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WARNING! Free Speech Zone - all local trashcans will be targeted for destruction by Antifa.

File: 0d45ac616b0d80a⋯.png (190.69 KB, 1284x533, 1284:533, political.PNG)

 No.72914

 No.72920

File: e83ee5ffec07895⋯.png (168.33 KB, 720x1280, 9:16, Screenshot_2017-12-22-01-4….png)

File: 8342db135932360⋯.png (245.24 KB, 720x1280, 9:16, Screenshot_2017-12-22-01-4….png)

Here cia


 No.72922

File: 8f2dd5b490c3d8b⋯.png (410.26 KB, 1692x528, 141:44, scales.png)

>>72920

i lik crkt


 No.72923


 No.72924

File: 42d74e1a3c425ac⋯.jpg (20.32 KB, 476x309, 476:309, huh.JPG)

File: 6dcbffe123f1b04⋯.jpg (103.87 KB, 1269x462, 423:154, axs.JPG)

Faggots, all.


 No.72925

File: f14b86c02776669⋯.png (245.96 KB, 767x750, 767:750, 327ef339d3049a20f2dfad6e63….png)

>>72923

Triggered much?


 No.72927

File: e296aa59d70d565⋯.png (326.19 KB, 1816x876, 454:219, Untitled.png)


 No.72928

>Individuals who get out of prison should be accompanied in their reinsertion.

what


 No.72929

File: e2bf16dac46061e⋯.png (14.74 KB, 716x367, 716:367, 1.png)

File: bbc1c86ba5ec3b0⋯.png (379.39 KB, 1788x697, 1788:697, 2.png)

File: b3a1475f607e3a7⋯.png (85.9 KB, 1794x433, 1794:433, 3.png)


 No.72930

File: 8ecec4b5d21beaa⋯.png (3.83 KB, 446x296, 223:148, 2.png)

File: fa844566973abee⋯.png (159.21 KB, 1282x498, 641:249, 1.png)

Not really sure why the white flag


 No.72934

File: 193ce2fd80f9cbd⋯.png (323.25 KB, 1829x1674, 59:54, politiscale.png)


 No.72940

File: 6b42c71765fe075⋯.png (10.24 KB, 574x353, 574:353, flag.png)

File: f3fadb85f37f22c⋯.png (307.6 KB, 1781x706, 1781:706, bars.png)

In all aspects I am an anarcho-capitalist but I find common ground with anarchists with regards to social issues.


 No.72941

>>72928

Probably probation or some kind of monitoring


 No.72942

File: d6d11745b8406ae⋯.png (293.41 KB, 1820x752, 455:188, values.png)

someone give me a medal


 No.72943

File: f13a46f4763afc4⋯.png (7.14 KB, 512x256, 2:1, Fatherland · Work · Libert….png)

>>72914

Essentialism over Constructivism

Rehabilitative justice over Punitive justice

Conservatism over Progressivism

Nationalism over Internationalism

Capitalism over Communism

Laissez-faire over Regulationism

Productivism over Ecology

Revolution over Reform


 No.72944

>>72943

Bundle theory: everything is a bundle of essential properties.

Certain Races and the Female Sex are heavily associated with the characteristics that produce innate resistance to a free society, and also an innate inability to succeed in such a society, for a free society to function, women and non-whites must be kept out of power.

As for the other races who COULD succeed in a free society and support the development in such a nation, there are other problems, first east asians are so much more intelligent, that they force out whites from positions of influence in their own countries, they also bring in a foreign culture that replaces our own, and Jews are only honest and trustworthy with other Jews, they lie, and swindle, and manipulate whites into destroying their own countries, if only one race is to be kept out at all costs, it must be them.

The other notable problem with a non-ethnostate is the lowering of IQ, and therefore the chances of success, in the countries we take them out of, in the same way taking large fish out of a pond rains the fish into becoming smaller, taing the smartest people out of countries trains the population to become stupider, and the resultant idiocracy produces overpopulation, oppression, war, famine, plagues, etc. that white countries have to pay to ameliorate, which then produces more overpopulation, which triggers the rest of the cycle to repeat. This "Brain Drain" is not theoretical, it's effects are best seen in India or in countries all over Africa.

to quote /pol/, "if any real chance at change exists, it's gonna be through a violent uprising", Trump is a civic nationalist, he's in good with the Jews, and he's only going to go so far, but after his 8 years are up, we need to plan a takeover, and we need to work with /pol/ to decide what nation it's gonna be, we have to work with them, we have to compromise, forget principles, focus on results, be pragmatic.

