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File: f403c5ff8d58b43⋯.jpg (94.53 KB, 720x472, 90:59, 9d31340d3019b212a964b751d0….jpg)

 No.67574

I lean much more towards libertarianism than the average /pol/ack. And I miss when there used to be decent debate on the board. But explain this, faggots:

>Support BLM

>non-whites dindu nuffin

>gays need more gibs

>illegal aliens deserve citizenship

>attention whore Snowden is a patriot

 No.67575

File: c61789fd567e167⋯.png (33.5 KB, 317x337, 317:337, BLM.PNG)

File: 45a5cc5d3303e41⋯.png (26.61 KB, 318x319, 318:319, criminal justice system.PNG)

File: 3ddcea3a4f1bf82⋯.png (24.47 KB, 308x293, 308:293, gays.PNG)

File: 62848521956003e⋯.png (27.33 KB, 307x338, 307:338, immigrants.PNG)

File: 9ea534d65521e91⋯.png (18.01 KB, 307x249, 307:249, snowden.PNG)

>>67574

pics related


 No.67577

>gays need more gibs

>gibs

>support blm

>support a violent coercive movement

categorically non libertarian


 No.67578

File: c61789fd567e167⋯.png (33.5 KB, 317x337, 317:337, BLM.PNG)

File: 45a5cc5d3303e41⋯.png (26.61 KB, 318x319, 318:319, criminal justice system.PNG)

File: 3ddcea3a4f1bf82⋯.png (24.47 KB, 308x293, 308:293, gays.PNG)

File: 62848521956003e⋯.png (27.33 KB, 307x338, 307:338, immigrants.PNG)

>>67577

Reassuring, but the numbers say otherwise.


 No.67579

>>67578

Damn, I'm having some issues posting.


 No.67581

I supported BLM when they were allies with the young lords and young patriots.

It's sad to see what had became of them.


 No.67582

The modern face of the libertarian party, the leftist libertarians, are children who know nothing of political philosophy, history, or logic. You can blame Nozick for this breed of pusillanimous libertarian. Anarcho Capitalists, or Rothbardian Libertarians, are those who believe all rights flow from the Natural Law of Man. We subscribe to an ideological system derived from systems building with Natural Law as the fundamental axiom from which all of our beliefs flow.

The leftist libertarians, however, have no such foundation. They are like any other leftist political movement in that they prescribe policy suggestions without coming from any tangible base. They can, in the same breath, tout the evils of the State while supporting expanding government aid to groups they particularly care for.

Ignore these people, because while they may be useful in coordinating a movement against State power, they are in no way ideological ambassadors. They should be laughed at and no one should consider them legitimate authorities on the matters of Liberty, much like you wouldn't consider a drug addled retard working for a contracting company a legitimate authority on architecture.


 No.67583

File: f8e9511225f94be⋯.png (152.74 KB, 218x321, 218:321, bane.PNG)

>>67581

>anarcho-socialist

>/liberty/

>supporting BLM

>>67582

>They should be laughed at

It will take more than laughter, anon


 No.67591

File: 9de1114efc81e9f⋯.jpg (68.52 KB, 1100x300, 11:3, 9de1114efc81e9fa2839f11a65….jpg)

Looks like you got hit by the alacrity daemon. This should fix it.

As for your topic, OP. That's the libertarian party. You'll find many libertarians don't like associating with them any more, even off of this website. There's become a very clear split among libertarians in recent years much like the 60s and 80s split between our socially progressive and conservative counterparts over issues like the ones you mentioned.

Attention whore Snowden is a god damned patriot, though. Even if he's a faggot.


 No.67592

>>67591

Now with this out of the way…

>>67575

>First pic

There's 33% of attendees who have no strong inclination on the matter. That means they're conflicted about it and largely probably fall towards the oppose category while recognizing the underlying issues that do have racist undertones.

>2nd pic

When you have to have 100x as much cocaine than crack to get a felony, and the drugs are pretty fucking similar with the main difference being racial demographics, it's hard to claim that minorities get equal treatment under the justice system. You don't need to go crusading over this fact, but you can recognize that the justice system is systematically arresting black men on behalf of black women between drugs and child support charges.

>3rd pic

Lots of faggots among millennial libertarians. Most of the folks I know in person who "agree" with LGBT people needing to feel more safe also recognize that marriage shouldn't exist as a state benefits entity at all.

