/liberty/ - Liberty

internet culture is explicitly getting worse, because it's getting more popular (& more politicized, the net always had libertarian undertones but now most everyone's leftist)

i miss 2006 and i miss all the onions that went down with freedom hosting and i miss old good /jp/ and i miss nintendo animations on newgrounds and i miss topical bbs forums etc etc

>>68386

because faggots like you keep deleting good threads

The last time USA and the West as a whole at least pretended to care about honest good principles was during the Cold War when the West had to prove they were ideologically better. These days it's all a game to get power within the system one way or another. Principles are either a tool or an obstacle. Nobody in mainstream power honestly gives a shit about upholding the principles that made the West good in the first place.

>>68385

Mainstream culture is getting more and more retarded. Not even edgy, just retarded. It's just like in that movie "Idiocracy".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrwGWCxeKiw

Let's not let the ideological divide get in the way of what's being said because it is pretty interesting and counter intuitive to typical preconceived notions surrounding your average person inherently being stupid. There is a systematic effort to dumb down the population so we don't question the actions of those in power. The normal working person wasn't always a blithering idiot like they are today.

>>68452

Good point about how we're enemy #2. With regards to being enemies of the left in particular:

"In the minds of the typical academic or journalist, the central crime of the libertarians is that they want to leave people alone, and reduce government power. This fact alone makes libertarians despicable."

"What Buchanan's people did not understand was that no matter how much one tries to play "nice" with the mainstream media and mainstream academia, they'll never get beyond their hatred of anyone who favors lower taxes, decentralization, or even the most general libertarian positions."

https://mises.org/blog/washington-posts-latest-and-lamest-attack-mises-institute

Cultural inertia generating frustrated demands for change looks like stupidity. The cultural inertia looks stupid, and the frustrated demands look stupid.

>>68469

>>68486

If culture is going to be eugenicist, I wish it'd be openly eugenicist instead of snarkily eugenicist.

>>68476

>Chomsky

>I actually tried to listen anyways, but sound on Youtube hasn't been working for me lately.

Can you summarize what he's got to say about the topic? Perhaps link a text version? Ideas that speak to the capacity and initiative of the average person are a nectar to individualist thought.

>>68385

I know some super smart people who I would of written off as stupid if I only had to go off their political views. I guess politics like everything else is something you have to have an interest in and it's not like a litmus test of intelligence.

>>68476

Chomsky isn't always right and steals other peuples ideas, but I'll take a listen

>>68520

No surprise there. I'd sound like a stupid asshole too if I took to engineering, programming, hairdressing or the most basic rules in football. Knowing when your competences are insufficient is a particularly underrated part of wisdom. It takes a full year of dedicated study to become anything approaching an informed voter. More like two or three years, really. And that's "informed". Not "good". People tend to neglect that. It requires political philosophy, economics, legal studies, criminology, sociology, and even the natural sciences if you want to have anything to do with global warming. One in a thousand people in each country (high estimate) has it in him to live up to the ideal of the informed voter.

>>68598

The people who rule the world are easy to believe lies about because their competency is so clearly inadequate. Instead of complaining that people don't trust authority enough, how about you stop false-flagging?

>>68613

>Instead of complaining that people don't trust authority enough

I didn't say this anywhere, faggot. Nor does it follow from what I said. It doesn't follow from the fact that people are too dumb to vote that they should trust their authorities (who, in case you missed it, are often barely more qualified).

>>68615

People should be intellectually bold. If you're not false-flagging, you know how vital that was in getting you where you got to. Be less elitist, and your ideas may actually see real-world expression. Or you could keep fretting about "global warming", ensuring that attentive people notice you're faking your flag for propaganda purposes even as you spread a false impression that an-caps believe only one person in a thousand is a qualified mind.

Capitalism relies upon the minds of all. It is because ordinary minds function sufficiently to guide ordinary lives that anarchocapitalism is a system which could fit in the real world.

>>68617

I believe people are very qualified when it comes to their own affairs. That includes their finances, family matters, social contacts, security, and usually whatever job they hold. Unless proven otherwise, I regard everyone as an expert when it comes to running his own life. Still, I maintain that no one lives up to the expectations of the modern, informed voter.

>Or you could keep fretting about "global warming", ensuring that attentive people notice you're faking your flag for propaganda purposes even as you spread a false impression that an-caps believe only one person in a thousand is a qualified mind.

You make way too much about this one comment. I insist that if you want to hold a qualified opinion on that topic, you need at least some education in the natural sciences. Certainly one that's better than mine. Whether global warming is a thing or not, this holds true.

We live in an age where hairdressers are expected to know whether a law with five hundred pages is unconstitutional and would harm the economy, and lawyers get to decide how hairdressers do their job. Libertarianism is the only way out of this madness. If you think I meant anything else, then you're mistaken, and I apologize if I created this impression somehow.