Ancap doesn't work, but Minarchism does, Open-borders definitely doesn't work, white-only borders does, Religious traditionalism doesn't work, but Secular traditionalism does, all of these are compromises to reality either on /pol/ack or /liberty/ ideas.


 No.72945

File: 67f1cf230b51c03⋯.jpg (43.65 KB, 897x518, 897:518, Screenshot_20171222-204949.jpg)

File: b82bca4b757c28c⋯.jpg (522.91 KB, 913x2210, 913:2210, Screenshot_20171222-204910.jpg)

Hello, NSA.


 No.72947

File: 091c910ed9cffca⋯.png (283.11 KB, 1080x1920, 9:16, Screenshot_20171222-170926.png)

File: 59750d26b8fdd1d⋯.png (500.3 KB, 1080x1920, 9:16, Screenshot_20171222-171002.png)

Well, I got this, but I don't really think it accurately represents my views. I think there should be a national government that exists only to administer a universal healthcare system with a more distributed model than our current hospital-centric system and a focus on preventative care, UBI set just high enough that people can squeeze by without dying of starvation or exposure if they choose to work for themselves or out of charity, and a judicial system with the sole mandate of preventing violence and rehabilitating criminals.

Everything else should be handled by the free market, but that's going to have to come with a cultural shift away from urbanization and large corporations that rely on government enforcement of abstract conceptions of property. I support private property in the sense that someone shouldn't be able to steal my car out of the parking lot at work, but not in the sense that someone can be personally harmed by the loss of an object that he's never seen that was made "for him" by a person he's never met in a factory he's never set foot in out of parts purchased without his direct input. This won't put an end to technological development, but feats like manufacturing modern computers will require collaboration between many smaller cooperatives rather than a single monolithic entity.


 No.72949

File: e1fdca5cb1f933f⋯.png (283.11 KB, 1469x829, 1469:829, hi_dataminers.png)

Ayy lmao, datamining thread. This is the first test to call me "progressive" where every other test considers me ultraconservative for not wanting to kill babies/let women get raped by refugees/for believing in race.


 No.72952

File: 0e94e7c4d92547f⋯.jpg (118.18 KB, 1024x717, 1024:717, 0e94e7c4d92547ff680ba0bd34….jpg)

Answered honestly. How do you get AnCap flag instead of FakeCap flag? Where the fuck did FakeCap flag come from?

>>72922

>>72927

>>72934

>>72945

>Punitive Justice

Ew, why?

>>72924

Have fun with that broken economy.

>>72929

>muh perfect production!

>>72930

>Strictly neutral meme

>>72943

>>72944

No one cares. Post the actual results, faggot.

>>72947

>Healthcare

Why not a return to fraternal societies?

>UBI

I'm more sympathetic to UBI than most capitalists, but why UBI and not PUBI so as to prevent parasitism?

>Preventing violence

<Muh slippery slope!


 No.72953

As a triple-post side-note, I find it interesting (but not surprising) how commies tend to very much consider social constructs and social identity as part of their ideological basis while most Capitalists tend to be very much essentialists according to these charts (so far). Kinda puts a more ethical/philosophical spin on the differences questions past "muh proletariat" and "muh absolute private property" shitposting. Also laughing at how all the "An"Coms want a super-regulated market.


 No.72958

>>72952

>restorative justice

Two eyes for an eye, faggo


 No.72959

>>72952

>>72949

>>72953

kill yourself you lying faggot


 No.72960

>>72952

>Why not a return to fraternal societies?

Not a bad thing, but not a direct replacement for a national healthcare system.

>I'm more sympathetic to UBI than most capitalists, but why UBI and not PUBI so as to prevent parasitism?

I'm not familiar with the term, and Google isn't helping. Can you clarify this? Anyhow, parasitism isn't actually a problem. The vast majority of "freeloaders" are just people working for themselves instead of working for others. Homemakers, artists, and scholars are still contributing to society despite the fact that they produce no widgets to add to a company's bottom line. Actual, legitimate hikki NEETs are an extremely rare occurrence and not worth building out an infrastructure to police.

>Muh slippery slope!