>4th pic

All I can say is two things on this matter…

1) This is diametrically opposed to the opinions of older libertarians. The LP found that less than a third of their members actually support open borders. Millennials haven't experienced the real world yet. Give them about five years and most of them (who aren't liberal arts majors) begin to understand why folks are opposed to illegal immigration.

>last pic

As I said above, Snowden is a fucking patriot.


 No.67596

>>67581

Did they get co-opted by Deray or the Democrats?


 No.67617

>>67578

The word "libertarian" has been stretched so thin that is can mean anything from progressive liberal to full blown ancap. Sarwark and the like are evidence of this. Almost all of my progressive friends describe themselves as libertarian, and have little respect for markets, and no knowledge of the NAP. And with the fact that CATO published these figures, I'm guessing they didn't care to differentiate between the 'libertarians' anyways


 No.67674

>>67592

>BLM

58% is still pretty fucking pathetic

>minority crime

But nogs commit crime at a vastly disproportionate rate than anyone else. Acknowledging and mitigating this doesn't mean the system is broken in this way, although it is broken in others.

>faggots

what more do they need, realistically? because unrealistically, they want governmental and cultural endorsement. and that's statist as fuck.

>open borders

5 years? The youngest millenials are already adults. how much time and enrichment do they need to recognize basic problems with unrestricted illegal immigration?

>patriot

lel, fuck off. he's not in the same category as the likes of our founding father patriots.


 No.69557

bump


 No.69569

>>67674

>founding father patriots

meh, bunch of slave-owning aristocrats and/or federalists


 No.69570

>>67574

>Support BLM

I don't care

>gays need more gibs

contract between two people != gibs

(all marriage as it currently exists should be abolished, but I digress)

>illegal aliens deserve citizenship

basically same as above, citizenship should be easy and not involve gibs

>attention whore Snowden

>implying


 No.69573

File: 4724a157edeafff⋯.jpg (79.64 KB, 680x438, 340:219, Horsey1.jpg)

>>67574

> explain this faggots

The Libertarian party has practically been reduced to a simple motto of "socially liberal, financially conservative" and due to this very heinous simplification it has attracted people who actually know little to nothing about Libertarianism but think that since the aforementioned motto fits them, then that must be what Libertarianism is about, ergo, they are 'libertarian'.

Now that's not to say that a good number of the people who agree with the majorities in the polls aren't necessarily Libertarian in the most basic sense, but I find it hard to believe that A.) A libertarian would support a glorified violent black power movement and B.) That CATO has a reliable pool of Libertarians when the institute itself is questionable in regards to its Libertarianism (but then again,I have no knowledge of how the study was conducted, so for all I know I could be talking out of my ass.)


 No.69574

>>67574

>Support BLM

When? Where? I never have nor any of the Libertarians I follow or converse with have.

>non-whites dindu nuffin

That's just collectivist rhetoric. If you want to attribute negative traits to a loose racial and ethnic group first provide anything more than shitty graphs. We can all do that, especially the Commies. X hasn't collective done Y, nor does it continue to commit it as a collective does not mean members of X never have and do not commit Y. Pushing for it is baby's first rhetorical syllogism.

>illegal aliens deserve citizenship

Nobody deserves anything granted by the State. The State does not deserve to exist.

>attention whore Snowden is a patriot

In comparison to who? He needs to "attention whore" to live. As long as eyes are still on him people will notice and care if he is assassinated by the US, which can no longer happen cleanly and silently.

sage for shitpost bump


 No.69590

>>67674

Any libertarian worth jack shit would side with nogs against the police any time of the day.

Kill yourself if you disagree. Racism always degenerates into spreading your cheeks for big gov to penetrate you so you can stay protected from "those scary negroes".


 No.69592

File: c5d7406486ae4ee⋯.jpg (36.44 KB, 600x489, 200:163, Black Lives Matter1.jpg)

>>69590

>Any libertarian worth jack shit would side with nogs against the police any time of the day.

Oh yes, of course. Clearly, any Libertarian worth his salt would side with the niggers who use every news report having anything to do with a shooting to riot, steal, commit property damage, cause millions of dollars in property damage ranging from vehicles and even to people's businesses, and perhaps even kill. Clearly, in comparison to the Police, the rioting niggers in the street and the social justice warriors who promote them are clearly the best of the two.

