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WARNING! Free Speech Zone - all local trashcans will be targeted for destruction by Antifa.

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 No.73026

Merry Christmas!!

 No.73027

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next month buddy


 No.73034

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>>73027

>next month buddy

But Saint Nicholas' Day was three weeks ago :^)


 No.73053

You too.


 No.73554

Happy new year. Let's hope 2018 will be the year when Trump abolishes all regulations so the corporations can peacefully destroy the environment and condemn us all to death.


 No.73556

>>73554

What makes you think he's gonna deregulate anything, if he hasn't done anything to that effect yet? More importantly, what makes you think that making holiday wishes in bad faith doesn't mean you're an asshole? Even I don't call commies assholes on Christmas.


 No.73562

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>>73556

Are you living under a rock? He removed lots of environmental regulations, just look at these:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/05/climate/trump-environment-rules-reversed.html

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/04/trump-emvironmental-rollback-epa-scrap-regulations

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/12/542998622/trump-s-epa-rolls-back-dozens-of-environmental-regulations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_policy_of_the_Donald_Trump_administration

And there's no stopping! Every other day you hear about him allowing direct attacks on the environment and our futures for increased profit, driven in large part by the ideology of free markets that you hold so dear. So yes, you should be proud that corporations are becoming increasingly more """free""" to poison us and our families, because that death cult you call your ideology played an important role in it.


 No.73564

>>73562

>Are you living under a rock? He removed lots of environmental regulations

I'll be with you on that in a second.

>because that death cult you call your ideology played an important role in it.

So you're telling me he's a reactionary anarchocapitalist, and that anarchocapitalists worship death, or was that, perhaps, just some piece of vague rhetoric that no one could possibly give an adequate answer to?


 No.73567

>>73564

>>73562

Now to the environmentalism.

First of all, environmentalism is a fucking retarded ideology. Don't tell me that anthropogenic climate change is scientifically proven. This is not how the debate is actually led. What I see when I look at the arguments of environmentalists are ad hominems, shaming, ad verecundiams, and outright intimidation. You cannot even be a skeptic without having shit thrown at you. You'll be reminded that 97% of all scientists believe in anthropogenic climate change, so you'd be an idiot for not believing in it too, when in fact this number couldn't be more inflated: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/2/#39291dc33414

Now, I may be a dumb idiot who didn't graduate from a STEM-field, but I'm smart enough to know that when shitty research like this is thrown around by the president of the United States, something's wrong.

So much for that. Now, let's look at this:

>>73554

>Let's hope 2018 will be the year when Trump abolishes all regulations so the corporations can peacefully destroy the environment and condemn us all to death.

And this: >>73562

>Every other day you hear about him allowing direct attacks on the environment and our futures for increased profit, driven in large part by the ideology of free markets that you hold so dear. So yes, you should be proud that corporations are becoming increasingly more """free""" to poison us and our families, because that death cult you call your ideology played an important role in it.

You're not just saying that Trump has cut regulations pertaining to the environment. You also implied, from the get go, that these deregulations are part of a larger free market agenda. That begs the question, does this agenda exist?

Trumps proposed budget for 2018 has a 1% lower expenditure than the budget of 2017. The expenditure is still far higher than those of 2016, 2015, or any of the preceeding years. He still proposes to run on a massive deficit, too, one in the middle twelve figure range. He hasn't siginificantly challenged the Fed or its policy, and Ron Paul himself was disappointed in his pick for chair of the Fed. His tax cuts amount to an increase in income after taxation by between one and three percent. You're telling me that this is a man who is deeply inspired by the idea of the free market, even one who follows my ideology?

You could say that technically, I was wrong, because Trump did deregulate something, but technically, no one cares about technicalities but lawyers and analytical philosophers, and neither group would have the right to vote if I had a say in the matter. My general point still stands: There is no large deregulation effort from Trump. If he's cutting back on environmental regulations, that's because he hates environmental policy, not because he loves the market.


 No.73569

>>73554

>>73562

I also wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the deregulations on environmental policy weren't really deregulations at all. Is it a deregulation if companies can run their pipelines wherever they want, even over the property of other people? Hardly. Trump is, and always was, a big fan of eminent domain. The cronyism continues, the ideal of the free market is little nearer to being fulfilled.

