/lit/ - Literature★

Oh gawd ..

Can't. Stop. Laughing.

>>4397

Orwell was a Socialist and a supporter of Trotsky so yeah, he did endorse certain things.

>>5211

Go back to /pol/, antisemite scum.

>>5228

Eh, a little /pol/ now and then keeps the pot stirred. Plus the board has no particular dogmatic direction, and we're not exactly overflowing with content either.

Enjoy it as it was meant to be, with a laugh, and blow by it. Plenty of other stuff to amuse here as well. Ain't a bad thread at all.

>>5218

>expecting Stirner to be like Rand

What the fuck

It's literally radical individualism, why is that a dumb assumption to make?

>>5215

Sounds like a recommendation to me.

>>3930

check em

>>3963

I thought the movie ending made more sense than the book ending. I liked the idea of setting up Dr Manhattan rather than making up some random alien species you should check out "The Losers" from vertigo as well, the comic series was really amazing and well written

>>5689

Did you read past the first few chapters?

>>5690

Yeah. It was pretty decent.

>>3840

>La vida es sueño

Holy shit I didn't expect to find spanish literature in here

>>4500

I vaguely recall my high school english teacher telling us about some french book he read that had pornographic elements but ended up being a boring piece of shit. This might be the one he was referring to.

>>4389

you posted the same picture twice under what I expected and What I Got

>>3973

Goddamit anon

>>5321

The point is the common enemy.

In the movie, the whole plot behind the scenes has been degraded, because it is very complex in the original story. It was easier to make Manhattan the "big evil", than to establish the whole plot of Veidt.

But the point is the same: We must unite against a common enemy.

>>5211

>and he makes the hero of his silly book a Jew named Immanuel Goldstein

He makes the scapegoat of the book Goldstein, David Duke detected

>>5211

>USSR was run by da Jews

Yeah, that's why the Bolsheviks killed 300k Jews before the Nazi party was even a thing.

Go home, /pol, yer drunk.

>>5211

not understanding the minute of hate.

go back and read it again.

Plus Goldstein, never existed. (being the whole point).

>>5689

it has both.

>>7097

jews had always been a sizeable part of communist elites everywhere though, even the early soviet communist party, would you deny that?

>>7097

>/pol

You're showing your faggotry.

>>7111

if you've seen the movie first it can be a little misleading…

>>7111

I actually didn't, even though I'm a big fan of David Lynch. I heard it was pretty bad.

I just think I heard a lot of it being a Asimovian polemics epic, and that conjured certain images in my mind. I didn't know just how much politics and dialogue would be in it.

My picture is, of course, an exaggeration. The book isn't all bad. The first half tested my patience but the last third gets pretty good.

>>7111

>>7120

>>7125

Read the book first, saw the movie and mini-series much later.

Of the two, the movie or the miniseries, I preferred Lynch's. The visuals were more appealing, and he captured the epic feel of it more solidly. Additionally, the depiction of baron Harkonen was outstanding.

It is generally conceded that Lynch's is a poor adaption of Dune overall. Far more enjoyable as eye candy, and it did some things right. I agree it's not accurate -- weirdly inaccurate in some ways.

In contrast the mini-series is far more true to the novel. It's also not over the top as Lynch did it. Very well done and well worth watching.

But I still feel Lynch captured some aspects of Dune better than the mini-series did. In spite of all he did wrong making for a poorer adaption it remains my favorite.

Of course, the book is better than either.

>>7106

Please give one source that doesn't eventually link back to the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, then we'll talk.

>>7112

What's your beef?

