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>I remember this, i almost read it in school, looks kind of interesting, i'll read it.

>suddenly a harmless book is actually is actually Military intelligence member Salinger's neuron-linguistic programming for accepting pedophilia

http://postflaviana.org/a-pedophile-fantasy-in-the-rye/

>In the passage above, Caulfield is also expressing a madonna-whore complex, which is defined as “the inability to maintain sexual arousal within a committed, loving relationship… this psychological complex is said to develop in men who see women either as saintly Madonnas or debased prostitutes”. Holden’s problem is only compounded by the fact that he sees himself as sexually aroused primarily by his fetish for squirting “water or something”. Accordingly, Caulfield engages in “necking” and “horsing around” with characters like Sally Hayes and Anne Louise Sherman who he does not respect, while he idealizes Jane Gallagher, who he can hardly bring himself to touch aside from genteel hand-holding. The thought of Jane behaving sexually with his roommate Stradlater drives Caulfield into a frenzy. Ironically, Caulfield hires a prostitute, Sunny, and winds up placing her on this same Madonna pedestal. Thus, he remains endlessly virginal and sexually frustrated. We aren’t even sure Holden would understand how to go about having sexual intercourse if the opportunity presented itself, much less whether he understands what “crumby” behavior really might entail.

>Holden Caulfield’s sister Phoebe is also idealized as a sort of Madonna, most saintly and yet most desirable. Salinger described Phoebe as “nice skinny” and “roller skate” skinny”. With his descriptions, Salinger is connecting the subconscious mind of his young male readers to the idea of a sexually desirable but underage girl. At the same time, because of the Madonna-Whore complex, Holden Caulfield is blinded to his sexual attraction towards his sister; as is the casual reader.

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 No.12810>>12813 >>12817

I'm amazed people still fall for "Holden raped Phoebe." I guess you can't compliment your little sister without being a pedo, huh?

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>>12810

He's in the crazy ward for a reason but there's not enough grounds to suggest rape, though there might be for murder.

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 No.12817>>12820

>>12810

>>12813

>a board about reading

>don't read the link

You guys think i'm talking about the exoteric story that's used to distract you while your subconscious if conditioned into accepting pedophilia.

I don't even know where you got this rape thing.

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>>12817

why do you people feel the need to search for "hidden truths" when the ugly stuff has always been in plain sight? maybe not heavily publicized, but in plain sight?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich

if this guy's work had been seminal as they say, there is nothing to add.

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 No.12827>>12828 >>12864

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>why do you people feel the need to search for "hidden truths" when the ugly stuff has always been in plain sight?

To know the truth about what our subconscious is taking in that our conscious mind is missing, and is being influenced by As well as where those in power are taking us. All the things that your subconscious keeps feeds your conscious mind with thoughts as if they're your our own. Everything you consume that isn't critically analyzed becomes a part of you, like an awful song you can't get out of your head, it's programming while distracting you with whatever story-line possible.

Now, this isn't just one single book with this theme in, there are lot of other pieces of media with these same themes in it, just like how there are lot of media with programming to accept homosexuality, we are being programmed to accept pedophilia, but it's done in such a subtle way that only the subconscious mind sees it.

Media usually has some kind of hidden agenda. see https://vimeo.com/67520537 . i just though "i'll take a break from studying those in power and enjoy this book" But i didn't read the book looking for it, the way that Caulfield described young women, "old phobe" and how he pitched her butt like it was something normal for siblings to do, left me feeling very perplexed.

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 No.12858

I hated this egotistical book the school forces you to read.

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>>12827

>Everything you consume that isn't critically analyzed becomes a part of you, like an awful song you can't get out of your head, it's programming while distracting you with whatever story-line possible.

you know i didn't take my middle school teacher when she told us about advertising and how it actually works. i thought "if i don't need a certain kind of product, i will just not buy it". which it's true. but then years later i was watching the news and i don't remember why, maybe the emotional manipulation was too heavyhanded, but i remember consciously realizing that i felt angry, probably in the exact way whoever made that report wanted the watcher to be, even if i didn't agree with the message. all this to say, yes , i agree. but what can you do? the world is full of people wanting you to do certain things in a certain way, and people claiming to be immune to manipulation are likely the easiest preys.

btw, in all this talking about pedoprogramming, how does holden being creeped out by his teacher fit in your reasoning?

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