56ca0c No.670117[Last 50 Posts]
>At November’s biennial air show in the southern city of Zhuhai, the biggest state-owned missile maker, China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation Ltd, screened an animation showing a hostile “blue force,” comprising an aircraft carrier, escort ships and strike aircraft, approaching “red force” territory. On a giant screen, the animation showed a barrage of the Chinese company’s missiles launched from “red force” warships, submarines, shore batteries and aircraft wreaking havoc on the escort vessels around the carrier. In a final salvo, two missiles plunge onto the flight deck of the carrier and a third slams into the side of the hull near the bow.
>The fate of the ship is an unmistakable message to an America that has long dominated the globe from its mighty aircraft carriers and sprawling network of hundreds of bases. China’s military is now making giant strides toward replacing the United States as the supreme power in Asia. With the Pentagon distracted by almost two decades of costly war in the Middle East and Afghanistan, the Chinese military, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), has exploited a period of sustained budget increases and rapid technical improvement to build and deploy an arsenal of advanced missiles. Across almost all categories of these weapons, based on land, loaded on strike aircraft or deployed on warships and submarines, China’s missiles rival or outperform their counterparts in the armories of the United States and its allies, according to current and former U.S. military officers with knowledge of PLA test launches, Taiwanese and Chinese military analysts, and technical specifications published in China’s state-controlled media.
>China has also seized a virtual monopoly in one class of conventional missiles – land-based, intermediate-range ballistic and cruise missiles.
>Under the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, a Cold War-era agreement aimed at reducing the threat of nuclear conflict, the United States and Russia are banned from deploying this class of missiles, with a range between 500 and 5,500 kilometers (3,418 miles). But Beijing, unrestrained by the INF Treaty, is deploying them in massive numbers. This includes so-called carrier killer missiles like the DF-21D, which can target aircraft carriers and other warships underway at sea at a range of up to 1,500 kilometers, according to Chinese and Western military analysts. If effective, these missiles would give China a destructive capability no other military can boast. China’s advantage in this class of missiles is likely to remain for the foreseeable future, despite U.S. President Donald Trump’s decision in February to withdraw from the treaty in six months. China is also making rapid strides in developing so-called hypersonic missiles, which can maneuver sharply and travel at five times the speed of sound (or even faster). Currently, the United States has no defenses against a missile like this, according to Pentagon officials.
>China’s growing missile arsenal hasn’t yet been proven in a real-world clash, and some Chinese officials play down their advances. But under the Trump administration, Washington has come to view China as a rival determined to displace the United States in Asia. This modern-day missile gap, the administration believes, is emerging as one of the biggest dangers to American military supremacy in Asia since the end of the Cold War. The Pentagon is now scrambling for new weapons and strategies to counter the PLA's rocket arsenal.
>“We know that China has the most advanced ballistic missile force in the world,” said James Fanell, a retired U.S. Navy captain and former senior intelligence officer with the U.S. Pacific Fleet. “They have the capacity to overwhelm the defensive systems we are pursuing.” Fanell was sidelined by the Pentagon ahead of his 2015 retirement, after warning about the Chinese build-up at a time when President Barack Obama was seeking cooperation with Beijing. Today, Pentagon policy hews more closely to his views that China intends to displace the United States as Asia’s dominant power.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190426110417/https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/china-army-rockets/
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/china-army-rockets/
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69e767 No.670118
>>670117
Good for defense, but China still have yet to field a usable deep water navy
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56ca0c No.670119
>>670118
Until they start mounting the missiles on ships.
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edce92 No.670136
>>670118
>still have yet to field a usable deep water navy
On last count they have 50% of the USN line ships (frigate, destroyers) and they starting to have quite a pool of capital ships (cruisers, carriers, landing ships, etc…) and a stupid green water navy (as in too many to actually keep track off without a full time staff doing it).
You have to remember that the USN fleets are spread out on the entire world… when the Chinese fleets stay in the china sea. So on theater even when you factor in Japan and SK fleets they're at near parity. Now in 2019, if they keep at the speed they're going they will be at global parity with the USN before 2030.
>>670119
>Until they start mounting the missiles on ships.