>>7181

>>7180

This thread just turned into /pol/ so hey can't get any worse. The reason why Jews are over represented in Communism is because in the late 19th to early 20th centuries it was a way out of the ghettos. It also explains why it rose so quickly in Jew heavy Eastern Europe. Russia was three things before the revolution, the Tsar, Orthodoxy and the masses. Many writers from abroad talked about a "mystical bond" between them all. When the Tsar announced war against Germany from his palace balcony the people outside broke into a spontaneous rendition of God Save the Tsar. Even in 1905, Bloody Sunday from memory, when "protesters " were shot outside his palace by guards. They were singing hymns and carrying pictures of the Tsar. They genuinely believed that the Tsar was like their national father. Of course the guards had to fire on the crowd because they wouldn't stop advancing. Jews being Christ killers etc. were excluded from this feeling of belonging. Subject to pogroms, real or imagined, deserved or undeserved it created a lot of resentment. Communism was an ideology that was consistent with Judaism (as it is to an extent with all religions). These Jews mostly atheist, but culturally Jewish flocked to it. At last they could free themselves from persecution. The massive anti-Orthodox violence that came during and after the revolution is the release of 400 years of pent up angst and fury. They mellowed out as time went on. Now Eastern European Jewry in fact global Jewry saw the revolution in Russia, and like many left leaning non-Jews, saw it as the way of the future. For Jews Communism was the direct path to power for a people who had none. Now you get other Jews like Friedman and Ayn Rand who are not Commies in the slightest. The explanation is simply that not all Jews are the same. Biologically they're little difference to anyone else but they have a unique culture and historical memory which impacts them. I say 'them' because they are a lot more ethno-centric than Europeans. Anyway that's my reasoning

>>7221

you say it like i somewhat implied that there was/is an underlying jewish conspiracy. i do not.

>>7150

obviously never read Houellebecq before

Protip: He isn't endorsing MGTOW and not all protagonists are supposed to be likeable or act as surrogate self-inserts

>>7281

>Houellebecq

What the fuck is that name?

>>7333

what a waste of trips…

>>7336

waste of a q tbh

>>7339

the french are not known for sparing Qs or not surrendering.

>>7340

I know but they usually throw a u and an e in there to give the q company. This one is just chucked all alone onto the end of the name, when it would do perfectly well with just the c.

>>7344

dutchs do that too

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frans_Banning_Cocq

france banning cock…lel, as if they could live without

>>7345

What an ugly name… and inaccurate, too.

>>5694

no, it's a shit book high school english teachers love because muh surrealism + muh sexy tailed foreigners.

>>7126

it's a poor adaptation because the movie studio aborted jodorowky's dune then brought lynch in and told him that instead of reworking it from the ground up he had to resuscitate the cold dead fetus corpse.

>>3840

whats the last picture suppossed to mean?

>>4561

noice

>>7564

it's really not a bad book.

helped me dispel certain misconceptions i had about enlightenment.

>>7559

Is this for a real book? I'm intrigued.

>>7611

there is a thread about it

http://8ch.net/lit/res/7557.html

>>5740

Read that in high school. Something told me the author likes the thicker girls.

>>7538

I loved this. Maybe it is because I am not born in a first world country. It is perhaps the most realistic book I ever read.

>>7697

a very apt choice of pics.

>>7701

ok. you got me interested.

>>5211

emmanuel goldstein isn't the hero, he either doesn't exist or was one of the major figures in the revolution hat the party turned on. kind of like trotsky or someone else that became at odds with stalin

as for the jews running the USSR: during the russian revolution the bolsheviks did not have many jews at all, and the mensheviks were mostly jews. a bolshevik joked once that all they had to do was have another pogrom to win.

i don't know how many jews were in charge in the USSR later but i would think many would be purged if they were mostly mensheviks. people who were ever a part of a party other than the bolsheviks would definitely be targeted for execution or the gulags. later on stalin specifically targeted jews in the late 40s and into the 50s because they weren't assimilating apparently.

if the USSR was a "jewish organization" then why would they go against their own?

>>7733

are the books good though?

>>7738

The first two are great, nothing mindblowing but fun fantasy romps all the same.

Tombs of Atuan is my favorite for the first half alone and I was honestly disappointed when (minor spoiler) Sparrowhawk turned up to steal the show.

The third is pretty good, but in many ways feels like more of the same if not a weaker mirror of the first book.

The fourth is definitely not the same and unfortunately not for the better. The writing style is completely different and the scope is much, much smaller. The worst offense for me is that Le Guin uses my favorite character, the protagonist from the second book, and completely changes what was her implied fate in the previous stories in order to shoehorn her into a role as Le Guin's self insert; a depressed, lonely old woman who blames men for all her bad life decisions.

