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File: 6ff14f17e48cea3⋯.jpeg (49.66 KB, 357x528, 119:176, 57299628-CA45-4676-82C4-D….jpeg)

 No.91742

This question is directed at the anarcho-capitalists.

Picture is unrelated.

 No.91745


 No.91751

Property rights are part of the rights that are there naturally, and not privilieges by a company or government. So they would, and it's the only system which respects those rights.


 No.91767

The only rights you truly have are those you're willing to defend.


 No.91824

File: 700874c40771717⋯.jpg (5.03 KB, 235x193, 235:193, Mine.jpg)


 No.91953

>>91767

Exactly, too many people quibbling over parchment rights.


 No.91964

>>91751

if there are natural rights how come natural sciences have not discovered them? :^)


 No.91966

>>91964

Why require scientific proof for something that only requires logical proof?


 No.91967

>>91966

well some people say they have logical proof for existence of god


 No.91971

>>91966

Because proof can only be discovered from factual description of the world, which is what science does, while logical descriptions can only describe certain . Still, property rights form naturally via projection of force over objects and do not require any 3rd party to support them or enforce them, even if they do now.


 No.91972

>>91971

>while some logical descriptions can only inaccurately describe certain real world events.*


 No.91974

>>91971

>Because proof can only be discovered from factual description of the world,

For empirical proof. science is required. But not for logical proof.


 No.91981

>>91971

For empirical evidence this is true, but one does not use empirical evidence to prove a priori concepts. Empirical evidence does not prove or disprove conceptual theories, it may only illustrate them.


 No.91985

>>91974

>>91981

Ok, but conceptual theory can be true only if it does not contradict empirical one and if these two contradict then it's logical one that's incorrect.


 No.91996

>>91985

If it's incorrect it's probably illogical.


 No.92008

>>91985

Does reality follow the laws of logic. If that's a yes, then any actually logical proof wouldn't contradict any actually empirical proof.


 No.92009

>>91996

But the opposite is not true. Even if it's logical it does not mean it's correct.


 No.92010

>>92008

From our experience, regardless of reality of it, it's beneficial to view and try to understand reality using such assumptions. If they are wrong we don't have a way to provide any means or checking how true or false anything is anyway. We don't really have anything but information from our senses so hello there, fellow brain in a jar thinking we all are anything but sets of scripts in your simulation.


 No.92167


 No.92175

File: 3d71369cbc137dc⋯.jpg (311.57 KB, 764x1152, 191:288, 1516414168144.jpg)

Yes, obviously. In the absence of a property-expropriating agency (whether you call it a state, a mob, a brigand, etc.), property rights are manifestly respected. But this is a semantic answer for a semantic question. It doesn't teach us anything about the world and how it works, but about the tools we use to describe it.

I think you mean to ask

>After the abolition of central power, will rule of law persist among the former constituents?

This is where the science is.

Anyway, if this is actually what you're asking, then it truly depends on the social development of the region in question. Somalia is a good case study. Civil war has effectively emasculated the competing states, turning the place into a power vacuum. Somalia, due to its geography, climate, history, gene pool, etc. has no rule of law in its tradition. In the absence of a tax-defense-law monopoly, its constituents have not practiced and will continue not to practice rule of law.

Take a look at, say, ancient Iceland. The vikings who settled it, far from the kings they answered to, already had rule of law and property rights in their tradition. They came from centuries of development under the selective pressures of their homeland: Scandinavia. That is why the Commonwealth of Iceland, until it was conquered by Norway, was effectively a private-law society. Even today, Nordic citizens have a strong enough legal tradition that all their countries have relatively free economies, in spite of their incredibly large welfare programs. If the migrants weren't a problem, the Scandinavian and Icelandic governments could collapse today, and the citizens would still very likely respect each other's legal rights.


 No.92180

>>92010

I don't care about everything being uncertain, because I know that fully well. What I care about is that completely disregarding rationality in favor of exclusively empiricism would render the law of causality and every other determinant of information beyond sensation void.


 No.92183

>>91985

>Ok, but conceptual theory can be true only if it does not contradict empirical one

Yes, but you still can't use empirical data to disprove a theory, or to create an alternative theory. At best, a contradiction between empirical data and the theory suggests that there's a logical breakdown somewhere in the theory, and you can't say you've "disproven it" until you've modified or replaced the original a priori theory, and have logical backing to support that change.


 No.92187

>>91967

>>92167

Saying they have logical proof doesn't mean they have logical proof.


 No.92189

>wanting to be enslaved by (((coorporations)))

>instead of being part of a benevolent goverment

<thinking you weaklings won't be enslaved by others at a moments' notice

Anarcuck crapitalist are so delusional


 No.92190

File: 9aaf75c42bb1d3f⋯.png (206.33 KB, 655x742, 655:742, following me.png)

>>92189

>coorporations

If you're going to bait at least make an effort.


 No.92192

>>91742

Would women look like that under libertarianism?


 No.92194

>>92192

Similar to now, though probably a bit better due to ease of access to plastic surgery and lack of negative selection. Other creatures like modern single mothers would probably cease to exist or be pushed away into some shithole regions/places due to lack of welfare and state funding and aforementioned negative selection.


 No.92195

>>92194

>pushed away

get moved out out*

soz


 No.92196

File: 7d4d544635b381f⋯.png (49.61 KB, 600x800, 3:4, ClipboardImage.png)

>>92192

As a whole, women will likely look much more feminine again as the civic religion of feminism and the state disappears and the church rises to prominence once again; traditional roles won't be frowned upon quite as much anymore.

>>92194

>due to ease of access to plastic surgery

Even if plastic surgery is cheaper, I imagine it would be less prevalent once this degenerate, vain society dies and the libertines are purged.




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