/liberty/ - Liberty

>>78956

can be

>>78956

1. Respect the property rights of others

2. Don't be a net-receiver of tax money

Those are the two necessary ones, I believe. You can't be a habitual thief and a welfare queen and call yourself an ancap, but you can have a personal aversion to owning firearms, treat officials with respect (I pray for their poor souls sometimes), or call the cops when a gang of niggers is in your house, because after all, you paid for their service.

>>78969

Even if you receive no money from the government, you're receiving direct benefits from tax money in the form of roads, fire protection, police (unless you wouldn't call them if, say, your car was stolen or your house was vandalized), subsidies on things you buy, etc. The only way not to leech off tax money is to pay a share of the tax burden equal or greater than your share of the wealth. Obviously, that's supporting the state and therefore incompatible with any form of anarchism, meaning that ancaps must necessarily leech from the state.

>>78956

Agorism is basically ancapism in a statist paradigm. Earn your living off the books filling the black market niches left neglected by statists, pay nothing to the government, and get as much money from the government as you possibly can.

>>78969

>>78973

tbh "benefits" are additional costs even to the person receiving them

>>78975

>In ancapistan, no one will build roads because roads are theft

>>78969

I'd heavily disagree here, and follow the Ayn Rand philosophy (for once unironically) on this one. You can't truly be seeking a libertarian/AnCap/Agorist society unless you actively use what was taken from you and others. Spend as much government/taxpayer money as you can physically get ahold of. The catch is you also need to have as little in taxes stolen from you as possible. Drain the system dry.

>>78983

I like the way Rand put it. She's not living off the government, she's just reclaiming the money the government stole from her.

>>78983

>Drain the system dry.

They literally just print the shit.

You might as well be trying to torrent "all the copies" of an mp3 so you have "them all."

>>78993

Anon, you're forgetting a key factor in this (other than inflation). Even if monopoly money is being used, real-world resources are being consumed for it. You can print all the money you want, but as you consume scarce resources with your monopoly money, they become scarcer until either your monopoly money is worth less than random sheets of paper made of the same material, or you run out of resources. You can enforce the scheme a little longer with brute force, but eventually something has to give- even in a great socialist supercomputer trying to keep everything contained like some sort of law of conservation of energy, entropy will exist.

Yes, on the surface the government just prints more money and the problem is solved, but if printing more money solved resource scarcity, Venezuela, and all the other failed socialist countries from Nazi Germany to South Africa would be thriving right now.

>>78993

>Take free fiat currency gibs

>Purchase real property

>Repeat as necessary until the state collapses under the weight of its own counterfeiting

Besides, if you're of the opinion that US dollars aren't real and don't count, why would you be offended at receiving them from welfare programs?

>>78995

>real-world resources are being consumed for it.

Digital numbers are remarkably renewable.

Also, it's what's happening… right now. That IS the monetary system.

>>78997

They're real enough; their reality and worth come from the point where they are demanded at gunpoint in a non-percentile fashion.

One might want to avoid certain types of real property on that basis.

>why would you be offended at receiving them from welfare programs?

Nothing in that post indicates being offended. It's just telling you how the monetary system operates.

Also…

>>79000

See…

>socialist countries from Nazi Germany

You'll want to look for those little signs that a poster is not worth responding to, anon79000.

>>78997

>Take free fiat currency gibs

The government cancels your gibs after a certain level of income, also if the government were in a serious enough situation they would cancel the gibs since that money is owed to the central and private banks.

>>79002

That's exactly what Hitler did though you pleb. Germany was in a state of hyperinflation so he started printing money willy nilly and enforcing its value via military doctrine. That's pretty much the biggest reason the Americans and British were so fucking pissed off at him before they used other shit to justify going to war. The German economy was experiencing a Keynesian boom and would have collapsed within another decade if not for the war allowing them to use the threat of rape/murder from their enemies (true in the case of the Russians) to keep Germans working in substandard conditions.