There are no adventures in the fourth book, most of the actual written words form 2nd and 3rd wave feminist dialogues between the self insert and an old hag witch; it feels as out of place as it sounds and I struggled to get through the whole thing as I was not expecting it. The self inserts inner feminist monologues that sound more like the author trying to sort her own feminist feelings out in her head but mistakenly inserted them into a novel also occur with near constant frequency. Actual content outside of these diatribes is few on the ground, and every female character has either been raped, beaten or oppressed by the male characters; I think they only exception was a butch farmhand, but It's been a while since I read so I could be mistaken. Male characters are presented either as unintelligent beaters and rapers or as apathetic weaklings that are holding women back. Le Guin is not at all subtle with her strawmen, it's incredibly obvious, vitriolic and out of place.

I wish I was exaggerating, but I'm not.

Earthsea was originally a trilogy and I strongly recommend it be read as such. I've have no problem with crazy people writing novels, but Tehanu is so wildly different from everything that was Earthsea I struggle to understand why Le Guin didn't just write a series of feminist essay's instead of ruining the world she originally wrote when she was sane.

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>>7766

why the japanese soldiers?

why the filename?

>>7768

Because the tsuranni were basically nips.

Because it was the first word to come into my head.

>>7776

>Because it was the first word to come into my head.

i know that feel.

>>7792

wat?

>>7794

oh, the OP.

>>7792

>implying being gay isn't manly as all fuck

>implying fucking a buff guy in the ass is somehow less manly than fucking a small woman in the ass

>>7933

kinda like david wong's books.

except that they waste nothing since they are shit to begin with.

>>7929

yes and no.

assuming that snowball in animal farm is trotsky, i'd say that despite its depiction is overall positive, orwell would have ended breaking stones in siberia or whatever.

>>7993

Is David Wong that idiot from cracked who kept shilling his books in every single one of his articles? Damn, that guy was pissing me off after a while. His articles were basically that cool scene from Glengarry Glen Ross, except David Wong was never Alec Baldwin.

>>5694

If you are reading a translated version, don't even bother.

>>7686

Are you wetback, amigo?

I really like that book because why some people think it's stupid and too surrealist, even the most crazy stories from Cien Años de Soledad are just as crazy as the things my father told me about when he was a kid (1950' in Chile).

>>7997

i think so.

>>8035

>>8035

i guess you hadn't seen this.

still, it really feel like it was written by a jew. someone rootless.

like the part when she says that women do not really like children because there are hundreds of millions of starving nigglets, yet women seem to prefer their own children.

>>8050

I'm pretty sure it's always been that way. I've had that pic since about 2012

>>8054

Fedora man was a maymay before 2012. Then again, I've seen fedoraman be used against a number of different types of people. I'm pretty sure no matter how he stated he's now just a weak strawman against anyone you don't like.

>>8050

>Wasn't le funny hat man associated with white knights and reddit-tier atheists? How exactly did it get associated with MRA and libertarian strawmen as well?

Because there are people are people on both sides of those divides that embody the stereotype more than likely.

>>8050

it was coopted by feminist meme warriors

>>8050

I think the essence of le intellectual warrior is that of a pretentious dick who has achieved nothing in life, yet is full of himself because he's supposedly intellectually and morally superior to everyone else. Some atheists are like that, some libertarians, commies and even fascists are like that, and pretty much every person who has ever taken a fixed side in the gender war is like that. As is often the case, though, people eventually forgot what le classy hat guy actually symbolized.

>>8075

Everyone in the gender war is like that. A telltale sign of a fedora is that it believes that whoever disagrees with it has been brainwashed. Not just led astray, not just suffering from some (or even a lot of) logical fallacies, but brainwashed. Fedoras go out of their way to deny the autonomy of anyone who dares disagree with them, except the people they claim are malevolent. Feminists do that with their concept of internalized misogyny; MRA's don't have their own term for it, but they also believe their opposition has been mentally enslaved.

Sage for doublepost.

>>7766

accurate as fuck.

