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 No.8441

Thread locked. New thread: >>13968

Aside from having been around forever, the previous thread is autosaging. New year, new thread.

Post the last book you have read. It would be nice if you add a synopsis or review as well, but it's not a requirement. Just seeing a snapshot of what other image-board anons are reading is itself awesome.

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 No.8443

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Adherence and dedication to a political philosophy does not mean one need take leave of a sense of humor, nor take oneself so seriously as an author.

With tongue firmly in cheek Smith tells the story of a first contact culture clash. The not so committedly Marxist human mining expedition discovers libertarian capitalist claim jumping aliens camping out on their asteroid.

Smith trots out every classic Science Fiction trope he can cram in, along with his usual bits of preaching libertarian refrains, with zingers aimed at the failings of modern civilization. Wouldn't be complete without some jammin firearm visualizations; he renders the gun descriptions with more care than the gorgeous female love interests bouncing around. To be fair there are more guns than women to describe, and what with the expedition suffering under the unyielding cold dead hand of the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation, where every quarter ounce of mass must be accounted and budgeted for, we are treated to the sight of each crew member busting out and strapping on a smuggled handgun at the first hint of crisis. Plus enough ammunition to do a bit of policing, though not quite enough to fight a proper war.

Oh, and cigarettes. Smuggled a ton of them, too.

For the aliens we get plenty of evolutionary paths that might have been. These claim jumpers bear tales of edgy progenitors who fought the good fight that they might gift their children hints of civilization, only to jet off into a distant long night. Somewhere, out there, the progenitors continue on in a grand crusade of hunting down Lovecraftian horrors that are their own progenitors in turn.

For the humans and the aliens both there is no time for disputing property rights, for the progenitor's progenitors have arisen again!

And if that is not enough, we have a nasty tea toting robotic trilobite with a penchant for hanging bodies on the wall, an ironclad mother of hive minded macroscopic single celled organisms here for the chat of a lifetime, and the very spirit of Americana heroically parading on to save the day at the forefront of … the yellow peril?

Oh, uh, don't forget the revealed history of the real Atlantis apocalypse. Bit of Star Trek wedged in there too.

In short, one hell of a humorously fun ride with plenty of surprises and a bit of something for almost everyone.

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 No.8444

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I'm currently going through a book an old friend gave me for my birthday. It's called Shinehawk, and from what little I've read, it's a story of sin and depravity, as well as salvation. Told through a series of flashbacks. I'll post more if I have time to finish it this weekend.

Other than that, I've been reading poetry by Rainer Maria Rilke. The Swan is my favorite.

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 No.8448

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Nolan takes us on a journalists eye view of one of the defining moments of the Vietnam war from the American marines perspective.

As I like to approach things as a fiction writer, I find this book useful. Nolan's presentation nails a dryish non-fictional chronicle style he was aiming for, but some of his battle descriptions leave a lot to be desired. They mimic errors I commonly see beginners make in trying to write battle scenes, which makes for a good comparison to fictional styles which use finer techniques. That is not a criticism of Nolan as he was not attempting a novel. I will make use of them though, as examples when I run across writing questions involving this.

Again, to be absolutely clear a fictional novel was not his goal and his writing serves well as an account of the battle. The writing does manage to capture a bit of the feel of being there. He gives a good overview of the tactics, and the kind of weapons in use. Much detailing is spent showing the confusion and friction between the different power players, and their disparate approaches to the same goal. Highlighted is the weirdness the marines experienced, needing to switch gears from their wide ranging and meandering rice paddy ambush lifestyle, to crashing into the claustrophobic Stalingrad-like confines of fighting across Hue.

A solid and educational wartime historic account.

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 No.8450

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This one. Invisible Cities by Calvino. I liked it a lot. It's a collection of short stories about cities presented as Marco Polo telling Kublai Khan about his travels. It's sort of a dream/fairytale hybrid about symbols and how we think about the world and stuff like that. Very cozy.

Glad this thread is back, its a nice staple of 8chan lit.

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 No.8455

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Like an extremely abbreviated version of Foucault's Pendulum. Enjoyable, but it left me wanting more. The conspiracy theory about Il Duce seemed pretty convincing.

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 No.8464

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A beautiful ballet of life among the caged featuring four socialite protagonists trying to sort their passionate combinatorial problème des ménages. The confines of their playground, or sprawling zoo, being New York City and the greater metropolitan area, circa nineteen forty one.

Delia, gorgeous wife married to a lifestyle planned out through to the grave, and paved in bland. Lydia, lithe dark beauty of the vagabond ballet company, always on the lookout for the main chance at freedom – from herself. Pierre, an opportunistic French artist working to launch his career while on sabbatical from the war ravaged continent. And Jonathan, something of a stand-in for the author – recently returned from Europe – and jogging a good five steps ahead of all the wartime troubles.

Jonathan as Prokosch, or Prokosch as Jonathan, on the lookout for making a career as … something. An architect? A master of those safely drafted to be comfortably stuck in stateside logistics? Mostly, as is the privilege of his class, his is a calling of plain looking.

World War Two draws out to a distant nothing as seen from these circles. The only invasions are perpetuated by those few who fled Europe to vacation among the Americans, acting merely as more exotic and self possessed chess pieces. The real battles are fought by the American elites across the fields of cocktail parties and dinner gatherings, barbing and slashing at peers in a game of pure entertainment without goal, or end.

The climax of the promenade comes from the failures of three to flee the caves, or cages, of their existence. One maneuvers into the princely, prisonly embrace of a more affable oriental gilding. A second is ripped free of attachments only to wander on in puzzled confinement to mid-level-high society. A third is convinced by a beneficent player to execute the knight's jump home; a move as correct as it is too late.

Only the fourth gains a real, final, lasting means of escape.

Prokosch makes for a good study in how to inject mood into the story through landscape, showing especially how the static city changes its presentation along with the ups and downs of the characters. His agreeable choice of chapter pacing and length make another choice for the would be novelist to attentively ponder.

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 No.8496

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I hoped this would be like Accelerando. It's not, but makes up for it by being a good thriller, complete with a explanation of who did what at the end.

The sequel, Rule 34, does try to be more dense by focusing more on AIs and their role in the setting. The result is more confusing, as it isn't clear what exactly happened or why do AIs function the way they do. Why, exactly, do they need a sense of identity? Why does self-awareness pose ethical and legal problems, but an AI's equivalent of pain does not?

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 No.8498

>>8443

>>8464

Why do these sound like they come from the back of the book?

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 No.8505

>>8498

They do sound a little like what you would find on the dust jacket. You are correct, there is something behind the choice of style. It's not sales and marketing though. Each is a mini-essay, where I can wander around and interpret as I please. I could even be flat out wrong. All good, that's one of the advantages of anonymous culture.

What you hear hovering over the tone and approach to my reviews is an attempt to answer the question: "Why should someone else from the board be interested in reading this?"

It worked in two other places, one for Asimov's extended Foundation series, and some Warhammer 40k books. Someone out there claimed to have picked them up based on my feedback. Those two make sense. Now, Idols of the Cave is a tough one to pitch to the twelve to twenty-five year old age range expected to frequent these boards, but what the hell. It's not like I worry about being out of step from the rest of the world with my writing, or reading. I am trying to give something back to the board, and for which I am getting a reward in return. For example:

>>8496

Mentioned a book dealing with AIs and themes of their existence. I want to see how this author approaches all that. It will come in handy for my own stories, and is not the first time I've gotten good advise on what to try out from /lit/.

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 No.8509

>>8505

In Rule 34 doesn't deal with those themes much. The officer who is convinced that an AI is behind the murders that triggered the plot doesn't get to talk much about it. Instead the viewpoint cop thinks a little about what to do if it's true and an interview of a professor who talks about how AIs work in this world.

By the end, it's clear that there's something who caused the whole plot and engineered the different coincidences. I didn't understand what was it trying to achieve, and why did it use this complex plan. Questions about the AI itself are secondary.

Accelerando is in that category of books about subvert common sense, which it does by explicitly contradicting basic mathematics and physics. Its AIs are almost always incomprehensible and often in conflict with the uploaded humans, who resist the acceleration by hanging to their old ideas about economy and law and identity.

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 No.8514

>>8505

You definitely got me interested in Forge of the Elders. Good job!

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 No.8536

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The Samurai Banner of Furin Kazan is in an unusual place. Most of the books I add to this list I would recommend for most everyone, but I'm not so sure about this one. The setting is easily the strongest element, and Sengoku Japan is brought to life very well. The characters were alright and I admit I basically only picked up this book because it stars Takeda Shingen, and I've wanted more stories about him ever since watching Kagemusha. The story is ok, if fairly predictable. There were a few moments when it seemed like the narration ought to have been more 'in character,' especially during tactical blunders (where, as it stands, the narration seems to suggest that splitting an overwhelming force into two weaker forces than the enemy and putting them on either side of a river is a genius plan), but that may be the fault of the translator more than of Inoue.

The quality of the translation is the biggest strike against it. I'm not sure if it was intentional to reflect the original Japanese, or if Yoko Riley is just not a very good writer, but there were more than a few sentences and paragraphs that were tortuously laid out in English. This extends even to paragraph arrangement sometimes. There were several cases where a paragraph would talk about one thing for 3/4 of a page, then break off for a single sentence paragraph about events and chronology in other areas, then flip back for another single sentence paragraph to wrap up the thought of the original paragraph. It feels like Yoko Riley either didn't have an editor, or that her editor wasn't paying very much attention. There's no editor listed in the acknowledgements, so maybe she just didn't have one.

So overall, it's OK. Not great by any means, but it's not as though I wasn't able to finish it. If you are a big fan of Samurai/feudal Japan, and want a more political sort of historical fiction, you might check it out. Otherwise, there are probably better things to read.

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 No.8542

>>8536

>Kagemusha

is it good?

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 No.8544

>>8542

It's incredible. I don't know how familiar you are with Akira Kurosawa, but basically he made these 2 great samurai epics right near the end of his career: Kagemusha and Ran. Ran is an adaptation of King Lear, and follows the Shakespeare pretty closely, though thee are a few notable changes (like Lear's daughters are Hidetora's sons). Kagemusha is Kurosawa's own story, and it is about a thief (the kagemusha) who plays the double of Takeda Shingen for years after Shingen dies.

I like to talk about both of those movies together because, for whatever reason, Ran seems to be remembered fairly well where Kagemusha has largely faded from consciousness. Anyway, you probably won't find Kagemusha on many "most visually incredible" film lists, but Ran is a pretty common choice, and they are both pretty similar visually. There are a whole number of simply incredible shots, and there are more than a few sequences that seem to have had a surprisingly large influence (there's one scene of the Kagemusha riding in front of Takeda cavalry that will seem uncannily familiar if you like Return of the King).

So yes, I think it's great. And it's on US Netflix, so pretty easy to go watch.

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 No.8569

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The sound of the mountain by yasunari Kawabata

Book tells of an old withering man who struggles with his memory and the relationships with his family. This all takes a toll on him especially the looming fear of death that the man sees and dreams all the time, adding to it the rumbling of a nearby mountain that reminds him of death.

He finds solace in his daughter in law kikuko which he finds attractive, tender and seems like the only persons in his life that tries to understand him and console him in his old age.

As a young guy it was rather interesting albeit a tad bit perplexing to see through the eyes of an old man, it seems scary to be that age and be scared of every little physical disease or accident might bring upon one's death. The main character the old man Shingo despite his old age is easy to like and understand his fears and his heartwarming moments

I won't give away any more of the story but I really enjoyed it, the book is about ~250 pages long, pretty short but very enjoyable but an awesome read and seeing the complex relationships in his life unfold and hear his struggle with them and his fears makes for a book that inspires a good range of emotions with plenty of food for thought.

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 No.8581

I just finished Hamlet yesterday and I'm reading a bit of other English poetry now. The first time I liked Hamlet for the plot, but this time I really appreciated the dialogue more than anything. While much of it went over my head and seemed irrelevant to the setting, the majority was beautifully written. It's certainly a poetic play.

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 No.8582

>>8448

huehuehue

Bravo Nolan

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 No.8583

>>8581

I first read it in high school, but I also recently went through it again. It's much funnier than I remembered, and the Yorick's skull scene really got to me.

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 No.8586

>>8582

Oh yeah, I noticed the exploitable reaction-image potential of the book cover first time I saw it. I think I've got the perfect hue-hue-hue pic to graft on over the marines walking by the wall too.

Feel free to meme it up yourself. I'll be keking warmly and hard if/when I see this make the rounds. It'd be nice to see 8chan /lit/ score one for some chan originality.

>>8509

Your caveat is noted. Even if the POV of these themes is indirectly presented I think it will be useful to see how he goes about it. I'm gonna check it out anyway.

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 No.8588

>>8544

i can't say i'm familiar with kurosawa. i've only seen seven samurai and rashomon.

i must say that i liked how he handled those two akutagawa's short stories he mashed in rashomon.

didn't know about ran, so i doubly thank you.

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 No.8590

>>8583

>the Yorick's skull scene really got to me

That part is heavy af. I did notice the humor more this time, but it still wasn't anything I actually laughed out loud about. The part where the gravedigger insulted the English was pretty good.

>>8586

I'll see what I can do ;)

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 No.8592

>>8590

>but it still wasn't anything I actually laughed out loud about.

It was mostly Hamlet's interactions with Ophelia that got me. Specifically when he was being an asshole and her never catching on.

Now I'm in the mood for more Shakespeare. What should I read next? I've read Macbeth and Julius Caesar way too many times.

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 No.8593

>>8592

The Tempest?

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 No.8594

>>8592

I liked when Hamlet gave a long monologue to her about suicide and she just acts as if it was a normal greeting. Ophelia was kind of a shit waifu, though.

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 No.8596

>>8592

So a lot of Shakespeare plays are grouped into sets of 4. I don't know how standard the names are, but the actual groupings are pretty regular.

Sounds like you've already read more than a few of the 'Great Tragedies,' which is normally made up of Macbeth, Othello, Hamlet and King Lear. These, of course, are pretty generally regarded as the absolute best of Shakespearean tragedy (although for interesting reasons, which I'll get to a bit later).

Another set is the 'Roman Plays,' or Coriolanus, Julius Caesar, Antony and Cleopatra, and Titus Andronicus. T. S. Eliot has a really interesting essay called 'Hamlet and His Problems' that you should check out, where he makes the case that Hamlet in particular has a whole lot of issues specific to its construction, and that we (as in most scholars) tend to think of Hamlet as something of a normal Shakespeare because it is so commonly read, rather than thinking of something like Julius Caesar as the normal and treating Hamlet as something very unusual. Anyway, I think the 'Roman Plays' get at a lot of similar issues and do so in a way that is criminally under taught (especially in the case of Coriolanus and Titus Andronicus, which are awesome plays that are a ton of fun and apparently highschool english teachers haven't realized that most kids would pay more attention to a play like Titus Andronicus).

Anyway, the third set I would recommend looking at is often called the 'Henriad,' and contains the plays Richard II, Henry IV 1 & 2 and Henry V. They're all great plays in their own right, and it's worth reading the whole set just to see how Prince Hal/Henry V develops over the course of the 4 plays. Also, the BBC did an interesting multi-part production of all 4 of the Henriad plays in a series called "The Hollow Crown," and while they clearly have some limitations (Kenneth Branagh's version of Henry V is probably a better version of that play) it's neat to see the whole set performed, and it's always worth trying to see the plays performed, rather than just read.

I noticed I'm showing my biases by not recommending any comedies. If you want to read Shakespeare's comedies, there are a bunch of those too.

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 No.8597

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I actually finished it today. It's a pretty short read - only about 210 pages with a fairly big fontsize - about Jim Carroll's early teens, in which he played basketball, fucked around and cruised for heroin with his friends. Considering it was written when he was 12-16, the writing is pretty impressive, coming off as very natural while also being fluent and vivid. (That being said, I'm really curious to know just how much of the book was edited by Carroll before publication, because I sincerely doubt it was just spelling and grammar errors that were… corrected, for lack of a better word.) I'd recommend it to anyone who's really interested in learning about people and their individual lives, but it's not something you'll want to read if you're looking for practical information, or escapism.

I'll say the same for Johnny Cash's Man in Black, which I finished only a few days before The Basketball Diaries. Cash was a pretty good song writer, so it makes sense he had an adequate understanding of written communication, but Man in Black certainly has it's flaws, mostly with pacing and fluency. At the same time, there's kind a charm in the fact Man in Black doesn't seem to have been written by a ghost-writer, and it comes off as more natural and honest as a result. Cash also had a pretty interesting life, and there are some pretty hilarious anecdotes in here. (Well, one particularly comes to mind.) Overall, I'd recommend it for the same reason I recommend The Basketball Diaries, but only to a lesser extent. It's pretty good, but there are better books to spend your time on.

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 No.8599

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>>8593

That's up there, but I think >>8596 swayed me over to the Henriad plays since I never bothered to get into them. Thanks for the recommendations.

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 No.8600

>>8594

I also like the part where he tells her to fuck off and be a nun. I remember several classmates getting offended. It was pretty hilarious.

>Ophelia was kind of a shit waifu, though.

Without a doubt. She was something of a ditz. Still, her love for Hamlet was most likely genuine. It's just that it was never realized as she was caught in the middle of various complications, and never made her own choices. Well, save for her death.

Now this begs the question of who's the best Shakespearean waifu. I'll be a pleb and say Juliet.

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 No.8602

I'm thinking of getting One Second After, is it any good /lit/?

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 No.8606

>>8600

When he told her to go to a "nunnery," he was also referring to something else, anon.

Also, I haven't read or seen any Shakespeare plays other than Hamlet in a long time, so I can't say who the best waifu is.

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 No.8672

A book on criminal law, and Consider Phlebas. Now I'm reading Stahlfront. It's kind of a weird book.

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 No.8815

Casino Royale. It's the first James Bond book apparently. I've seen most of the movies, although I think I've blocked at least some of them out in my memory. Anyway, I'm surprised how much I enjoyed it. It's not great literature or anything, and I think it also makes a strong case for why characters like Nick Carraway are helpful (because it's hard to do the inside of a superhuman's head), but it was a lot of fun.

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 No.8866

>>8672

Finished Stahlfront a while ago.

So, here's my opinion: The book is plain silly. It's like the Turner Diaries, except more politically correct (not hard to do), better written (not hard to do) and with more nazi superscience. The military action was pretty good, at least.

The book does have some major flaws. Leftism being caused by alien parasites, and only aryans being immune to those, kind of defeats makes the nazis right for the wrong reasons. And why does the author even pretend the thule society was bad? We know they are his pet faction. Having an obnoxious character stir up trouble by persuading a true aryan the the nazis are bad causes unnecessary conflict, and no one wants to read that. Also, what's up with the thule society being pissed whenever you mention Hitler? You're fucking nazis! Deal with it. Lastly: One of the main character threw neutron bombs at a densely populated city, for the sole purpose of killing off millions of civilians. Why, then, does he act all offended when he sees some aliens kill just a few civilians? Dude, you literally murdered more people in half an hour than are annually killed in the US.

Stahlfront makes a weak case for fascism, national socialism, social darwinism or anything, really. If you feel like reading a silly book about nazis fighting aliens, give it a try, but don't expect anything remotely smart beyond technical manuals on how Stahlzeppelins could work.

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 No.8871

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The title means Knights and Knights' Orders

It's a book written for the average people. I got it from the local main library's sale, it's almost as old as I am (printed in 1988) and someone used it as a learning book in the past.

Got some really interesting facts from it, like for example that the troubadour wasn't the actual singer or performer of the chasons de geste ("knight tales"), they were the authors, while the jugglers were the performers.

Enjoyed it, and now I know that there was a templar and a St. John's Order house in my city in the XII. or in the XIII. century

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 No.8876

Harry Potter: Philosopher's Stone :^)

Actually almost done Three Musketeers

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 No.8933

War and Peace

Well written masterpiece by Tolstoy. I recommend newcomers to Tolstoy to start with "The Death of Ivan Ilych" (look for editions that include the stories "Master and Man" and "Family Happiness"). Then, if you have thoroughly enjoyed the novella, feel free to tackle Tolstoy's longer works.

