/liberty/ - Liberty

>>>/pol/

>How can people be so naive?

extended exposure to /pol/

>>74400

>muh ebil women

Kill yourself you lying piece of shit

>>74406

Women don't have to be universally "evil" for Christ-anon's words to be true. The fact of the matter is that the federal divorce system rewards self-centered and sociopathic behavior; even if these traits are normally rare, the strong incentive in their favor makes them more likely to appear than in a free society.

>>74397

Abortion and prostitution should be fought on a societal level with education and propaganda.

You can ban those things if you want, but people will still practice them illegally unless you change their values. Breaking the Jewish monopoly on media would be a good start.

>>74413

>Abortion and prostitution should be fought on a societal level with education and propaganda.

This. The criminal law is not the right tool for the job. Ask anyone why prostitution, drug abuse and gambling should be prohibited, and watch him come up with a response focused on the moral character of the perpetrator. However, the criminal law focuses on actions, not character. It's evident that homicide, theft or robbery should be punished even when committed by someone who's a saint otherwise, but not so with drug abuse. Why lock someone up for doing heroin if he spends the rest of his time dressing as a clown to cheer kids in a hospital up? It doesn't feel right, and the reason for that is because the rationale for criminalizing drug usage is usually not that the act is bad per se, but that it indicates a bad character. Not that many people like to admit that.

>>74408

>>74417

Also this. Not sure what's so hard to understand about incentives for some people.

>>74413

They shouldn't be (((fought))) because there's nothing wrong with them.

>>74397

>>mfw conservative "ancaps" trying to convince me there won't be widespread markets for abortions, prostitution, foreign labour or whatever else they find "degenerate" at the moment

There won't. All of that is caused by state manipulation and coddling.

>>74397

Anarchism isn't about how people should organize themselves but just the idea that people should be free to decide how to organize society how individuals want it. If people want gambling, abortion, prostitution, drugs, and 'foreign' labor I don't see where I get the right to prohibit that by force.

>>74445

what about homosexuality?

>>74549

The state is why your business is forced to serve/hire fags, eliminate the state and they'll be forced to go somewhere else or at the very least drop that stupid lisp.

>>74551

even if state was abolished many people would still be brainwashed to love homosexuals

>>74555

And how do you propose to solve that?

>>74556

The lynching game.

>>74549

Who do you think is funding STD research? Who do you think is paying for their medication?

I'm not saying fags won't exist in AnCapistan (they will), or that they won't be able to afford medication privately (sluts will ensure that those medications get out cheap/have driving demand for competition), but the underlying sexual promiscuity of the average flaming homosexual will severely decrease when the money for drugs and STD research is coming out of private hands since there won't be as much of an incentive for funding it unless it's a secondary effect or an effort to "cure" an STD/make it negligible like mouth herpes. Gays will continue to exist, but they'll likely be more monogamous since sexual deviancy in general won't be subsidized.

>>74561

Good boy, we don't need a state for that, now do we?

>>74564

We actually do not. Just a rope and a tree.

>>74565

And a bigger/faster gun when they shoot back?

>>74563

Fags will stop existing or go into hiding if we lynch them, state or no state.

People forget about vigilantism.

>>74565

That's right. Now keep in mind that just as you have the right to lynch gays. Gays would have the right to lynch you for whatever group you belong to or affiliation you have.

>>74566

Fags will always be ougunned because they are a minority.

They can kill one or two of us, but each time we kill one fag, their pop just drops way lower.

>>74568

Welcome to try.

Willing to see 1% of the pop trying to lynch the 99%.

>>74570

Look, again, this doesn't just apply to gays, if you could just kill anyone for whatever reason you want, then anime faggots and NEETs would also be hanging on trees.

It needs to be more civilized so that people don't constantly kill each other and live in fear. There needs to be trust in society, for that reason NAP exists.

You won't be allowed to kill gays (unless maybe if they attacked you first) but you will have all rights to discriminate against them however you like and other will be able to discriminate against you for whatever reason.

It won't be a shitty liberal society where only gays, women/feminists, niggers and muslims are shown favoritism. The government should be totally unbiased even if they are dealing with Satan himself.

>>74571

I ain't gonna listen to you, fag enabler.

What are you going to do, form a state to protect fags?

>>74569

I don't think you understand how majorities/minorities work.

>>74592

Yeah, remember witch burning, it is like that, without the smoke.

>>74600

Fuck. Fags.

>>74600

>what is NAP

>>74600

That's democracy you're thinking of.

>>74607

Witch burning happened when a bunch of fags were high on LSD and involved a mob chasing after people during a time when muskets were the norm. If the government is scared of a bunch of Rednecks with ARs at a cattle range, and NEETSocs run away when a nigger faggot points a bolt action at them through the window despite outnumbering said faggot 20:1 at an attempted lynching, what makes you think a bunch of armed gays are gonna get bashed?

>>74611

NAP only applies to orthodox Christian hwite males.

>>74781

>Why the hatred of abortion on a libertarian thread? Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard, and a whole host of other libertarians supported it as long as it was voluntarily and not paid by other people.

Rothbards argument on abortion is easily refuted, although he did take an interesting angle. You can be a Rothbardian on everything except abortion, without having to change any of his premises.

>Why the hate against prostitution as well?

I always thought that Rothbardianism was not quite conclusive in the sense that it doesn't tell you what to do in a positive sense. In Rothbards system, the choice to be a religious hermit is just as valid as that of being a hedonist posting loli on /liberty/. This was a feature, though, not a glitch. His system is open for different values, which also means that he didn't proscribe not having any values at all.

>>74786

>Someone has to monopolize force to ensure that contracts are enforced.

They were enforced long before the monopoly of force was invented. This is exactly what the example of the Icelandic Commonwealth proves.

>There is no room for 'moralfags' to push their morality on others

There is, but I'll wait for you to make a coherent argument before I address this.

>>74787

>Alternatively you have mutually assured destruction in case of conflict such that conflict adverted

I'll make a thread, fuck it.

>>74793

No, but for those who want to destroy their own lives something as simple as alcohol addiction or eating tide pods, they should be free to do so. Keep in mind it's not only what an activity is but how often said individual engages in said activity that can be destructive. Take for example eating sweats or smoking tobacco. On their own they are not degenerate but if done often enough they will take their toll. It's the same thing with strippers and sex workers. Someone may just interact with them just during a bachelor party, or they may interact at a more frequent rate. I'll leave you to figure out which is more destructive.

In the case for abortion, yes education is the key. If people know about the dangers of unprotected sex, we will have less problems with STDs as well as abortions. There are a whole host of options to resort to before you need to get an abortion. Pills, condoms, vasectomies, etc. which all would be cheaper in a free market. If DROs introduce complimentary estrogen shots in the event of rape, you could cut down on abortion dramatically.

>>75166

Ancaps hate maturity, they prefer little girls and childish ideologies

>>75202

why don't you tell us who your waifu is so we'll see how mature she is?