Do you know why Libertarians, anarcho-capitalists and the sort oppose the government in the first place? They oppose it by and large due to a recognition that government is force, and that it is theft, not just that the government is the government. What does that mean? it means that theft, force and other aggressive activities committed against innocent people should be opposed, which is all things those fucking BLM niggers have done on a massive scale. So the idea that "any libertarian worth jack shit" would side with a bunch of rioters, looters and thugs who contradict the most basic propositions of Libertarianism (the NAP) is fucking hilarious. The police aren't saints, but in comparison to the people breaking into other people's stores, burning cars, destroying buildings in the name of Black Power and every other retarded cause under the sun, the police do certainly have a poorly lit halo over their heads, but it's a halo nonetheless.

>Kill yourself if you disagree. Racism always degenerates into spreading your cheeks for big gov to penetrate you so you can stay protected from "those scary negroes".

What the fuck is this logic? I suppose following this line of thought, one believing in evolution also degenerates into you demanding public schooling so as to keep society protected from the "unenlightened masses"? Fucking moron.


 No.69595

>>69592

> which is all things those fucking BLM niggers have done on a massive scale

These are all things cops do on an infinitely wider scale than rioting niggers can ever hope to achieve. Cops kindap and imprison MILLIONS of innocent Americans per year for bullshit charges.

Police are not the solution to crime and rioting mobs. Getting your own gun and learning 2 self defense is you fucking pussy. You're a scared little bitch who wants the government to wipe your ass while oppressing millions.


 No.69599

File: be1c9f17576665a⋯.jpg (12.35 KB, 255x243, 85:81, buenos dias.jpg)

>>69595

>These are all things cops do on an infinitely wider scale than rioting niggers can ever hope to achieve. Cops kindap and imprison MILLIONS of innocent Americans per year for bullshit charges.

So that's an excuse to burn down your local businesses, commit assaults, destroy buildings and the sort? What the fuck? I mean let's amuse the idea of the whole "kidnap and imprison MILLIONS of innocent Americans", okay, let's say that's true. How exactly does this make them any better? That's like if I'm a Russian and I'm really pissed off at the Soviet Police so I decide to go around and beat the shit out of people with a baseball bat. It's just utter retardation.

>Police are not the solution to crime and rioting mob

>Getting your own gun and learning 2 self defense is you fucking pussy.

How disconnected are you from reality? I'm beginning to think that you know nothing about Libertarianism or Anarcho-Capitalism. It's called Private security/ police. Not everyone is going to be able to get a firearm and protect themselves and some people find the idea of it to not be a long or withstanding idea considering perhaps that a person is a singular person whereas a mob with firearms has more firepower.

>You're a scared little bitch who wants the government to wipe your ass while oppressing millions.

I don't like niggers robbing and looting innocent people and businesses, so by saying that someone should do something against them I am oppressing millions? Get your head out of your ass you fucking moron,.


 No.69643

>>69590

> Racism always degenerates into spreading your cheeks for big gov to penetrate you so you can stay protected from "those scary negroes".

nope


 No.69934

>>69590

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>t. Kike


 No.69975


 No.69977

>>69975

>yes goyim, side with the schwartzes, or kill yourself

<HAHAHAHAHA Kike

>rude


 No.69991

>>69934

>>69977

Kill yourself and fuck off back to your containment board nazi.


 No.70014

>>69991

>this assblasted at being outed and missing out on dubdubs

I couldn't very well go to my containment board if I kill myself first, dummy.


 No.70015

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>>70014

>thinking /liberty/ cares about gets


 No.70033

>>70015

If that's how you're attempting to deflect, you're definitely quite Hebrew.


 No.70048

>>69991

"The Jew is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Jew and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: 'I’ve been found out.'"


 No.70100

>>70048

is every philosemite a Jew?


 No.70125

>>70015

Being that I am /liberty/ I can tell you I care about gets. I don't care about get theft, though, because anyone can steal a get. I simply really enjoy checking excellent digits. For example, these two dubs beneath your post.

>>70033

>>70100

Those are nice digits, gentlemen.

To be on topic, what lots of other people said. Libertarian is kind of a useless term and I certainly wouldn't consider any leftist to be a libertarian. Anyone who thinks "x is bad and government should fix it" is not a libertarian, they're a statist and probably a communist as well. Praise the founders.