The book is a realist/historical fiction that places interesting, dynamic characters of Tolstoy's invention alongside historical figures. It deals with the first wave of Napoleonic conquests from 1805 to 1813. The protagonist, Mosseiur Pierre, is a lovable oaf who amasses a great wealth. You follow the progression of his life and that of his friends during this tumultuous time in Russia. Napoleon's name is on everyone's lips, and people are uncomfortable with the possibility of invasion. In vivid detail, Tolstoy tells the stories of our heroes, their relationships, loves and woes giving them a life of their own.

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 No.8955

Don Quixote

Read within a month, amazing metaphors and all the neat literary tricks he brought to the masses, the only real complaint is the ending, which I guess he did because he was getting plagiarized, halfway done naked lunch I'll finish it in 2 days, and I feel he just wants to be more and more vulgar. But as a former junkie I totally get his mind space that he wrote it in. Also for 1958 I can see the barriers he had to go through and that's chill, I still wouldn't rccomend it to anyone unless the situation really calls for it. The book is just to sporadic and vulgar.

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 No.8965

File: 1457365884412.jpg (24.16 KB, 250x400, 5:8, Psychopathy.jpg)

Covers various studies on psychopaths. Psychopaths may be either serial killers or highly functionally people, like CEOs, lawyers, special forces etc. In certain situations, they have some advantages over normal humans.

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 No.8973

>>8965

this is pretty much about the same subject

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Psychopath_Test

though it focuses more on wacky psichiatry.

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 No.8974

File: 1457382624866.jpg (8.06 KB, 143x218, 143:218, CementGarden.jpg)

This was recommended at the back of The Empire of the Sun. Unfortunately I remembered seeing the (faithful) movie way back in the 90s almost immediately so the shock value wasn't there.

He didn't seem to quite capture the total abandonment setting Ballard could, but I really liked the parents as characters. The siblings seemed weaker and more like an excuse for musings on sexuality, but I only had one brother who was emotionally independent from us from age 12 so what the hell do I know.

I am curious about his novels (this a short story) but the blurbs are all "shouty".

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 No.8990

File: 1457467196020.jpeg (10.97 KB, 195x293, 195:293, Unknown.jpeg)

Here are three I read, but haven't posted yet:

Faust by Goethe

Beowulf, Tolkien Translation

Aeschylus I

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 No.8991

File: 1457467210225.jpg (38.24 KB, 320x499, 320:499, 51XBodiqMiL._SX318_BO1,204….jpg)

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 No.8992

File: 1457467227484.jpg (39.91 KB, 324x499, 324:499, 51Sc7WD1M-L._SX322_BO1,204….jpg)

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 No.8997

File: 1457496319155.png (154.24 KB, 326x499, 326:499, ClipboardImage.png)

So I know that at least one of our regulars is a big Graham Greene fan. I hadn't read any before this one, but I enjoyed it a lot. I suppose I'll have to read some more of his. Anyway, it was good and I liked it.

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 No.8998

File: 1457497108200.jpg (45.55 KB, 333x499, 333:499, therevenant.jpg)

I basically only read this one because I saw (and liked) the movie (although I thought it had some pretty serious flaws). After reading it, I'm really surprised at how much was changed for the movie. Honestly I think most of the changes were for the worse, especially considering that one of the big complaints about the movie is how Leo's character survives some ridiculous things. Basically, there's no riding over a cliff in the book, and the only time that he gets in the river and it's really cold out he makes a fire to dry off his clothes right away. Also, Glass doesn't have a kid in the book, which helps the story feel a lot more interesting, and he gets a fair bit of help at the points when he really needs it. There's even a scene where he chases a pack of wolves off a Buffalo calf carcass with a torch, that I couldn't believe was cut because it probably would have looked great on screen.

So if you liked the movie and aren't worried about what reading a more realistic version of the story might do to your experience, I'd recommend it. And if you're like me, you'll probably just enjoy imagining Tom Hardy in all the extra scenes with his character enough to make reading the entire novel worth it.

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 No.9000

>>8815

I thought the book was one of the best written in the Bond series. The recent Daniel Craig film is fresh in my mind, I'm thoroughly enjoyed it, and, that spoiled some of the story for me.

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 No.9001

File: 1457532529966.jpg (20.34 KB, 267x400, 267:400, 20706317.jpg)

It's a very good read. Very few long chapters, interesting and complex story, but not too complicated.

Has some scientific gibberish in it, but it's not that hard to understand.

The concept of these uroboros people is really interesting: They are immortal, but not in the sense that they can't die. They do die, but after that, they are reborn again, in the same time, at the same place, as the same person. So their minds are really-really old.

I'm not saying any more, because those will be spoilers, but I do recommend this book!

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 No.9006

>>8973

I have read that too. I believe Dutton does a better job of dis-mystifying the dark triad.

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 No.9108

File: 1457979624816.jpg (14 KB, 250x400, 5:8, Creatura.jpg)

January 3rd, 2059, the last day of the last lingering human survivor, and the last full day of the old world.

Born in desperation as a means to drag life and civilization past the ultimate extinction, with three hundred years to their credit carrying the world forward. Still, the genetically spliced Creatura remain culturally and religiously adrift among humanity's ruins. Too ready to define their lives and values in terms of their exposure and exploitation of what remains – theirs is a society dedicated to archaeological anthropology.

Shana Feles is a felinoid relic hunter looking for some fast credits earned on the side scouting for a fly by night mercenary company. An easy contract job of bump-and-scare turns into a bloody murder spree, and Shana finds herself on the run in a Maltese falcon hunt across the post apocalyptic cadaver of North America.

A adventurous furry-fictionalized tale of the future by Paul Lucas.

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 No.9129

File: 1458058079637.jpg (12.63 KB, 261x400, 261:400, TDJ.jpg)

The end is tragic as is the tradition of all biographies.

He dies.

Known as a rising star of literary fame in the thirties, and lauded as a writer's writer thereafter. He lived the lifestyle precariously, and as well as he was able to. Sometimes scraping by, sometimes scamming by. His biography is something of a mirror to Thomas Pynchon's, sliding by life not through obscuring quietude, but a twisted reflection of constant misdirection and aggrandizing lies. He boasted that none knew who he truly was, or the places he had been, nor all he had done. In matters of the truth he saw himself as an alliance of one against the world.

His two earliest best selling novels were often mistaken as being autobiographical, as was his personal memoir thought to be a proper roman à clef. All were proven inventions of the purest form, and no less brilliant for being so.

Some amusing verifiable facts of his life do survive. He had a habit of sending nude photographic portraits of himself to literary idols as a means of introduction. A creatively personal form of self promotion that was not always appreciated, in spite of his remarkable athletic charms.

Robert M. Greenfield manages to put together a coherent guide to Prokosch's life, doing well with what remains verifiable, and mining what could be from those who otherwise knew Prokosch personally – if only in part.

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 No.9131

>>8997

>So I know that at least one of our regulars is a big Graham Greene fan.

Greene fanatics unite!

Sadly I've not read that one but it's going on my list. Thank you for the recommendation.

Gonna be a while though as I'm up to my eyeballs in a certain thousand-plus page novel, a grand geologic tour of the vagarities of Iceland spar. Stay tuned for my review …

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 No.9226

File: 1459090579352.jpg (151.75 KB, 622x1045, 622:1045, Out_Of_The_Silent_Planet.jpg)

Class science fiction story by the one and only C.S Lewis.

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 No.9234

just started La Porte Étroite by André Gide

http://www.ebooksgratuits.com/pdf/gide_porte_etroite.pdf

mon cher Alissa, mon douloureuse

clin clin

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 No.9235

>>9226

Ew, jew on a stick on mars.

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 No.9236

File: 1459232045626.jpg (76.79 KB, 1000x603, 1000:603, 12473670_587389918079810_3….jpg)

>>9108

might be worth looking in to for >>>/tg/ related ideas.

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 No.9237

>>9236

what is the appeal of furries?

what is the psychological mechanism that makes those a fetish?

sage because not /lit/ related.

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 No.9239

>>9236

Since you are fishing for /tg/ related info I'll drop a few notes and another suggestion that might be helpful.

I reread Creatura so as to give it a proper review here, which I did not do in the original "What have you read?" thread. I also reviewed another work titled: The Shattered Sky. The latter was written and published several years after. While I recommend both, there is a noticeable improvement of the quality of his writing in TSS.

On the sliding scale of furryness, from full on ferals to to regular people sporting a pair of fuzzy clip-on ears, Lucas is writing characters with real physical differences who are otherwise human. That is a demonstration of a critical choice in writing technique. Presenting truly alien characters well, while keeping them interesting to the reader, is damned difficult to pull off. What Lucas does works for me, but it may not be hardcore enough for some connoisseurs of the genera. I'm only dabbling through the vaster realm of furry fiction though, my tastes for Scifi being more mainstream.

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 No.9240

File: 1459284599860.jpg (115.36 KB, 702x1100, 351:550, 9788807018855[1].jpg)

It is a good read.

You can finish it really fast, and the story is fascinating: What is the purpose of life, what is the meaning of being?

This is aimed at kids in high school, but was written 15 years ago. Today, it doesn't count as shocking, maybe back then, it was. Some of the coming twists are easy to forsee though. It has some shock value of course, but overall you probably start to feel the same things as the narrator girl, while reading it.

It could be made into an awesome movie. Young people should watch/read this, instead of hunger games.

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 No.9244

>>9237

Actually, I think this deserve an answer and some discussion. New thread created for such:

>>9242

My answer will be forthcoming there.

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 No.9250

File: 1459303433341.gif (121.17 KB, 350x536, 175:268, the_stars_my_destination.gif)

Having an insane protagonist and not caring about realism in the science are what makes The Stars My Destination the kind of book that feels like it was made up as the author went along. Quite the ride, Bester.

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 No.9253

>>9240

are you italian or was it the first pic you found on google images?

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 No.9256

>>9253

No, I'm not Italian, just liked the picture.

The book is called Intet in Danish, so I guess the English title is Nothing

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 No.9258

File: 1459386100187.jpg (537.08 KB, 1216x1604, 304:401, pu_The_Stars_My_Destinatio….jpg)

>>9250

Man I loved this, it was a wild ride. A blockbuster of words. Was the part in which he gets the ship he's stuck on in the beginning accurate? I'm not all that science savvy, but it came off as sound, everything else was clearly fantasy.Works like this tend to put my head in a spin over what exactly is Science fiction, which weird considering I am not scientifically literate.

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 No.9262

>>9258

philip k dick's science is not that accurate either. but a lot of people like his works regardless.

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 No.9263

>>9262

and definitely consider it science fiction.

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 No.9264

>>9256

yeah. feltrinelli has some nice covers.

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 No.9267

John Grisham's Sycamore Row and Rogue Lawyer.

For some reason I really like the simple way he writes.

Sometimes I cringe at how he structures sentences but that's really just nitpicking.

I know I'm a pleb but I need something easy to read sometimes.

My favorite book is Flowers for Algernon followed by 1984.

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 No.9268

File: 1459452962567.jpg (14.91 KB, 329x367, 329:367, Verne.jpg)

>>9258

You mean creating fire with sodium and water? I guess it's correct. I liked how they use antigravity for take-off and combustion in space.

>>9262

>>9263

There aren't any strong rules to how much speculation you need before it's considered science fiction.

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 No.9269

File: 1459472920595.jpeg (8.3 KB, 191x293, 191:293, Unknown.jpeg)

>>8992

Hey, BO, would you mind allowing posts to have more than one image? I would really appreciate it.

I recently finished these two books.

Aeschylus II

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 No.9270

File: 1459472971277.jpg (45.39 KB, 321x499, 321:499, 51RQm2KosAL._SX319_BO1,204….jpg)

>>9269

And Morgoth's Ring.

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 No.9313

File: 1459821973205.jpg (18.31 KB, 324x499, 324:499, opusdei.jpg)

When I started Opus Dei I actually didn't know that you're supposed to read some of his others before this one. That being said, it was excellent, so I'm pretty excited to read some of his other stuff. I'm not entirely sure about all of his conclusions with regard to the genealogy of some of the concepts he pursues, but the actual content was really interesting. So if you're interested in hearing about how Augustine and Aquinas permanently screwed with ethics by introducing duty, then check it out.

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 No.9314

>>9313

>screwed with ethics by introducing duty

How? Duty is an very significant principle.

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 No.9315

>>9314

Well Giorgio's point has to do with the idea that A) classical philosophy was concerned with appropriateness or decorum, rather than duty, and that B) duty comes out of a complex balancing of the ontologies of being and ought-to-be. He essentially tracks the development of duty as an ethical concept from the way that these relatively early church thinkers (like Augustine and Aquinas) attempt to integrate classical philosophy with the new christian concepts, and that the result is the pair concepts of "office" and "duty."

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 No.9320

>>9313

what has duty in common with the use of this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cilice

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 No.9322

File: 1459891659792.jpg (16.05 KB, 236x332, 59:83, 3a3d1b3cc5bce7a778f8f392fa….jpg)

When I was a kid, I've heared the title, and thought how cool and mysterious it sounded. Then I've read what's it about, and from that on, it didn't interest me that much, though I remembered my mom saying it's a really violent book.

Then I saw the 1990 movie, and a week after, found the book in the local library's sale of used copies. Cost me like 50 USA cents, a 1966 edition, translated, in a pretty good condition, despite it's age.

I've read that people even in Golding's time considered this as an old story, and even more as the years passed. However, I really liked it.

His description of the island and it's surroundings is very vivid, and the main characters are well written. I knew what was going to happen, but it was much more gruesome in the book, than in the movie.

tl; dr: I like it.

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 No.9326

>>9320

No idea. Most of the stuff about duty is about the concept of office in the church. Its really more about thinking about being as "ought-to-be" rather than as "is."

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 No.9327

>>9315

But that's not an argument against duty. That's just its history in ethics. I'm not seeing how it screwed withs ethics.

>>9314

>an very

fuggg

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 No.9329

>>9327

I suppose screwed with is misrepresentative of Giorgio's argument. I don't think he's making a judgement on whether or not duty is a good think. His central argument is that duty (and a whole set of related concepts) come out of a relationship between "is" and "ought-to-be" that is deeply ingrained in the history of Western thought to the point that it can be hard to notice. So when I say Augustine and Aquinas screwed with ethics I suppose the better way to put it is that thinkers like Augustine and Aquinas significantly shifted the focus and logic of ethics with some of their theological inventions (or at least, that's Giorgio's argument).

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 No.9344

File: 1460019811972.jpg (1.32 MB, 4046x2532, 2023:1266, 2015-10-20 09.39.06.jpg)

These are what I had read in this order and am about 30 pages from finishing Behold The Spirit; took a while since that one is the most difficult thing I've ever read and so it alone took me more time than all the previous ones put together.

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 No.9345

File: 1460019841401.png (267.59 KB, 699x1506, 233:502, Untitled.png)

>>9344

Once I'm done there I have plenty more on the way.

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 No.9350

>>9344

>>9345

>all these self-help books

what are you looking for, anon?

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 No.9353

>>9344

>>9345

you should save yourself the shelf space and buy some real philosophy books http://classics.mit.edu/Epictetus/epicench.html

or if you'd rather have an annotated, modern translation http://www.amazon.com/Discourses-Fragments-Handbook-Oxford-Classics/dp/0199595186/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460078741&sr=8-1&keywords=oxford+worlds+classics+epictetus

i personally vouch for this book, if that means anything to you.

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 No.9388

The Mosque of Notre-Dame by Elena Chudinova. Thrilling beyond belief, invigorating and inspiring.

I already knew virtually everything Chudinova mentions about Muslim beliefs and culture, but the way she combines all the elements to envision what France would look like under Wahhabism is just chilling.

Chudinova, a Russian Orthodox writer, presents a sympathetic and informative portrait of traditionalist Catholicism. But even more than Christian fiction, The Mosque or Notre-Dame makes a stellar Identitarian read. Betrayal and fidelity, forgetting and upholding what has been passed down from ancestors are constant themes.

The novel was completed in 2004, but the 2015 Remnant Press translation into English could not have been more timely!

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 No.9389

File: 1460263915495.png (43.04 KB, 311x499, 311:499, ClipboardImage.png)

Look Who's Back by Timur Vermes. Hitler wakes up in a park in Berlin in 2011 and can't remember anything more recent than hiding out in his bunker. Hilarity ensues. It's sort of a satire and sort of a satire of satire, but mostly it's wonderfully funny.

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 No.9428

File: 1460400607820-0.jpg (24.9 KB, 323x499, 323:499, 419OttMMLCL._SX321_BO1,204….jpg)

File: 1460400607821-1.jpg (28.86 KB, 324x499, 324:499, 41vr7OrkRRL._SX322_BO1,204….jpg)

>>9329

Yeah, I kinda misread it that. My bad. My mind saw "screwed" and must have substituted "with" with "up".

2/4 Greek playwrights

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 No.9429

>>9428

>it that

RRREEEEE, why do I make so many errors?

Thanks, BO for the image increase

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 No.9430

>>9428

No problem brosef. I actually felt like it was helpful to understanding it to try to explain what I meant.

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 No.9431

File: 1460405356284.jpg (12.1 KB, 200x316, 50:79, 9780714525808.jpg)

I was expecting the locals to have fun at the foreigner's expense, but no. Marrakesh is a serious place, that simply happens to alternate ridiculous and sad situations.

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 No.9451

File: 1460522170807-0.jpg (537.29 KB, 1269x1539, 47:57, 2016-04-12 09.14.00.jpg)

File: 1460522170807-1.jpg (407.5 KB, 1704x1264, 213:158, 2016-04-12 09.15.01.jpg)

Just came in the mail.

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 No.9452

>>9451

is it really just the bible? that would actually be funnier than you getting jipped.

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 No.9455

File: 1460540538692.jpg (107.94 KB, 900x600, 3:2, 1457049139689.jpg)

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 No.9459

>>9451

well, it is a bestseller, after all.

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 No.9467

File: 1460597076088.jpg (110.6 KB, 600x958, 300:479, serveimage.jpg)

Percy Fawcett is most known for his mysterious disappearance looking for the "Lost City of Z," but what piqued my interest in his memoirs was hearing about his supposed encounters with a ~60 foot anaconda and what he thought was a living dinosaur in the Madidi swamps, and how his wild stories inspired his friend Arthur Conan Doyle to write The Lost World. Although I was disappointed to find no description of the latter incident in the book (from what I recall, anyway– there's still a relevant illustration featured at one point), there are still tales of poisonous spiders the size of dinner plates, a cat-like dog, the Double-nosed Andean tiger hound (sightings of which actually got some media coverage a while back), sightings of white Indians, and even an encounter with a tribe of hostile ape men. Although considered a bit of his crackpot for his Theosophically inspired spiritual beliefs and his zeal in searching for the Lost City of Z, from what I've heard his mapping work was considered pretty accurate. I get the impression that he was genuinely trying to provide a truthful account of his experiences.

I couldn't recommend it enough if you have an interest in adventure stories, early 20th century exploration, or the just plain bizarre.

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 No.9478

File: 1460739755303.jpg (40.81 KB, 280x450, 28:45, 336248.jpg)

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 No.9530

File: 1461106909810.png (129.34 KB, 300x499, 300:499, ClipboardImage.png)

I like Pound's poetry a lot, but wow does he have high expectations of the reader sometimes. I guess that just means I'll have to make another pass at Cantos at some point.

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 No.9533

>>8441

Just finished The Chosen by Potok

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 No.9541

>>9533

The Ego and His Own. Did someone hold a gun to Stirners face and said:

>DON'T get to the point!

Because really, he could've gotten to the point much earlier.

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 No.9549

File: 1461356960778.jpg (88.03 KB, 276x438, 46:73, AtD.jpg)

Home

To a new and a shiny place

Make our bed and we'll say our grace

Freedom's light burning warm

Freedom's light burning warm

Neil Diamond, America

Pynchon's epic tale ringing in, or a wringing out of, what was the final years of the nineteenth century.