Why? They have cruise missiles with those range on the ships, why bother with ballistics ones? Well not the very long range ones but the DH-10/YJ-100 has a naval version and a longer range than the DF-21, it's their tomahawk (AKA their main one for long range strike) except since it's wasn't designed half a century ago it has all the modern features such a thing should have (sea-skimming, active evasion, supersonic terminal boost).
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c49ab3 No.670138
missiles give me a hardon everytime. I'd love to witness a simultaneous massive launch that fills the entire sky with smoke, and then bombards the enemy cities down to smithereens
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a36142 No.670145
Keep in mind that this is how the gap has been closing while the workforce in the US was still mostly White. In 20 years, the US is going to be literally Africa where the Chinese have to come in and dig wills because the people living there forgot how to access clean water.
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5fd879 No.670155
>>670117
>China’s growing missile arsenal hasn’t yet been proven in a real-world clash
Is there any reason to believe that the bugmans missiles aren't held together with PVA glue and sticky tape? Have we seen anything about them other than 'simulations' and animated presentations?
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cbe29d No.670156
Most of the bottle rockets I buy are are from China. It was bound to happen, those chinks have been making them for millenia.
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cbe29d No.670157
>>670138
Even unguided rocket artillery gives me a chub.
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c49ab3 No.670162
>>670155
by that logic literal nobody has proven his missiles work, not even the US
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da0b6a No.670164
>>670145
You mean China right? That one child policy and colonization of apefrica is going to do them wonders.
>>670162
Reminder that every time a sea skimming exocet or harpoon has been fired in anger, the target never detected it until they were struck.
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aa3935 No.670172
>>670136
Capital ships are a meme. In the age of missile weaponry even destroyers are a too big and should have paint a bullseye on their hulls,
also have them burn dollar bills instead of diesel, would not make any difference and would also help with inflation not counting the widows' pensions' given how crew-demanding capital ships are .
This is how you make a modern Navy, kiddo:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Hellenic_Navy_ships
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3bd478 No.670174
>>670172
>HS Olympias is a reconstruction of an ancient Athenian trireme. She is hand-built and considered in active service
Based.
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aa3935 No.670180
>>670174
Just add an antikytheran-navigation system and some greek fire and this baby will be unstoppable.
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c49ab3 No.670187
>>670172
>>670174
>>670180
guided-missile armed Triremes when?
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e4b2ca No.670217
>>670180
>>670174
>you'll never get to sail on a trireme and set refugee ships on fire with greek-fire
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aa3935 No.670222
>>670217
Not with that attitude!
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5fd879 No.670226
>>670162
>Exocet - fired in anger during the Falklands, proven to work.
>Harpoon - fired in anger at Operation Morvarid and Operation Praying Mantis, proven to work.
>Sea Skua - fired in anger during the Falklands, proven to work.
Your move, Gyrosnigger.
Also the point I was making in that post was that Chinese engineering very rarely lives up to their hype. But hey, let's take it this way if you want to
>>670180
Does she have a combat role? Or was it 'just' a beautiful bit of archaeological autism?
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a47245 No.670252
>>670117
The USA didn't replace the British Empire as the Hegemon of the Sea because its ships are unsinkable, but because the USA has the industrial power to produce ships in mass during war time.
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aa3935 No.670257
>>670226
>Does she have a combat role? Or was it 'just' a beautiful bit of archaeological autism?
Both she and our flagship (armoured cruiser Averof) are floating museum exhibitions.
>>670226
>>Exocet - fired in anger during the Falklands, proven to work.
Fired against curryniggers so this one doesn't really count.
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5f09b4 No.670279
>>670174
>You will never rain down a hail of plumbatae onto an overcrowded Libyan fishing boat
>You will never hear the screams and groans of dying economic migrants when you run them through with your spatha
>You will never enslave the survivors at swordpoint as rowers for your galley
I honestly don't really see the point of living anymore.
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d3f6ae No.670281
>>670156
Why didn't they invent firearms or grenades?
Clearly they had enough brains to invent gunpowder and then use it as fireworks showing they were intelligent enough for chemistry and had a sense of aesthetics.
Did nobody have an accident resulting in being maimed or killed prompting onlookers or survivors to think of it being applied in warfare?
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edce92 No.670284
>>670281
>Why didn't they invent firearms or grenades?
They did. They even made LE-shells with it.