It was a pretty fucking good trip, too, if you ask me.

>>8096

When I read it, I got a bunch of gibberish and ultraviolence. The rest seems accurate.

>>8096

so you thought the movie was a bad adaptation?

>>8097

The penguin book came with an introduction where they explain some of the slang. I've also been teaching myself Russian so it wasn't that confusing at all.

>>8100

The last time I watched the movie was when I was around 13 so I may have forgotten specific details. Did they ever show Alex's parents? I also don't remember them using the slang and also wasn't the milk they drink just normal? Also Kubrick only read the American edition of the novel which was censored so he fucked up the ending.

>>8110

Also Alex is 14 at the start of the book, wasn't he an adult in the film?

>>8110

I understood it too, after a few pages. So gibberish may hae been the wrong word.

>>8110

>Did they ever show Alex's parents? I also don't remember them using the slang and also wasn't the milk they drink just normal?

yes they do.

yes they use it.

no, it's not normal milk.

>>8119

dang, the only scenes I remember are the gang going all like horrorshow tolchocking vecks and devotchkas

>>8126

it might sound silly but i happened to rewatch it very recently and i noticed for the first time alex's "eye" cufflinks.

and they are showed several times and in detail.

>>7929

Orwell had much more respect for Trotsky than Stalin, but judging by Animal Farm he still thought him a scumbag. Remember that Snowball did jew the other animals just as much as the other pigs.

Even 1984 implies he didn't have much love for the kike bastard because Goldstein knew exactly what was going on and went along with the revolution anyway.

>>7733

Why are you reading Ursula?

She's actively keeping new authors from hardcore Asimovian polemics, preventing them from joining organizations, preventing them from even publishing through her links with Tor publishing. Simply because those new authors are white men.

Ursula is evil as fuck, don't buy her shit.

>>7702

lol

Thank god I'm not the only guy on /lit/ that reads state department documents.

>>8189

haven't read it.

what keeps me away from it is that i've heard about it precisely what your assessment says.

>>8189

Have you read Proust? Are they comparable?

>>8194

You actually asked about a book that's eerily similar to moby dick.

I picked up swans way in university because our prof couldn't stop talking about it. The book was a major let down, it's basically a mary sue tumblr oppression marathon. I guess people into goth/emo subculture could get it because it's so depressing.

Anyway the eery part is that moby dick is hard to get through because of really shitty sentence structure, whereas swans way has similar problems with run on plot points (because of french translation? idk).

Moby dick has weird subtexts of homoeroticism among the crew, swans way has weird subtexts of cuckoldry and incest.

it's basically the same book, just written by an englishman vs a frenchman.

>>8194

>>8207

I feel like they are fairly different, although I can see how one would consider them to be pretty similar. Certainly they're both long books that are hard to get into.

The short version of the difference is that Moby Dick belongs with epics, and Proust belongs with novels. The longer version is that there are two principal differences in the experience of reading and in the central theme. Reading Proust is like floating down a river on an inner tube. I don't know how widespread that experience is, but I'll try to describe what I mean. You don't feel like you have much control over what happens or where you are going, sometimes its beautiful and sometimes its uncomfortable and eventually you end up at the end. Moby Dick, by comparison, is like riding a rollercoaster with lots and lots of hills. You don't necessarily make a lot more total progress, but you get tossed around a lot more, and I think it feels faster, even without making more progress.

Furthermore, In Search of Lost Time is all about life. Its about remembering random things from long ago and catching glimpses of pretty girls and realizing that you're getting older and finding out how to recognize gay people. Its full of memories and self doubt and pointless parties where no one really likes each other but everyone feels obligated to attend. Moby Dick is about death. Its about finding yourself in the wilderness, and about being eclipsed by things far vaster than you are, and about being face to face with Death's avatar.

>>8207

>a mary sue tumblr oppression marathon

I really wouldn't describe In Search of Lost Time as that. It definitely doesn't have the special snowflake mentality.

>swans way has similar problems with run on plot points

Nah, that's just the style it's written in (stream of consciousness)

>Moby dick has weird subtexts of homoeroticism among the crew

Are you sure this isn't like the "Frodo and Sam (Lord of the Rings) are gay" kind of thing? People are interpreting the book with a more modern =degenerate mindset?

