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 No.83801

>we should legalize weed so we can tax it

>taxation is theft

 No.83803

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>>83801

>we should fine people sixteen thousand dollars and enslave them for selling weed

>good goys, don't worry about that 30% we take it's not slavery


 No.83919

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>not legalizing all drugs

>not letting the degenerates whom are unable to use drugs responsibly destroy themselves

>not turning a profit on those aforementioned degenerates


 No.83924

>>83801

Point for me to a man that says both of these things, please. Most people calling for regulating or taxing weed are leftists, or Gary Johnson-worshiping, dudeweed "libertarians". But I repeat myself.


 No.83926

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The conversion from present authoritarian statehood to libertarianism has to happen in stages.

For example:

>Option A) First remove the welfare system, then open borders. There is no influx of immigrants, because they would have to work, and none of them want that.

>Option B) First open borders, then try to remove welfare system. There is a massive influx of immigrants to take advantage of the welfare system, and they prevent its removal by outvoting you.

The left and the pozzed right are arguing for option B, whereas a very tiny sane minority is arguing for option A. Far right is arguing for closed borders and welfare, which also might work, but then you're stuck with the millions of leeches already in your country.

The same predicament is the cornerstone of the drug debate:

>Option A) Remove government funded healthcare, and only then legalize drugs. People are free to do whatever they want to their bodies because their declining health doesn't affect anyone.

>Option B) Legalize it! All of a sudden the healthcare system gets a massive burden of druggies, that sober people are forced to pay for. And the growing number of druggies keeps voting for public healthcare because they don't want to pay their own way.

A proper libertarian position is Option A, which ratchets in freedom by degrees into the system of the state, weakening it over time. Druggies generally argue for Option B, which is why I have no respect for them.

>>83803

>30%

I have bad news.


 No.83928

>>83924

>Gary Johnson

Please be aware that bringing up that name psychologically damages me, and is a violation of NAP.


 No.83935

>>83801

It's a lot easier to get around the taxes of selling weed illegally than it is to get around the whole, y'know, plant being illegal to even own thing.

>tfw had a SWAT member tell a coworker she had excellent pot plants when they were doing a drug bust at her neighbor's house


 No.83942

>we need to legalize slavery to tax it

>tax is theft

Now, seriously, only in places free to build private security markets would work, eventually some organized private defense force would be needed to keep the nigro gangs out of the neighborhood.


 No.84040

>>83926

How is China so low? I thought the government basically owned every major business and had its fingers directing the economy way more than a place like the UK or France, but how did they end up so low?


 No.84079

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 No.84082

>>84040

probably because it's "red capitalism"


 No.84086

>>84040

Because western media lies its ass off, and western politicians too.

Chink government doesn't have the wherewithall to control a large portion of the economy, or even tax what they have. They only control large utilities and military-relevant industries in major cities, and even then a small business only needs to fill out one form, single-sided, A4 sized piece of paper to register. Their authoritarianism is more cultural than economic. Russia also doesn't even try to control its economy or culture, they just have a firm grip on broadcasting, media, military stuff, and government.

Western authoritarianism is close to totalitarianism. It's control on a political, cultural and economic level - we are living in communist countries essentially.


 No.84149

>>84086

>we are living in communist countries essentially.

Well, I mean the US Patent Office will send you construction plans for the means of production…


 No.84151

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>>84086

>Russia also doesn't even try to control its economy or culture

LOL WAT

Nigga are fucking stupid?


 No.84152


 No.84161

>>84040

Well, if the government outsources its work to one of its crony firms, it does not need to be recorded as government expenditure.


 No.84165

>>84086

>Russia also doesn't even try to control its economy or culture, they just have a firm grip on broadcasting, media, military stuff, and government.

I see the point you're trying to make, but you do realize Russia will routinely nationalize industries, right?


 No.84167

>>84086

>>84165

I guess China and other fast growing countries are the non-white version of Italy in the 50s and 60s.

In Italy there used to be a shitload of laws (like today) and formally it was like a keynesian/socialist and almost marxist country. That's in theory, but in practice even the commie stayed out of the economy because they felt it was too fascist to do so, and in any case they didn't have the means of control.

The result was that while you had a lot of rules, you just had to pass a bribe or two and you would be left alone, and only if you actually were found having money or doing something really, really wrong.

On the international level there was a lot of bribing, strategic ass kissing, etc that ensured good market conditions for the nation.

It kinda worked, and it certainly worked better than today, since now everyone is obsessed with enforcing the retarded rules we have (plus those of the EU) and in fact the whole economy is in the shit and every day we get closer to Venezuelan socialism.

I guess China is like that. The party does what it can to screw other countries. Then you have a lot of laws, but you do what you want, nobody cares, and when you become successful you make some tactical gifts and if you screw up big time they screw you up big time. If they start obey the law, who knows what will happen.


 No.84193

>>keynesian/socialist

Lol, no. It does NOT, in fact, mean "anything I don't like," and what you have stated is impossible.


 No.84230

>>84165

Bit more than China, far FAR less than the west.


 No.84231

>>84230

Russia is a good place to invest. Fuckload of real estate, prices like $1 per acre right outside major cities because they're under embargo and desperate for investment…. you don't even have to pay the construction crew for years.


 No.84299

>>84231

Investing in Russia is a fucking stupid idea, everything will simply be taken by the government. You niggers don't even try to research the shit you want to get into.




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