

Im not a Christian advocate. Your rose tinted view of Helenism is wrong tho. Helenism was libtardism back then. Alexander the Great openly advocated race mixing. When Romans took over Greeks they absorbed their liberal, hedonistic and moraly relativistic shit as well as LGBT practices plus religious cults that venerate disgusting stuff.

Also, all of those "nice" things like art, culture or inovativeness are the essence of the progressive instinct. It is a double edged sword. Notice how basically all enterpreneurs and inventors are some sort of idealistic anti-nature fighters.

Eventually (sometimes immediately) it goes against natalism and even things as natural as self defence.

A group of people can't destroy itself by being simple and primitive and sticking to what worked in the past. It CAN by trying new things all the time.

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