/liberty/ - Liberty

>>80996

How about, and here's a real crazy libertarian idea for you, you let the board owner have this place burn under his management. You don't try to change him. Move and start your own board, call it HoppeanLiberty, out compete this one.

You are correct in that excessive moderation will ultimately exacerbate quality issues instead of solving them. However, there are certain actions a BO may take which affect board quality that are irrelevant to the quantity and quality of posts that are banned. Your ideas certainly have merit and will improve overall board quality, but they won't address some of the underlying board issues.

>>80997

The problem with this idea is A) people get emotionally attached to the "proper" board name and are reluctant to leave it, and B) because the userbase is so small as it is, people become immensely paranoid and averse to any sort of action that might split the base. As a result, even if a large number of anons are in favor of a switch, almost all will stay on here anyways because everyone's afraid that nobody will follow them onto the new board. /ancap/ and /trueliberty/ are nice case studies in why something like this won't be all that successful.

>>80998

>almost all will stay on here anyways because everyone's afraid that nobody will follow them onto the new board

I see, libertarianism has failed then.

>>80998

>/ancap/ and /trueliberty/ are nice case studies

If you post on /b/ like I do, you have a lot more case studies. There's /notb/, /classicb/, /secretb/, /1/, /random/, and /bbbb/

People keep trying to leave /b/ but nobody wants to follow them

>>80997

>You don't try to change him.

What makes you think OP was addressing the BO?

Why can't individual posters take 5 minutes to make a news thread now and then, or create an open-ended discussion thread?

>>80996

The problem with running a Libertarian board is the lack of decentralization. You can't moderate your own thread, only the BO can. You can't pick which moderator's "services" you'd like to subscribe to and which one to ignore. We can't sticky anything ourselves unless we link to an FAQ on another site. Can't make it so selfbumping doesn't work. We have a bunch of flags, but when discussion gets remotely serious we can' tell who's replying to whom, or is it all just one guy roleplaying. We certainly can't have "no rules and no moderation at all" or else this would just be another /b/. What we have to do is improve the experience while keeping to the fundamental principles. The sort of system with a single BO and maybe a mod or two, if he so wishes, is closer to a benevolent Monarchy than actual Libertarianism. Moving to another board only to have the exact same problems because of the structure changes nothing.

>>81010

You could go use decentralized services. You could run your own blog on tor that allows comments. You could go run a retroshare group. And yet all these Libertarians have flocked to this centralized shit hole.

>>81053

>And yet all these Libertarians have flocked to this centralized shit hole.

Perhaps because this "shithole" is quite adept at providing the service that is users demand. Besides the global CP rule, BOs are free to manage their boards as they see fit. And without usernames there's less of a potential to create a circlejerk around a small number of members, where karma or post count grant users more weight to a poster's opinions.

And really, bitching about a voluntary organization because it's "centralized" is a bit autistic. Do you refuse to buy shit from Amazon as well because it's a centralized service?

>>81053

I would provide a better platform if I could.

>And yet all these Libertarians have flocked to this centralized shit hole.

There aren't really that many of us. The board is pretty slow and is neither the only place to go to, nor the best. Probably the furthest from it.

>And without usernames there's less of a potential to create a circlejerk around a small number of members, where karma or post count grant users more weight to a poster's opinions.

You don't need to issue permanent usernames. Identifiers issued for the thread you're posting in are enough. Points in of themselves are not the issue, just as being able to spend more IRL to propagate your ideas is not inherently bad in itself either. What matters more is how you gain those points and how exactly you can spend them. You could also do without going for the "no user names for their own good" line of argumentation.

> Do you refuse to buy shit from Amazon as well because it's a centralized service?

Did Leftypol infect you with gotcha-ism? How does saying one thing is preferable to another equate to not wanting one at all? Besides, Amazon is not famous for its quality forum system and moderation. What remains is that the way boards are and can be run has faults that have fundamental problems which can not be fixed ad hoc.

The last few times someone tried changing people to fit inside their system instead of the other way around it did not go well. At least in our case there won't be mass graves.

>>81059

> There aren't really that many of us. The board is pretty slow and is neither the only place to go to, nor the best. Probably the furthest from it.

There aren't too many of us on /liberty/, but I was referring more to 8chan as a whole. There's a pretty strong "mind your damn business and we'll mind yours" attitude at play. /k/ is decidedly libertarian in mindset, and while /tg/ is mostly apolitical, they're decidedly not left-wing and not authoritarian. Even the /pol/acks who like to LARP as fascists delude themselves into thinking that their authoritarian state will keep itself from becoming totalitarian.

> You don't need to issue permanent usernames. Identifiers issued for the thread you're posting in are enough. Points in of themselves are not the issue, just as being able to spend more IRL to propagate your ideas is not inherently bad in itself either. What matters more is how you gain those points and how exactly you can spend them. You could also do without going for the "no user names for their own good" line of argumentation.

You are correct in that most of the issues with reddit karma are to do with it being democratic rather than something intrinsic to all points systems. That being said, there's a certain je ne c'est pas to imageboard culture that would be diminished by adding rankings, democratic or otherwise.

> Did Leftypol infect you with gotcha-ism? How does saying one thing is preferable to another equate to not wanting one at all? Besides, Amazon is not famous for its quality forum system and moderation. What remains is that the way boards are and can be run has faults that have fundamental problems which can not be fixed ad hoc. The last few times someone tried changing people to fit inside their system instead of the other way around it did not go well. At least in our case there won't be mass graves.

Perhaps through my facetiousness I was being unclear. My point was that, outside of the government, a voluntary institution being "centralized" isn't inherently bad if the centralization is helping meet some sort of market demand, and such calling 8chan "centralized" isn't per se enough to discredit it; you need reasoning to show that in this market instance the centralization is detrimental. And "centralized shithole" implies someone who avoids anything centralized on the principle that it is centralized rather than one who believes a centralized system doesn't work in this particular instance.

Could we just ignore bait threads? I normally try to do that.