/mai/ - Waifu★

A waifu is not a concept of your ideal SO. She is a fictional person that you love just like "normal" people love 3D, it just happens that she is a character from whatever source she is. She may have flaws and things you dont like about her, it's not necessarily the ideal person for your tastes or something like that. Which also invalidates the whole OC thing.

That definition would imply i would prefer a 3D over my waifu if said 3D met those characteristics of my ideal partner, but that is not the case at all. I love my waifu and will never want anybody else.

Love isnt about finding someone finding someone that satisfies all your quirks. If you would have asked me what an ideal partner was before i fell in love with Aya i would probably have described someone quite different from her but yet i fell for her and i've grown to love every aspect of her,and i wouldn't change anything about her, not even what i consider her flaws because those are also part of what makes her her.

waifuism is falling in love with a none existing character.

OC is only not allowed because we don't like it here, same with ponies. Other places like tohno-chan don't even allow western characters.

Also people that say they have OC waifus tend to be trolls.

The difference between falling in love with a none existing character and an celebrity is that the celebrity has a private life you don't know about that is most likely more important for them then what you see of them and a 2D waifu doesn't have any hidden parts. When there is no canon data on any thing about your waifu, you can create that part yourself if you want to.

A waifu for me is simply someone you have genuinely fallen in love with that isn't 3D, nothing more nothing less.

I don't think you can fall in love with OC, since they're more representation of what you find attractive rather than someone you met and learned to love.

>>61686 (OP)

>your waifu is a concept of your ideal SO

I think in a way that's probably true. I wasn't looking for a waifu when I first met her nor was she my type, but deep down she may be my ideal SO. That's actually a very philosophical question though and boils down to how love works. In any case, she had some qualities that made me fall in love with her.

>>61689

>>61695

>an OC is an accumulation of your ideals and that's wrong

I personally don't think that's necessarily the case. You can clearly give your original characters qualities you personally dislike and create them without the intention of falling in love and still fall in love with them.

It also depends on how you create an original character:

My daughterus are shaped after qualities of both me and my waifu rather than my "ideals".

But I personally think that a creator is more like a parent to their original characters, so falling in love with your own creations is a bit like incest.

Still, I don't think it's impossible or necessarily wrong.

>>61689

>Which also invalidates the whole OC thing.

What invalidates flawlessness?

Even a non-original character could be flawless.

>>61711

Sorry i didnt phrase that very well. What invalidates the OC thing is the fact that a waifu isnt a a concept of the things you want in a partner. She is a person that exists one way or the other.

Pretty much what >>61695 said

>>61716

This still doesn't answer my question. What invalidates a relationship with a concept of the things you want in a partner. Your waifu probably also incorporates at least some of your ideals, otherwise you wouldn't find her attractive to begin with.

And even assuming that an incorporation of your ideals is generally a bad thing, what if the original character wasn't specifically created to be your waifu?

For example, let's say you are writing fanfiction with your favorite anime couple having a child. The child comes after their parents and is growing up into an adult. And then you fall in love with them.

That's completely different from an OC being a "representation of what you find attractive".

>>61718

>What invalidates a relationship with a concept of the things you want in a partner

If you create a character with purpose of being your waifu then you're pretty much deciding that you are going to love her from the start. That's not really how love works, it's no some thing you choose. You can't just grab everything you want in a partner and create someone and say "Hey this is my waifu and i love her". Well you can but i wouldn't really believe you.

>what if the original character wasn't specifically created to be your waifu?

That's a bit different and i believe it may happen and the person may truly love his OC, but there's still some problems. Like after you fall in love with her, you are still her creator and are still in control of everything about her, like her entire life and traits you haven't wrote yet, you can do whatever you want with her. And most likely you're just going to write whatever is best for you (not necessarily but very likely). When you love a person you don't really decide anything for her they have a mind of their own, that's kinda what makes love so great. It's having somebody else that is and acts in a way that makes you love her, and when it's you deciding all of that it makes it feel really cheap.

Also maybe there are some very few cases when they are legitimately in love but almost all of them i don't believe it. And you if you ban some OC you kinda have to ban all OC. Exceptions only bring up trouble.

>>61711

>an OC is an accumulation of your ideals and that's wrong

I'm not saying that, I'm saying that you can't really be in love with something you yourself created, I believe love carries with it the thrill of intrigue, you don't know everything about that person, and you want to learn more about them, which encourages you to interact with them and see what they're like.

With OC there's no mystery, you know everything about her and you can change anything about her whenever you want to.

>>61729

>love carries with it the thrill of intrigue

This is how it works in the real world, but in a waifuist relationship you can't get to know your waifu any better than the canon information that's openly available to begin with.

There is no intrigue because you already know everything there is to know about your waifu beforehand. Everything else is headcanon and essentially no different from OC adjustments.

>>61719

>it's you deciding all of that it makes it feel really cheap

That's true.

I'm not trying to legitimize OC waifus in general, but rather the notion that a serious OC waifuist relationship is possible.

It's true that this board had nothing but trouble with past OC fags.

>>61730

>There is no intrigue because you already know everything there is to know about your waifu beforehand

Well, that's not exactly true, there are still things I don't know about Fuuka, like how her childhood was, what kind of music she likes, stuff like that.

>you can't get to know your waifu any better than the canon information that's openly available to begin with.

Exactly, any person who has a waifu can't get to know her as well as any other 3D person, there will always be things that will forever be unknown, and that's part of a waifu relationship, with OC you can't have the same thing.

This is a pretty interesting discussion. The thought of there being no border between the character created within my mind and the ones that exist outside made me feel horrible so I had to work this out. But poor Pygmalion, having his love denied by us who cannot truly know what he was feeling.