>swans way has weird subtexts of cuckoldry and incest

I know the part of incest, but where is the cuckoldry? Wait, wasn't Swann's wife a whore or something?

>written by an englishman vs a frenchman.

Melville was American, though and Proust was half-Jewish---explains the incest

>>8242

You don't know what the word "plot" means: it means "that which happens". You could write a boring as hell story, but that does not mean the story has no plot. Perhaps you meant to say "excitement", or would that make you sound too much like a pleb who only enjoys thrillers.

>>8279

Which dictionary has that definition or etymology?

>>8281

You don't know what etymology means: it means "the study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed ". Did I talk about the origin of the word "plot"?

I took my definition of the word "plot" from "Writing in General and the Short Story in Particular", but every dictionary will give you something similar: a three second google search will say "Plot is a literary term used to describe the events that make up a story or the main part of a story. ".

What definition of plot exists that allows you to say "Moby Dick has no plot"?

>>8283

I didn't say that. There is a difference from "that which happens" and "a literary term used to describe the events that make up a story or the main part of a story". Giving information on whales is neither an event nor a plot. But it is a digression.

>ignorant of the word etymology

No, I couldn't find a definition that matches what you said. So I thought it may be etymologically based because I've seen a lot of etymologies with "that which…". Secondly, I said "definition or etymology" because I'd already looked both up.

>>8110

You need to read it twice.

>>7723

>Wikipedia as a source

lol

>>7097

>Yeah, that's why the Bolsheviks killed 300k Jews before the Nazi party was even a thing.

never heard of that. source?

>>8389

>>8389

you can read gilad atzmon's "the wandering who" or dennis pragers's "why the jews?" or this

http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Israel.Shahak/Jewish.History.Jewish%20Religion-The.Weight.of.Three.Thousand.Years.pdf

and some others right now i don't rememeber.

they all have a somewhat different outlook on jews and judaism but the facts are usually sorta verifiable.

you must understand that i'm not going to get to those books which i keep a few kilometers from here and scan them just so that i can "win" a debate with some guy or girl on the internet.

*prager

>>8242

>It's amazing how someone can write a novel over 600 pages without any plot

Have you read any Joyce, perchance?

>>8575

Or Proust, for that matter.

>>8598

but there is democracy in starship troopers.

the idea, as far as i understood it, so i might have taken it incredibly wrong, is that vote is given to people that have proven to care more about the greater good than their own personal interests.

>>8604

and yes, heinlein was an actually interesting guy.

>>8604

>the idea…is that vote is given to people that have proven to care more about the greater good than their own personal interests.

True, but it's much closer to an aristocracy than democracy (like the early US vs the US now). If you look at how few of the US, for example, is in the military (0.3% of the total population iirc), it's conceivable the Federation is run by less than 1% of the human population, high single digits tops.

I haven't read Plato's Republic, but I'm aware of the concept of 'Guardians' acting as a benevolent elite presiding over the rest of society.

Or it could be I made the mistake of reading Troopers before Plato.

>>8657

probably, but unlike aristocracy, you can join anytime.

>>8598

>>8605

4U!

>>8666 (checked)

>>8693

what?

>>3868

I've always thought 1985 was better.

>>8660

pretty much this, because it's not a rigid caste system I would call it more of a meritocracy. Aristocrats not because their dads and grandfathers were, but because they're 40 year old virgins with a half-dozen phds.

>>9422

did carlos ascend to a greater state of being?

>>9426

this guy tho

anti fa

literal boat people in his book

galactic racial homogeneity

final master race of the universe intelligent carpets living on neutron stars or group mind worms

no

>>9422

>Olaf Stapledon

fuck yes

>>3868

Fuck this was my reaction.

>>9506

That happened to me as well. I got the book expecting to read a "love has no age" thing, but instead I got the same thing that happened to my grandma for the most part

>>7096

Ayyyyy buena elección

>>5321

The squid is a meta-commentary n the absurdity of comic books as a medium.

also this:

>>5907

>>7221

This is very interesting. Could you tell me where you found your sources pls? Just personal interest.

