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 No.82290

is it ok to use violence to overthrow statism?

 No.82295

Non-violent resistance is more effective, but I see no problem with a response to initiation of force as long as it is not excessive.


 No.82296

>>82295

>Non-violent resistance is more effective

USSR, China, Korea, Cuba, etc. Learn atleast SOMETHING from the commies.


 No.82298

>>82296

This.


 No.82308

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 No.82309

>>82296

All the countries that turned to shit after violent revolutions? I think we did learn something: Nonviolence is more effective. At least up until the point where they open fire on you at which point you have a just cause to shoot back.


 No.82310

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>>82309

Oh, so you have learned something from us.


 No.82312

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>>82290

>is it ok to use violence to overthrow statism?

Sure, but violence in of itself (as a revolutionary means of overthrowing statism) doesn't actually present a very good idea of what will happen moving forwards. Often times revolutions just lead to a worse system and a larger collapse after the fact.

That's not to say that is some sort of inherent rule per se, but you'll notice most violent revolutions through out history very rarely propagate governments that solve the problems of the previous regime, often they just expand on those problems. It's an unpopular opinion in the US, but even the American revolution had quite a bloody and stunting aftermath, one of the only things that prevented the economy and the whole country getting worse (worse than it already was, that is) was the fact that the American government didn't intervene in the French revolution and used the French revolution as an excuse to not pay massive debts owed to the French government.


 No.82319

>>82309

These countries turn shit because of communism, not because of revolutions you Tolstoyan cuck.

Why is it that only commies are allowed to overthrow governments they deem repressive but we have to be docile as sheep? If the state starts systematically raping your wife, would you also sit around resisting non-violently?


 No.82320

>>82308

>if I screencap it, that makes it true

This, gentlemen, is the type of retard that is incapable of thinking for himself and gets easily manipulated by every meme and captioned image on the internet.


 No.82325

When someone uses force against you, you respond in kind. Now I'm not saying it's impossible to bring down the system from the inside, but it's a rigged game and guns are the great equalizer.


 No.82327

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>>82310

You have nothing to contribute with


 No.82362

>>82320

>projecting

>being retard but calling someone a retard

lol


 No.82426

>>82290

Yeah, unless you'd also think shooting a Nazi occupation forces was wrong you'd have to concede that violence is 'ok' to overthrow statism.

>>82296

If everyone just stopped supporting the state all at once it would vanish which might be what >>82295 was referring to. Non-violent resistance has a place and shouldn't be so easily disregarded.


 No.82428

>>82426

>If everyone just stopped supporting the state all at once it would vanish

Well its too bad that coordination as such is impossible. Social problems are still problems for a reason.


 No.82430

>>82428

You'd also need popular support for a guerrilla uprising. It's not like if you went out into the woods and shot at government bureaucrats the state would come crashing down.


 No.82432

>>82430

No but a single assassination can make a pretty big difference. See ww1.


 No.82435

>>82432

I'm guessing you're refering to Franz Ferdinand, but come on. That assasination was just an excuse to kickstart the war that had been looming for a long time.


 No.82438

>>82435

The Serbs killed the man most in their favor in the Austrian government. They had it coming.




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