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File: 4fce0d1f49881a1⋯.jpg (24.99 KB, 250x189, 250:189, 250px-KWC_-_1989_Aerial.jpg)

 No.77023

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City

Is this a historic ancap experiment?

 No.77112

>shit living conditions, almost total absence of essential infrastructure

>widespread drug use, exertions, murders and organized crime

It's pretty close how I imagine ancap turning out in reality.


 No.77113

>>77112

I was thinking how we KNOW communism turns out actually


 No.77119

>>77113

Are you going to strawmen communism as omnipotent oppressive police states or as lawless crime ridden slums? You can't have both.


 No.77123

>>77119

The regime doesnt care what the people do to each other as long as they dont threaten its power.


 No.77126

>>77123

That's demonstrably untrue. Are you Orthobro or what's up with the compulsory lying?


 No.77127

>>77119

Totalitarianism and lawlessness usually go hand in hand. Government death squads whoever tries to oppose them while at the same time enforcing few laws that are unrelated to their power.


 No.77128

>>77126

>demonstrably untrue


 No.77135

>>77127

Right, but communism, unlike right-wing military juntas, is not totalitarian.


 No.77137

>>77135

except for every time it has been tried for more than a couple weeks


 No.77165

>>77023

si, naturalmente


 No.77226

>>77137

But that wasn't real communism


 No.77230

>>77226

Right, it was state capitalism, the only thing to ever work.


 No.77232

RIP KWC (1945-1991)

STOCK UP ON ESTROGEN PILLS LADS WE ARE BEING RAIDED BY /POL/


 No.77236

>People attacking Kowloon as a result of the PRC

You morons this was in Hong Kong, not the PRC.


 No.77240

>>77236

Everything bad is because of communists, while the good things are caused by capitalism.


 No.77245

>>77240

This is true!


 No.77370

>tfw can't use it for scifi movies and Chinese action flicks any more


 No.77373

>>77023

It was certainly an experiment. But I think it was inconclusive considering how microscopic the scale was compared to any substantial community, how incredibly and artificially confined the "city" was, and the relatively short length of time the community existed.

That said, ancap societies can't exist unless every member is moral and honest, and KWC's members most certainly were not.


 No.77384

File: 88396cd486b1d8c⋯.png (55.67 KB, 600x347, 600:347, e31aac2886868033a754572e00….png)

>>77373

>ancap societies can't exist unless every member is moral and honest

Wrong. The discipline of constant dealings and people communicating with each other incentivises honest behavior. In a system with a monopoly on force, liars and cheats will be more attracted to that power and people who might otherwise act ethically will be tempted to abuse their power.


 No.77395

>>77373

See I think it was pretty successful. You can tell by how forced the evictions had to be so they could bulldoze said city.


 No.77399

>>77113

yeah deflecting with "buh-buh muh GOMMUNISM IS WORSE!" isn't an argument.

It's a big world out there with room for two incredibly shitty ideologies.


 No.77402

>>77395

Every eviction is forced, do you know how much people fight so their squatted slums don't get cleaned up?


 No.77502

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>77023

/ourhouse/!!!


 No.77516

>prostitution and drugs rampant

>daycare centres by day and strip joint by night

Hmm sounds like it was fun for a vacation.


 No.77599

>>77226

>but that wasn't real communism

Because you know what real communism is…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Onj4Wx61ps


 No.77613

File: 108c963e514dc57⋯.jpg (148.16 KB, 577x586, 577:586, 2e_Kobold.jpg)

>>77402

BECAUSE IT'S THEIR PROPERTY, NIGGER!


 No.77637

File: e2f23481050876c⋯.png (163.83 KB, 627x580, 627:580, a340f3457174c1bbc68fa255d0….png)

>>77613

>illegally squatted land is the property of the squatter


 No.77638

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

 No.77660

>>77637

>metaphysical laws


 No.78021

>literally third world economy


 No.78244

It was a success considering Hong Kong wasn't a developed country until the 80s, it was prevented from expanding and had no natural resources what with being located in the middle of a city under two military powerhouse states, was allowed minimum amenities from said states yet was able to make do with only a water source, for which private wells substituted, had decade spanning structures that withstood the test of time sans formal engineering practice and regulation, was peaceful for its income level despite the utter lack of law enforcement, and was so endearingly livable that demand for living there achieved population densities 20-200 times greater than the neighborhoods mere streets beside it.

Name one other social system that effectively turned a backyard with no natural resources (sans access to trade), formal engineering, law and bureaucratic principles, into a bustling city able to sustain more human beings than any modern human settlement, all the while being at most technologically half a decade behind surrounding state run economic leaders.


 No.78274

>>78244

That's a really good point.


 No.78275

>>77637

Well yeah. That's how unowned property becomes owned in the first place. What really prevents property from flip-flopping in ancapistan is the amount of dedication people will put forth in protecting what they invested time and work into. i.e. my house will stay under my ownership because I can choose to pay some DRO's to maintain that right. The amount of fight I'm presenting is what is what's protecting it, not some law that exists in the ether.


 No.78348

File: 246615b2eb4b5bb⋯.jpg (34.43 KB, 657x527, 657:527, 1501441797174.jpg)

>>78244

>>78274

Now imagine it with computers.


 No.78358

>>78244

I wonder why this post didn't pop up sooner. Step up your game /liberty/




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