The American ship of state sails across the sky, ever expanding. Balloon boys manning her as throwbacks to some idealized adventure of Horatio Alger. High-teching their meandering ways invisibly, mostly. Their escapades intangible and unknown to the ground bound regulars below – save as reported through the imaginative titles of various adventure books. That, and the rumors of battles misfought with their mirror image: masonry dumping Imperial Russians more intent on the polite after battle accusatory chat. Who bombed or torpedoed what archway, inadvertently? Yes, yes, a quiet agreement to call it a whoops, live and let live. Fly on. Let the land-bound natives ponder and leave the lawyers no wiser.

All of which is in contrast to the professionalized, immense, and far more intense battles between the contenders of Europe at large. Battles fought at, more-so fought under, the peripheries of Empire. A subdesertine visage of destruction presaging the full dress regimented catastrophe to come (and best viewed from above).

See the lives of those inheritors to cowboy tradition chasing lusty cowgirls to the ends of the wild west, while an Asmimovian net of Cartesian legal constraint lays down a mortgaged finale to their land. We even follow the occasional wayward travails of a cowboy turned mathematician. All pursue their means and meanings across the Americas, across Europe, with a dodge through Asia. Plenty of work to be had in their varied part time stints between the pursuit of justice as anarchist assassins. They swim through a world corrupted via commerce, hunting and hunted by the human condensers of its universal carrier wave, money.

The characters skip across scenes of a world hacking its way toward a final conquest of photonic nature. It is a search for the keys to the mixing of time and reanimation, of splitting as creation, new forms of communication, and weapons; the fears of each potential discovery and technological application holding in silhouette the characters, places, history, and the readers themselves.

Of our novelists, a claim to the artistic title of America's biographer is held firmly by another, a writer of an earlier generation. Yet the title of America's encyclopedist remains unclaimed. To Pynchon the glory of such is deserved.

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 No.9564

File: 1461440613136.jpg (8.43 KB, 170x170, 1:1, odon-von-horvath-istentele….jpg)

Jugend Ohne Gott from Ödön von Horváth

I liked it. On the first level, it's a criticism of the Nazis, where everything is in contrast with Ancient Rome. On another level it's about a couple of young boys, and their lives. On the thrid level it's about "love", and secrets and violence. It's also a nice "detective story" and it's very short. I've finished it in like 4 hours

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 No.9567

>>9564

Got a link?

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 No.9570

File: 1461512666180-0.jpg (40.7 KB, 300x400, 3:4, Operator of yore.jpg)

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Read 'Further and further away' some time ago, it was nice but pushes absolute defeat on the character by the end. The description of the mustard gas made me realize that the Yellow Devil in Megaman is probably an allusion to it.

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 No.9588

File: 1461643446382.jpg (32.59 KB, 300x440, 15:22, therifles.jpg)

So I think a while ago (not sure how long, maybe lewe had a thread about Karl Knausgaard where William Vollmann's name was mentioned (I think an anon called him 'the most interesting writer today'). Anyway, it took me this long to finally read one of his books, but it was excellent. 'The Rifles' is a strange (I think amazon calls it 'hallucinatory') story about Sir John Franklin, an explorer in the 1840s looking for the Northwest Passage who is also Subzero, a tourist visiting the Canadian islands during the 1990s (and who also might be one of the characters in an Inuit myth). Its a weird and wonderful story (if a story that ends with cannibalism and the destruction of the Inuit can be called wonderful).

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 No.9596

File: 1461689027787.jpg (16.23 KB, 292x425, 292:425, snap-cover-small.jpg)

I read Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

The whole thing is overall a mixed bag but very good for a fanfiction.

Pros:

- A delight to every Frodoposter ( >>9594 ), Harry thinks of a lot of things his magic can accomplish that you wouldn't see in other stories of this type

- Very funny in the first few chapters

- Great quotes, both for humor and inspiration

- Contains some good Humanity Fuck Yeah

- Protagonist is smart, at least in some respects

- Hermione Granger is a qt

- Fun and creative action sequences

- Mostly real science instead of technobabble

Neutral:

- Alternative Universe story, there is no single point of departure from the originals but a bunch of changes in setting, characters and worldbuilding

- Tends to bash the originals for their sometimes illogical events, which some appreciate and some find annoying

Cons:

- You can often feel the authors opinions projected through his characters, especially a certain disgust towards normal humans

- sometimes preachy

- Harry can be annoying

- Every explanation has at least a paragraph about some scientific subject, study or experiment, often rather unrelated to the actual events

- Harry is pretty Marty Stu

- Neither protagonist nor other characters act anywhere near 11 year old

- Tons of references, mostly to anime and always very unsubtle

- Author forgets about a few plot devices along the way

- Ending feels rushed

- Certain characters feel like cardboard cutouts

All in all, I can recommend it, but it's not without it's flaws.

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 No.9597

>>9567

I've read it in physical form

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 No.9600

File: 1461697809593.jpg (215.43 KB, 730x1095, 2:3, Megastructures: Science an….jpg)

A speculative survey of future technological developments in the field of construction.

If you are an active consumer of modern SciFi RPG source books, or addicted to study of encyclopedic world building websites, such as Orions's Arm, this might not be of much use to you. For others, Lucas provides an excellent guide to an array of ideas of things to come. Recommended for someone looking for suggestions of what to use as an unusual setting, scene, or backdrop to their own story.

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 No.9706

>>9564

Subtlety is not always lacking from the denizens of /pol/, nor can it be said they are lacking in member who are well read. The most brilliant of trolls are those who one can never be sure of …

For unrelated reasons I have an interest in Austro-Hungarian authors. Your review prompted a quick search, and the discovery of Odon Von Horvath as one such of great potential. Fortunately, Horvath has been translated to English and I was able to track down a copy of the translated work, which falls under another … fishy … name. And so, I dove in.

Chapter one …

Yo! Dude. Four to the floor from the chapter title alone.

Horvfath's work was not intended to be interpreted in this manner, but it's like a survey of English chan culture from more than forty years before the Internet itself came on the scene. It's got touches of stormfronting /pol/, /rk9/, pedobear philosophizing, and more. It's hard not to laugh one's way through many a chapter in a vertigo of comparison.

Besides that though, it's an excellently written allegorical, and all the rest as with your review.

A more proper review of the English translation will be forthcoming. Until then, this has to be said: Horvath's novel, as an amusingly philosophic futuristic retrospective of modern online life, should be a cornerstone of every channer's library shelf.

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 No.9734

>>9706

the hell does that even…

Look, you said you're interested in Austro-Hungary and I'm reading Țiganiada, which could be related to what you're looking for. Now I think I understand the gist of it. If you want a summary when I'm done I could write one.

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 No.9735

File: 1462910152893.jpeg (381.76 KB, 620x877, 620:877, All Tomorrows.jpeg)

Just read pic related. It's a weird book, but I liked it. It's got a nice, slightly philosophical narrative, and somehow manages to have an emotional impact despite reading like a history textbook. If you want to read some truly grand sci-fi, I can only recommend it.

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 No.9743

File: 1463039923446-0.jpg (35.47 KB, 322x499, 322:499, 51IR4Ird5LL._SX320_BO1,204….jpg)

File: 1463039923446-1.jpg (27.69 KB, 324x499, 324:499, 41fftLhrdBL._SX322_BO1,204….jpg)

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Three books:

War of the Jewels by Christopher Tolkien

Euripdes I & II.

Medea and Phaedra are cunts. That is all.

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 No.9745

>>9743

>>9743

>Medea and Phaedra are cunts

indeed.

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 No.9817

File: 1463698300794.jpg (22.28 KB, 237x346, 237:346, TAotF.jpg)

A Miltonian take on the fall from paradise, redux. Set in the modern and deeply fallen world, with players and allies rearranged in lockstep with the times.

Satan passes the time as a teacher incautiously preparing for his secular pension. He promotes his view of the humanity inherent in what others see as animals, for which he is taken to task, and put under watch for such blaspheme.

Chagrined, he must lead his rebellious charges through their welcomed worship of the state, and guard the garden from the excluded fallen while perversely observing others in their own assigned watches for just the same. A detour through a town of hate, of hell, fails to raise his spirits. Nor does an occasional bender with his odd drinking companions offer much solace. JC is one, one of the few referred to directly by a name, and an alias at that. Yes, this aliased fisher of men is now slumming around with death and sin as companions. Having committed an affair of fundamental transgression against the modernized rules of the world, his ministry is constrained to the down and out crowd. Another drinking session with a priest rounds out our teacher's view of Christianity today, painting a picture of the church in exclusive service to the social hierarchy.

Adam and Eve make their appearance. Here Eve never needed to be enticed to knowledge, having it forced on her long before, curtsy of the world itself. Adam is Adam, ready made to be led astray, though a few generations removed from and farther down the scale of alphabetical order.

A murder is committed, and our Father of Lies teacher is tasked with God to tell the truth. Justice miscarries in spite, the teacher is thrown from paradise, and must mount a fishing expedition of his own for the perpetrator.

And as seen in Paradise Lost, in the end his triumph is transformed to a mere sojourn among the animals, though this time as a guest of the church.

Horvath's work is a short and fast read. Both for his magnificently modernized allegorical storytelling, and what may humorously flash with chan goers as something of an echo of our own memes, this comes highly recommended.

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 No.9824

>>9817

i guess reading paradise lost is advised…

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 No.9825

>>9824

not my cup of tea, though…

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 No.9828

File: 1463782520943.jpg (Spoiler Image, 59.73 KB, 401x597, 401:597, twilight.jpg)

:^)

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 No.9842

File: 1463797077592.png (322.66 KB, 575x888, 575:888, TBM.png)

A political thriller of a play overlaying a civics lesson in the American primary system.

There are several versions of this play. This review refers to (and suggests for reading) the revised edition produced by the Center Theater Group in 1987. Comparison to the original produced in 1960 is a bit spooky. Names dropped and references made have changed, being updated to a better fit. The dialog is a bit more pithy, and the characters feel more real in losing most of Vidal's parenthetic obsession. The essence of both plays remains exactly the same.

William Russell and Joseph Cantwell vie for the nomination clinching endorsement of the ex-president and elder statesman Authur Hockstader. Russell and Cantwell assume Hockstader will support the other, both are forced to sidestep Authur though the use of an ultimate weapon. For his part, Hockstader serves as a purveyor of wisdom, and especially as a living expression of the all too human motivations to power. He is an aficionado of the means, by any means, and is forced to vacillate between. The poetry of power is his art, and his ultimate lesson answers the question, "Which is more important, the means or the end?" Such a question is not even wrong, masking as it does a third answer most people fail to glean. Authur is disgusted with the fundamental flaws of both candidates, his judgment is harsh. His endorsement withheld to the very end, appearing again in service to the theme of another option.

Yet, the convention has a life of its own and, like life, will not wait for such plodding maneuvering before moving on. Russell and Cantwell continue to grapple their way through to the climax. In the end we are left with truism, "to the victor the spoils," while knowing full well that the victory belongs to ….

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 No.9848

File: 1463842390428.png (160.37 KB, 242x371, 242:371, paris.png)

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 No.9850

>>9824

>>9825

>i guess reading paradise lost is advised…

Well, it's not an absolute.

I'm sure a proper literary track type would tear my interpretation apart. Getting a zinger write up from left field is all part of the fun. Nobody wants to read redundant shit carbon copied over from Goodreads.

Paradise Lost is no prerequisite for understanding Horvath's novel. It will help you to see what I'm flashing on and where I'm coming from. At it's heart it's just a murder mystery with religious overtones and a touch of philosophy. Call it in as a sighting of Graham Greene sneaking past under an Austrian hat.

As a short and fast read it's worth a look. I've not seen a digital copy anywhere, but rumor has it some yo ho ho type further down the line is working on fixing that. When I'm made aware the deed is done and uploaded I'll give a shout out here. Then y'all has no excuse not to.

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 No.9866

File: 1464024297281.jpg (44.66 KB, 318x397, 318:397, Fellowship of the Stars.jpg)

When one knows thee,

Then alien there is none,

Then no door is shut.

~Rabindranath Tagore

1970s era science fiction in a collection of nine short stories centering around themes of friendship, or understanding, or a bit of both, between humans and aliens.

Of the nine stories, these three stand out:

1. Dream Done Green by Alan Dean Foster. What is the point to being a sentient equine poet?

2. The Stones Have Names by Mildred Downey Broxon. Sympathetically incompetent planetary governor befriends an up an coming liaison for the locals. Both commiserate in a mutual plight of finding their leadership constrained through the willfully shortsighted.

3. What Friends Are For by John Brunner. Where parenting fails, there is left the profession of last resort.

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 No.9873

>>9866

>What is the point to being a sentient equine poet?

do you even gulliver?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houyhnhnm

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 No.9883

File: 1464205382741.jpg (21.92 KB, 314x475, 314:475, Cinder.jpg)

A traditional fairytale rewoven into a cyberpunk Gothic romance.

Linh Cinder is held to a life of working her way though indentured servitude in the dense ghetto of New Beijing. Her reputation as an android mechanic and general technology tinkerer holds her in good stead with the owner she supports, and her family of sorts.

A charming new client makes his appearance, requesting she repair his bricked robotic servant. This straightforward task launches her into a swirling cascade of interrelated events. From a prince to the plague, a candy orange car, unethical medical experiments, the spectacular – and vile – queen of warmongering monsters on the moon, and her own plans of escape.

Oh, and between all this she finds the time to crash the coronation ball in classic style – one worthy of Hunter S. Thompson.

The story is plot heavy to conform to its inspirational roots. Yet, Marissa Meyer adds enough twists and surprises to keep her modernized tale fresh.

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 No.9886

File: 1464226915238.jpg (34.32 KB, 280x400, 7:10, bolano.jpg)

>>8441

on the last pages,

before this was the right stuff by wolfe

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 No.9904

>>9886

What'd you think bro? I've read a couple of Bolano's by now, but I haven't tackled 2666 or Savage Detectives.

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 No.9910

File: 1464454030004.jpg (17.14 KB, 318x473, 318:473, MASH.jpg)

The original novel from which both the film and the hit TV series were derived.

Here is the collected stories of a trio of surgeons managing their army medical careers through a method of pushing everyone's buttons, and undermining all forms of regular army command hierarchy.

In comparison with the TV series, the tone is far more mean spirited, and far less politically correct. The comedy is all there, with a better and more realistic feel. The protagonists trash their hapless opponents in short order, and with finality. None serve as worthy foils.

The most interesting character to echo though later adaptions would be the dentist, Captain Walter Waldowski. His depiction in the novel belies the somber interpretations of the series iconic theme song: Suicide is Painless. Not surprising, as the lighthearted aspect of this musical creation failed to transfer over from the film as well.

With the novel as the exemplar, the film is a decent adaption, and the series something else again.

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 No.10000

File: 1465034006498.jpg (160.62 KB, 500x530, 50:53, 1434817861099-1.jpg)

Țiganiada, epic based on the war betweed Vlad and Mehmed. Breddy gud. It has footnotes for words and concepts the reader might not know about (some of which were made up) and it acknowledges that, to paraphrase, subjugated people are not worse off because of how the world changed since the time of heroics until today (early 1800s), but that their freedom is for themselves to attain.

Vlad GET

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 No.10002

File: 1465041301805.jpg (93.86 KB, 680x544, 5:4, really dubs.jpg)

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 No.10003

>>10000

i've been wanting to read a non fiction book about vlad for a very long time now. from the little i've seen, it would seem that what actually happened is far more interesting than any fiction spawned from it afterwards.

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 No.10007

File: 1465049943655.jpg (62.9 KB, 700x420, 5:3, check-these-quads.jpg)

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 No.10011

File: 1465083427141-0.jpg (27.96 KB, 248x346, 124:173, 51JhYEqwZ7L._SY344_BO1,204….jpg)

File: 1465083427142-1.png (476.08 KB, 463x708, 463:708, Silence3.png)

the last audiobook (which is how i consume 95% of my books) i listened to was silence of the lambs, which i finished this morning. it needs no introduction but my review is that i love it. the characters are as 3 dimensional as you could want, hannibal lecter is creepy as hell, its atmospheric and grimy, the story is engaging.

if you mean the last book i actually read with my eyes, that would be welcome to the NHK. easily one of the most genuine story and characters i've ever known, there is not a single letter in it that feels artificial. the author wrote it from straight from the heart with no filter, and it shows. if you've ever been through a period of loneliness and depression in your life then it will get under your skin. the most meaningful thing i can say about it is that i read it all in one go, finished it at 4 AM, put the book away, and cried myself to sleep.

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 No.10131

File: 1465770442916.jpg (31.45 KB, 346x499, 346:499, The Missolonghi Manuscript.jpg)

"You know, you seem to be leading a rock star life, and if you were Keith Richards or Mick Jagger, no one would bat an eyelid."

"Right."

~An interview with Charlie Sheen.

Or even, one might say George Gordon Byron, better known as Lord Byron. Byron serves as an exemplar of modern wild celebrity and fame. He has inspired a number of pseudo-biographic novels, and outright fantasies with his character featured as the star.

Facing the depressing prospects of slumping literary fame, Frederick Prokosch tried his hand at the tradition of Byronic reenactment. The reception of this novel helped stabilize his career. Sadly, what recognition he received was not to last, with Prokosch later resorting to the crudities of self forgery for financial gain. That is tale for another time; here, his ability to forge Byron's poetic ghost made for one of his best works.

The writing is presented as a rediscovery of copies of copies of Byron's last three diary notebooks. Prokosch takes us though a tour of Byron's past in a series of flashback scenes rushing toward the future, each paired with a diary entry in the present day as he winds his way to destiny at Missolonghi, Greece. The effect is one of sitting down with a chatty Byron reminiscing of his life, his triumphs and tragedies, in between bitching about his current state of affairs in search of battle and glory at the expense of the Ottoman Empire. Here is found a final adventure as the last great surge of irresponsible freedom is recast into virtue, and of irrepressible youth racing ahead of the seething consequences of a life inoculated with vice.

Consequences both unsurprising and expected, that is to say, such was life in a pre-antibiotic age.

Lady Caroline Lamb's epic epithet phrase and the coining of the term Byromania highlight his seductive allure. Physicality aside, Prokosch shows Byron taking stabs at philosophy and touching on religion to seek deeper meanings in life. Of claiming him as simply being a study in devilish temptation, Byron may have said in response: "Say not it was Adam whom the Devil first tempted. Say the Devil fell to Adam first, instead."

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 No.10135

>>10131

am i the only one that found byron's life and work uninteresting?

am i missing something?

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 No.10137

File: 1465853689203.jpg (18.77 KB, 239x346, 239:346, 51-fhlPUz4L._SY344_BO1,204….jpg)

Earth Abides.

It was a post-apocalyptic book written in the 50s.

The story of a loner that survives after what is assumed to be a plague. He travels across the country to find nothing till he settle back in his home town. He meets a woman and a few others and tries to rebuild civilization.

I really enjoyed it. If you're into post-apocalyptic stories, you should read it. Not to go off topic, but is The Road worth reading? I've never seen the movie, so I don't know anything about it.

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 No.10138

>>10137

i have no idea about the book but the movie was shit. it was just

>muh grimdark edgy cannibals

>DUDE REALISM LMAO

>DUDE MY SON IS GOD LMAO

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 No.10139

>>10138

oh and by

>DUDE MY SON IS GOD LMAO

i dont mean its some sci fi shit where his son has superpowers, its just some dumb shit that he says. idk i was expecting american road warrior (because thats how they marketed it) and was just supremely disappointing.