It's what allowed the Song dynasty to survive 50 years more than they should have and repel Genghis Khan.
They stopped because Kublai Khan managed to conquer/raze all of china using internal dissension and siege engines he brought back from the middle east after subjugating the caliphate.
It's at the same time the Polo family & cie managed to make a couple of trips back and forth and probably bought the formulas on the cheap as China was completely collapsing.
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aa3935 No.670287
>>670282
TN: ching chong means ling long
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5fd879 No.670289
>>670281
They used rocket based weapons for a long time, mostly spears or arrows with a rocket engine attached to them. Some of them were fairly elaborate, a large rocket that launched multiple incendiary submunitions for use in sieges. As for why they didn't make the leap to firearms, the only answer I saw to that was that he metalworking industry in China wasn't up to scratch and couldn't produce reliable barrels.
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50cb64 No.670290
>>670289
Being invaded by the Mongols didn't help with Chinese technological development either.
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6af082 No.670296
>>670281
They did invent them, and used them extensively. But it was only one aspect of warfare that didn't dominate their tactics. Until one day some barbarians from the far west came in with better divine machines. It's literally wikipedia-tier knowledge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_artillery_in_the_Song_dynasty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenjiying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_weapons_in_the_Ming_dynasty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_mine#Pre-modern_development
>>670290
They were also in a situation where throwing more men into the meatgrinder was the most straightforward way to go. They already had the bureaucracy and the traditions in place, so they didn't bet everything on new and untested technologies.
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130054 No.670312
>chinese
Russian.
But it's true, and it has nothing to do with INF treaty, which is defunct anyway. The reason why US missiles suck is because they expect aircraft to carry them, which means most of their missiles are super light, super slow, and super low range.
The tomahawk is an exception, but it's a million dollar missile that has no place in real warfare, it's just a weapon to terrorize smaller nations with. Kind of like battleship cannon used to be, whenever one rolls into range people take notice.
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130054 No.670313
>>670226
>Exocet - fired in anger during the Falklands, proven to work.
Only if the French want it to work. The Argentinians also had exocets, yet mysteriously all of their software self destructed.
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5fd879 No.670323
>>670313
>The Argentinians also had exocets, yet mysteriously all of their software self destructed
Those were the exocets I was referring to. As for the 'mysterious software self destructing' it's amazing what happens when someone bullies the French government enough.
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aa3935 No.670324
>>670323
>bullies the French government enough
>bullies
More like throwing a hissy fits about using nukes against their costumers.
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43d47c No.670421
>>670164
>Reminder that every time a sea skimming exocet or harpoon has been fired in anger, the target never detected it until they were struck.
good point, I wonder if all the big bucks spent by USN since then addressed that, given missiles also better now. IMO the main prob is ships are all so unarmored these days, with multiple single failure points. IMO what is needed is a 20,000 ton ship with the firepower of a 10yr old typical 8,000 ton USN destroyer, but with everything spread out and behind spaced armor, and some redundancy. Get away from the 20lbs of shit in a 5lb sack concept, and build a nice roomy ship with lots of extra space and "room to grow". Missiles are gonna hit, so make it so a hit has a 20% chance of doing serious damage rather than a 100% chance. Forget stealth, instead misdirect incoming missiles in the last 3 miles by decoys, jamming, towed arrays, etc.
Israel lost a destroyer to a Soviet built guided missile boat in 1967, and the Jews haven't had a ship over 2000 tons since, and stayed away from anything over 1000 tons until recently.
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43d47c No.670422
>>670281
>Clearly they had enough brains to invent gunpowder
Chinese don't have enough brains to invent anything. They DISCOVERED gunpower by accident….probably doing trial and error cooking of something to make their little dicks grow.
Let me explain the state of "Chinese science" to this day. A rhino horn is same general shape as an erect penis, sort of, and its rare, thus….surely it will make you dick hard if you eat some rhino horn. That is what "wise men" in China will spend big money on.
