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File: 3a67d182c2b3cff⋯.jpg (80 KB, 970x667, 970:667, 127513216sa023-susan-and-d….jpg)

 No.91146

Show me in traditional African music, anything faintly resembling Jazz, Ragtime or Blues: it does not exist. At the absolute most is the percussion. The rhythms of early Jazz can already be heard in Anglo-Saxon operettas of the 19th Century. It is true to say that there have been some magnificent and even revolutionary black performers of Jazz, though more rarely in Rock'n'Roll with the possible exception of Chuck Berry. What is undeniable is that whites have promoted all phases of its evolution. Like it or not, that's just how it is.

Now can we put this silly myth that "Blacks invented Rock'n'Roll" to rest?

 No.91148

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>>91146

just the white devil stealing the kangz chunky riffs and blistering licks since forever


 No.91149

>>91148

sounds like death grips unplugged tbh


 No.91195

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>>91146

Christgau is still a huge fag, though


 No.91229

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>>91146

Have fun m8.


 No.91236

OP, that guy is jewey looking. spoiler that shit.


 No.91237

>>91195

literally or figuratively?

I heard Thurston Moore hated the fucker.


 No.91251

Blacks brought syncopation, polyrhythms and overall more emphasis on percussive elements in Western music.

If you listen to traditional African music from Senegal, the drum patterns can often be as complex as the shit Aphex Twin was doing twenty years ago (minus the Western tonal stuff).

Now I guess you are just a /pol/tard seeking some sort of validation, but I don't know, Tom Wilson produced some of the best records of the 60s like Freak Out! and the VU&N, 40% of rock music is extremely derivative of blues and R&B… Rock n'roll (and non-academic Western electronic music) = Western harmony + African rhythms, it's fucking obvious.


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 No.91291

>>91251

>>91288

African and European rhythm isn't all that different. Musicologists tend to ascribe some unique quality to African rhythm when it just isn't there. The difference between Africa and Western music isn't in the rhythm per se, but in the focus on percussion. African music is tribal and mostly meant to be accompanied by dance, so there's a great focus in percussion. All primitive music in all areas of the world started being highly percussive, because that's what comes easier to us as human beings. Western art music at that point had centuries of development and had forgotten those roots long ago.

While Western music was starting to explore dissonance and entering the modern period, blacks in America started using Western theory and instruments to go back to the most basic human impulse: the rhythm. They just turned the focus back to percussion. If that exploded in popularity was because in the interwar period, Western art music became brainy and almost inaccessible to general audiences. Too experimental and dissonant. Jazz and Blues was the entirely opposite, going back to the roots of all music: percussion. And it caught on hard because rhythm is what comes by instinct to all of us. Almost involuntarily, we begin shaking our heads and moving our feet when we hear a simple but catchy rhythm.


 No.91313

>implying blacks refers to Africans and not Afro Americans

>early rock was called slave music

You do the math


 No.91314

Blacks didn't invent it but they pioneered it, no genre is really invented its a gradual evolution.


 No.91331

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>>91291

Modern classical/art composition is a real travesty. It's not innovative, it's inhuman.


 No.92084

Nice denial there friend. Rock music was shit after the 90s anyway.


 No.92155

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>>91331

What the fuck are my ears being subjected to?

It sounds like three songs put through a midi converter.


 No.92159

>>92084

>Rock music was shit after the 60s anyway

ftfy


 No.92160

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>>91331

Idk man I got high hopes for classical music for getting back on track in the following century.


 No.92161

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 No.92165

>>91291

>Western art music became brainy and almost inaccessible to general audiences

You mean, it became context-dependent shit and gimmicks.


 No.92166

>>91331

>women composers

not even with rented ears


 No.92185

>>92166

may I recommend >>92160 >>92161


 No.92193

niggers and women in music…what is this world coming to?


 No.92293

>>92159

rock was better in any decade besides the 60s and 90s.


 No.92294

File: 95031574300772e⋯.gif (588.92 KB, 245x176, 245:176, vomiting elmo.gif)

>>92293

>70s rock


 No.92846

>>91146

>It is true to say that there have been some magnificent and even revolutionary black performers of Jazz, though more rarely in Rock'n'Roll with the possible exception of Chuck Berry.

Blacks inventing genres dominated by whites is a complete myth born out of WE WUZ thinking and jewish record producer myths. People need to look up french marching band music and European folk music and hopefully they don't have their minds blown.

I often have this discussion with normalfags and they all believe the same chuck berry myth. They believe he invented rock but this is their explanation:

>Chuck Berry invented rock, he tried to sound like the other songs on white radio stations and they couldn't tell the difference. That's also why he was the beatles number one inspiration.