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 No.10140

File: 1465881732251.jpg (22.2 KB, 262x228, 131:114, 1300703904282.jpg)

>>10011

>welcome to the NHK

Interesting. 2002 - I guess it would have been one of the first novels dealing with/documenting/acknowledging hikikomori

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 No.10142

>>10011 & >>10140

sry4dblpst

Interestingly, the author IS hikikomori

>In a second Afterword, dated April 2005, Takimoto admitted that he had not written "a single new story" since N.H.K. and that he was "reduced to a NEET, … living as a parasite on the royalties from this book." He stated that he felt "completely unable to write" and "incapacitated."

Srsly what is wrong with Japan?

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 No.10145

William Graham Sumner, "What Social Classes owe each other". I think the book is particularly interesting to fellow ancaps or other libertarians. It embraces social and economic inequality and straight-up advocates the accumulation of capital, something many ancaps, despite the name, are reluctant of. In fact, nowadays, some of them seem to be hostile or at least skeptical of the concept. Sumner, not so much.

Another thing that makes this book interesting is that by the time it was written, there were no ancap-extremists around by which the author could measure whether he was "completely" free market or just "mostly". Nope, he saw himself as the real deal, he saw no need to go all the way towards abolishing the state nor to justify him not going all this way, as this option was simply not thought of at the time.

If you're not an ancap, you can still enjoy the book. It's a lot like Ayn Rand, but in more coherent and less batshit-crazy.

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 No.10153

File: 1465942042982.jpg (32.03 KB, 344x404, 86:101, 1449090006714.jpg)

>>10145

>lolbergs

>ancaps

>not batshit crazy

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 No.10155

>>10011

what version of the silence of the lambs is that?

maybe an ISBN?

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 No.10167

File: 1466033955606.jpg (142.07 KB, 650x822, 325:411, warbeast.jpg)

I haven't played Warhammer Fantasy in years, so while I heard about the Age of Sigmar shift I didn't have any huge reaction to it other that "Look at Games Workshop making dumb rules." Anyway, one of the things I did not imagine is that by virtue of Sigmarines existing now, a bunch of the novels are going to be about Sigmarines, and they're going to feel a lot like Space Marine stories. It isn't that I hate Space Marines, but it goes change the interesting balance that the novels had. In Warhammer Fantasy novels the humans and weak and vulnerable and always on the edge of annihilation whereas in 40k the humans are still sort of like that, but now they have the tools to deal with those problems. And for better or worse writing stories about Sigmarines changes that dynamic.

So while I thought Warbeast was alright (kind of par for the course as far as Warhammer novels go), I am a little sad that it feels so 40k.

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 No.10170

>>10167

If I read you correctly your preference is for fantasy, while also being familiar with both sides of the franchise. If you do not mind expressing an opinion or two I would like to hear them.

1. What is the single best stand alone novel from the fantasy franchise?

2. From the other side, what is the single best 40k space marine stand alone novel?

3. GW prefers to push out series (trilogies, etc) over single novels. What do you think is the best series in each case?

Although these questions are directed at you, if anyone else on the board cares to chime in please do so.

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 No.10242

>>10170

So, I'll preface this with saying that I haven't read that many Warhammer books, so there are probably some others I don't know about that are worth reading, and between not reading that many and GW really liking the series setup, I don't know a lot of stand alone novels.

Fantasy-wise, I remember quite enjoying The Burning Shore by Robert Earl. Its basically an age of exploration adventure story where the natives are the lizardmen and can actually fight back. For a series, I thought Steven Savile's Vampire Counts trilogy was pretty fun. The two principal characters that he uses to follow the story are interesting and he brings in more than a few extra characters that are well integrated. Also the first book has a wonderfully self aware moment that basically goes "You know how world-conquering works, so let's jump 40 years ahead to when the end is in sight." Its clever in a way that doesn't detract from the impact of the story. And if you already like Warhammer, Graham McNeill's Sigmar series isn't perfect (I think the first book is very predictable, but the next two are much better) but it is pretty fun and only Chaos-loving heretics don't like Sigmar.

For 40k, I'm probably even worse equipped. There's an Adeptus Titanicus stand alone novel that had a fairly predictable plot but also had a couple of great scenes with Titans, so that was fun. Also I remember thinking that the 2nd book of Graham McNeill's Ultramarines series, despite focusing on the only dilemma the Ultramarines ever face (to follow the Codex or not follow the Codex), did a great job of integrating the core character's story with the larger battle. Sorry I couldn't be more help, but if I read some good Warhammer novels I'll put them in the thread.

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 No.10247

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Strange Airplanes by Walter G. Scott

The guy is Hungarian, and he took up this better sounding name, but still, there's a part in the book where he refers to Hungary as his home country, which is a mistake. If I want to look like a British/American person, I won't refer to my real home country like that.

Also he added some unprofessional comments in some cases, which really confuses the reader, because the rest of the texts sound like coming from an expert.

The publisher does a really low quality job with these books - there's at least 200 different types of them, all of them around 200 pages. The text obviously shows that it was written around 2009, but the copyright information states that it was published in 2015 - which is a reprint, probably, but they didn't bothered with showing the date of the original publication or saying "Second Edition". Of course it's possible that the manuscript waited like 5 or 6 years to be published, but that made it outdated.

The most frustrating thing about these little reading materials though is that the authors never refer to any kind of source, and these are sort of monographies, about "scientific" or "historical" research, and if you want to read further, they don't give you any starting points.

But at least they are very cheap, you can get one for less than 2 USD.

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 No.10258

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I (tried) reading Thomas Pynchon's Vineland, until I got lost around 65 pages in and could barely understand what the fuck was going on despite it being his 'easiest to read' book.

I think I might be retarded.

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 No.10270

File: 1466534316682.jpeg (7.08 KB, 247x300, 247:300, Nathaniel.jpeg)

Yankee Stargazer, the life of Nathaniel Bowditch

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015035469678

The book did well explaining the world Bowditch grew up in, but not what exactly he worked on or why it was important.

>>10003

It's not really about Vlad, much of it is plain comedy with references to other epics and questions of what to do with freedom once acquired.

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 No.10276

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>>10258

>I think I might be retarded.

I think that makes 90% of the world retarded, bruv

Post-modernist literature really does ooze the definition of pretentiousness. Y'know, "I understood it, you didn't, that makes me a better human being, even though I am just faking it"

I've never read his stuff, because I have enough trouble with "See Spot Run"

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 No.10342

>>10258

Lot 49 is like any other mystery, just with a dumb solution and lolrandum >jokes. I don't see what the deal about it is.

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 No.10355

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I figure most of the anons here probably already know about Name of the Rose, and if I remember from the thread we had abut Eco at least one anon has already read some of his stuff. Anyway if you haven't read it, I heartily recommend it to just about anyone (except that anon who doesn't like philosophy in his novels).

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 No.10391

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There's gold in them there natzis!

Tunisia, May, 1969. As a high level foreign service functionary dutifully minding the shop relinquished by the late, great, French overseas empire, George Russell finds himself burdened with the additional honor of overseeing a group of young exchange interns. For him it is an additional drain on his meager resources, of time lost that was better spent in pursuit of quazi-westernized wayward Bedouin women. Sharon Hoyt becomes his biggest problem of this group, as a fully modern westernized girl, a teacher, and an "innocently" serious devotee of free love. Keeping her safely idle proves to be an impossibility, and George must hold his peace with her appointment to teach a very select group of local boys. The remainder of Sharon's attention is taken up with an amiably shady Prussian gentleman – merely a dabbler in archaeology, a stereotyped facade of a Jewish phosphate-jobber working undercover to help his brethren safely emigrate, and the Arabic Chief of Police driven mad by her free loving ways.

At first, the story moves toward the promise of an Indiana Jones treasure hunt as Sharon is introduced to the local legend of the lost treasury of the the Africa Corps. Gifted a hagiography of Rommel to whet her appetite, she discovers a misplaced and forgotten photograph between the pages. She thinks of it as evidence supporting the legend, but to those with sharper eyes the photo clearly shows a political officer overseeing Rommel's fidelity. The photo identifies that officer as a member of the Schutzstaffel, as also a particularly enthusiastic supporter of the final solution (even among that select group), and that he is currently living with them – and living well – in Tunisia.

An attempt should be made, quickly and quietly, to bring him to justice. Yet, the world is wholly focused on the current round of Egypt's and Israel's trading of blows. The phosphate salesman can not wait to hear back from Tel Aviv, so he and his team choose to go it alone. Their effort succeeds in part, while also disrupting what appears to be a very real search for the gold. All too late the survivors learn the legend is only the means to bring about a brutal end, an ending made not from some cinematic treasure running adventure but, instead, what will be a battlefield shaped from the tools of social change smuggled in.

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 No.10402

File: 1467159387247.jpg (41.56 KB, 311x475, 311:475, PotE.jpg)

>>8441

I await my evisceration.

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 No.10405

>>10402

>evisceration

why?

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 No.10407

>>10342

I'm not really talking about Crying of Lot 59 though, but about a novel some of his 'fanatical' followers consider to be his worst book.

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 No.10409

>>10405

I thought /lit/ thought everything was for plebs unless it was hopelessly obscure and obtuse so I was waiting for everyone to say that my latest book was trash.

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 No.10410

>>10409

You are describing halfchan /lit/.

We do not need elitism, we need variety.

Graphic novels, fan-fiction, genera trash and pulp, furry fiction, 40k novels, etc. We have discussed all these, plus the more traditional literary works. If you need to go patrician, stick with halfchan. We should be more middlebrow, with forays above and below.

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 No.10416

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>>10410

I don't remember discussing graphic novels or fan fiction.

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 No.10417

>>10416

We had a thread or two on graphic novels, but they never really caught on. Fan fiction, not that I remember, but some writing tutorials dealt with it, particularly when it came to Mary Sues.

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 No.10419

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It'd be hard to give a summary for this book because it's part of a series, but basically shit just gets weirder in this installment

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 No.10425

>>10416

how is it?

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 No.10431

>>10417

>writing tutorials for dealing with established characters

Something doesn't add up.

>>10425

I must have missed much by reading a translation and knowing little of the period. There is more description than narration. The prince knows that for most of Sardinia, the world outside means nothing. He helps a few who are ambitious, but can do nothing for his family.

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 No.10432

>>10431

>Something doesn't add up.

How to keep an already established character consistent does warrant a writing tutorial, although that's not what the tutorials i had in mind were for. In the context of fan fiction, the main problem with Mary Sues is their relation with the rest of the characters, and that, too, warrants a tutorial.

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 No.10437

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>>10410

Sounds pretty reasonable, tbh.

Almost 'too' reasonable…

>40k novels

What d'ya'll think of the Horus Heresy then, or would it be faux pas to discuss it here?

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 No.10444

>>10437

i've only read most of the chiaphas cain series, death of antagonis,and xenos, of the eisenhorn series. i was expecting better from the latter to be honest.

does the series get better?

anyway, if you wanna talk about some of those, or about fluff in general, i'm here.

and i'm open to suggestions.

i must tell that for some reason i don't find horus heresy books very appealing.

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 No.10445

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>>10444

Eisenhorn definitely does, and it builds into Ravenor which is really good too, at least from a 40k perspective. Thing is, my taste is probably tainted because I generally like most of Dan Abnett's non-HH works because I love the universe of 40k but the vast majority of the fluff doesn't have any nuance to it. People say 'bolter-porn' and other autistic buzzwords from out of their shit forums, but there's a grain of truth in there.

For instance, you see a lot of space marines' battles novels where it's just designated heroes doing heroic shit and breaking internal consistency because space marines aren't allowed to lose. It's always fanfiction man vs gods and man wins because HFY-tier masturbatory fantasies. Dan Abnett's stories are always of man vs man, where half the time the other man represents the protagonists if they were from another place and/or time.

His Gaunt's Ghosts series is particularly great, to me at least, because of that, where in the later books, as they fight the Sons of Sek and the Blood Pacts, the Ghosts barely scrape by in their victories and learn more and more that the enemy is a lot like them, just on the darker side of the galaxy. A good example of that is when they learn from a captured enemy commander that calling them traitors is erroneous because they never were part of the Imperium in the first place.

And on the other end, as with Eisenhorn and Ravenor, you see sides of the Inquisition where the stories are like detective noir, or Call of Cthulu, hardboiled urban fantasy, or spy thrillers, instead of just Witch-Hunters kicking down doors and declaring Exterminatus over a single cult, or Grey Knights fighting all the daemons like a horrid knockoff of the DOOM novels (somehow).

I was hoping people would wanna discuss the HH though because I find the biggest issue with 40k's lore and discussion on places where it's more appropriate, like /tg/, are majority populated by people that think the Imperium's the good guys, are space marine fanboys, or like the Eldar unironically without knowing their faults. The HH turns that all on its head but no one ever discusses its specific missteps or the twists of its re-characterizations, instead it's either balk and fury about how the series is all bad all the time and its not worth dissecting or 'filthy traitor IDF go home.'

But whatever, I'm just bitching.

What did you like and dislike about Xenos?

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 No.10452

>>10445

> people that think the Imperium's the good guys

are they not?

and by this, i mean that all things considered even the most oppressive thing, sort of makes sense in a world where there are literal demons who want to eat your soul.

but keep in mind that i'm a guy whose second favourites are orks.

if anything someone has to explain me how are daemons and the nature of chaos supposed to be a secret to general population when there are places like cadia.

> The HH turns that all on its head but no one ever discusses its specific missteps or the twists of its re-characterizations, instead it's either balk and fury about how the series is all bad all the time and its not worth dissecting or 'filthy traitor IDF go home

which is why i don't find it appealing.

from what i've seen it has all the ingredients for being not that great, from multiple authors, or the fact that that kind of retconning hardly turns out good, in my experience.

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 No.10453

>>10445

plus, i'm more like a imperial guard novel kind of guy, where the sight of ONE chaos marine has people shitting in their pants, sort of what i think you were saying about abnett's novel.

and i will check gaunt's ghosts out, btw.

as for xenos, i didn't dislike it, i can't find any particular faults, it's pretty solid.

i guess i went in with maybe my expectation's too high, since i've heard everyone talking well about it.

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 No.10460

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>>10452

>>10453

>are they not?

They are in the books where they're the main characters, which is like 90% of them, so by that logic, I guess. But the thing is 40k is so grimdark that there are no real good guys. All the characters on the ground are basically slaves to those with power beyond whatever the book's main conflict is and those up top are usually irredeemably stupid or evil by any measure. Most space marines commit what we would consider atrocities in most other settings, and pretty much all the 'bad guys' are created by the 'good guys' making stupid decisions.

For instance, the Horus Heresy:

Literally all but two of the traitor primarchs turned because the Emperor or the other primarchs were complete fuckwits and of those two exceptions one was Alpharius Omegon, where we don't actually know really why because SECRETS, and Mortarion where it was because Calas Typhon fucked with their warp route and basically sent them through Nurgle's Plague Garden.

The biggest issue is, the overwhelming majority of the fluff is written from the perspective of Imperial Propagandists, and with the majority of players/fans being Space Marine fags or Imperial fans they don't push back against that and instead double down on the Imperial stories so it's just this vicious cycle.

>it has all the ingredients for being not that great

I wish you had read them because I'd really like to discuss this point. Not that I think you're wrong, it's just that a lot of people's issue is with how some authors seem to screw up what other authors had done beforehand, and yet, some of the most egregious stupidities in the fluff were from the best writers.

>i guess i went in with maybe my expectation's too high, since i've heard everyone talking well about it.

Eh, that's not your bad really. Xenos and the rest of the Eisenhorn series broke new ground as no real, subtle stories had been told about the day to day of the Inquisition or any other sector close to the Imperium's civilians and the stories from the series went on to shape the modern interpretation of those slices of life for this current incarnation of the universe, like a bigger and better Necromunda or something. They also really created the 'flavor' that Black Industries and FFG built Dark Heresy and the rest of their RPGs on.

It's just an issue of legacy. Like if you read Dune or Starship Troopers for the first time today, not from a thematic or symbolic angle, mind you, but the aesthetics and kinds of stories those books told are very run-of-the-mill these days, but at the time they were something that had never really been done and forged the archetype for many, many works after them.

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 No.10463

>>10460

>The biggest issue is, the overwhelming majority of the fluff is written from the perspective of Imperial Propagandists

i disagree on that. most of the fluff i've read is precisely about what an oppressive trainwreck the imperium is, how the munitorum and the administratum are bureaucratic nightmares, how commissars, inquisitors and what not have complete power of life and death over almost everyone, and they use it pretty arbitrarily.

it's just that…there is no real alternative.

it's not like daemons are the good guys, or that they want to "start the revolution" to benefit mankind.

even the ritualization and cultification of technology makes sense when there is a chaos god that preys on knowledge seekers.

i don't root for humies because they are the good guys, but because i can relate to them.

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 No.10464

>>10460

>Literally all but two of the traitor primarchs turned because the Emperor or the other primarchs were complete fuckwits and of those two exceptions one was Alpharius Omegon, where we don't actually know really why because SECRETS, and Mortarion where it was because Calas Typhon fucked with their warp route and basically sent them through Nurgle's Plague Garden.

i have no problems with that.

i don't know, i think i have the feeling that the prequels would turn out to be like the star wars prequels. fall from grace kind of story are not easy to write, especially when you write it retroactively. it's hard to make treason, if not something you would agree with, at least understandable.

and if this is a taste of the way they are changing the fluff, i'm not encouraged.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Ollanius_Pius

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 No.10465

>>10460

>Like if you read Dune or Starship Troopers for the first time today, not from a thematic or symbolic angle, mind you, but the aesthetics and kinds of stories those books told are very run-of-the-mill these days, but at the time they were something that had never really been done and forged the archetype for many, many works after them.

honestly, i've never read anything like starship troopers, since at times it looks more like an essay in politics and ethics rather than a novel, and dune, especially the later novels that become at time very very abstract and very very trippy.

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 No.10466

>>10465

btw, i started "one and only" yesterday. started pretty strong, i'm very much liking it so far.

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 No.10467

>>10466

*first and only

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 No.10505

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>>9743

The Peoples of Middle Earth by Christopher Tolkien

Euripides III-V

Almost done with the last one.

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 No.10507

File: 1468086778476.jpg (36.89 KB, 309x500, 309:500, starship-troopers-cover.jpg)

For the fourth time.

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 No.10510

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I've read two books over the past couple of days: A Search for the King by Gore Vidal and The Ice Shirt by William Vollmann. If I remember correctly Vidal's novel was recommended here some time ago. I enjoyed it, although I expected something a little different, because the only other Vidal I've read was Creation. Both are historical fiction (to some degree), but it turns out that A Search for the King is essentially an adventure novel set in the period of King Richard the Lionhearted at the end of the 12th century (for comparison, Creation is more like a travelogue and a depiction of life during the 6th and 5th centuries BCE, almost like a retelling of Herodotus). Anyway it was pretty fun, although unfortunate for A Search for the King's sake that I read Eco's Name of the Rose earlier this summer and Vollmann's The Ice Shirt just before. As for The Ice Shirt itself, I have nothing but good things to say about it. I loved Vollmann's The Rifles when I read it a few months ago and I feel the same way about this one. I heartily recommend it to anyone who things they might enjoy a weird (but excellent) history/myth hybrid about the Norse settlement of Vinland (although the anons who don't like philosophy and/or significant ambiguity in their novels might want to stay away).

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 No.10511

>>10507

what makes go back to it?

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 No.10534

>>10511

Modern relevancy.

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 No.10858

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This (A Perfect Vacuum by Stanislaw Lem) is an ultimately disappointing collection of book reviews for books that don't exist. There are three principal reasons that the book is disappointing. The first is that like much average to mediocre satire the book comes to exemplify many of the flaws in similar literature that it wishes to condemn. Rather than a beautiful denouncement of postmodern self-indulgence, the book becomes another self-indulgent postmodern work making all the generic shortcuts that bring those flaws about. The second cause of disappointment is that Lem clearly owes a major debt of Borges, but his stories aren't nearly as good. A number of the stories even cover very similar ideas to other, better Borges stories, and one wonders why anyone would read "Being Inc." when "The Lottery of Babylon" exists. Finally the greatest disappointment is that some of the story ideas would probably work pretty well, and it seems obvious that Lem could have written a better book by turning one of those ideas into a full novel rather than writing "A Perfect Vacuum."