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5fd879 No.670426
>>670324
Hey, what can I say, it just works :^)
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aa3935 No.670433
>>670282
>s-stupid gweilos have no cruise missiles!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra-class_frigate
Armament:
>1× Mk 45 Mod 2A 5" gun,
>2× Mk15 Phalanx 20 mm CIWS,
<2 Mk141 2×2 Harpoon missile launchers,
>Mk 48 Mod 2 vertical launcher for 16× RIM-162 ESSM,
>2 Mk32 Mod 5 2×324mm T/T for Mk46 torpedoes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elli-class_frigate
Armament:
Elli-class S-frigate (Elli, Limnos):
>2 × OTO-Melara Compatto 76 mm/62 cal. gun
<2 × 4 RGM-84 Harpoon SSM
>1 × 8 round RIM-7M Sea Sparrow SAM launcher (+ reloads);
>2 × Mk32 × 2 324 mm Torpedo Tubes;
>2 × CIWS Mk15 Phalanx CIWS 20 mm
ex-Dutch S-frigates in Greek service:
>1 × OTO-Melara Compatto 76 mm/62 cal. gun
<2 × 4 RGM-84 Harpoon SSM
>1 × 8 round RIM-7M Sea Sparrow SAM launcher (+ reloads);
>2 × Mk32 × 2 324 mm Torpedo Tubes;
>1 × CIWS Mk15 Phalanx CIWS 20 mm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile#Short-range_subsonic
Also given that your shitty Flankers rip-offs lost 1/10 vs F-4s flown by turkroaches out of all your potential mongoloids rivals, I'm pretty confident that our 11 subs and 13 frigates are more than enough to completely decimate your pacific fleet, Wong.
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57c91b No.670440
>>670281
Becuase tha poor chinese dindu nuffin, they was be peaceful people, until da wyte man showed up and use it fo evil >:(
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edce92 No.670460
>>670433
>Cold war rustbucket STROOONK
You're joking right?
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aa3935 No.670465
>>670460
>You're joking right?
Obviously but it's not as much as a joke as the Chinese Navy.
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edce92 No.670469
>>670465
You do know they all have better guns, CONSIDERABLY better missiles (in VLS blocks of 32) and better CIWS right?
And there are 5 time more of them.
Without the subs, which all important parts are also made in France/Germany just like yours…
And their new one is even a fucking sailess sub like everyone "future designs" (read french/swedish/german for "shit we can't afford").
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c49ab3 No.670470
I'd legit have confidence in our navy to defeat the chinks tbh
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aa3935 No.670475
>>670469
>all have better guns, CONSIDERABLY better missiles (in VLS blocks of 32) and better CIWS right?
>better
>MADE IN CHINA
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aa3935 No.670478
>>670469
>And there are 5 time more of them.
Barely a challenge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outpost_Harry.
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6c10b3 No.670484
>>670475
>>670470
>Can't even beat the turkroaches
>Thinks they could beat the Hive itself
Is this your brain on EU serfdom?
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edce92 No.670486
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59702a No.670488
>>670324
What's the point in even maintaining them if they can't be used for leverage.
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152ad9 No.670491
>>670422
But anon, thinking about how starving Africans hunt highly endangered species for your amusement does make your dick grow. Don't knock it if it works.
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5fd879 No.670495
>>670422
>A rhino horn is same general shape as an erect penis
>curved and tapering to a point
Is there something you want to tell us about Chinese penises Anon?
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3c0a1d No.670507
>>670252
>the USA had the industrial power to produce ships in mass during war time.
The American ship building industry isn't even a shadow or its former self, it doesn't even exist anymore outside of a handful of facilities operating exclusively off of DoD welfare bucks. US shipbuilding capacity is limited to the bare minimum of what current DoD demand requires. Even if we got into a war and decided to open the funding floodgates, it would take decades to rebuild the abandoned infrastructure, recreate the industrial base, and train up the entire pool of skilled labor from scratch.
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aa3935 No.670511
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aa3935 No.670512
>>670488
>488
There's your answer.
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59702a No.670514
>>670512
Yes but you're unhinged and genocidal so it's probably a good thing you don't have your finger on the button.
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77fe53 No.670516
>>670507
Russian land invasion of the North America when?