>>10756

According to that guide i shouldn't like the prequel dune by franks son.

Oops

>>9652

i don't get the animu pic and pills, please explain.

>>10775

Pills are sleeping pills. Because the book is better at making you fall asleep than sleeping pills.

Now, the anime pic is Bakemonogatari, a much, much more shitty version of genji no monogatari (it really is) aimed at retards.

Basically its supposed to represent shitty modern jap literature (ie murakami).

>>10765

unrelated but do you think they're canon?

>>10806

Yeah why wouldn't they be? They dont shit on the legacy really, and some parts like the mentat thing being robotic in origin was kinda cool. The only part i remember getting pissed at was the meteor misunderstanding, killing off like 3 or 4 characters for no reason

>>10806

>>10818

>Canon?

A hotly debated issue, which exposes a divide between older original fans, and newer ones. I do not feel enough time has passed to label them canonical, or not.

I read the Legends of Dune trilogy, which covers the Butlerian jihad. It works as a prequel, and is a worthy addition. This trilogy could make it as becoming "official."

I took a stab at two others, there are apparently seven more prequels. While Legends of Dune captures the essentials of Frank Herbert's work, there is not enough material to stretch out so many more novels. Part of good fiction writing is being judicious and economical with your presentation.

Christopher Tolkien made it work with the publication of a one volume compilation of prequels, The Silmarillion.

Outside of the Legends of Dune trilogy, all the rest just serves as an example of what authors need to avoid when trying to build a series.

>>10819

Oh I just read the trilogy then, didn't know there was more. I don't have a problem with him writing more novels, as long as theyre good, and expand the universe in interesting ways. Guess that didn't happen? He did have quite a different style

>>10881

That's pretty spot on.

>>8189

Some parts. Especially when Melville seemed to preach towards the reader and even repeated shit like he only cared if you got that message and not the rest of the book.

>>10819

very informative, thanks.

>>10819

But the prequels' version of the Butlerian Jihad completely misunderstands the whole event. It was made pretty clear in the original book that the danger of thinking machines was not yet another tired old rogue AI story, but rather, that by delegating all thinking to AI, humans would no longer cultivate the ability to think for themselves, leading to intellectual stagnation and degeneration.

> "Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."

Dune, p11.

Here, it specifically says that it was other men that used machines to enslave them, not machines that are somehow still dumb enough to fall for the sunk cost fallacy.

> "The Great Revolt took away a crutch," she said. "It forced human minds to develop. Schools were started to train human talents."

Dune, p12.

With the thinking machines gone, humanity was forced to further develop the latent capabilities of the human mind, as displayed by the Bene Gesserit, the Mentats and the Spacing Guild.

The themes of the Butlerian Jihad also echo the themes in Dune. Instead of being a proletarian revolt against the evil oppressors, the elites incite the population to violence to ward off long-term degeneration, and use religion to do it, because the masses are unable to comprehend the true nature of the threat.

>>5211

Did you even read the fucking book? Emmanuel Goldstein happened to have a Jewish sounding name, and he probably didn't even exist within the universe of 1984. This is why every other board and every other website hates you, /pol/.

>>8050

>Seems contradictory.

Clearly you don't belong on /lit/ (yet) if you think that. Atheism is a libertarian value. Read some Rand.

As a side note, MRA is quite popular on Reddit; not all subreddits are /srs/, but they're all just as annoying.

>>8075

You've spent too much time on /pol/.

>>11387

>objectivism is the only form of libertarianism

>implying anyone seriously considered themselves an objectivist

>>11444

That book was so good, though! And I swear, the Qu finally helped me flesh out an alien species I wanted to write for a while. It's basically a mix of them, the Dark Eldar and a description I've read of a species Iain Banks came up with

>>11446

I did like the book as well. Though it was so much death/suffering that I forgot for a moment that individual human lives had meaning. (in the book they essentially didn't) It reminded me of 40k

>>11451

I think the lines a tthe end cleared that up a bit. When the author said that what gave the story of humanity meaning was not a supposed endgoal, but the daily life of its individuals. That part was beautiful. Maybe a bit tacked on after everything before it, but I really don't mind.