So I ask them this one simple question:

> If he invented rock, how and why did he try to sound like the rest of the music there if rock hadn't been invented yet?

They always have the same perplexed and confused look on their face.


 No.92847

>>92294

IT AIN'T ME

IT AIN'T ME


 No.92848

>>91146

I have a black friend who's full WE WUZ and he came out with this shit recently.

I remember asking him where all the black rock bands where if they invented the genre.

He, in complete genuineness, told me they were kept out by the "racist music industry".

I like 'em, but he's such a fucking idiot at times.


 No.92849

>>92848

>where

*were


 No.92850

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>>92848

>I like 'em

literally why?


 No.92851

>>92850

Beyond politics he's a cool guy.


 No.92856

>>92848

>>92846

>>92851

Most influential black Rock 'n' Roll artists were billed as Rhythm & Blues. The R&B of the early and mid 20th century has absolutely nothing to do with the soulful, Michael Jackson-influenced pop stuff that came out in the '80s.

Aside from Chuck Berry, you had Bo Diddley, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Smiley Lewis, Chuck Willis, Roy Brown, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, Amos Milburn, et cetera.


 No.92859

>>92856

>R&B

To this day I still have no idea what that genre is supposed to be. It seems to encompass everything from poppy love ballads by white artists such as Rick Astley and Sam Smith god I hate that squealy-voiced faggot all the way to radio-friendly hip-hop tracks by Snoop Dogg and Lauryn Hill. Maybe it meant something clear-cut decades ago when it was freshly coined, but nowadays people just seem to slap it on whatever gets popular and isn't an obviously pop/rock/rap track.


 No.92976

>>92859

Contemporary R&B blends loads of styles which in turn have several subgenres of their own as well as tons of crossovers with other genres: New Jack Swing, Neo-Soul, Alternative R&B, et cetera. It's why you can have people from a range of genres all placed under the same roof: John Legend, Luther Vandross, Al B. Sure, Bel Biv DeVoe, New Edition, Boyz II Men, Soul II Soul, Tony! Toni! Toné!, Erykah Badu, Frank Ocean, later Michael Jackson, Prince, Aaliyah, Kanye West, Janet Jackson, Rihanna, Jesus this is getting long.


 No.92992

File: 5a4b1429bc5a000⋯.jpg (28.78 KB, 263x377, 263:377, negermusik.jpg)

<defending negermusik


 No.93607

>>92976

>>92859

>>92856

>>92851

>>92848

>>92846

At its core, Rock'nRoll is rhythmically-augmented Scotch Irish folk. Rock'n'Roll was blacks doing an impression of hillbilly music rather than hillbillies doing an impression of "black music". This is why white rock bands that follow just sound really white, because it's already deeply white going back centuries in its folk heritage. Even the supposed "blue-notes" and tonalities actually just come straight out of Scotch Irish music.


 No.93608

>>93607

A greater emphasis on rhythm rather than melody is something most pre-christian music has in common. I don't get why people think that's a fundamentally black thing.


 No.93818

File: 268cbd1474a0991⋯.jpg (497.48 KB, 1149x732, 383:244, SlaveDanceand_Music.jpg)

>>91146

Actually, blacks invented the Banjo. They taught many of those Scots-Irish masters how to play a Banjo. They may not have composed or written, but they played an influential role in the development of American Old-Time music.

The modern banjo derives from instruments that had been used in the Caribbean since the 17th century by enslaved people taken from West Africa. Written references to the banjo in North America appear in the 18th century, and the instrument became increasingly available commercially from around the second quarter of the 19th century.

Several claims as to the etymology of the name banjo have been made. It may derive from the Kimbundu word mbanza. The Oxford English Dictionary states that it comes from a dialectal pronunciation of the Portuguese "bandore" or from an early anglicisation of the Spanish word bandurria. A Banza: a five double string courses Portuguese vihuela with two short strings. Mbanza is a string African instrument that has been built after the Portuguese Banza.

Various instruments in Africa, chief among them the kora, feature a skin head and gourd (or similar shell) body. The African instruments differ from early African American banjos in that the necks do not possess a Western-style fingerboard and tuning pegs, instead having stick necks, with strings attached to the neck with loops for tuning. Banjos with fingerboards and tuning pegs are known from the Caribbean as early as the 17th century. 18th- and early 19th-century writers transcribed the name of these instruments variously as bangie, banza, bonjaw, banjer and banjar. Instruments similar to the banjo (e.g., the Japanese shamisen, Persian tar, and Moroccan sintir) have been played in many countries. Another likely relative of the banjo is the akonting, a spike folk lute played by the Jola tribe of Senegambia, and the ubaw-akwala of the Igbo. Similar instruments include the xalam of Senegal and the ngoni of the Wassoulou region including parts of Mali, Guinea, and Ivory Coast, as well as a larger variation of the ngoni developed in Morocco by sub-Saharan Africans known as the gimbri.