What separates the the character that comes from the mind of another author and the one that springs from one's own mind? The intent of the character could be anything. Like some of you said an OC could be created with all the authors ideals of a perfect woman, or maybe even with a cute imperfection thrown in here or there. Or the author could have intended a tragic figure, a horrid character, a misguided hero, anything at all. And then fell in love with his own creation afterwards. For me personally, if I had a creation the thought of falling in love with it seems unsightly, because I know everything there is to know about it. And were it to love me back it would be my own masturbatory design. But isn't that the same with characters created from others? That we call them a wife in the first place is placing our own fiction upon them. Mental control over the created character is the same in both instances. So then the only difference I can see is possibility I suppose. The author's real intent is shrouded, and the direction of the character is shrouded. The author's canon will override any fiction we have. Loving your OC seems disgusting because you have absolute control over their birth and death, their wants and needs. But in another author's world, courting his creation you don't have absolute control. In the back of your mind you have the thought "it's possible that she would reject me, fight me, hate me." Having that possibility is what it means for a human to fall in love with another human, not a god falling in love with his creation.

Put in other words, if you love your OC and it loves you back it's your doing. If it hates you it's your doing. If it fights back or doesn't it's your doing. It is you.

You could say the same for a waifu, but the waifu at her core exists from the mind of someone else. You make her like you in your mind but there's still an original version of her existing within the mind of the creator that could hate you and that possibility makes her touch upon reality, makes you really love her as an individual. Not quite so much as humans that live within their own worlds. But as a being that lives within a world that is not yours to own. In the end it's just a vague feeling. The feeling that you are not in control.

Back to Pygmalion, I believe the gods freed him from the burden of this particular problem. His statue was given life, and thus it's own consciousness, personality and free will from the gods. We should all be so lucky.

>>64698

You operate on the assumption that everyone who has a waifu considers them their wife or that they love them back.

I personally don't think of Fuuka and me as in a relationship, she has never met me, she knows nothing of me, not even that I exist.

But I still love her, she is someone I admire and respect, someone I wish to make happy at all costs.

Pygmalion did not create his statue with her personality in mind, he just sculpted her outward appearance and fell in love with it.

Her personality and spirit were crafted most likely by Aphrodite herself, who made her someone who Pygmalion could love and who would love him back.

If you think about that, Pygmalion did not create his wife, at least not entirely. He more or less just created the shell, a host for her spirit and being to reside in.

>>61686 (OP)

A fictional character whom you love and care about as you would a real human being.

That's about it in its simplest form I think, or at least those are my feelings. It's definitely something that varies from person to person and has no clear definition.

I don't think the definition of an "ideal SO" is completely accurate for everyone, because as an example I could not love a person who is exactly like Azusa or an android/AI made to look and act exactly like her as I love *the* Azusa, I would only settle for the real thing because what matters to me is being able to make her happy and convey my love to her, more so than my individual experiences.

OC waifus or waifus with little to no set personality of their own are also a strange concept to me, as I think an important aspect of a waifu are the things that exist separately from you. That is that her personality isn't something of your own creation and exists externally from you which makes the love just as genuine as any love somebody may feel for a real person, as opposed to being more of just an idea of who you would like your ideal spouse to be.

I think you don't have to see yourself as being in a relationship with the character in question to love them in such a way too, I want more than anything to be with Azusa and I want to ask her on a first date after befriending her and explain my feelings to her and better myself as a person for her so that some day we can be together. De facto I treat her as I would a significant other though because otherwise there would really be nothing for me in this life.

>>64700

>she has never met me, she knows nothing of me, not even that I exist. But I still love her, she is someone I admire and respect, someone I wish to make happy at all costs.

Pretty much this.

>>64701

>A fictional character whom you love and care about as you would a real human being.That's about it in its simplest form I think, or at least those are my feelings.

I agree, you really hit the nail on the head there. There's no need to overcomplicate things.

>>64700

>You operate on the assumption that everyone who has a waifu considers them their wife or that they love them back.

I don't think so. I myself am also aware of the reality, that of her non-existence. I actually think that self-awareness is very important to the character being a waifu and not a self inflicted delusion.

But there was an assumption I had, and that was the solipsistic worldview. In which the world is created within the individual brain. Even if you don't go on dates with her or talk with her, the very image of her in your mind is something of your mind and it exists nowhere else. It's different from the real world in that you own it within your mind. You keep her image safe, unchanging. She is someone you admire and respect because she has to stay that way and literally can't do anything to the contrary. The mind creates a still image of a character and that itself is control.

Again a lot of this rest on BIG solipsism assumptions and I don't mind if you want to reject it completely. (I've come to doubt that worldview myself a lot, but it's what brings me closest to understanding my waifu) In the first place I was just trying to find the border between an original character and another's character. Humans as well can only exist as an image within the individual's mind, but the outside changes our perception of them all the time. You might have an image of a good person, but they turn out bad against your expectations. And at the end I'd argue that waifus are more similar to humans than to OCs. Because the being of waifu is a true mystery, as we cannot truly know the author's intent. They could have shadows of different emotions and thoughts never conveyed in the story underneath what they show. The uncertainty is what's important to truly loving someone. You can know someone up to 99% but as long as you don't know her 100% you can't truly control her and thus fall in love with a waifu.

>Pygmalion did not create his statue with her personality in mind, he just sculpted her outward appearance and fell in love with it.

Yeah that was my point in the end. He is saved this conundrum in the first place through the gods. I've often thought authors are a lot like gods in a way. They are creators of men, they carve their lives out of fiction for us to enjoy.