>>11454

you are right about that.

i bet I got a bigger pdf library than all of you

>>11461

I've got about two- or three-hundred pdf's. More the latter, I think. Maybe more than that.

>>5694

I actually loved it and read it passionately until the end. What does that make me?

>>7766

fucking kek

very accurate. I recommend the books for people who like some moderate sci-fi fantasy

>>11594

greetings, fellow patrician!

>>8598

Most of /pol/ worships him.

And for good reason. Most of /pol/ would honestly be perfectly fine with multiculti nonsense. Problem is the blatant and unrepentant white genocide intentions so yeah.

>>11620

>Most of /pol/ would honestly be perfectly fine with multiculti nonsense.

well, yeah.

if it was like it's advertised, of course i would have nothing against it.

it's not.

>>11626

why the lemurs on the cover?

>>11632

The author explains it about halfway through the story. It's more or less a spoiler. It's relevant imagery though, not a lolsorandom cover.

>>3973

Kek

It's been years seen I read it, it's because the hexagonal design right?

>>11634

i see…

>>11633

are you lefty/pol/?

>>11652

No, not at all. I just read this when I became a libertarian to know what the opposing side has to say. Ended up one of the shittiest books I've ever read. Maybe The Capital will be better, reading that right now.

>>5736

Do anybody's legs get broken in Heart of Darkness?

>>5211

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaf1192EZfI

Immanuel Goldstein was supposed to be Leon Trotsky, that's why he gave Immanuel Goldstein such a jewish name, because Trotsky was a jew.

>>7097

Yes but the reason for jewish persecution in the Soviet Union was different than the reason jews were persecuted in Nazi Germany. In the Soviet Union all religions were persecuted, both Jews and Christians. And the reason jews in the Soviet Union were persecuted was because they were religious not because they were jewish, jewish atheists were not persecuted, jewish communists were not persecuted. In Nazi Germany however they persecuted jews because of what a damaging effect they were having on German culture. Hitler didn't care about their religion, he hated jews because he saw them as being responsible for communism and at least partly responsible for the degeneracy in the Weimar Republic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTYSv_YQOVo

This Rabbi explains it quite well in this short video.

t./pol/

>>8097

In some editions there's an "epilogue" chapter that is written very similarly to the opening chapter, with the intent being that the reader - now able to decipher the slang - goes "oh shit what else did I miss?" and has a reason to read it again.

Some versions also have a dictionary in the back. Or you can use a journal as you go (I did this one, worked great).

>>9594

The middle of that series was awesome. Harry and Quirrel stuff, the armies, the battles, scientific methoding the shit out of spells. discovering the "true" patronus, all that shit was great.

Harry's an insufferable cunt in the beginning and all of the conspiracy shit is insane. It felt like two nerds trying to outdo each other in a D&D game which is pretty much what is happening and constantly fucking up the plot because of it.

I wanted more magical science and investigations and stuff like that.

>>8189

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flesch%E2%80%93Kincaid_readability_tests

>While Amazon calculates the text of Moby Dick as 57.9, one particularly long sentence about sharks in chapter 64 has a readability score of −146.77.

>>11772

>negative 146.77

>Though amid all the smoking horror and diabolism of a sea-fight, sharks will be seen longingly gazing up to the ship’s decks, like hungry dogs round a table where red meat is being carved, ready to bolt down every killed man that is tossed to them; and though, while the valiant butchers over the deck-table are thus cannibally carving each other’s live meat with carving-knives all gilded and tasselled, the sharks, also, with their jewel-hilted mouths, are quarrelsomely carving away under the table at the dead meat; and though, were you to turn the whole affair upside down, it would still be pretty much the same thing, that is to say, a shocking sharkish business enough for all parties; and though sharks also are the invariable outriders of all slave ships crossing the Atlantic, systematically trotting alongside, to be handy in case a parcel is to be carried anywhere, or a dead slave to be decently buried; and though one or two other like instances might be set down, touching the set terms, places, and occasions, when sharks do most socially congregate, and most hilariously feast; yet is there no conceivable time or occasion when you will find them in such countless numbers, and in gayer or more jovial spirits, than around a dead sperm whale, moored by night to a whaleship at sea.