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aa3935 No.670519
>>670514
> but you're unhinged and genocidal
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edce92 No.670524
>>670511
Yeah or you know…
Korea numbers are greatly exaggerated (I've never seen a description of a battle where a UN unit, that are typically 2-3 battalions, encountered a "regiment". It's always "division" often several) and/or the chink sent waves after waves of infantry with no support (in most credible accounts there is 0 chink support fire) that look like suicide missions for internal political reasons (purge of the nationalists that had surrendered, purge of non-Mao aligned officers that had clout due to their accomplishment in the civil war) and is drastically different from the fighting in mainland China (the commies did won over a force more numerous, supposedly better trained, it was US-trained, with to 50k veterans US soldier there after 1945, and supposedly more mobile/technological. Except the opposite happened) which unlike the US in WWII (which had ended long enough ago for the US to pension all the veterans) was still ongoing a year before so there is little logical reason for them to suck that much when they clearly didn't suck that much… unless it's all those KMT troops that had surrendered and were told to go redeem themselves.
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59702a No.670529
>>670519
And world war 3 isn't worth one Greeks ambitions on Anatolia.
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5c405d No.670531
>>670529
>being this much of a gay
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5dd3c8 No.670534
>>670529
Absolutely eternal.
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5fd879 No.670535
>>670529
Are you seriously suggesting that Anatolia is rightful Turkish clay?
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d42be1 No.670540
>>670529
You know, considering about how much you limey shits wail about muh crown and muh empire, you sure are lenient when it comes to the Turks and all the faithful subjects they left dead at Gallipoli.
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686b0d No.670548
>>670529
Negro Sickxons should have been exterminated in ww1 to prevent widespread kike infestation.
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59702a No.670554
>>670535
It is but I'd rather they won without giving everyone the right to launch their nuclear arsenals.
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0da34f No.670559
>>670554
It's Greek, t*rks are a spook.
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5fd879 No.670561
>>670554
Neither the Greeks nor the Turks are nuclear powers. As long as they can keep Russia, the Burgers, or Pakistan out of it (pakistan included as they seem to see their arsenal as 'Islamic bombs') then it would just be an old fashioned meatgrinder rather than a nukefest.
The Greeks would almost certainly have to go full scorched earth genocide though, as the Seljuk horde would have women and children as eager guerrilla conscripts. In that case the entire campaign would be set to a nonstop backing track of the UN and media darlings squealing themselves into a tizzy, which would be entertaining as long as we could find a way to keep the nuclear powers out of the fight. covert aid to the combatants would be one thing and is only to be expected, but active involvement is only going to end in nukings
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edce92 No.670609
>>670529
>world war 3 isn't worth
>where_do_you_think_you_are.JPG
WW3 is it's own reward.
>Greeks ambitions on Anatolia.
Not wanting to at least retake Constantinople in 2019 is a proof of homosexuality.
But then you're a brit you let turkroache invade Cyprus unhindered despite them parking tanks in shooting range of your runway.
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aa3935 No.670663
Let's get back to the subject.
Previous dickwaving posts aside, I want to admit that solely due to the rule of cool I think some superbig capital ships might have their purpose as flagships and strategic morale boosters and for intimidation as long as you don't seriously revolve your whole naval dogma around them, I think a single Nimitz sized or bigger supercarrier with Kuznetzov's self-protection and Kirov-tier secondary offensive capabilities would be perfect for the purpose even if it would be a complete moneysink, tactically impractical and generally a burden in terms of logistics, especially when you have to MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE IT WON'T GET SUNK during wartime.
Fe:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_cruiser_Georgios_Averof#History
It was a mere borderline obsolete armoured cruiser when commissioned, not even built by us and just opportunistically saved from scrapping but we managed to hype it into becoming central to our national psyche solely for being the biggest most heavily armed combat ship in our millennia long Naval tradition . Same goes for the Yamato.
Other than that I think the biggest ship that can actually have a practical purpose in modern naval warfare is an at most Ticonderoga-sized Aegis cruiser or, ideally, multiple Kongo-like Aegis capable destroyers assuming they have networking capabilities that allows them air-surveillance and interception capabilities of the previous at similar operating cost. IMO, other than their obvious and direct benefits, having a quasi centralized airspace shield with a few big flamboyant targets that are nearly invulnerable from air not only is perfect bait to force your foe's hand but also a perfect distraction from an entire fleet of smaller vessels doing the actual job.
PS: I might just be talking shit since I have to admit I have not the singlest clue on how viable small vessels can be a for an actual blue-water transoceanic navy.
