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WARNING! Free Speech Zone - all local trashcans will be targeted for destruction by Antifa.

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 No.81170

Why should you be allowed to shoot someone because they took your garden hose? How is a human life worth more than your computer? It isn't directly keeping you alive, so it isn't self defense at that point, it's just you being entitled and greedy. I get why you'd need to shoot someone if they were trying to actively murder you, but not because they took your television set.

 No.81171

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Doesn't gotcha-ism get old?


 No.81174

>>81170

Do you really think there are no methods of punishment other than shooting? Just tell them to give the hose back and to fuck off.


 No.81177

I only leave garden hoses laying around the lawn to bait commies who come to steal them so I can shoot them tbh.


 No.81178

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>I know the intention of the person knowingly and illegally entering my property.

Cant read minds, if I could I would have kicked you in the balls the second you thought of stealing my property.

>They didn't know a possibility of breaking into or entering someones property would end up in their life being risked.

You never left a notice of your intentions to steal so being that this is a robbery without an appointment you could understand my frustrations.

>I need to check with the person who made enough of a point to ignore all locked doors, windows and signs to enter property that isnt theirs.

This business is closed sir! Why are you insisting on entering and taking items? This is a civilized society!

>Worrying about the wellbeing of a criminal who isnt worried about your wellbeing


 No.81179

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>>81178

No matter what excuses you make, a human life is not worth less than some piece of property. Unless you require the piece of property to sustain your life, like your last bottle of water when you're dying of dehydration, it isn't an act of self-defense, just murder. That's on you.


 No.81180

>>81179

>a human life is not worth less than some piece of property

I wouldnt give up the contents of my garbage bin to feed a starving communist.


 No.81181

>>81180

Well of course not, commies aren't human.


 No.81183

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>>81179

We have 7 billion people on thid planet.

The worth of a criminal life isnt even on the register.

The world is complex, say that person was only stealing a laptop. But that laptop is how that person earned a living and are now without it and no way to pay for another. Time to suck some dick to stop from becoming homeless

Looks like that simple theft got complex.


 No.81193

>>81179

nothing wrong with that


 No.81195

Because if there was no property, and people could just take whatever they want to, nobody would produce things.


 No.81197

>>81170

Where's your house OP? I promise I won't kill you, I just need to borrow your computer forever.


 No.81202

>>81179

> a human life is not worth less than some piece of property

Nothing has inherent value. That's not an excuse.


 No.81203

>>81197

>my_bike_was_stolen_today.jpeg


 No.81204

>>81170

i dont value human life <tip fedora>


 No.81207

>>81204

You'd have to have a quite the nonexistent value system to value all human life indiscriminately.


 No.81208

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>>81204

Commies aren't alive to begin with, they are just biorobots following their Marxist programming.


 No.81229

>>81170

>furry shit

>commie flag

>wants to nationalize toothbrushes

Do you have a bomb in your head that goes off if you even think about making a quality post?


 No.81242

>>81170

>it's just you being entitled and greedy

Hm, I guess. Human life really is more valuable than mere material goods I suppose.


 No.81246

File: 571e187f19a4626⋯.png (50.51 KB, 1295x603, 1295:603, y0oN4v.png)

Wish that I remembered I had this saved when I made my first post.


 No.81258

>>81229

Did the toothbrush meme start on this board? I have no prior recollection of it before me and another guy used it as an anecdite in an argument over personal vs. private property a couple years ago.


 No.81265

>>81208

there is nothing wrong in being neutered

you live longer so imo it is a good thing


 No.81266

>>81258

I think even children would use it in an argument about personal property, whether knew about the existence of the meme before or not.


 No.81275

>>81258

It's from reddit


 No.81289

>allowed

fuck off tankies


 No.81291

>81287

I actually did a google search for the meme awhile back, and the earliest reddit reference I could find dated from September 2016. I know I remember using the toothbrush analogy before that, because I was slacking off at an internship by posting about it here. The exact argument that I made was that a toothbrush's status as either private or personal property was entirely transient depending on usage. If any of you remember the thread with the "Marxian" who denied the existence of material reality, it was around that time.


 No.81308

I really couldn't give two shits about the life of a thief. If he breaks in to my home and steals my property he can get 10 rounds of 5.56 in his back, and the world will probably be a better place because of it.


 No.81311

>>81170

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


 No.81321

One sensible ethical argument and lolberts and ancrappers devolve into a bunch of screeching monkeys, shitposting and playing internet tough guy. Not a single proper counterargument out of their tiny brains and hypocritical philosophy. No wonder you retards have zero political influence or support.


 No.81333

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>>81321

But how can your sensible ethical argument respond to these dubs?


 No.81335

>>81321

>why can't we just steal things?