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 No.10871

>>10858

Stanislaw (((Lem)))

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 No.10893

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Made out of three stories:

The first one, Road to Charing Cross, is boring except for the beginning, final battle, and a few moments Flashman takes the initiative. The other two have him mostly in control as he outsmarts his enemies: easily, in the second, barely, in the third.

The beginnings are well-written, and so is the book in general, but the plots don't always make sense.

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 No.10897

>>9320

It just makes your leg feel uncomfortable. The point is you chastise your body in order to subjugate it to your will instead of letting your senses lead you around like an animal.

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 No.10898

>>9345

>King James Bible

>Not Douay Rheims or Ignatius Bible

Are you a heretic friend?

I would actually reading some exegesis and learning about the culture and time periods of each individual era in the Bible before you read it because it makes more sense.

culture ie Turn the other cheek has nothing to do with violence but in the culture during Jesus' time, a slap in the face wasn't aggression, but saying that you're above them and they (the person being slapped) is the equivalent of a slave

exegesis ie The Virgin Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant. The Ark of the Covenant that Moses constructed contained the tablets of God's Commandmentsl, manna (bread from heaven), and the staff of Aaron (Aaron's staff flowered in a miracle showing that the Tribe of Levi would be the tribe for the priesthood)

Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant contained Jesus Christ, whom is the Word of God made flesh (John 1:1-14), Jesus is the bread of life come down from heaven, and is the true and eternal high priest of the Christian religion

When the Ark of the Covenant was in the Judean Hill country during King David's time and was being moved to Jerusalm, David dressed as a priest danced and leapt before the Ark, David asks, "How can the ark of the Lord come to me?" (2 Sam. 6:9), the Ark had been in the hill country for 3 months

Mary went to visit her relative, Elizabeth, in the Judean hill country while she was pregnant with Christ, and Elizabeth pregnant with John the Baptist. John, of priestly lineage, leaps within Elizabeth's womb when Mary arrives, like how David leapt before the Ark, Elizabeth asks, "Why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Luke 1:43), and Mary remained in the house of Elizabeth for 3 months.

That's not something you'd catch on a casual reading.

t. Catholic

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 No.10911

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The Fault of our stars, by John Green. Wanted to read it because I enjoy Crash Course Literature.

Is about two cancer patients who fall in love at first sight, then go to Europe to find some ass writer who wrote a story without ending.

It was easy literature, and I'm poor as fuck and my nephew had it, so don't judge me too hard homies. I did enjoy reading it, so it wasn't that painful to read, but is nothing special.

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 No.10912

>>10911

I mean my niece. Fuck.

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 No.10922

File: 1471910144772.jpg (20.91 KB, 220x331, 220:331, RobertMPirsig_Lila.jpg)

Lila: An inquiry into morals by Robert M. Pirsig. Its a philosophy book presented in the form of a journey and sequel to a similar book from the same author. The author sails on a boat from Kingston to Florida in the Hudson river with his traveling companion - a girl named Lila. He gives his thoughts on his experience and he tries to lay out the foundations of a Metaphisics of Quality to make morals and value judgements easier to understand.

Personally, I think his analysis and writing style is superb, but the theory he lays out feels lacking, understandably as creating a metaphysics is a huge task.

Also his social skills are abysmal and thats coming from me posting on an imageboard, and often you will cringe at his interactions with his girl companion.

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 No.10936

>>10911

Now, I haven't read that book, but I have seen the film. When I was forced to watch it (was at my best friend's house and his gf insisted that this shit get put on), I felt as if the author of the book was self-inserting as the author that the cancer couple were trying to meet. Furthermore, I felt that the entire story was a critique on young women's fiction, and how most of it is trite nonsense.

Since that book is really not up my alley, I'm probably not going to read it. However, if my dissection of the story's themes are correct, I'd really enjoy reading a book that practically insults its' target audience. So, did you get my impression from that book, or am I just reading way too far into this?

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 No.10939

File: 1472093110443.png (386.78 KB, 900x900, 1:1, 1469453191975.png)

>>10936

> I felt that the entire story was a critique on young women's fiction, and how most of it is trite nonsense.

Shit. That sounds cool. My fat feminist cousin owns this book. I might have to pay her a visit now.

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 No.10940

>>10939

Also, all of this shit fits together because of this: why would someone write a book where the author criticizes a fictional author for writing a book without an ending, when the author writes a book without an ending in the very same book?

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 No.10942

>>10940

Maybe it's a cry for help. John Green just churns out YA fiction with little substance. He wants people to realize that he's a bad author

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 No.10943

>>10936

That's only possible if Green thought that the readers of women's literature don't know it's nonsense. Otherwise why point out the obvious?

Maybe he's doing what he did previously without understanding what the audience likes about it. Maybe he didn't mean anything beyond the simplest interpretation.

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 No.10945

File: ebb12a08f2eb6d6⋯.jpeg (50.69 KB, 948x1462, 474:731, things_fall_apart.jpeg)

So is this book considered a classic just because it was the only half-competent African novel of its time? Because I did not care for it.

Half the book is a series of unconnected episodes that go nowhere. I get that the author was trying to humanize tribal culture, but he could at least have worked the "tribal life" episodes into the plot and used them as an opportunity to develop the characters more deeply, as opposed to dumping them on the reader one after another and then, halfway through the novel, switching to the actual conflict of the book. The prose is so plain and the characters are so underdeveloped that they do little to make the book interesting.

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 No.10947

File: 5515604edb2c60c⋯.jpg (22.27 KB, 291x450, 97:150, dhalgren_s.r.d.jpg)

An exploration of a mind as a city, and of an authorial journey through the burning process of pure written creation. The creator's tour of the war Art can be.

Delany's own collection of writing advice, About Writing: Seven Essays, Four Letters, & Five Interviews, is not intended to be a guide to dhalgren. It works well though as an adjunct, an extended preface that highlights the interplay between literary theory, and application.

What of the plot?

Our unnamed (or unnameable, as they often are) narrator arrives in a city known as Bellona. A city made of urban landscapes ever changing, displaced in both space and time, which also maintains a bizarre unchanging taste of post-apocalypse. He tours this ragged diorama while getting to know the people and societies remaining, and who now take in jaded stride every manner of insanity made commonplace — such as their own enchainment in points of view.

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 No.10948

>>10945

all i need to know about achebe is that he's dead wrong about heart of darkness.

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 No.10952

File: 6d60c4225de9c23⋯.jpeg (26.74 KB, 243x400, 243:400, RedDragon.jpeg)

I haven't explored any thriller genre novels, as I was looking for recommendations, I came to know of the Hannibal series. I haven't watched the show yet, but after finishing this series, will consider. I had too much expectations from this book, but it turn out to be just average.

The part I really like about this book, is character build development of dolarhyde. The paranoid schizophrenic psychopath, portrayed in the story. In certain parts of the book, we get to experience the intensity of abuse dolarhyde suffered in childhood, from his sadist grandmother and overall rejection of his existence by society. And the Interaction of Graham with the killer, although indirectly, was fascinating to read.

But I will only read this series to understand the character of Hannibal Lector, among all he is the one that strikes my curiosity. Protagonist in the book, Will Graham, is exceptional character as well, keeps the flow of the story smooth, build up to be dynamic.

Over all, I am still familiarizing myself with the writing style of Thomas Harris, because it strikes me as little odd. As the situations are presented as is, rather than expanding them with descriptions. I can't comment much on writing though, as I am still quite unsure. Already started silence of the lambs, let's see. How this series unfolds for me.

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 No.10957

>>10947

>Our unnamed (or unnameable, as they often are) narrator …

“All my life my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name.” ~ André Breton

I think I need to read Nadja next.

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 No.11049

>>10936

Is not really insulting it, but is not embracing it anon. The main protagonist is a shitty asshole girl that is dying, and shallow at first with the male love interest.

And the male wanted to fuck her. Is almost satire in disguise.

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 No.11053

Well the last book I read with mine own eyes was most of "The ables" by Jeremy from cinemasins. It was okay I got board with it because it got fairly slow near where I was and had stuff to do. I also read "Mogworld" by Yathzee Crowshaw. That one I finished. I liked it a lot more than the ables and so far maintain that it has the most satisfying ending I have ever experienced in any media.

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 No.11055

The Adjacent, Christopher Priest. The only good thing was that Britain is ruled by muslims. Boring and pointless.

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 No.11080

File: 1065799317815b2⋯.jpg (23.02 KB, 237x400, 237:400, SS-CC-270.jpg)

THE CONTINENTAL CLASSICS are a twenty volume collection of outstanding European literature, published circa 1920. Well worth anyone's time to peruse, though understandably a collection made of vintage selections.

CONTINENTAL CLASSICS INC. was a 1960's era fly by night flea ridden attempt to ride the wave of loosening obscenity laws, into a brave new world at two bucks a pop (including tax).

Care to guess which collection Shooting Star belongs to?

Rod Bradley is a down and almost out wannabe actor. He drifts into town, looking for something to tide him over until the big break. An acquaintance introduces him to Olga Innstrom's mansion (Riverdale Ave, #1337 … 'leet as 'leet can be, no?) of ill repute; he is invited into the trade as a male prostitute. A chauvinist's paradise form of trade, servicing women exclusively.

There is a stab at a plot of sorts. Rod finds his time impossible to split between attempts at landing a part, and his ruptique duties of deflowering bouffant styled maidens, all the while messing the percales something fierce. We are treated to a touch of philosophy: "A true artist's bound to be impatient with dull ordinary pursuits, he's not concerned with such petty things as bills to paid, dental appointments, a new suit or pair of shoes, or even the supposed responsibilities and obligations the world's constantly trying to foist off on him." We also have a go at literary name dropping; Rod finds a potential escape through the made for TV special: Murder Off Broadway (an adaption of Henry Klinger's work I suspect — was Teddy Arnold his pot-boiling pen name?)

Through the parade of boners and bewbies Rod finds his true love, faces the foreshadowing of murder as a means to obtain her, only to be blindsided by the convenient murder of his employer in turn. Oh, the possibilities for story telling! And then …

And then we hit chapter eleven. The Continental Classics format restrictions appear to be absolute across their product line. 160 printed pages, no more, das it mane! Rod seizes the opportunity, wraps things up neatly. Chapter twelve we are treated to one final victorious sex scene with his beloved, sail off into the sunset, good night. Happy ever fucking after.

The artistic highlight of the book is to be found in the introduction. One of the most creative meshing of marketing titillation, and plausible deniability boilerplate I have ever witnessed.

"The reader should find the knowledge of perverted sex behavior described in this novel useful in avoiding similar unwholesome situations. It is from this point of view that Continental Classics presents this complete and unexpurgated version. It is recommended only for the graduate student and the mature adult reader. A.L. Saunders, M.A. New York City, June, 1969."

Thanks for the heads-up brother, and Amen.

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 No.11082

>>11080

Oh no you did *not* just do that.

GET BACK TO BRETON YOU SQUIRRELLY LOUSE!

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 No.11084

>>11082

Debanned. Lawl. Love ya, babe.

>>11082

Yeah, county claims it has two copies. Both are MIA. I'll track one down in the city this weekend. Meanwhile I'm taking 'Ballad for a spin.

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 No.11097

File: c5d54ac41a8cdd7⋯.gif (1.53 MB, 320x180, 16:9, confused.gif)

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 No.11121

>>11097

Intramural board staff battle.

The BO picked up Shooting Star at a yard sale as a joke, and told me to give it a shot when I got the time. To be fair, I promised to read and review something else for her, but I could not track down a copy. So …

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 No.11123

File: 8af40c9173ff933⋯.jpg (52.49 KB, 389x599, 389:599, 389px-TheGodsThemselves(1s….jpg)

I like the first part, full of suspense.

I like the second part, with its weird alien sex.

I found the third part to be anticlimactic.I mean, what? The thing is resolved off-screen? That's bullshit, Asimov.

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 No.11131

All The Light We Cannot See, by Anthony Doerr.

Read it for the parish book club; I was the only one who didn't really like it. I usually consider the books I read to be popular if they have around 100 or more Amazon.com reviews. I had basically forgotten there were books with over 25,000 reviews, and this being one should've been warning enough.

All The Light We Cannot See is a novel set before and during WWII that follows Marie-Laure, the daughter of the locksmith at a Paris natural history museum who becomes blind at a young age and loves mollusks, and Werner, an orphan who lives with his sister in a Ruhr region orphanage, and becomes passionate about radios after finding and repairing a discarded one. With the rise of Hitler, Werner's talents are discovered, and he is sent to an elite political-military academy, while the fall of France forces Marie-Laure to flee with her father – who guards the museum's most prized treasure – to St. Malo. Their stories will converge.

Doerr's imagery, particularly of mollusks and Marie-Laure's blindness, is vivid to dripping, but does not amount to much of a whole; it feels like directionless profundity.

The novel is supposedly about people trying to do good to each other and choose good in a difficult time, but lacks any consistent moral universe. When discussing nature, Doerr is positively naive. In Werner's world, a philosophy of nature is the foundation of the National Socialist ideology motivating the virile and strong but often cruel way of life the boys are taught and embrace. Marie-Laure is actually read Darwin and other naturalists, the very people from whom Hitler and others claimed inspiration – but for her nature is just something beautiful to enjoy. Doerr doesn't even seem to be aware that, if he's writing an anti-NS book, and nature plays a primary role, he should try and show that the Nazi view of nature is wrong.

Hence, the book relies on the reader's prior convictions to tell him fighting for the Reich is wrong and fighting for the French Resistance is right. As a /pol/ack if not a doctrinaire National Socialist, those convictions were mostly lacking with me, and occasional cruelty to üntermenschen were offset by visions of blond-haired, blue-eyed, blue-veined youths learning courage, pride, and discipline, and Hitler's grandiose visions for Linz. The German characters are not all Nazi caricatures, but the tired "just following orders" meme is trotted out once more. Doerr's good characters just sorta know the Third Reich is wrong because, well, they're good, but the thought that the French Third Republic could've been evil, or Marshall Petain's French State good, or collaboration done out of conscience never enter his novel's universe.

A page-turner, even a good read for pure enjoyment, but inherently flawed at worst and soulless establishment-climber's tripe at worst. Serious readers advised to skip this unjustly celebrated tome.

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 No.11132

>>8998

I bought this boo. Haven't started it, but I'm excited because its different than the movie (which I love). And yes, what little I've read of Fitzgerald I picture Tom Hardy

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 No.11252

File: c5ba0e56293ed4e⋯.jpg (44.63 KB, 334x499, 334:499, 51sKlv-TWlL._SX332_BO1,204….jpg)

And The Trees Crept In (The Creeper Man in the United Kingdom'') by Dawn Kurtagich.

Teen horror novel with timeless class. Scary stuff. The plot wasn't as perfect as her last novel The Dead House, but still I had to wait till it started getting light out to go to sleep.

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 No.11253

read thucydides. it was p good.

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 No.11383

File: db7b321bdfc98e7⋯.jpg (35.32 KB, 267x400, 267:400, Fellowship-cover.jpg)

Just finished the first part of LOTR. Started pretty slow, but was a good read altogether.

Did anyone else get the feeling that Tolkien's storyline mirrors something like the French Revolution? The rings seem to symbolize power, and the way it corrupts. The One Ring is absolute power (which corrupts absolutely) while the lesser rings (like the one the elves in Lothlorien have) can be used for good. Sauron seems to symbolize some sort of evil dictator, while the elves are ruled by romantic European monarchs. The elves say that when the One Ring is destroyed, their ring will lose its power, and their realm will fall. This seems to reflect some idea of Tolkien's that the French Revolution (or some similar event I haven't thought of) may have been justified, or even necessary, but that it also destroyed the great kings that fostered the beauty shown in the elves.

In this way Tolkien may have been just as apprehensive of the journey as his protagonists were. It also explains why he devoted himself to fantasy: he sees the world under modern democracies as safe, but dull.

Hell, it could also be talking about WWII, which I suppose is more likely, though it would mean Tolkien was a fan of fascism. Maybe he admired it because, just like the elves are the scattered remnants of something greater, he might have seen fascism as some small remnant of ancient royalty. Sauron, then, would symbolize Hitler, who Tolkien must have thought evil enough that he had to be stopped even at the cost of losing fascism (or any sort of return to a traditional government).

Or maybe I'm just thinking out of my ass, I don't know. This doesn't quite explain the different races each fantasy race represents, or why the evil version of power isn't represented by Germans or Frenchmen, but by what seems to be mongols or muslims. Then again, if this is a simple battle against the forces of the evil mussies, it doesn't make sense that destroying their source of power would also destroy the power of the distant Welshmen

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 No.11487

File: d399234cfbce1bf⋯.jpg (66.49 KB, 303x475, 303:475, ABoL.jpg)

Little orphaned Henni journeys about Europe and America as he is passed around relatives, some distant, some engaging. The theme of love is explored and presented throughout as seen from Henni's young eyes. A theme occasionally sublime, and mostly twisted.

Provided a modest stipend, Henni, now the adult Henry, returns to Europe in pursuit of Stella his own cousin, who is the one remaining connection to his childhood. She appears the only anchor to his drifting life of disconnect, as they tour Europe ahead of a looming world war in a dance of love orchestrated through nihilism.

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 No.11496

>>11383

the book ends with monarchy , an absolute one. where does this fit in that reasoning.

plus everybody knows that LOTR is a race war metaphor:^).

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 No.11497

On my last twelve pages of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. I can already say that this book is one of my new favorites in the genre, and it's equally great as fiction as it is as a political treatise or essay.

>>11383

By the time it was written, muslims had no reputation for being savage. I think that's a new phenomenon, probably from the time the US fucked up Iran together with militant islamists. Historical conquests from the Ottomans aside. Those of Muhammad never played much of a role in western perception until later either, I think.

Your interpretation is really good, however. Can't say if it holds up as I haven't read the book but you seem to have put a lot of thought into it and it shows.

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 No.11505

File: 1d8da717e22a807⋯.jpg (215.11 KB, 624x527, 624:527, The Space Merchants.jpg)

Mitch Courtenay lands a dream account, a project of two parts. First, to convince humanity the worthiness of a tremendous expenditure of resources needed to colonize Venus. A fait accompli, this is the easiest task by far, as the transport ship is nearing completion and the shortages caused are already apparent. He need only deflect the ire of dispossessed consumers, and hey, it's not like they're going to stop consuming, right? Consumers express their frustrated needs through a desire for greater consumption. But, what to sell in a market so deficient in goods? A new religion should do the trick, perhaps. Mitch is enthusiastic with such opportunities for old-school creative shilling. Success is guaranteed. It's all been done before.

His second task: to recruit fourteen hundred volunteers who will live the terraforming dream. Mere reality—continuous body breaking dangerous work, under insanely claustrophobic conditions for the rest of their lives—must not be allowed to tarnish the dream. These details matter, but to the company, not to the public. After all, dream and all, this is a one way only adventure.

Threats to his life are to be expected in such a high profile position. Formalized corporate competition remains a full-contact sport, to be taken in stride. Managerial details accumulate, pushing other considerations aside. Mitch has the unpleasant task of cleaning out a threat to progress in the form of an incompetent outlying office, after which comes the inevitable meeting to smooth things over. To Mitch's surprise, the department head expresses his objection through physical confrontation. Mitch is pronounced dead; his identity changed to a low-grade nonentity, and he finds himself on his own one-way trip as a contracted slave laborer. He is confronted with a world of office buildings renting their stairways out for the transient bulk of the population, of food products cynically laced with attenuated forms of cocaine, and of absolute corporate domination. Mitch must find his way back past wage credit scams, mind numbing addictions, vile communistic environmental terrorism, and whoever wanted him out of the way to begin with.

An advertising executive's journey toward redemption and a second-chance. Both for humanity, as for himself.

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 No.11508

>>11383

LotR is reactionary you dupe

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 No.11580

City of Endless Night. It's essentially like Brave New World with even less sense.