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5fd879 No.670669
>>670663
>I think some superbig capital ships might have their purpose as flagships and strategic morale boosters and for intimidation as long as you don't seriously revolve your whole naval dogma around them
That's a rather expensive photo op you're planning there. If you're looking for naval propaganda then you'd get about the same effect from a very well coordinated/choreographed exercise every now and then that you video and publicise (separate from the actual naval training exercises) at a much lower cost.
Besides if you put together some kind of 1930's style Dreadnought as a PR piece it would just spend its life permanently moored as some kind of tourist attraction.
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77fe53 No.670672
>>670609
So what would be the most sensible way to invade occupied Byzantium for the purpose of eradicating the Turkroach menance and reinstating the eastern Roman empire in the event the US is too busy fighting itself at home to intervene?
Would Kurds join the Greco-Serbian alliance if they were promised their own nationstate in east Anatolia?
Would Russia help the Roaches or provide support the Greeks in exchange for Russian ICBMs being stationed in postwar Anatolia?
What would China, Iran and Pissrael do?
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59702a No.670700
>>670561
Let's be honest they're both integral to the U.S. N.A.T.O's containment strategy for Russia in the the black sea. There would be multiple nuclear armed parties involved on both sides because Anatolia falling to the Greeks would represent a major geo-political shift.
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ffe002 No.670722
>>670700
>There would be multiple nuclear armed parties involved on both sides because Anatolia falling to the Greeks would represent a major geo-political shift.
Not to mention the amount of kvetching that Greeks genociding Turks would cause…
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aa3935 No.670727
>>670669
Oh come the fuck up, we know it's not the same, especially when its used as the expeditionary face of an invasion or occupation, plus it can have some opportunistic tactical uses when your opponents are on the goatfucker level and are close to the sea but not close enough to hit with medium-short range missiles.
for example:
>>670672
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5fd879 No.670729
>>670727
>Cost at least $6.2 billion (based on cost of a Nimitz class supercarrier), probably higher.
>Greek total military budget (circa 2012, last figures I could find) - $6,972,000,000
Are your politicians corrupt enough to pump ~100% of your defence budget into a single project? Is your military house-trained enough to not stage a coup when they're told that all that money has gone to a single navy PR job?
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4d831b No.670733
>>670663
>>670669
>>670727
>>670729
I want to remind all involved that the USS Iowa saw action in the Lebanese Civil War and that the USS Wisconsin and USS Missouri were used to good effect during the Gulf War. China and Russia have decent anti-ship capabilities. The rest of the world, the majority of it, does not and will just have to sit there while it takes 16 inch shells up the ass from 24 miles away.
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5fd879 No.670744
>>670733
So his idea is to build very expensive floating artillery batteries that do the same jobs as much cheaper and most likely more effective (but less sexy) monitors. That's still not great.
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aa3935 No.670760
>>670733
>a $50bil WW2 era dinosaur survived firing 10 miles off the coast at sandmonkeys that were too busy killing each over disagreeing which was muhammad's favorite goat
Congratulations. Want a cookie or something?
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faf5b7 No.670773
MacArthur shouldve been allowed to rip out the chinese communists with nuclear talons.
Until the United States is willing to be realistic when it comes to race realism, israel, the international jewish banking cartel, islam, It will be impossible to successfully counter the chinese in the pacific or the world market.
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152ad9 No.670774
>>670672
>US is too busy fighting itself at home to intervene
Storm Büchel airbase and steal the US nukes stored there, proceed to glass the most populous Turkish cities you can find, then march into occupied Adrianople to secure the highway going through there for a rapid advance towards occupied Constantinople with your main army since it'd be best to be over the Bosporus by the time the Turks have formed a response. Have militias have some fun genocide all Turks in retaken lands to prevent terrorist attacks.
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9625d9 No.670776
>>670774
>glass the most populous Turkish cities
Touch any Greek ruins and I'll have the ones responsible gifted to mexican cartels for live face skinning
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4d831b No.670792
>>670760
>it performed well in the only type of war that has been waged since the '70s by a western nation.
Seems pretty relevant to me.
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aa3935 No.670816
>>670792
Performing well doesn't mean that multiple vessels of its equal cost and total tonnage would not perform much better. Triremes with catapults would probably do more damage for the equivalent cost.