You know, if Trump was really inspired by my ideology - which, I cannot stress enough, you said he was - then he would implement Rothbards idea to hold companies accountable to damages they caused to the health or property of others via emissions. Which, no doubt you know, as you are an expert on our ideology, was actually the status quo up until the late 19th century, when British courts decided that literally covering your neighbors house with ash and smog was alright if it serves the greater good. That's another government intervention that ruined things for everybody in the name of the greater good, only for it to turn out to be a horrible idea. Then the market is blamed for whatever damages your little socialism caused, and there's a call for even more regulations.


 No.73570

>>73564

the free market ideology not the lolbert ideology

>>73567

spending doesn't have anything to do with the free market, in fact the freest countries tend to be higher spenders


 No.73575

>>73570

>the free market ideology not the lolbert ideology

So, not actually my ideology, but just, like, half my ideology? Sorry, I can't get anything much more coherent out of what you wrote. How is the free market not one of the

>spending doesn't have anything to do with the free market, in fact the freest countries tend to be higher spenders

Shows me once more that you don't actually know what we're talking about. You cannot have a free market into which the government heavily interferes, that's an oxymoron. Being free is the opposite of being interfered with. If the government spends a lot, that means it taxes a lot. If it taxes a lot, then - by definition - property rights are not upheld, and the economy is not left alone.

Be honest: Have you actually studied any libertarian scholar before you got here? You may think this is a legitimate debate, but I'm explaining absolute basics to you, while all you give me are punchlines. You responded to three posts a pathetic two liner. This may sound harsh, but lurk more, read more, then come back. Right now, you're wasting my time, and you're wasting your time.


 No.73576

>>73570

>>73575

To continue this:

>So, not actually my ideology, but just, like, half my ideology? Sorry, I can't get anything much more coherent out of what you wrote. How is the free market not one of the

How is the free market not one of the main tenets of lolbergtardiafucktardism? Haha, I said lolberts! Are you entertained, you fucking idiot? And is libertarianism not the free market ideology? In fact, I would argue you cannot separate libertarianism and the free market. Without freedom, there is no free market; without a free market, there is no freedom. Simple as that.

Besides, you - yes, YOU - said this:

>>73562

>because that death cult you call your ideology played an important role in it.

>your ideology

>your

>ideology

So, my ideology, then, isn't libertarianism, it's some other free market ideology. By your weird logic, not mine. Or, alternatively, you were shifting the goalposts, and you were doing it badly.


 No.73579

>>73575

>>73576

>So, not actually my ideology, but just, like, half my ideology?

no one (full) ideology that you hold, ie, the free market one


 No.73581

no one is saying that drumpf is an ancap ffs


 No.73584

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, anons.


 No.73594

>>73581

Then he shouldn't have said he holds our ideology. Don't say stupid shit if you don't want to be held accountable for it.


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 No.73600

>>73595

He clarified that only after defamating us. So, fuck him.


 No.73622

fuck "christ"-mas and fuck all of the faux-spirituality the hundreds of millions willingly follow, while not speaking up about the shameless co-option of religious iconography

<BUY OUR WENDYS-BRANDED CHRISTMAS GLOBE, HERE'S THE SON OF GOD APPROVING OF OUR SHITTY PLASTIC PERIPHERAL

<IF U CANT STAND TO SEE OUR SHOPPING HOLIDAY, I BET U CANT STAND FAMILY AND LOVE FUCKER

and that's not even counting the foundation of the catholic church fabricating it and holloween to make the colonized pagans and natives to feel less triggered about their forced conversion, and the bullshit 'folklore' that would made "Internet Folklore" proud of its fake 'heritage' stories.

Good luck with 2018 to the rest of all people though, time will tell for every person's lives.


 No.73626

>>73622

Happy New Year, Smiley.


 No.73628

Happy New year, /liberty/


 No.73637

>>73622

fug off I really like halloween in its current form and christmas is the only gift giving holiday and is super cozy

I dont care what its origins are, (either the recent commercial origins OR the older spiritual ones) but I love the decorum and fun of halloween and making everything spooky and I love cozying up with my loved ones with a nice christmass dinner and giving them all gifts and getting gifts


 No.73642




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