Milo Hastings thinks, among other things, that someone who knows the old German type could not possibly understand the modern one, that someone could do meaningful work in a scientific discipline while being isolated from all the others, and that his lyricism sounds any good. I stopped when he failed basic math as well.

The plot involves a Hohenzollern-led Germany defeated in WWII, which still holds out in an enclosed Berlin. The hero accidentally on purpose infiltrates them and probably bring the people freedoms. Hastings claims that autocratic culture is unspiritual, but at the same time, that the Bible and his platitudes about democracy are good.

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 No.11581

File: 3435a6d4e1bdce8⋯.jpg (18.51 KB, 300x300, 1:1, ViV.jpg)

A sampling of the sights and streets of modern Venice, and the history of The Serene Republic. All as seen through the eyes of our host, Gore Vidal.

Most of the tour is a journey across time, with pithy observations on the honest application of power. A few excursions are made in search of Vidal family history. A few less than witty puns are thrown in at the expense of a city gone to the Doges (ahem), as are occasional rueful comparisons made to a certain less than serene modern republic.

In spite of the self indulgent tour guide, Venice remains the star and focus of this grand tour in book form.

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 No.11584

>>11580

> It's essentially like Brave New World with even less sense.

what did you find having little sense in bnw?

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 No.11585

>>11383

how does one man misinterprets so much? You need to JUST yourself. It makes no sense if you only consider the trilogy, when you take in to account the anthology you sound like /Leftypol/ complaining that if people were not brainwashed by capitalists they would join their revolution.

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 No.11586

File: 77af0e88ff7f83e⋯.jpg (26.27 KB, 347x499, 347:499, VtaSP.jpg)

A crazy thing about reading works of a previous generation is the disjointed sense of deja vu inflicted. Parts of this play read like a synopses of a Star Trek episode, or two. The alien may as well be the exemplar of Q. Even the alien's mannerisms are a recognizable echo from episodes to be.

A small disclaimer on the title page states this play is: "A comedy akin to a vaudeville." The characters are more humorous caricatures than believable as people, making such a disclaimer important to keep in mind. This production is no serious attempt at Scifi.

As for the plot, a wacky bored alien tourist shows up to explore the American civil war. Unfortunately, the year is 1961 with nothing of historical import to entertain the visitor (being produced in 1956, the Cuban missile crisis was a no go). No matter, with the right display of parlor tricks backed with a touch of leverage, he can have a war of his very own. Prodding the humans to fight is the simplest of tasks. What must be managed with care is to remain hidden from his peers paternal.

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 No.11589

>>11585

> if people were not brainwashed by capitalists they would join their revolution.

wouldn't they?

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 No.11590

File: 6e9afd0f7cffdd8⋯.jpg (52.29 KB, 354x500, 177:250, AEWRN.jpg)

"Over the years I have spoken about politics to quite a few audiences and I'm continually struck by their collective ignorance—or perhaps lack of memory is a more tactful way of putting it. They don't know who did what last week much less ten years ago, and they don't want to be told. This of course, plays into the hands of the politician. He can reinvent himself every morning." ~ Introductory note by Vidal.

A sketch of Nixon's professional arc, ending just prior to that final career killing series of events in 1972 (and which birthed a plague of scandalously cliched name-gates we pass through with wearisome regularity to date).

A play's lifeblood is found in its dialog. Here, life stirs through dialog made of quotes mined from what the principals actually said. What makes it fly is the peanut gallery banter between the ghosts of George Washington (serving as master of ceremonies), Dwight D. Eisenhower, and John F. Kennedy. While the specific events of Nixon's life no longer hold much interest, the general historical flow holds value as a study in presidential means. The triumphs and tragedies of Nixon and his near peers aside, the most poignant story is told through the puzzled observations from the first in line. Today, Washington would say with justification, he was both the first, and last president of an American republic.

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 No.11593

>>11584

They both assume some kind of machine that not only reins people in, but micromanages them; for Huxley, this meant separation of the classes, enforced NTR, and lack of poetry. This is a social order different from the natural one, in which no one wants polygamy or dislikes poetry. Enforcing it is easy and effective and creates no problems competing with other societies.

To paraphrase Hastings, "if the Germans don't want freedom, I must give it to them by force." He and Huxley judge societies not by accomplishments or stability, but by morals and personal appeal.

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 No.11600

File: 6ea5c4e3209871b⋯.jpg (378.75 KB, 600x719, 600:719, physical removal, so to sp….jpg)

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 No.11616

>>11593

Also I may have confounded the authors who judge based on small pictures, with readers who judge based on their morality being represented. If instead Huxley had a plausible world, so would have been his commentary.

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 No.11638

Somewhere along The Computer Connection, A. Bester, the protagonist enters a time machine to try to stop the computer's alleged evil plot. He has been warned he can't interact with others. In the past, he watches a scene from before and returns without learning anything new.

The whole book is like this, not just the story.

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 No.11660

File: fd0eb68a2b34f55⋯.png (259.4 KB, 1080x1920, 9:16, Screenshot_2016-11-23-12-5….png)

The 13 1/2 Life's of Captain Bluebear, or however you would translate it. Was a fun read, and maybe the single most creative thing I've ever read. Just a bit "banana lol do randumb" at times, and I couldn't detect an overarching theme. Still, for a fun read, it was very good.

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 No.11673

The History of Ethnological Theory by Robert H. Lowie.

The title is a sufficient summation of the content.

It presents a condensed overview of various figures and schools of thought within ethnology (men like Bastian, Morgan, Tylor, Boas, Graebner, Schmidt, Klemm, etc.).

For the average reader, it would be an exhaustive ordeal. I enjoyed it, though; dry texts on theory are my cup of tea.

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 No.11912

The Authoritarians by Bob Altemeyer. The parts of the book that were good were great, and it read incredibly smoothly. However, when it turned political, I felt like I was watching Bill Maher jerk off to a picture of himself. I can recommend the book, but I cannot like it.

Law of Nations, James Mill.

Very good book, dealing with an incredible range of topics in just fifty pages or so. However, it never really got into depth on any of them, so while it's a great work, it's not a brilliant one.

Common Sense, Thomas Paine.

This is the real deal. It's witty, succinct, a masterpiece of rhetorics that avoids the trap of sophistry, and one of the most historically important documents you could think of. Its case for democracy (and government in general) is weak, and sometimes, it feels like Paine just flung whatever argument he could find around in the hopes that one would stick "It's crazy that America would be centered around England! I mean, satellites aren't bigger than their planets, are they? And look how big America is compared to England!", but all in all, this book is awesome and if you're interested in history or politics, you should read it.

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 No.11954

File: d8ab61617e96b37⋯.jpg (89.54 KB, 479x754, 479:754, 96c8cb4916298bae801d1e369a….jpg)

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 No.11959

"Hell in the Pacific"– Jim McEnery. Memoir of a Marine rifleman from Guadalcanal to Peleliu

"Pirates of Barbary"–Adrian Tirenwood (sp?)

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 No.11970

I read Permutation City, following a recommendation from an anon here :3

Speaking of which, I've sort of built up a bit of a backlog in the last few weeks… I'm about to read American Psycho now, then Gravity's Rainbow

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 No.11976

The last thing I read was A Scanner Darkly. I don't know how to explain or analyse books, but I can say I enjoyed the prose a great deal. Things like the banter between characters. The first chapter was pretty heavy, a nice way to begin.

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 No.11995

File: a96b785d7dd6c0c⋯.jpg (59.6 KB, 329x499, 329:499, The Rise of Rome.jpg)

File: c6df0a2f5f893ae⋯.jpeg (6.2 KB, 191x293, 191:293, Guermantes Way.jpeg)

File: ea565aaae7e508e⋯.jpeg (9.56 KB, 193x293, 193:293, Rome's Italian Wars.jpeg)

The Rise of Rome (History of Rome Books 1-5) by Livy

Guermantes Way by Marcel Proust

Rome's Italian Wars (History of Rome Books 6-10)

The books 1-3~ of Livy's Ab Urbe Condita Libri were really interesting and then became rather with the repetitive factional battle between plebeians and patricians with a war with neighboring tribe thrown in almost every instance, but books 6-10 revived my interest, esp. with the feats of soldiers against Gallic and Samnite enemies alike.

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 No.12005

File: f33d7d015a96829⋯.jpg (16.72 KB, 264x400, 33:50, p16nfr3ceqmcegm61k0o1cqk1t….jpg)

Mill offered some very valuable insights and arguments and his account of utilitarianism actually had a lot of clarity to it. It's like an analysis of morality on the atomic level. I think he's got a few jumps of logic in it and dismisses or ignores some contrary views that would've deserved far more attention.

I'm not impressed with his writing style. It has all the dryness of his father, but with more platitudes and redundancies and without his impressively stringent chains of thought.

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 No.12089

Last book I finished was The Waves by Virginia Woolf

It was really interesting to read just because of how unusual it is. Probably not the best introduction to Woolf though

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 No.12317

File: 5e1a8023ce80fbb⋯.jpg (9.07 KB, 240x240, 1:1, f96a4310fca02e96d79b3010._….jpg)

Continuing my foray into the 2nd German Reich, I've been reading the first volume of a biography on Kaiser Wilhelm II by Lamar Cecil. This follows a biography of Otto von Bismarck by Jonathan Steinberg, which was thoroughly enjoyable, although the writing style made it a bit of a slog.

I have a habit of supplementing my main reading with some Politics or Philosophy, of which I am starting Revolt Against the Modern World by Julius Evola. I will say its a little out there, but certainly interesting.

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 No.12324

Crippled america by Trump

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 No.12363

Got a whole bunch of books from this topic that you guys suggested. I'll post back once I've read one or two of them.

As for books read. I'm almost done Scott Adams "How to fail at almost everything and still win big". Pretty good book.

>>12324

Someone got me this book as a joke gift last Christmas (I'm Canadian on top of that), but it was actually a good read and sort of wished some of the things he mentioned in his book would happen here. It would breathe new life into the economy in bankrupt Ontario.

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 No.12390

File: ae66e30213f6c43⋯.jpg (13.93 KB, 228x346, 114:173, ae66e30213f6c43d0efc24016a….jpg)

File: 86e362d1d98015a⋯.jpg (31.81 KB, 335x499, 335:499, Sapiens_A_Brief_History_of….jpg)

I'll add the books I read these past few weeks too just for the hell of it.

>Disrupted Cities by Graham

A set of case studies about major catastrophes where infrastructure was completely overwhelmed and where and why it failed. An example is Katrina and how the inability of being able to separate clean from unclean spaces wreaked havoc on the police force which struggled to keep themselves afloat let alone take charge of the situation. Fascinating but holy fuck was this one of the wordiest books I've ever read.

>Labyrinth of Solitude by Octavio Paz

Written by a Mexican thinker in the 50's, Paz tries to work out the Mexican condition. It's hard to really summarize this but what I took from it is that mexicans are still experiencing a culture wide aftershock due to their origins which are set in a metaphorical rape(spaniards conquest of the indians) that they haven't come to terms with.

>Coming Up Short by Jennifer Silva

A phd student interviews 100 people with working class origins and attempts to make sense of the way millennials seem to be handling adulthood now that the traditional markers(marriage, stable employment, moving out) are more or less gone. Very fascinating read and it hit very close to home. It has a bit of a liberal tinge but overall it was fair to every party involved and simply tried to make sense of things.

>Dumbing us Down by John Taylor Gatto

Set of essays by 30 year veteran teacher Gatto as he criticizes the educational school system of k-12 that we have in the US. It's a bit idyllic on the part of Gatto but I agreed with several of his arguments. Ultimately, the question is of delivery. Who do you trust more to educate children, their parents or big daddy government? One thing I have to mention that was eerie to me of how different the world is today was how he basically advocates for segregation at one point. Keep in mind this book was first published in 1991. Take that as you will. References Paz funnily enough.

CURRENTLY READING

>Sacred Cows Make the Best Burgers by Kriegel(currently reading)

A business book about culling Sacred Cows(i.e. outdated business practices). I picked it up because one of my college textbooks for quality management mentioned it. It's pretty funny so far, the paper cow so far is my favorite. I have felt the pain at work so it really hits close to home.

>Emperor of All Maladies by Mukherjee

Book about cancer. Only read the preface so far.

>Sapiens a Brief History of Mankind by Harari

Really good so far, it's basically chronicling the history of humanity as best we know of it. Currently on ch4 The Flood. He's trying explain how we may have spread to Australia and I'm going to assume that he's going to delve into why the flood motif pops up everywhere in human lore. Very fun and entertaining read.

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 No.12397

>>8876

I just finished reading this one too anon after you brought it up. I had heard referenced for years, but never read it. Pretty good book IMO.

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 No.12415

File: 12d3a3355f9dbcf⋯.png (158.77 KB, 220x326, 110:163, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 745ef0c56e01902⋯.png (73.53 KB, 171x295, 171:295, ClipboardImage.png)

The Dispossessed - A scientist from an isolationist Anarchist society living on a moon visits the earth-like planet it orbits, in part to see if the "propertarians" are really as bad as everyone claims. Some people might find it a little slow, but I enjoyed it quite a bit.

The Grapes of Wrath - The Dustbowl story of the Joad Family fleeing to California after their Oklahoma farm is seized by a bank. The narrative is interspersed with beautifully written interludes which give insight and broader context to the main narrative. The Grapes of Wrath is my favorite book, by far.

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 No.12421

File: 0dc47f13a3f97ce⋯.jpg (17.84 KB, 210x320, 21:32, 41-YJeNAF2L._AC_UL320_SR21….jpg)

Just finished this, great read.

It's pretty much a biography of cancer, historical origins, key people and dates, basically the progression of how it used to be considered an automatic death sentence and the slow crawl to extend living time in those who went remission from a few days to decades. It also went through how our understanding of cancer change dramatically over time from being thought as a random change in blood to knowing how it starts after cells mutate in such a way that they use the very same processes that make us live into processes that are perverted for the clump of cell's own self preservation.

Very gratifying to see how far we've come. Also gave insight into just how devastating the "cures" were and sometimes are. For example, surgeons used to have much more invasive mastectomies for breast cancer. Instead of just removing the breast they went as far deep as the chest muscle, ribs, lymph nodes, sometimes even the lung itself which left their survivors with extreme deformities. Unfortunately it didn't really matter since cancer could travel around the body and would metastasize elsewhere.

Again, very good read that I'd recommend to someone who wants a broad overview of cancer.

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 No.12429

After years of hearing about Fight Club I read the book.

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 No.12435

File: a46d2a4307fe61d⋯.jpeg (12.06 KB, 193x293, 193:293, 21-30.jpeg)

File: 8781316b1652517⋯.jpg (32.44 KB, 329x499, 329:499, 31-40.jpg)

File: 14a56f04516dddd⋯.jpg (52.13 KB, 329x499, 329:499, 41-45.jpg)

>>8990

>>8991

>>8992

>>9269

>>9270

>>9428

>>9743

>>10505

>>11995

For a sense of continuity.

I finished the rest of Livy's Ab Urbe Condita Libri. By far the best book is Hannibal's War. I now detest that this was not preserved, and the Periochae which provides synopses of each book, excluding the lost/missing books 136 and 137, is not enough to satiate my appetite for Livy.

Now onto Aristophanes and Menander.

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 No.12438

File: 86e362d1d98015a⋯.jpg (31.81 KB, 335x499, 335:499, 86e362d1d98015a068d802ac96….jpg)

>>12390

Me again, man what a disappointment. Dropped it at chapter 8. I should've known better than to trust a jew. It starts out with a reasonable thought on how we may have started out before the agricultural revolution and even highlights how biologically we were given the short stick with it and I'm inclined. Then he goes on to say that our systems are imagined and things like racism are just prejudices such that poverty and ignorance begets the same. Again, I buy that as /pol/ is full of "race realist" hypocrites.

Then he gets to women v men and goes full sjw saying how there's no real difference and that they can do all the same jobs me can etc etc. I saw the writing on the wall so I bailed. Overall it was just too much opinion, speculation, and popsci that I would not recommend this. I really regret buying it.

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 No.12439

>>12438

>Then he goes on to say that our systems are imagined and things like racism are just prejudices such that poverty and ignorance begets the same. Again, I buy that as /pol/ is full of "race realist" hypocrites.

What?

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 No.12455

Someone bought me The Great Gasby, so I'm reading that.

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 No.12489

File: 68ef9069f044d4c⋯.jpeg (35.72 KB, 260x400, 13:20, wages.jpeg)

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 No.12502

Just read though The Tragedy of Mister Morn and I really enjoyed it. It's like you took his major works and crushed them down into about 100 small pages. And he wrote it at age of 24 or 25, I think.

Are there any other Nabokov stage plays worth reading?

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 No.12515

File: a8e8d1e642e0f3f⋯.jpg (68.21 KB, 336x517, 336:517, the-autobiography-of-malco….jpg)

Just finished the autobiography of Malcolm X. If ever there was a good use for redpilled Malcolm X was it.

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 No.12516

>>12515

you know that haley is not an author particularly known for his accuracy, right?

but i must say that i enjoyed that book when i read it years ago.

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 No.12521

>>12516

Not really, I've never read anything by haley in my life. Even if he was accurate I doubt Malcolm was 100% honest and probably tailored the book to suit him. I agree however that this was one of the more entertaining books I've read in awhile. Took me only two days to finish when usually I put off books for weeks.

I'm very interested in Marable's book now about Malcolm. Apparently he's gone through great pain and the FBI archives to recreate malcolm's life and I would definitely like another angle on his character. While I enjoyed haley's book something that really bugs me about it was how naive malcolm seemed to be the entire way through. Something is just fishy to me about it.

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 No.12525

File: 00f61955d911b69⋯.jpg (1.37 MB, 1500x2000, 3:4, 3256eb_5e335e32ebbb40b99b9….jpg)

Finished pic related some time ago, but might as well post about it.

For starters, the author cannot build suspense to save his life. If someone is suspected of being evil, or somebody suggests that someone did something, then rest assured that it is so despite Lay trying to pretend like there's any semblance of mystery when everyone and their mother basically knows who the culprits are before the first 1/3 of the book. Don't bother trying to look for red herrings or unexpected plot twists. because there are none.

The main characters are insanely stupid and reckless with the only exception to the general stupidity was the main, MAIN character, who goes from being an ordinary shmuck to super-badass in the blink of an eye. By comparison, the bad guys are hyper-competent and lucky, the the point of breaking disbelief.

The world-building sucks, it's basically not-Middle-Ages-Britain plus not-Ottoman-Empire-circa-1500-AD with incredibly lazy naming.

And to top it off, it goes on for about 200 pages too long.

On the plus side, at least I didn't pay for it.

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 No.12538

>>12525

>with incredibly lazy naming

Any examples?

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 No.12543

File: e589cf26faaf17b⋯.jpg (301.26 KB, 910x1500, 91:150, il_fullxfull.306934858.jpg)

>The Gulag Archipelago by Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Man, I love Russian writers. Their writing teleports me into Russia.

Solzhenitsyn tells the story of his imprisonment in the Gulag (prison system) in Soviet Russia. Alongside his recounting, we get a historical rundown of the politics and prisons of Russia from the turn of the century all the way up to his eventual liberation.

Solid 9/10. He drags on a bit at times, but he tells the stories of prisoners that will blow the minds of readers.

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 No.12549

>>12543

I actually found this book in my parent's basement last week, looking forward to reading it after the book I'm reading now.

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 No.12557

>>12525

honestly you just need to look at the cover to know that, or at least heavily suspect it.

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 No.12558

File: 8a6e883176e35b2⋯.jpg (18.19 KB, 225x300, 3:4, steal like an artist.jpg)

Finished Reading: Steal like an artist.

I was put in charge of the creative design of something for work, so I needed to know how artists think. Apparently, they're thieves.

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 No.12559

>>12538

Off the top of my head: Kotterman Empire (gee, I wonder who they're meant to be based off), and Prince Swane, who is also fat, ugly and disgusting, in case the name didn't give it away.