I think you misunderstand. I'm not trying to go full Nazi/SJW and deport entire """"problematic"""" populations to Timbuktu. My point was that every law should have the goal of reducing harm done to the public, and should be verified for their effectiveness. In our current system, many laws actually result in an increase to harm done: drug prohibition creates organized crime and gang warfare, gun control incentivizes muggings and home invasions when criminals know they're very unlikely to come across anyone armed with more than a pocket knife, etc. Hell, we're throwing kids in prison for decades for sexting, which violates laws intended to protect minors.

We've completely forgotten why laws are supposed to exist- to discourage people from harming others- and now we just make laws for the sake of having laws. And then each year when there's more criminals (purely because previously legal things are now illegal), people freak out and demand more laws to fix an imaginary crime explosion. It's an utter fucking travesty, and it's the very first thing that needs to be fixed to create a sustainable society.


 No.72963

File: b88d697a2c2d964⋯.png (4.02 KB, 512x256, 2:1, wlc.png)

File: e5206000c90d358⋯.jpg (102.46 KB, 1271x495, 1271:495, chart.JPG)

File: 8ca09a97ea7c838⋯.jpg (34.8 KB, 1272x294, 212:49, ac.JPG)

>>72914

Greetings, my dear dataminer.


 No.72971

File: 8b771ae3d59bf4e⋯.png (50.71 KB, 1366x676, 683:338, Screenshot from 2017-12-23….png)

File: f6c29f4866211b1⋯.png (210.07 KB, 1366x676, 683:338, Screenshot from 2017-12-23….png)


 No.72972

Anarchism is not a political movement


 No.72973

Essentialists need to commit suicide ASAP


 No.72977

>>72953

Anybody who considers the constructivism, essentialism dichotomy to be apart of their political philosophy is retarded.


 No.72985

>constructivism vs. essentialism

What are these?


 No.72988

>>72914

>delocalization is a necessary evil to improve production.

It's not an evil at all. Whichever one I answer it will still be wrong.


 No.72989

>>72914

>My country must pay for the damages caused by the crimes it commited in other countries.

Way too many of these question are impossible to answer from an AnCap position with these options.


 No.72990

File: 4c1733eeda6b030⋯.jpg (71.51 KB, 732x1024, 183:256, fadbd53113b762ead4482a11f5….jpg)

>>72985

> Constructivism / Essentialism

> Why are the people how they are? This axis allows you to situate yourself between two opposite poles which answer this question.

> The constructivists consider that people build themselves from their environment (notably social) and that the caracteristics that make them who they are, are acquired.

> On the contrary, the essentialists consider that an individual is by nature how he/she is and that his/her caracteristics which make this person who she/he is, are innate.

http://politiscales.la-commune.net/en_US/help/

"build themselves" seems to be a mistranslation though


 No.72991

>>72989

> The questions assume that your are a citizen of a multi-parti political system and a market economy.


 No.72992

>>72991

Some of these make answering others completely irrelevant. It could have easily started with "Do you believe the State should be abolished?" and skipped a bunch of crap related to the State.

Same goes for Free Market vs Interventionism.


 No.72993

>>72990

Basically idpol.

I honestly don't give a shit what one thinks is the way things are but implementing policies based off of either constructivism or essentialism is a big no no for me.


 No.72994

>>72989

i know


 No.72996

>>72977

Anybody who tries to separate philosophy/ethics from politics is a disingenuous cunt.


 No.73001

>>72996

Okay, enjoy your eugenics or mk ultra programs.


 No.73005

>>72945

i got same flag


 No.73006

File: 78454bd76c96045⋯.png (156.69 KB, 443x402, 443:402, 78454bd76c9604566e66e700ec….png)


 No.73007

>>73001

>Okay, enjoy your eugenics or mk ultra programs.

We're not the ones sniffing Plato's balls. There's nothing of the sort to "enjoy" in our case. Bad philosophy leads to bad politics and there is no such thing as politics outside philosophy.


 No.73010

FATHERLAND WORK FAMILY

I DO NOT BELONG HERE


 No.73014

>>72992

I know, I still don't get why nobody made a test where the questions were actually organized as a tree instead of the linear fashion.


 No.73015

>>72993

You can't avoid it. Look at the other categories, many depend on the Constructivism-Essentialism choice to some extent. For example, there's no point in rehabilitative justice if criminals commit crimes because they are criminals in essence and not by circumstance.