 No.70140

File: a01bcdbfa29ede6⋯.jpg (398.8 KB, 528x640, 33:40, 8294785184_ef851dedd1_z.jpg)

>>70033

i wish i was a Jew


 No.70168

>>70100

Invariably.

>>70140

>wishing for what you already have


 No.70173

>>70168

what do i have? jewishness? i want to be real jew not a jew in eyes on a /pol/ack


 No.72030

You'll be jewish enough for the oven or the rope, let me assure you.


 No.72032

File: b83b8c0c48de65f⋯.jpg (33.05 KB, 448x419, 448:419, updated my journal.jpg)

>>67575

>That last pic

As if we needed further proof that so-called conservatives are a bunch of retarded statist sheep.


 No.72103

>>67575

>Support for #BlackLivesMatter Movement

This is totally irrelevant to Libertarianism. I personally generally approve of it but let's say for arguments sake that BLM is a movement without a just cause and every BLM rally turns into a riot. It would still be better than any state. They couldn't possibly do as much harm as any single government could, with their monopoly on force and their ability to project mass murder and destruction on a global scale, rather than just on a few city blocks. If BLM was essentially an entity of destruction, it would be preferable to any government, at least they wouldn't have the audacity that they should collect an annual tribute.

>Is the Criminal Justice System Just

It's clearly unjust. It's been proven that blacks get harsher sentences for the same crimes under similar circumstances, for instance. There is a wealth of evidence to support the Criminal Justice System is racially biased. It's one of the reasons Libertarians support a private court system, as any biased judge or court system in a private system would be out competed by more equitable arbitrators.

>LGBT

I don't even understand why you included this poll, 'we should do more' doesn't necessitate 'government should do more' and is perfectly in line with voluntary arrangements.

>Unauthorized Immigration

Restrictions to voluntary association between individuals is very antithetical to Libertarianism, this includes restrictions on the free movement of people between the so-called states.

Libertarianism is built on the simple principle that no person has the right to compel you with force to restrict your human rights except insofar as it violates another person's rights, but this principle is inflexible. You can't pick and choose libertarian beliefs because you like them then discard others that you don't like, if you do you don't have any principles and you surely lean more toward the Socialists than you do Libertarians.


 No.72116

>>67574

basically, kike think tanks and media are once again trying to subvert the narrative, libertarian agenda and of course the political party

also try to get people to sign petitions to condem white nationalism etc.

>Support BLM

niggers are gonna be niggers

and jews are gonna be subversive kikes behind every single destructive political movement

>non-whites dindu nuffin

liberalala libertarians get physically removed

>gays need more gibs

only fake libertarians advocate special priviliges

>illegal aliens deserve citizenship

illegal aliens are a violation of property. only fake libertarians and kike subversives advocate open borders.

>attention whore Snowden is a patriot

hes closer to a patriot than a traitor. exposing the NSA was a good thing. but there is no reason to suck his cock about every political giving ever. also people are retarded and worship celebs. not our problem.

>>67575

>>67578

>cato institute

sample bias

>>67581

yeah who could have predicted a soros created and funded movement would turn nonlibertarian


 No.72118

I still don't understand how anyone can call themselves a patriotic American and not love Snowden. If men put themselves at risk to defend our constitution, they deserve our affections for that. That's what patriotism is for.


 No.72167

>>69991

typical lack of selfawareness while trading critical inquiry into truth for canned tautology

>>70140

>>70173

dont bother, you already have the stereotypical psychological attributes and communication patterns required

youre one of those half breeds with a jewish father and goy mother arent you?

>>70100

worshipping indoctrinated fundamental evangelical christian types, no

people who espouse the philosophical and/or religious givings, yes


 No.72179

>>67575

one thing interesting about the 4th pic, it seems like the least liked idea is keeping around non-citizens, nobody wants to bring back second class citizens or slavery


 No.72182

>>72167

>youre one of those half breeds with a jewish father and goy mother arent you?

no ;_;

>people who espouse the philosophical and/or religious givings, yes

religion is for the weak


 No.72232

File: d0c8e5fb9a149fd⋯.jpg (41.22 KB, 323x500, 323:500, chrysippus.jpg)

>>67582

HAHAHAHA your so called "left libertarianism" is the original and true libertarianism. Perhaps YOU should read up on history.


 No.72233

>>72232

left wing anarchism is the original and true libertarianism




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