>>12558

Wasn't it Picasso who said "Good artists copy; great artists steal"?

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 No.12569

File: 6fa42fd52b4435c⋯.jpg (25.09 KB, 239x346, 239:346, 51jnKBJ7eEL._SY344_BO1,204….jpg)

I avoided Confessions of a Mask for awhile because people said it was an accurate representation of what it's like to be a gay man, and I have absolutely no interest in the kind of preachy bullshit that kind of book would certainly be.

Now I know that either those people never read the book, or they believe that gay people are demented sadomasochists. Which is especially worrying when you consider how many gay people themselves said it was accurate. That's the kind of thing you might want to keep under wraps if you're trying to convince people that homosexuality is normal.

The book is really a Lolita-style challenge to make you sympathize with a naturally unsympathetic character. His possible homosexuality is not a good thing, but simply another one of his many flaws. I say possible homosexuality because he never actually fucks a man, nor does he even dream about fucking a man. What gets him off is the idea of killing men, not fucking them. How the hell do people miss this

It's a good book. It captures the conflict going on inside the man's head, and actually makes you feel sorry for him.

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 No.12570

>>12569

Thank you for reminding me what I kept forgetting to download today.

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 No.12571

>>12570

No problem. Hope you enjoy it.

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 No.12572

>>12569

>not just watching the masterpiece Gay Niggers From Outer Space

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 No.12573

>>12569

first, lolita is not about liking humbert.

second, yes, homosexuality is a form of mental illness.

back in the day, before welfare state, if you did not reproduce and made kids able to support you through your sunset years, you were in for a particularly harsh life, and probably a much shorter one.

so i'd say that commies were right when they said that homosexuality is a remnant of bourgeois decadence, because either you were reasonably wealthy not to care about your future or you were in a bad situation.

unless you did like ancient greeks who married, had children and enjoyed some greek love on the side. but then it would be hard to explain how and why the struggle or homos for rights and women rights are on the same page and "intersectional".

i guess somebody could argue that since now we have a lot of technology that allows us to overlook certain things now this is not an issue. but jumping from planes would have been considered insane before parachutes were invented, how can the very same compusion be mental illness one day and being ok the next?

sorry for the soap box.

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 No.12580

>>12573

I haven't actually read Lolita, so I'm not trying to make claims to what it's about. I've just heard Lolita praised a lot for making the reader sympathetic to a pedophile. If that praise is misguided, I wouldn't be surprised. Especially after the confusing praise for Confessions of a Mask.

And yeah, I agree completely, homosexuality is a mental illness. That was my point: why is this popular as an "lgbt book" when it, depending on how you look at it, either doesn't depict a gay man at all, or depicts him in an unflattering (though somewhat accurate) light? It's kind of baffling, because it makes you think that either gay readers are admitting that there is something seriously wrong with them, or they didn't read the book. Or maybe they think there's nothing strange about Kochan's violent fantasies? I don't know.

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 No.12590

>>12580

>>12580

>It's kind of baffling, because it makes you think that either gay readers are admitting that there is something seriously wrong with them, or they didn't read the book. Or maybe they think there's nothing strange about Kochan's violent fantasies? I don't know.

it's probably a combination of the three,

if anything because people often praise books in the attempt to look smart. some books attract certain kind of people more than others, like "the name of the rose". and maybe that's just an impression of mine but homos like to pretend there is something they call gay culture so they might feel compelled to praise the book of a famous, alleged homosexual.

and if you look at sort of "artistic" "psychological" movies made from the sixties to these days, they always seem to go for the sordid kind of stuff. so it would not surprise me if for some that kind of stuff it's the mark of a real work of art.

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 No.12592

File: 4db3e402c3bc865⋯.jpg (6.57 KB, 300x388, 75:97, NE.jpg)

File: 5af10028d64b351⋯.jpg (20.45 KB, 300x479, 300:479, view.jpg)

The last two books I finished:

The New Empire by Brooks Adams (1902) Excellent history of the dynamics of empire in the making with particular reference to Japan on the eve of the Japanese Russian war and the occupation of Manchuria but also a roadmap for the USA twentieth century. Surveys the entire history of civilization much as does Toynbee later, though Adams focus is on the impact on Empire building of trade routes and the changing geographic importance of cities resulting from resource depletion and new transportation efficiencies. Very highly recommend.

Room with a View by E M Forster (1908) Can't believe I've never read this before, but I don't believe so. The last five years I've been (re)reading through all Forster's novels, classic Edwardiana for which I've a taste and enjoy greatly. In this class, Forester is very top shelf.

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OK homo here

I've read both Confessions of a Mask and Lolita several times over the years. Of Mishima's works translated into English I do not think Confessions is all that significant a novel. It's a story of a boy's emergent consciousness, semi-autobiographical I imagine, but without much clear definition. Other than the allusive title it's not a gay book if that's what one's seeking although it has a slightly homoerotic scene in which the adolescent boy is watching a wartime parade of passing firemen … rather slim pickings.

Having spent a year in Japan it's my view Japanese are far less obsessed than westerners about the role of sex in one's self definition. It's very low key in their society which is probably the reason most young adults can't be bothered these days, according to what one reads.

Much of Mishima's greater works focus on power, and the role of tradition, religion and social prestige in projecting control over others. His book Forbidden Colours tells of how a handsome young man is subverted by an old author to destroy both women and men through sexual treachery. Of his translated books, this is the only one portraying the Japanese gay world.

Mishima is a very bleak writer reflecting the bitterness of the ugly cold war period, in which for many there was no future. His final four volume work, The Sea of Fertility, I consider one of the greatest works of twentieth century literature and is a summation of his life's thought and disappointment.

Lolita is Nabakov's most compelling novel. As it happens I'm about two thirds of the way through his Ada just now and it's interesting how this ephebophilia for the female sex is a theme through his other works, too. I feel though the whole legend Lolita has gained (like Confessions) is largely misplaced as the focus of the former is on post-War Americana and it's trashy values (sort of like Warhol) rather than fodder for the prurient. I couldn't more highly recommend the Kubrick movie Lolita starring Peter Sellers (Dr Strangelove) which although the book is wonderfully funny, the movie is one of these unusual ones where it's a finer work than the book.

First post here in /lit/ hope it posts OK

and actually I regard exclusive heterosexually as a form of mental illness

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 No.12593

>>12592

i ,for one, would be glad to see you posting again.

caveat emptor. the board is very slow.

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 No.12620

>>12592

>OK homo here

>and actually I regard exclusive heterosexually as a form of mental illness

>The mentally ill calling anyone else mentally ill.

KEK.

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 No.12624

from /pol/ here. Have a question.

I've seen multiple read these book list threads on pol. Has anyone come up with an order to read the books? Some books have better context if they are read before others.

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 No.12625

File: e3e6922223571b6⋯.jpg (1.96 MB, 4000x3549, 4000:3549, 1492710926788.jpg)

File: b2645571fd4c4b2⋯.png (3.99 MB, 2248x3442, 1124:1721, 1492718129893.png)

>>12624

I saw one I thought was interesting. Don't take it for gospel, but use it as a rough guide as to where to start and where to go if you want to know more.

If you're more fiction oriented, the third has a lot of good ones. You could start anywhere you like but I'd recommend at least checking out the author's works before you jump in.

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 No.12626

>>12620

i think he was making a joke

>>12625

>you should know because you have already read the capital, right?

>reading the capital

honestly i'd say that the manifesto and the critique to the gotha program give you material enough to know that marx was full of shit.

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 No.12627

File: 887fcce884bf947⋯.png (3.36 MB, 2392x3348, 598:837, 1492718017104.png)

Oh geez, I didn't even realize I not only uploaded these out of order but also that there's a two image limit.

>>12626

I wouldn't either. That's why I said don't take it for gospel.

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 No.12629

>>12626

I'd recommend reading The Capital, if only so you get to see for yourself what Marx was saying. Second-hand sources are generally a bad idea if you can get the original, even if you think the original is full of crap.

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 No.12636

>>12629

the manifesto and the critique or the gotha program are not second hand sources. marx wrote them.

technically the manifesto is co-written, but being a manifesto, it's supposedly a good summarization of what you want to get and why.

the capital is a monumentally big book, i think i can skip it. i could argue my position if you want, but if you read those relatively short texts you can probably see it for yourself.

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 No.12641

I recently finished a stint.

A stint of reading the Tao Te Ching every day.

First the translation by Johnathan Star. Second; Ursula K. Le Guin – finally Jane English & Gia-fu Feng.

Before anyone asks; I consider Star's translation superior to the other two, that being said: English & Feng's picture-book has a both-brain-hemisphere appeal which I consider engaging enough to warrant a reread down the road – or rather 'down the way'.

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 No.12646

>>12626

Poe's law, m8.

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 No.12651

>>12646

i guess…

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 No.12728

File: 76fef3372154d2d⋯.jpg (94.56 KB, 556x545, 556:545, this evil.jpg)

>>12627

>Leviathan

>Tier 1

Then why do I have a feeling no one has more than a superficial understanding of the book? I disagree on pretty much everything with Hobbes, but damn if his philosophy isn't fascinating.

Also, sorry, no big fan of these infographs. Telling anyone to read Marx and Keynes, but not even mentioning any of their critics is dangerously irresponsible.

>>12636

Having read the manifesto, the critique of the gotha program and a good deal of the capital, I think there's no good summary of marxist thought. And judging by the secondary literature I've read, there's a reason for that: Marx was a complete fucking moron who gave the air of immense complexity by using an intransparent methodology, endlessly discussing small and petty details, and having no consistency at all. Fuck him.

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 No.12731

File: f49fa9e7bcb785f⋯.jpg (14.56 KB, 220x331, 220:331, 220px-Booknewsun.jpg)

Book of the New Sun. Excellent setting, excellent characters, shit pacing and rambling language. Would not recommend.

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 No.12734

Last Unicorn.

Read it in one sitting. Very good, though it didn't elicit as much emotion as I hoped it would. The love interest was just too one dimensional.

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 No.12754

>>12625

>The industrial revolution was a mistake, it's nothing but trash

lel, right wing primitivist cucks

>>12580

>mentally ill

>using for jewish classification tricks to justify why you don't like something instead of having a justified reason like you have a particular religious or political stance or just admitting you simply don't like homosexuals because you 'feel' like that

If you want to use their kike terminology then you'll have to concede that homosexuality is not a mental illness by definition

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 No.12756

File: 69d07b495d45c64⋯.jpeg (48.1 KB, 324x500, 81:125, title is misleading it is….jpeg)

Don't agree completely with the guy's political beliefs but it's still nice to learn a bit about how the country was day to day and the general attitude from someone who wasn't a tier one Selous Scout oper8or or a politician. Feels bad man, hope he is happy in Ausfailia.

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 No.12760

>>12731

and to think that it was a common reccomendation on old /lit/…

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 No.12790

There is no "source" thread so I'll post here.

I have been looking for a poem for the past couple of hours.

I dont know if this board deals with poems as much as with books but I really, really, really want to find the poem I am looking for.

I had found it a few years back but I didn't have the habit of bookmarking or saving pages back then.

The poem had no rhyme but it was very touching, the structure was medium-length sentences and 1 or 2 (or more?) big paragraphs.

The website (it was found online) was simplistic (in a way), I remember a purple line somewhere (above or on the side) that was used as a separation for topics.

The poem was sort of similar to this http://www.poeticrepublic.com/poem/7107/dementia/ as it was about (if I remember) either despair, insanity or dementia or something.

The poem was also (I think) the winner of a poetry competition, but I do not recall if it was a national, international, teenagers, school/uni students or adult or all ages competition (or 18+ or 12-25 or whatever).

I think it was a winner of a competition before 2015, maybe 2013? 2014? 2009? I dont remember.

I really, really want to find the poem.

The reason is that it was the only poem I ever read that was extremely well written but also had no rhyme.

I created a small gimp image from memory https://files.catbox.moe/9pgk9i.png hopefully it helps.

I would be immensely grateful for anybody who would be able to find the poem.

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 No.12791

>>12790

I also went through the entire https://winningwriters.com/the-best-free-literary-contests/award-winning-poems and couldn't find it.

Maybe it wasn't a winner, maybe it was a 2nd place or 3rd place?

It was such a good poem too.

I think it was about dark nights, dark streets, or dark something. It was pretty grim but very good and touching.

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 No.12796

>>12790

>>12791

can't hepl you. the poems i usually read are at least 50 y.o.

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 No.12833

David Kessler, The End of Overeating

This feels more like a collection of anecdotes, the lessons of which we're expected to put together. It's a valid approach to determine what industries do through examples, but a good sketch of a theoretical model would have been nice.

For example, the basic idea is palatability, a quality of food which makes us eat more of it. After making talking about hedonistic and emotional values of food, towards the end Kessler says that some food isn't made because it's good the first time but not palatable.

He also adopts a model of eating based of habit-formation breakable through conscious decision and strict rules, and separately making emotionally negative associations with unhealthy food. But if we take the concept that we are bad at predicting what is good and bad (and attributing qualities and shortcomings) as basis, reforming a compulsive bad habit into a compulsive good one can be an additional option.

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 No.12835

File: 477218dcb36ca66⋯.jpg (16.37 KB, 300x441, 100:147, lit1.jpg)

File: 543267b03078e34⋯.jpg (463.6 KB, 500x734, 250:367, lit2.jpg)

File: e93d34f5a9910a9⋯.jpg (70.51 KB, 224x360, 28:45, lit3.jpg)

Since my first /lit/ post

>>12592

I've continued to follow this board and been surprised at the dearth of discussion about books, let alone actual literature. It always amuses me when I come across tourist brochures or other marketing spin referred to as "literature", however, I expect feeling an emotional need for defined meaning behind word usage is altogether passe in the post-literate era.

In this six weeks I completed Nabakov's novel Ada (mentioned above) and the three books shown. Not much comment to add about Ada … Nabakov's usual Russian prince libertine, teenage girls, incest, butterflies and arboreta.

Palimpsest (1995) is the first volume (to age 39) of Gore Vidal's memoirs; a brilliantly witty, entertaining and brutally honest take on himself, family, celebrity and politics in the times from FDR through to the cold war. The ultimate insider, Vidal spills the beans (and the juices) on everyone who counted over these years. Bought it when it was first published, loaned it to someone who understandably never returned it, and found a cheap paperback of it recently in a secondhand shop. Third time I've read it and fresh and sparkling as he first time. Couldn't recommend more highly. As it happens, just finished watching my way through Ken Burn's The Roosevelts and the two works were remarkably complementary. Almost all the movie footage from the roaring twenties, the great crash and following depression, and then WWII was new to me and gave an excellent background for Vidal's times. Couldn't recommend more highly.

The Imperial Capitals of China (2007) by Arthur Cotterell was particularly interesting to me as it was a dynastic survey from Shang times of Chinese civilization, focusing on successive capital cities. This was a particularly interesting perspective for me having not too long ago spent almost a year in Kyoto, the town planning of which in the 9th century was based on principles adopted from Tang Chang'an. It has numerous location maps of both empires and cities. Much of the late Qing times I'd previously not understood much about and this book explained clearly the complex 19thC relationships in China between the Japanese and European powers and the Manchus. This volume is not too specialised and provides an excellent historical canvas of China.

Syria: an Historical Appreciation (1946) by Robin Fedden is unusual for "travel" books in that it describes the authors travels in Syria in order of the times of the archaeological sites he was visiting. He is a very well informed narrator on a land of immense importance throughout history. The book, which I came across at the thrift shop in the free bin, I brought home because of my interest in some background to current events and places there, as it has endpaper maps and many pages of B&W photos of places of interest.

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 No.12843

>>12790

Bumping this. Good luck to you!

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 No.12844

File: fb7de56576788cd⋯.jpg (38.48 KB, 386x500, 193:250, BookCoverImage.jpg)

It's amazing though some parts in the economics and philosophy sometimes got a bit advanced for me, I'll probably have to re-read it a few more times after I do some extra readings in those areas.

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 No.12847

File: 0e3e6eb3ade6e5b⋯.jpg (17.71 KB, 240x240, 1:1, mises snapchat.jpg)

>>12844

Beautiful! I also found this book great. I think I understood most of it, but it's quite advanced stuff, yeah.

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 No.12859

>>12843

Thanks, but I gave up.

I already wasted 4-5 hours looking for it, in vain.

I'll convince myself that that poem, dementia, was indeed what I was looking for, and that there was no other poem.

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 No.12892

>>12843

it's a sticky. but i appreciate the sentiment.

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 No.12900

>>12892

Thanks! I guess that makes me worst autist of all the time.

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 No.12914

File: 7aa849e28a0dfb1⋯.jpg (214.9 KB, 935x1316, 935:1316, 623.jpg)

this like it a lot

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 No.12919

Only 80 pages till Gravity's Rainbow is done and I want to kill myself.

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 No.12931

File: 01a90a4e89c998e⋯.jpg (63.17 KB, 307x475, 307:475, Sailor of Austria.jpg)

It's alright, it's just that a whole chapter and the ending were about Otto's love and felt pointless.

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 No.12952

>>12914

one of those books i started but could not get further…

i need to work on my endurance.

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 No.13000

File: b8ea2e98cec1887⋯.jpg (19.8 KB, 296x475, 296:475, stoner.jpg)

>>8441

stoner, loved it

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 No.13007

I just finished the three volumes of the History of Religious Ideas by Mircea Eliade, they were very interesting and surprisingly accessible. I think the layout of the last volume is meant to be semi-instructive, as he focuses on recent (1500s-onward) mysticism and asceticism in a western Christian context, then juxtaposes it with a final chapter that covers the entire religious history of Tibet (which at the time of publication was a very popular subject), drawing comparisons between the spiritual development of the Catholic Church, which exclusively focuses on exoteric religion (bar now almost empty monasteries) and the Tibetan Buddhist acceptance of a wide array of esoteric/initiatic practices under the umbrella of the theocracy. It's interesting that the one with power is the one that doesn't stress extreme doctrinal conformity between practicioners (within limits obviously).

Also the last mentioned exercise in the book is to imagine yourself as a giant glowing cosmic skeleton breathing the flames of the universe. Thought it was pretty neat.

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 No.13012

>>13007

That sounds pretty interesting, but flaming skeleton wut

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 No.13027

>>13012

The exercise creates a perception of total hotheadedness, which must cool off or get out of here before the DWP guy can come.

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 No.13034

>>12919

by this you mean it's so good you don't want it to stop?

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 No.13040

File: 133152f9c79bf2b⋯.jpg (2 KB, 122x160, 61:80, download.jpg)

This book sucks big balls

Not a single good haiku

not recommended

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 No.13041

File: c96c7b1d1765931⋯.jpg (7.95 KB, 197x255, 197:255, download.jpg)

>A life by Italo Svevo

Pretty pretty good, felt connected with the idiot mc, Alfonso and his shitty job but especially with his love-hate relationship with life.

Mrs Carolina is best girl

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 No.13044

>>13041

have you read zeno's coscience?

because

>>13041

> felt connected with the idiot mc

i also felt that when i read that one.

>>13040

>reading poetry not in the original language

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 No.13067

File: f7594e9e11b36cf⋯.jpg (46.78 KB, 324x499, 324:499, Aristophanes 1.jpg)

File: 956afad58f762ea⋯.jpg (30.17 KB, 323x499, 323:499, Aristophanes 2.jpg)

File: 02ae0d11d90bb82⋯.jpg (37.43 KB, 306x499, 306:499, Aristophanes 3.jpg)

File: be68ebb5efa4135⋯.jpeg (10.47 KB, 191x293, 191:293, Menander.jpeg)

File: 0039d92d3f4c13c⋯.jpeg (10.58 KB, 191x293, 191:293, Thucydides.jpeg)

>>12435

Here are the books I've read:

Birds and Other Plays, Frogs and Other Plays, and Lysistrata and Other Plays by Aristophanes

Plays and Fragments of Menander

The Peloponnesian War by Thucydides

Although the definition of ancient comedy is inequivalent to that of modern comedy, elements that can be construed as characteristic of modern comedy can be found in Aristophanes with his puns and his, often crass, jokes, but in consideration of his high ranking—the highest place he held that I can recall is second place—in the Dionysian Festival, it makes one reflect upon whether society has ever changed. Later, in Alexandrian era in which Menander lived, I found that archetypes, storylines, and themes that are still "relevant" were present in his works. Amusingly, after I recognized this, I read the review on the back of the book confirming it. Because of this, Menander, in comparison with Aristophanes and his wit, seemed quite banal, besides the few differences found in the ancient lifestyle, i.e., slavery and such.