 No.73022

>>72993

Identity politics, as /leftypol/ likes to complain about, imply normative claims applied to innate, non-character related traits. Belief in the innate or alterable nature of character is a much more tangible issue in politics.


 No.73023

>>72953

Communists believe in a single global proletariat that's artificially divided to keep them weak, and capitalists believe that success is a result of inherent superiority. The concepts are not necessarily tied together; for example, Marx didn't actually dislike nobility, he disliked new money who didn't feel the same obligation to provide for their subjects, and there's plenty of capitalists out there who think that making it big requires enormous amounts of luck (and hard work, obviously, but everyone is capable of hard work if you believe in constructionism) rather than primarily genetics. However, it's not hard to see why a view on one would lend itself to a certain view on the other.


 No.73028

People who have a high "essentialism" score are brainlets. No exceptions.


 No.73029

>>72914

got capitalist fascist at 8values

>>73028

always nice to see a communist call someone a brainlet


 No.73030

>>73029

Marxism has an extremely rich academic background. Lolberts and fascists have jack shit.

Do you even know what a brainlet is?


 No.73031

>>73030

>rich academic background

doesn’t make it any better


 No.73032

>>73029

>capitalist fascist

Strongly consider ending your own life.


 No.73037

>>73028

read science faggot


 No.73041

File: 61447eb8d6ef069⋯.jpg (186.64 KB, 1412x1274, 706:637, my political test.JPG)

Look at your true master.


 No.73044

>>73041

you are religious arent you?


 No.73088

>>72952

To discourage those things you don't want people to do.


 No.73135

>>73028

constructivism is materialistic, ergo degnerate and decadent


 No.73230

>>73032

oo, sissy


 No.73233

>>73030

Easy to say when all you read is Marxist. Never mind all the scholars we have name dropped throughout all the threads here. Why are Marxists so lazy?


 No.73255

File: 196a9b805703dd3⋯.png (165.27 KB, 509x1023, 509:1023, Screenshot(32).png)

File: 5e56a48a0e2e862⋯.png (17.18 KB, 661x375, 661:375, Screenshot(31).png)

Who am I?


 No.73259

File: 8f5854d32f6305b⋯.png (6.42 KB, 542x312, 271:156, Screenshot (36).png)

File: dd9ea0250a54988⋯.png (217.2 KB, 1292x604, 323:151, Screenshot (35).png)


 No.73282

>>73255

korwin if not for regolution and rehabitive justice


 No.73424

File: 8852947f7664eb4⋯.jpeg (89.12 KB, 1030x762, 515:381, image.jpeg)

File: c132ff0f86f781e⋯.jpeg (337.43 KB, 1110x1890, 37:63, image.jpeg)

Objectivist


 No.73474

>>73424

>nationalist

>objectivist

???


 No.73654

Fatherland - Work - Family

7% Neutral - 93% Essentialism

40% Rehabilitative justice - 17% Neutral - 43% Punitive justice

7% Progressivism - 12% Neutral - 81% Conservatism

5% Internationalism - 12% Neutral - 83% Nationalism

21% Communism - 24% Neutral - 55% Capitalism

48% Regulationism - 33% Neutral - 19% Laissez-faire

19% Ecology - 38% Neutral - 43% Productivism

60% Revolution - 28% Neutral - 12% Reformism

Complotism : the biggest problems of our society are the work of a small group of people. It is then essential to find them, inform the people of their objective and neutralize them.

Missionnary : for you religon is important, especially yours. It is therefore appropriate to spread it as globally as possible.


 No.73662

>>73259

>only 2% ecology

fuck you


 No.73664

>>73662

That's not 2% ecology, that's 2% neutral.


 No.73666

>>73662

t.hippie


 No.73688

File: be63c374a270e7e⋯.png (15.65 KB, 1334x490, 667:245, result 1.png)

File: d0063c468f7ea66⋯.png (222.29 KB, 1324x649, 1324:649, result 2.png)

File: efbeb5702215776⋯.png (56.85 KB, 1321x381, 1321:381, result 3.png)


 No.73690

File: 5c86a06c5ce065c⋯.jpg (18.2 KB, 460x198, 230:99, VESu7.jpg)

>>73474

>wow look at that 5%! He's totally a nationalist!