>sensible ethical argument

No the lolberts just think your question is too stupid to argue with seriously.


 No.81367

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>>81170

You're presupposing that rights are need-based; that because I don't need something, it's fine if it's stolen from me, and wrong for me to apprehend the thief.

You're also presupposing that the natural response to theft is murder.

I hate leftists.


 No.81372

>>81321

You can't argue with assertions.

>Why should you be allowed to shoot someone because they took your garden hose?

Starts with an assertion as if responding to something not said and completely void of context. If you sneak into my house I have no way of knowing whether you're a petty thief or prepared to kill and maim.

> How is a human life worth more than your computer?

Value is subjective and relative. We gave that response and there was no answer as to what gives anything inherent value in of itself.

> It isn't directly keeping you alive, so it isn't self defense at that point, it's just you being entitled and greedy

Needs to be a lot more specific. He's trying to make it way too easy on himself to control a moral highground as if it has any other purpose than emotional rhetoric. WHAT is not keeping me alive? WHY do I get to keep only what keeps me alive? WHO gets the authority to determine that and on what grounds?

> I get why you'd need to shoot someone if they were trying to actively murder you, but not because they took your television set.

Again, how would we know? If I had perfect knowledge of someone's intent, then deciding on an equivalent response would be much easier. However, none of us read minds.

If you don't want to be treated as a shitposter don't throw around assertions and vitriolic tantrums at not being entertained. No "prove me wrong" threads either. You're really making it difficult to respond when you act as if you're in some sort of online anonymous intelligence contest where you award yourself points based on how right you feel and assuming everyone else is in on it.


 No.81377

One sensible ethical board and communists devolve into a bunch of faggots, shitposting and playing internet smug girl. Not a single proper thought out of their tiny brains and hypocritical philosophy. No wonder those retards have zero political influence or support beyond that which flows from the barrel of a gun.

Stop engaging this fucking retard. He just wants to pretend he's a smug anime girl who is always right.


 No.81382

>>81377

Shut the fuck up faggot


 No.81406

>>81335

there are no stupid questions

there can be only stupid answers


 No.81407

>>81406

No, there are stupid questions. We are not obliged to literally pay attention to every unserious lefty idiot that comes and says "gotcha". The market of ideas is also governed by the laws of supply and demand and if we don't see it worthwhile for us to waste our time answering something for the millionth time then we won't.


 No.81490

>Why should you be allowed to shoot someone because they took your garden hose?

Because they ~took~ my garden hose, rather than appropriating a public-access hose.

>How is a human life worth more than your computer?

Dat my CP doe.

> It isn't directly keeping you alive, so it isn't self defense at that point

Bitch u read wut i said???

>I get why you'd need to shoot someone if they were trying to actively murder you, but not because they took your television set.

If the television is not the repository of cp, it is capitalists operating monopoly control on a television set.

I DO consider that trying to murder me.

"Kill the rich" is mostly about the TV thing. It is good from that aspect. You can burn any stuff that is not factory equipment, and please do; after which, we kill any and all employers, especially apparent Leninists.

No gods, no masters.


 No.81491

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I fight for what I want and you fight for what you want. It's simple as that, and that is why the left/neutral/apolitical/moderates always lose.

>still no fascist flag


 No.81495

>>81491

SJWs and the "alt-right" are two sides of the same cancerous millennial coin. It's the new false-dichotomy to replace the democrats and the republicans.


 No.81502

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>>81170

>Why should you be allowed to shoot someone because they took your garden hose?

To discourage other people from doing it.

>How is a human life worth more than your computer?

Careful there, "worth" is spooky language.

> It isn't directly keeping you alive, so it isn't self defense at that point, it's just you being entitled and greedy

Not an argument.

>I get why you'd need to

>need

Found your problem. Go outside and come back when you find all these spooks you keep talking about.


 No.81504

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>>81170

> How is a human life worth more than your computer?

Value is a subjective thing, but if your life ultimately consists of stealing possessions from others or perhaps even hurting them directly then chances are your life isn't actually worth very much.

I mean even on a basic level this is a retarded rhetorical argument that can be used for anything.

> How is a human life worth more than a young girls virginity?

> How is a human life worth more than some guy's arm?

> How is a human life worth more than all of one guy's possessions?

> How is a human life worth more than a car?

> How is a human life worth more than some land?

> How is a human life worth more than an entire fridge with a months worth of food

> How is a human life worth more than some small dog?

> How is a human life worth more than another one?

Seriously, you sound like a fucking retard. All of these things (besides the life directly) are all used for me to utilize and achieve various goals in life (such as life itself), and as other people like >>81372 stated, I have no idea what the intention of the thief is, he could very well be dangerous or planning to murder and rape my family.


 No.81522

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>>81333

That's no dubspost, it's a tripsation!




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