I've sixty pages left of Thucydides and am more and more coming to the conclusion that man is primordial. We have dissembled our nature quite successfully in these last two to three hundred years, however, believing that by partitioning the world between the poles of antiquity and modernity we'll efface it from reality. From this the only conclusion I can arrive at is modern man is an illusion.

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 No.13068

>>13067

>>13067

>From this the only conclusion I can arrive at is modern man is an illusion.

i hope so.

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 No.13073

>>13067

>>13068

the disjointed notion that the ancients would be strange to us like aliens, is the same poz-load that aims to erase history to make way for the commie kike nwo. They would fair much better adapting to our would than people today could adapt to theirs. The people have not changed but with technology the parasitic societal filth that is propped up by it has now overtaken the cultural norms of society.

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 No.13111

I have not read a book since Highschool and even then I really didnt read. But I finished reading The Wind Up Bird Chronicle and I thought it was good. Werid but good, not many likable characters, my next book is I am going to read is Lord of the Flies.

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 No.13154

>>13111

It's awesome that you decided to take this up after such an abstinence. Enjoy it!

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 No.13167

>>13111

checked.

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 No.13226

Finished the Richest man in Babylon. Now I understand why my Grandfather was a Millionaire while I'm almost broke.

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 No.13234

>>13012

One of the exoteric justifications for the exercise is the notion of the skeletal structure as the body's correspondence to the mineral sphere of being, so the exercise is a reduction and expansion of the personal consciousness/awareness down into sub-personality and outward into extrinsic space.

The most recent book I finished was "Gods of the Ancient Northmen" by Dumezil, which was very sweet but focused more on Indo-Iranian texts than specifically Germanic/Scandinavian ones. Obviously this is partially due to methodology, but it made me crave the Gitas.

Just started "Zurvan: A Zoroastrian Dilemna" by Zaehner, which is dry but full of interesting facts about the second Persian Empire's inquisitions against heresy.

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 No.13235

>>13067

Indeed, the same exact notions of "modernity" have occured several times in recorded history, and probably crop up amid the peaks of the various waves of urbanization (of which were are in the fourth or fifth depending on how one counts the various Bronze Age collapses).

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 No.13284

I think I might start posting here tbh. Or so I hope. Or maybe not. I kind of want to fully quit imageboards and focus on reading books instead, however I also want some form of social contact.

Also, how come you haven't migrated from here? I'd have suggested endchan but really any chan will do that isn't owned by a US govt freemason anti-white pig farmer

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 No.13314

File: e6fccfe1bd73456⋯.jpg (21.18 KB, 310x480, 31:48, Tragedy_of_Cambodian_Hist_….jpg)

Was a pretty good book. Quick review is 7/10.

Longer review:

It gave an extraordinarily detailed view of Cambodian politics from 1945-1975. In fact almost too detailed, a lot of times it felt like it dragged the reader through minor details. The first 150 pages are quite slow and dense, but after that the book really picks up. This is of course no fault of the writer. It is simply the nature of Cambodian history that it didn't get, for lack of a better word, exciting till about 1965. By the end of the book, a lot can be learned about the political situation leading up to Pol Pot's horrific regime in the late 70s. However, the description of his regime given in the book does a very poor job of actually capturing the horrors of his regime. I was fortunate enough to read the book as I was traveling through Cambodia(bought it at the genocide museum in Pnomh Penh), and it was an informative compliment to the museums and tours I went on day to day. However without those added, physical experiences, I fear that the book does not do a good enough job of capturing the horrifying realities of Pol Pot's regime and thus does the reader a disservice.

Sometimes the writing can feel a little unorganized, but it is often difficult to manage so many separate accounts of so many different scenarios. It is not the fault of the writer, but rather of the history itself. It cannot be denied that it is a well written and extensive account of Cambodian politics.

Side note: it can be difficult to remember Cambodian names if one is not accustomed to them. You might find yourself turning back every few pages to remember who is who. Maybe write them down on a piece of paper along with a short description to aid your reading.

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 No.13323

>>13234

>"Zurvan: A Zoroastrian Dilemna" by Zaehner, which is dry

My initial impressions were far from correct. This book is fucking fantastic. Zaehner's thesis is that Imperial Mazdeanism (aka Zoroastrianism as it is properly understood) is actually a compromise between the imperial cult's whim's and that peasant and ascetic faith that he terms Zervanism.

Zervanism, in Zaehner's conception, is religious that resolves the problem of evil by placing it in the core of the godhead: the entire universe exists as an ascetic purgation of Desire (Az) from God (Zurvan). Desire is understood not as an external force but as incomplete self-reflection, and is an animal and animating impulse that proceeds thought.

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 No.13354

File: f69ccdf903bd5e9⋯.jpg (449.82 KB, 512x780, 128:195, johnLaw01.jpg)

Just finishing this 1840s historical novel on John Laws. Crappy writing, but an astonishing narrative.

Anyone have any further books on this topic - Paris in the 1720s mania and the Louisiana Bubble? Any PDFs, torrents or even just titles/authors for me to follow up gratefully appreciated.

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 No.13360

File: cfc82d56d533c99⋯.jpg (25.69 KB, 251x346, 251:346, 41LnGnU40TL._SY344_BO1,204….jpg)

I am 111 pages into this. So far, it is an excellent overview of Russian avant-garde art history and theory. This is the first thing I've read on art theory, history or criticism, and I have found it to be very accessible. I would recommend it.

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 No.13362

>>13360

>modern "art"

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 No.13416

File: 009585b76ab9bf9⋯.jpg (154.55 KB, 512x806, 256:403, HCS8930-1.jpg)

i read plenty books daily, most of them are audiobooks though, because of everyday "get to the job" routine.

Recently i fount this little pearl of romantic beauty.

Ernest Theodore Amadeus Hoffman - Devil's Elixirs.

Well, for me it was slow at the start, bloody breathtaking through the middle and until the very end. Ending got me surprised, yet this author truly deserves all the Glory he gets should have been getting.

A bit of detective (one of the first of its kind), a bit of adventure, a bit of theology, a little bit of Machiavellian seduce&poison games, a tiniest bit of fantasy (which turns out to be truth all the way) and a HUGE chunk of Christianity and its overhelming power over people.

I would recommend it even to the most hard-core leftists.

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 No.13423

Finished the first volume of The Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn, i.e. Parts 1 and 2 of 7 total. Full of black humor and firsthand accounts of the Gulag system from either Solzhenitsyn's own experience or from testimony he collected (sometimes while he was in the Gulag himself). The first part focused on the Cheka/GPU/NKVD and the omnipresent arrests made by the Soviet government against 'politicals' (whether they were guilty or not) beginning all the way back in 1920 as Soviet power began to be established. Interrogation methods and prison conditions are also examined quite closely. Part two focuses on transport to the Gulag. The so-called Gulag Archipelago is the archipelago of gulags within the Soviet state because each gulag is like an island unto itself. Interspersed with much of the description of the system are Solzhenitsyn's own journey through the Gulag system. I'm looking forward to reading the next two volumes but it's the kind of book that weighs you down so I think I'm going to take a break with something lighter first. Here's one passage I found interesting:

>Decades passed and time produced its own results. The hunger strike - the first and most natural weapon of the prisoner - in the end became alien and incomprehensible to the prisoners themselves. Fewer and fewer desired to undertake them. And to prison administrations the whole thing began to seem either plain stupidity or else a malicious violation.

>When, in 1960, Gennady Smelov, a nonpolitical offender, declared a lengthy hunger strike in the Leningrad prison, the prosecutor went to his cell for some reason (perhaps he was making his regular rounds) and asked him: "Why are you torturing yourself?"

>And Smelov replied: "Justice is more important to me than life."

>This phrase so astonished the prosecutor with its irrelevance that the very next day Smelov was taken to the Leningrad Special Hospital (i.e. the insane asylum) for prisoners. And the doctor there told him:

>"We suspect you might be schizophrenic."

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 No.13432

>>8441

I just finished The Life and Death of Yukio Mishima. I enjoyed it, but I wouldn't recommend it as an introduction to Mishima's work. The author tries too hard to direct you to preferred works rather than allowing the reader to develop their own opinions. Still a good read.

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 No.13434

File: 9559df90d01e898⋯.jpg (96.13 KB, 334x518, 167:259, LordOfTheFliesBookCover.jpg)

Meh. Not sure what to think of it.

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 No.13438

File: 7dd5cea0e141b47⋯.jpg (176.68 KB, 931x1024, 931:1024, 931px-Shevchenko_Musicians.jpg)

>>13362

avant-garde =/= modern fam

The first half of the book is mostly about neoprimitivism (pic related) and cubofuturism. There is some abstract stuff later on (rayism), but no postmodern bullshit.

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 No.13578

File: bb47b94e542b492⋯.jpg (20.89 KB, 300x462, 50:77, John_Law.jpg)

OK dudes - finished two excellent books over the weekend. Firstly a biography, John Law: The History of an Honest Adventurer by H Montgomery Hyde (1948), the Scottish economist who lived 1671 to 1729. This is a work of truly first class scholarship and in my view an enormously important book for anyone with even a passing interest in the financial world and MMT in particular.

John Law devised the banking system of paper money backed by the monetisation of the national debt, the world's first credit based financial system that exploded in the financial collapse of the Mississippi Company bubble and the Paris stock market in 1720. This was the deluge apres Louis XIV. The author explains clearly the process whereby financial bubbles form, expand and then pop. Fascinating parallels to global credit bubble of today.

The second book, which has been my evening bathbook for a couple of weeks, was Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte. Yeah, I know, but I cannot believe I've never before been encouraged sufficiently to read this exceptional work. It'd always been my impression that the book was yet just another of those pre-Victorian women writers' "to marry or not to marry" narratives, until I came across several comments concerning the work recently which said what an absolutely unique book this is. And having read it, I agree.

Wuthering Heights is a powerful study in evil. It's terrifying in its character portrayal and disturbing to a contemporary reader to conceive that the human natures that perpetrate such schemes upon the lives of others, continuing over the course of generations, remains part of social behaviour today.

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 No.13647

I am currently reading book 4 of the Earth's Children series, The Plains of Passage by Jean M. Auel, and I just got through a chapter all about the mating rituals and habits of mammoths fucking, with the MC, a stronk womyn Mary Sue (literally invented a hole bunch of shit before her 20th birthday, including making fire with flint and pyrite), getting horny and being cock-thirsty at the size of the huge mammoth cock which was mentioned repeatedly, while her boyfriend was right beside her (she got Blacked hard in the previous book and cucked her one true love who also has a massive dong that completely fills her enormous pussy, he seriously tells her that not many women can take ALL HIS DONG but he forgave her and took her back because multicultualism) and jesus christ.

I'm at the point where I want to stop with this series but I'm invested now.

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 No.13663

File: 672c856ec4039d6⋯.jpeg (8.67 KB, 198x293, 198:293, The Iliad.jpeg)

File: c56c138d524bea3⋯.jpg (30.43 KB, 311x499, 311:499, Homeric Hymns.jpg)

File: 0eaa13df4e1d631⋯.jpeg (16.02 KB, 195x293, 195:293, The Trojan War—A New Hist….jpeg)

File: 0f7cc541959e4d8⋯.jpeg (9.75 KB, 200x293, 200:293, The Odyssey.jpeg)

File: 40f0aac06d5b12b⋯.jpeg (10.59 KB, 196x293, 196:293, The Cambridge Companion t….jpeg)

>>13067

Here are the next books I read:

The Iliad, The Odyssey, and The Homeric Hymns by Homer

The Trojan War: A New History by Strauss

The Cambridge Companion to Greek and Roman Theatre by various authors.

I have to say that the inclusion of 'The Trojan War: A New History in /lit/ infographic imparts to me that when that pic was compiled that a high schooler had been amongst the posters to submit a rather atrociously bland book, although reading it was not completely in vain as I did take some information from it. The Cambridge Companion was a difficult book (or, I should clarify, a few articles were) and, besides a few scintillating articles, was not my cup of tea. To my surprise, I liked The Odyssey more than I liked The Iliad''—as I align more with Achilles' worldview of philotimia and honesty as compared to Odysseus' of cunning and craftiness.

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 No.13670

File: 951b000e997640b⋯.jpg (451.67 KB, 1392x969, 464:323, carcassonne.jpg)

HENRY JAMES - A Little Tour in France (1882)

A snapshot of Victorian era travel for the leisured class when cultural tourism was both pleasant and worthwhile. Not a great work by any means, but James' dry, perceptive style provides interesting insight into the times and places he visits. Parallels to Henry Adams' and Proust's observations on French historic architecture. I'd never known of Carcassonne (see image) which for James was a highlight of his tour.

JOAN DIDION - The Last Thing He Wanted

Middleclass female fantasy fiction inflating self significance and excessive consumption. Sigh. A cogent reminder as to why I read so few contemporary novels. Warrants no image …

“A moral thriller on the order of one of Graham Greene’s.”— Los Angeles Times “She is of that small group of great living writers whom readers can be said to love.”— New York magazine “Stunning…. It is a meditation on power and memory, on truth and consequences, and on the heartbreaking need for a magic equation that will make sense of our confusing world.”— Seattle Post-Intelligencer “Even nonfans will have a hard time letting go of The Last Thing He Wanted until they’ve raced through to the last page.” — Newsweek“ She writes taut and sharp. Her disquieting novels are short but never light. And they are all too few and far between.” — St. Louis Post-Dispatch “The marvelous gifts of observation and rendering that make her nonfiction so telling and alive are working in this book.” — Minneapolis Star Tribune “Didion is one of our true stylists. Her sentences have the … precision of a Wodehouse or a Waugh.” — Newsday

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 No.13749

File: f9cba0a526963e0⋯.jpg (33.34 KB, 334x500, 167:250, kiyosawa0.jpg)

A Diary of Darkness - Kiyosawa Kiyoshi

Princeton University Press 1999

A highly important book describing the first hand experience of living in Tokyo throughout the Second World War. The descent of society into a bleak and harrowing struggle for survival is like nothing I've read before other than perhaps Defoe's Journal of the Plague Year (which written two generations afterwards was fictional although no doubt based on stories of those who'd lived through 1665). Even Pepys cannot depict the catastrophes of the great fire and plague year with the power or immediacy that Kiyosawa brings to the firebombings of 1945.

Kiyosawa was an historian and writer for serious journals, had been educated in the States and spoke excellent English and therefore contributed at a high level to government policy debate mainly on foreign affairs and diplomacy, I guess much like a top think-tank celebrity does today. He observes and details the increasing militarism of government administration. As the war progressed and life became more challenging, he spent his days increasing in the countryside farming vegetables and commuting to his Tokyo home where his family remained.

A theme I found curious was how, as the war turned against the Japanese, the prevalence of fake news increased, deliberately creating mass delusions which disturbed Kiyosawa greatly being totally contrary to what he could see with his eyes about him and to the privileged information to which he had access concerning what was taking place overseas and within Japan. He describes how rumours became a universal means of intermediating public opinion. In all, a very thought provoking read.

Although the Meiji era saw feudal Japan move into a society where control by the aristocrats was shared with industrialists, the almost complete destruction of all Japan's cities at the conclusion of WW2 and subsequent occupation erased much of the traditional values in favour of 20th century material greed. To follow Kiyosawa, a week ago I started rereading Mishima's Spring Snow, set in the early Taisho days, depicting top shelf Japanese society in an almost Dickensian way. The estates of the upper class in Tokyo at this time were 100 acres in size, with houses, gardens and pond, servants' quarters and stables and surrounded by high walls. Remnants of such villas may still be found in the Nanzen-ji neighbourhood in Kyoto.

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 No.13755

>>9451

This is a classic. Can't believe I forgot about Maddox, he was a pioneer of pre-smartphone web culture.

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 No.13799

File: 305cba35fa4a775⋯.jpg (24.43 KB, 324x499, 324:499, 41DobABvv0L._SX322_BO1,204….jpg)

The Myth Of Sisyphus. Camus' work on absurdism remains as some of the favorite books I've read. Right now, I'm still struggling to get through Phenomenology of Spirit, good thing I found a glossary online explaining how Hegel uses certain words.

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 No.13806

>>13799

At least he was clear at the beginning that he thinks consciousness is important, even most important, so I could give up right away.

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 No.13839

File: 721b4dc02ab0028⋯.jpg (52.43 KB, 312x500, 78:125, 978.jpg)

In my post above 13749 I mentioned I'd started Spring Snow and I posted a review of this in the Mishima thread. Since, I've finished Faulkner's Light in August which was the second book of his I've read. I find his piquant sentences difficult reading - indeed after completing Sound and Fury some years back I immediately reread it to see if it made more sense once one had more of a grounding in his style.

I must say I find his writing extraordinarily evocative of the place and time, but the narrative very hard to follow. Through my first reading of S&F, the power and greatness of his sentences was very apparent and the reason I began it again to try to understand the work more clearly.

Having now read a second of his books I didn't feel I needed to reread it having now more context of Faulkner's unique style and his place in USA literature.

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 No.13840

File: 57f2c671689c8de⋯.jpg (34.07 KB, 318x475, 318:475, 8roberts.jpg)

The other book I completed was J M Roberts' The Triumph of the West published by the BBC in 1985 as a companion volume for a tv series of the same name. It's a history of how Western Europeans (inc now USA) came to dominate the entire planet politically and economically after the split in the Roman Empire.

The time the book was written is important to understanding the author's point of view because it takes very much a "one world order" perspective more or less contemporaneously with Fukuyama's End of History. Mankind would attain a perfect state - of democratic social welfare - from which no advance would happen. It's a concept very much of its time. No one today, for example, would see the UN as the ultimate guiding force to answer all political ills …

Surely these days everyone appreciates the limits to resource usage, population growth, and standards of living; science cannot overcome every challenge facing our species - Just ask Elon Musk.

Roberts very much seems to make the case that the nineteenth century premise that "there is ultimately nothing that man cannot achieve within the physical universe if only they approach their task seriously and methodically and are able and willing to put sufficient material and technical resources to work"

What greater force of economic power and will is there than the US military and they haven't won a war in forty years … wait, sorry … Grenada. Yay!

I've since started some late speculative essays by A J Toynbee (ca 1969) one of which is titled If Alexander the Great had Lived On. Toynbee was one of the greatest of the One Worlders and this essay follows a fictional exploration of Alexander's world government policies such as racial integration and meritocracy … an interesting work which to me illuminates the impossibility of these one world "perfect states" ever coming into being.

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 No.13878

Sorry, anons, I get a little lethargic in responding to posts.

>>13068

>I hope so

It is. The only difference we have is technology, which is just an instrument. Our motivations have never changed because they are based on the same emotions and desires as our ancestors. For example, in Livy, there was resistance to a land law that would redistribute land, and the patricians were against it because they would lose some of their property; similarly in China during the Songs, the "Song Dynasty", in order to fund projects, took land from its gentry, who resultantly became disenchanted to it.

>>13073

>The people have not changed but with technology the parasitic societal filth that is propped up by it has now overtaken the cultural norms of society.

Yes, however, don't mistake that the societal filth did not occur in past societies as everything has a tendency to decay, only through our developments did this filth flourish.

>>13235

>fourth or fifth

Which would those be? I would disagree and say there were more, but that's solely speculation on my part.

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 No.13967

Thread locked.

That's a wrap. Almost two years worth of anons book reading habits and reviews. New year, new thread.

I'll leave this up and stickied for now. Feel free to carry over any discussions into the new thread.

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