/liberty/ - Liberty

Interesting coincidence, I came here thinking about getting some thoughts on starting a popular libertarian party in Italy.

We are the country where, in the past, a communist party ever had more votes in a free election. Today we are on the verge of collapse and I don't know what keeps us up. The tax rate is out of control (from 70% and up in practice), people don't understand private property anymore, everyone think that to do business you need the State money and its permissions.

A lot of work must be done before scoring a win and I think re-educational propaganda must come first.

I truly understood the power of propaganda only recently. I listened to the Tom Woods show almost every day since May, and I noticed that not only I got better at giving arguments against the State, but a good amount of my positions shifted. Of course, the Tom Woods show is not a propaganda show, but it is clearly biased and it shifted my ideas.

If we watch what the people of Europe are subjected to we see that leftism is everywhere: schools, tv shows, articles, meme, etc

I think overwriting this bias by putting libertarian content out it's the first step. I am not just talking about political content, but subtle content put in reviews, funny articles, etc but even books for middle and high schools, like history books, philosophy books, and then convincing the professors to use them. Maybe making some tall guys on roids do the convincing, or the money when available. I don't know.

The propaganda machine must be extremely strong and it must be built so it can be mostly self-financed.

I think it's also key to make propaganda aimed at armed forces, healthcare professionals and some kind of bureaucrats (like those that collect tax revenues), in order to lower the chance of violent leftists actions and gain strong support from society. How to make propaganda towards them, I have no idea, but a way can be found.

Those are just silly ideas and random tactics floating in my mind. Only by putting it in practice one can truly see what works and what doesn't. Only by playing a game one can find a way to win, and if I were to play, I would like to win and win big.

I think it's very important to play to win, because this way one will held himself and his companions to the highest standard.

>>70771

Scheitern ist natürlich eine Option aber auch immer noch relativ. Wenn du eine bessere Möglichkeit weißt soetwas wie die Österreichische Schule nachhaltig durchzusetzen dann sag es mir.

> Only by playing a game one can find a way to win, and if I were to play, I would like to win and win big.

That's sort of my mindset. Ultimately, discussing the gold standard on imageboards ad nauseam won't have any effect on the public discourse. You have to expose the views you hold if you want them to be reviewed and maybe even accepted.

>>70760

>We are the country where, in the past, a communist party ever had more votes in a free election. Today we are on the verge of collapse and I don't know what keeps us up. The tax rate is out of control (from 70% and up in practice), people don't understand private property anymore, everyone think that to do business you need the State money and its permissions

Sad, but true.

>I came here thinking about getting some thoughts on starting a popular libertarian party in Italy

Guarda, se ce la fai ti appoggio con tutto me stesso.

Tuttavia, far cambiare idea ad un popolo con una mentalità fortemente interventista come il nostro è una vera impresa.

>>70756

acquiring office is about capitalizing on existing opportunities

creating those is done with media

its not clear whether organized media remains relevant

economics and political philosophy is a particularly hard sell. you would advertise going after symptoms (like the swamp, etc) and then leveraging the fact that its a representative democracy

also keep in mind there is a lot of inertia with information distribution, and taking over power (over some office). most likely there will be some alliance with some of the people who hold power currently. completely taking over a country is a very long process where you systematically subvert all kinds of offices and institutions and media

maybe check out andrew breitbard and steve bannon.

>>70756

Honestly fam, if you post on the chans. Never go into politics. Your enemies will find out and make you a social outcast.

I would totally think about politics, except I did stupid stuff as a kid, like repeatedly claiming I joined the military to people on the internet. I don't talk about it and I don't think anyone remembers. But I won't even consider running for anything big because of these stupid little things.

That and I'm still afraid someone is going to link me to an account on exhentai.

>>70814

nobody cares about these small things

remember pussy grabbing and various corruption all over the gov

>>70814

Did you post it under your name or do you think "they" still have your newsgroup comments from 2001?

>>70825

The latter. For reference, some of the were SA Goons. I was too inexperienced to know at the time how bad goons are.

>>70818

>implying they won't use every single thing they can get their hands on to use against you

If they can get a copy of your post history or someone can connect you to posts, they'll use it. Especially against us here who are outside the normal party structures.

>>70879

Das Wort "Freiheitlich" in FPÖ ist nur Zierde. Das einzige in der Richtung was sie vertreten ist die, in Österreich verpflichtende, Mitgliedschaft im Kammerwesen abschaffen zu wollen. Aber auch nur weil das so eklatant falsch ist.

Wehrpflicht ist aber wieder ganz geil und Mindestlöhne- und Pensionen müssen dann doch sein. Solche Sachen und dergleichen mehr eben.

Wenn es hier soetwas wie die AfD geben würde, wäre ich auch zufrieden, die bedient ausreichend libertäre Themen. Nur ist hier eben alles eine Wahl zwischen Pest und Cholera.

Einen thinktank? Wäre doch wohl nicht weniger herausfordernd, aber vermutlich weniger nützlich, als eine politische Partei, oder?

>>70894

>Wenn es hier soetwas wie die AfD geben würde, wäre ich auch zufrieden, die bedient ausreichend libertäre Themen. Nur ist hier eben alles eine Wahl zwischen Pest und Cholera.

Anscheinend ist die FPÖ so etwas wie eine etablierte AfD. Naja ich bin froh, dass sie noch so einen radikalen Strich hat.

>Einen thinktank? Wäre doch wohl nicht weniger herausfordernd, aber vermutlich weniger nützlich, als eine politische Partei, oder?

Was meinst du wie die AfD angefangen hat? Es gab sehr viele Wirtschaftsprofessoren, die die EU und den Transfer und das EInstehen für des anderen Schulden schwer kritisiert hat. Bernd Lucke selber war ein Wirtschaftsprofessor.

Das wichtigste für Freiheitliche Politische-Philosophie ist das man Präsenz schafft, Leute aufklärt. Das Problem wenn man eine politische Partei schafft und das darüber versucht, ist das du quasi versuchst die Leute einer anderen Religion zu bekehren, während bei einem Thinktank du Diskussionen mit Leuten haben kannst, ohne diesen Hintergedanken.