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 No.72950

Especially at Christmas time, many talk about and do donate to charity. Do you think it's good to donate to non-profit NGO's? How useful would they be in a stateless society?

I see the need for food banks, homeless shelters and the like greatly diminishing with more people getting jobs, but what about charitable hospitals (ie, a freak accident happens upon you and you don't have the money to cover the medical bills)? Is disaster relief a good idea? etc? I know that an organization that will feed you because you don't have a job is just as bad as state welfare, but what about voluntarily funded safety nets for absolute worst case scenarios? Should that just be left to the family of the unfortunate? What if they are all dirt poor too, or dead?

If you think it's a good idea to donate to such organizations, which do you think are good ones?

It seems like so many big ones are corrupt/have good intentions but end up making things worse (Red Cross; African aid in general).

 No.72951

>>72950

Forgot to ask about other non-profits to donate to, ie Mises, Project Gutenberg, etc.


 No.72955

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>>72950

Most people donate without really knowing the charity. As a rule of thumb, if it's a national charity, there's about an 80% chance it's complete and utter shit with a few exceptions such as arguably the Make-A-Wish Foundation.

>How useful would they be in a stateless society?

I'm speaking as a Greek Orthodox Christian raised in an LDS household, but NGOs have been very important to my family growing up, and were part of what kept my mother from becoming a complete state parasite when I was a kid.

Vid related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBZWeh31TIs

>but what about charitable hospitals (ie, a freak accident happens upon you and you don't have the money to cover the medical bills)?

I largely believe we'd see a return of fraternal societies with a more private industry assuming the AMA didn't rear their fugly head. The whole point of fraternal societies was it's health insurance, your doctor, and potentially even the hospital all rolled into one package. If you aren't willing to take the minimum precautions, there might be charitable organizations that don't require you to pay it forward, but chances are you'll have to pay an exponential cost for not finding an affordable plan in a truly private market (not this abortion of a medical industry we currently have). Realistically if you don't put oil in your engine/antifreeze in your radiator because you don't want to pay the upkeep costs, it's your own fault when your vehicle goes kaput on you. There is no difference in healthcare even if "human lives" may be at stake. It's the same concepts.

>Is disaster relief a good idea?

Sure, so is price gouging because it will end up getting cheap goods on location quicker.

>but what about voluntarily funded safety nets for absolute worst case scenarios?

NGOs already exist for that, especially within the church networks. The biggest change might be unemployment insurance being tied to health/life insurance.

>If you think it's a good idea to donate to such organizations, which do you think are good ones?

This is an increasingly difficult question. Two years ago I might have said the Restore Nineveh Now Foundation was a good organization if you wanted to help Christians in that region. Now I think it's a giant con artist scam. If you want a comprehensive list, look at: https://www.charitywatch.org/home

If the charity has an overhead cost of less than 20% and a Cost to Raise $100 of under $25, chances are it's not horrible. Ideally overhead should stay below 15% and Cost to Raise should stay under $15, but we don't live in an ideal world. Their full services cost money, but you can look at their "short list" of "best charities" for free. Keep in mind they rightfully list the NRA as a gun control group and don't really have much data on certain topics that generally aren't associated with charity.


 No.72962

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>>72950

We covered this topic a number of months back. David Beito wrote a very well researched book entitled From Mutual Aid to the Welfare State: Fraternal Societies and Social Services, 1890-1967. Up until the creation of the welfare state close to 1 in 5 adults was a member of a fraternal or mutual benefit society. We would most likely see this happen again, maybe not in the same form as the fraternities of the past, but something similar if there where no government gibs to hand out.


 No.72970

Anarchy has no religion


 No.72986

>>72970

This thread is about charity, and not religion.


 No.72987

I have to go shortly so this will only be a short reply. I will try to say more later.

>>72955

>CharityWatch

>American Red Cross, Clinton Foundation and Planned Parenthood all get favorable scores

Clearly some of that data they are missing is very important. I would definitely need to supplement this with something more in depth, perhaps just personal research.

>>72962

I looked in the catalog and couldn't find anything, so I figured it would be good to make a new thread. I have heard a bit about fraternal societies and will definitely watch that video later. Insurance didn't occur to me when I made the comment about absolute worst cases.

Again though, what about other non-profit NGO's, not necessarily ones that provide social safety nets? Academic organizations such as the Mises Institute or Project Gutenberg. Is Wikimedia worth donating to? Other similar academic/educational organizations? I know there's that one that makes the cartoons about ancap stuff (I forget what it's called). I've read a tiny bit about FREE, are there activist groups that actually do good that are worth donating to?


 No.73000

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>>72987

>I would definitely need to supplement this with something more in depth, perhaps just personal research.

Oh definitely, just pointing out they're a good starting point. Charitywatch worries more about if the charity is getting money where they designate it to go instead of it going to overhead and such, they don't look into what those programs it's going to necessarily are so long as it's in line with the charity itself and not something unrelated. I should have specified that. Skip to 2:25 on fake news video for one of Charity Watch figurehead's explanation for the A rating on Clinton foundation.


 No.73018

look up impact investment and pay-for-success

modern charity is a scam to merge corporate and state power


 No.73039

>>73018

i cant find wikipedia art on pay-for-success




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