 No.73691

File: 193f636b0634969⋯.jpg (33.55 KB, 775x359, 775:359, 9Yibw.jpg)

>>73690

wrong flag


 No.73705

File: ecf670e67e70c62⋯.png (8.24 KB, 542x347, 542:347, screenshot-politiscales.la….png)

File: 82715da2a17a072⋯.png (88.98 KB, 1298x455, 1298:455, screenshot-politiscales.la….png)

File: 8665e9e1bf4ea7e⋯.png (246.03 KB, 1293x617, 1293:617, screenshot-politiscales.la….png)

>hate nonwhites and leftists almost as much as I hate the government that enables them to continue existing


 No.73709

>>73705

>Fatherland | Liberty | Work

>>73424

>Fatherland | Work | Liberty

wut

This is totally made by a leftist


 No.73710

File: 22f442732c8205e⋯.jpg (56.97 KB, 850x400, 17:8, 22f442732c8205e25968536be7….jpg)

File: 7d088f204c0e43a⋯.jpg (29.75 KB, 480x373, 480:373, 7d088f204c0e43aa6b27cf0b23….jpg)

>>73709

You scored higher on laissez-faire than capitalism, and the opposite for one you cited.

The fact that work is in place of capitalism makes me thing this is a righist quiz.


 No.73717

File: c8d0c38e3e1327a⋯.png (11.31 KB, 637x372, 637:372, PolitiScales_1.PNG)

File: d93efd49ae5c840⋯.png (297.34 KB, 1765x719, 1765:719, PolitiScales_2.PNG)

File: b0ee5bd5e5ab3d4⋯.png (121.63 KB, 1764x511, 252:73, PolitiScales_3.PNG)

here ya go, fbi

pls no bully


 No.73718

>>73717

This website is 18+ only


 No.73719

File: 27397566c3084d3⋯.png (5.77 KB, 456x270, 76:45, Screenshot (37).png)

File: e77dcaea776d441⋯.png (146.1 KB, 1287x471, 429:157, Screenshot (38).png)

File: 1cbf32ae2cad532⋯.png (40.48 KB, 1103x206, 1103:206, Screenshot (39).png)

Went back to redo my original here >>73259. I wanted to reduce the amount of neutrality by focusing on it as 'all or nothing' decisions. There were still areas I could not answer fully one way or the other, as the questions written reflect the political and economic bias of the author.


 No.73720

>>73719

selected wrong flag by mistake. It really is me.


 No.75299

File: acf92b04436674c⋯.png (66.57 KB, 480x800, 3:5, Screenshot_20180128-180134.png)

File: d299f806a520c5e⋯.png (114.59 KB, 480x800, 3:5, Screenshot_20180128-180158.png)

File: 9093f737380371d⋯.png (96.42 KB, 480x800, 3:5, Screenshot_20180128-180206.png)

Nobody is going to like these results


 No.75347

File: 173059e8ed2c19e⋯.png (45.38 KB, 1729x596, 1729:596, what dis..PNG)

File: 9f2d194b04e0aa5⋯.png (403.18 KB, 1715x938, 245:134, what dis2.PNG)

???


 No.75404

File: bc82beff8e94a51⋯.jpg (18.75 KB, 475x300, 19:12, Capture.JPG)

File: c47741cc41b2720⋯.jpg (99.04 KB, 1288x489, 1288:489, Capture 1.JPG)

File: 0d93155e74c67d1⋯.jpg (153.24 KB, 600x575, 24:23, parkchun.jpg)

I wouldn't be surprised if my gook roots have anything to do with this.


 No.75425

May not be totally accurate as I did plenty of fenceshitting on the more ambiguous or (((cleverly worded))) statements.

I think a combination of limited state with certain facets of government control such as anti-trust/anti-monopoly laws and a national bank (which is prohibited from granting loans, so it's literally just a metal vault hole-in-the-ground to store your money- paid by your taxes). Nationalism+homogeneous race&culture a must.


 No.75426

File: 3b9a58f56b6869e⋯.png (267.45 KB, 1497x581, 1497:581, bars.png)

File: a3a299b89e074c4⋯.png (15.66 KB, 531x304, 531:304, flag.png)

>>75425

I forgot to crop my shit, sorry.


 No.75455

File: 0f74b6b0e202b17⋯.png (11.47 KB, 541x365, 541:365, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 6e1efbbfb50bc60⋯.png (282.17 KB, 1477x621, 1477:621, ClipboardImage.png)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


 No.75493

>>75404

likely, Asians have strong in-group preference.




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