Early, African-influenced banjos were built around a gourd body and a wooden stick neck. These instruments had varying numbers of strings, though often including some form of drone. The five-string banjo was popularized by Joel Walker Sweeney, an American minstrel performer from Appomattox Court House, Virginia.

In the 1830s Sweeney became the first white performer to play the banjo on stage. His version of the instrument replaced the gourd with a drum-like sound box and included four full-length strings alongside a short fifth string. This new banjo was at first tuned d'Gdf♯a, though by the 1890s this had been transposed up to g'cgbd'. Banjos were introduced in Britain by Sweeney's group, the American Virginia Minstrels, in the 1840s and became very popular in music halls.

In the Antebellum South, many black slaves played the banjo and taught their masters how to play. For example, in his memoir titled With Sabre and Scalpel: The Autobiography of a Soldier and Surgeon, Confederate veteran and surgeon John Allan Wyeth recalls learning it from a slave as a child on his family plantation.

Pic related: "The Old Plantation", the earliest known illustration of a Banjo. This painting is believed to have been painted by John Rose who documented the lives of his slaves.


 No.93819

>>93818

cool painting the niggers actually look like niggers


 No.93820

socrates said music was a lowly art and he was right; therefore niggers can make musical contributions. the music of the european composers lends itself to other art forms and whilst in itself brilliant it only provides atmosphere a seasoning if you will


 No.93833

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>>93820

Go back to reddit, pretentious faggot. Any art can have shitty contributions made to it. Socrates existed during a time when western notation didn't exist. There were hymns and four string harps and shit. That statement is soooo dated and irrelevant to today. It's like saying that all science besides physics is stamp collecting. It's not true anymore. The European musical system can and has produced great results regardless of who uses it. It's not a seasoning. If you think music can't stand on its own, get the fuck out.


 No.95393

>>91146

>>91236

>>91288

>>91291

>>92166

>>92193

>>92848

>>92850

>>92851

wait so even 8chan is full of /pol/tards from 4chan now? jfc, this nazi shit spreads like cancer. someone needs to do something cause the amount of uneducated morons, spouting absolute nonsense everywhere is frightening.

read more books and less breitbart/fas twitter/dailycucker etc. and just fuck off and die fascist scum.


 No.95394

>>95393

The last post was almost 2 months ago.


 No.95395

File: 45491d044b55e19⋯.jpg (40.15 KB, 480x612, 40:51, read muh books xd.jpg)

>>95393

>wait so even 8chan is full of /pol/tards from 4chan now?

>Now

>2018

>Now

Hello newfag.

>Read more books

Oh, you're just a /leftypol/ Redditor. Fuck off.


 No.95396

>>95393

Oh I didn't see the last part.

>Die fascist scum

Get out.


 No.95397

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>>91146

It basically comes down to the blues scale and black music's emphasis on rhythm (aside from a few other things like the banjo, which was brought over from Africa). But, as others already pointed out, the latter isn't something unique to black music.

Popular white music didn't really absorb that much African influence if you compare it to more niche styles like Hill Country blues, which was much more rhythm-based.

>>92159

>implying it didn't peak in the '80s

It really did lose its track for a while after rock and roll died, though.

>>92294

This.

>>92846

Don't forget that Chuck Berry was adapting "Ida Red" when he made "Maybellene."

>>92992

Autistic LARPer detected.

>>95393

You don't need to be a neo-Nazi faggot to see that the "whitey stole the noble BLACK MAN's music!" narrative is a complete crock, niglet.


 No.95438

Robert Christgau had a feud with Thurston Moore in the 80s, but Thurston Moore revealed himself to be a politically insufferable faggot. ::shrug::


 No.95453

>>95438

Nice post retard


 No.95464

Could you imagine working for a year and you get a B+ from some asshole in the Village Voice?


 No.95475

>>95393

>the amount of uneducated morons, spouting absolute nonsense everywhere is frightening

This has been a thing since the universities opened the internet to all. It's the reason why Stanislaw Lem didn't bother with the internet.


 No.95477

>>95453

thanks, same to you. now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna go back to doing retarded things like not engaging in "intellectual man's fetishes" like letting a nigger fuck my wife like you clearly do. thanks for understanding…herp derp. hmmmm this window looks nice gonna lick it. tastes your mother's vagina. cool.


 No.95520

>>95393

>even now

>read more books

<as if books are the only source of knowledge still in the world today and reading them automatically makes you smart

Not worth commenting on the other shit you said in that double-digit post.


 No.95773

>>95438

>Thurston Moore revealed himself to be a politically insufferable faggot.

Sorta like Robert Christgau.




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