Is this really allowed?

>>11773

It's not that hard to follow.

At least, I don't find it difficult.

That is a criminally long sentence, however; for the sake of art, I usually let that slide

>>11775

I haven't read Moby Dick, but I assume such paragraphs turned sentences would be weary to read.

>>11776

Another anon here.

I don't find it to be particularly difficult either. Aside from being an experienced reader, I perceive that example as a passage of six smaller sentences. That perception helps, even though the reality is one long sentence.

The rapid piling of images, ideas, and detail into lengthy paragraphs is a problem for modern readers. I don't dislike such writing. Though, it's also why I don't recommend much before the twentieth century.

We still have modern authors writing such lengthy epics, and who pay the price with readership. I've never encountered someone who had difficulty reading Inherent Vice; whereas, I've seen librarians express astonishment to someone who finished, and enjoyed, Against the Day.

Astonished as they may be, I still insist both novels by Pynchon need to remain on the shelf, in circulation.

>>11777

It's confusing. Is slavery sharkish, or do those specifics tell how completely different it is from hunting?

>>3141 (OP)

>the year is about to end

>posted 01/01/2015

what does he mean by this?

>>3871

Both 1984 and A Brave New World paint what we have now. I felt sickness after reading A Brave New World

>>11779

Didn't mean to reply to you.

I assumed he meant a metaphorical butchering, so slavery is mentioned twice. This is more like preying than fighting, because one side is stronger.

Kafka is the only one I've read since the summer. Might as well do it with some books I enjoyed though too.

>>11793

I don't know if I would call Kafka indecipherable, if that's what your image is supposed to mean. Whenever I read him I always feel like I'm in a down to earth dream.

>>11799

I get lost with him sometimes. I did enjoy The Castle.

>>11803

That makes sense. That's how I felt reading the Trial.

>>11822

for once, some honest advertising.

>>11822

Austen is utter shit. Even Bronte is better because at least something happens in Jane Eyre at the end

>>11822

The most truthful post in this entire thread.

>>11793

Earth Abides is hands down the best post-apocalypse book I have read.

The hammer is everything. Felt like such a real situation and conflict resolution. (What little there was)

>>11832

Near the ending when Joey died and Ish finally snaps at the Uni was the highlight. Everything he tried to do to keep the old world alive is gone and he's the last person in the world that even cares.

I have to agree. It's one of my favorite books and felt very realistic. I felt the ending was very depressing, but I'm not sure if it was meant to be. It's made out to be a new start for the world. Ish dying on what might be one of the last standing relics of the old world was very poetic. That might have been the point. People like us would be the "Last Americans" and would feel that way about the old ways dying.

Next on my list is Alas Babylon and I hope I like it as much as Earth Abides. Once I find some time to read it. My back log keeps growing,

>>3141 (OP)

i hope you're under 23.

>>8189

I like it for that

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ArCBfN0QiNMz0YIbpGtMhiXPy39hm9bd

Merry Christmas ya cunts

>>4526

He was. He said it in his videos

>>8154

That's why he was a slimeball.

>>4561

Voltaire is kind of a cunt though

>>5227

he probably also advocated fornication with other gentlemen

>>5228

there's no such thing as anti-Semitism they control the government + media + banks. you can't be racist against someone with privilege + power

>>7097

both Stalin and Hitler dindu nuffin

>>7997

I watched that movie in 5th grade I think

>>8082

"internalized misandry" is what you're looking for

>>11769

I laughed, well done. Rooter would be proud, I'll go tapp some sticks on his bark and tell him.

Don't forget your descolada shot

>>11626

That's so great. i laughed and a couple of drops came out.

>>11709

Didn't Weininger kill himself because he came to the conclusion that his existence was inherently bad because of his Jewish heritage?

Talk about overdosing on blackpills.

>>3169

You’re not wrong, I was disappointed by it.

Still finished it though.