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aa3935 No.670818
>>670776
Neutron bombs exist for cases like that, though biochems would be much more preferred.
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5fd879 No.670824
>>670816
>6 billion dollars worth of triremes
That sounds like the sort of navy that would be too large for the Mediterranean. As in you would run out of water before you ran out of boats.
>>670776
This is why the gods gave us gas. You can dump several thousand tonnes of Phosgene and Mustard on a city without damaging the architecture or anything of historical relevance. protip Greece: When you reclaim Anatolia use gas Worst case scenario you need to redo the paintwork/finish, all in all a worthwhile trade-off.
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59702a No.670861
>>670722
Giving a shit about genocide is a front liberals put up to achieve their given agenda's. It's only ever an international incident if it's convenient to the west and the globohomo agenda.
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59702a No.670864
>>670773
The U.S. was founded by supremacist Anglos, where did it all go so wrong?
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6bd062 No.670976
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e8ab5a No.670977
>>670864
The War of Northern Aggression.
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aa3935 No.670999
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7043f8 No.671004
>>670422
>They DISCOVERED gunpower by accident
Like pretty much everything 2000 years ago because online libraries wasnt a thing?
>>670986
Lol, get RAIDed, Abdul
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7043f8 No.671005
>>670864
It is exactly because it was founded by cultureless, mongrel anglo rejects that it failed immediately.
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77fe53 No.671006
>>670864
They didn't purge Jews.
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e8ab5a No.671008
>>670986
I fucking know some of the turkroach were larping as german.
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59702a No.671015
>>670986
Who stole their ideas from chinks indian and greeks what's your point?
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59702a No.671018
>>670977
Best answer tbf, when economic issues gained primacy over maintaining the nation.
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43d47c No.671068
>>671004
Chinese were unable to do what a few Nazi rocket scientists, and what a few CANADIAN aircraft builders, were doing in the 1950s even though they had full access to our factories, universities, etc, until we gifted them their entire programs.
Recently, the Chinese made an unauthorized copy of a USSR era jet. It keeps crashing and the don't know why. The Chinese race's intelligence seems to have a "hard ceiling" somewhere below what it takes to create a 1970s tech automobile from scratch. That is when cars first started getting "control module" or "engine brain".
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43d47c No.671070
>>670977
>The War of Northern Aggression was made possible, IMO, largely due to diffs between legacy Anglo-Brit Whites in the South and heavily recent immigrant Whites in North.
As a Southern Gentleman pointed out after the war, there was no longer an "American People".
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43d47c No.671071
>>671006
>>>670864
>
>They didn't purge Jews.
yep, you'd thought maybe with Puritans and Quakers, and WITCH TRIALS, and Indian slaughters, and Jews aiding and corrupting Indians, that we'd have keep Jews out. However, they seemed to have sneaked in when we allowed open immigration from Europe for "Whites". That and all the Jewish slave owners in the South who were grandfathered in.
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d1c91a No.671095
>>671068
Chinks until the return of HK and Shanghai was still a miserable and humiliated backwater race, bullied by the West not too long ago.
Now the allied subhumans are doing their sentence for 1945, chinks are not concerned about any of that. To deny that and to dream of colonizing the East again is pure LARP.
I would love to these the mutts attempt this though. The world needs a culling anyway, and chinks and vatniks can never actually colonize 500km away from their borders. In fact, globohomo facilitates an actual effective, insidious form of colonization.
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130054 No.671118
>>671068
The ceiling is literally their entire manufacturing base.
Their scientists are very close to ours, maybe 10-20 years behind but that's still practically on par. In a country of 1 billion people they can find at least as many smart people as America can in a country of 300 million.
Problem is their manufacturers are hiring from the general chinese population which is dumb as shit. They had water pumps in nuclear reactors crash because the people who maintain them throw cigarette butts and other trash into the coolant.
It will take them hundreds of years to copy European culture because we just have an ingrained sense of hygiene and precision, every European without this sense died of the plague or something else just as dangerous.
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c5c21f No.671277
>>670729
>Are your politicians corrupt enough to [insert anything]
Do you even need to ask?
>>670729
>>Cost at least $6.2 billion (based on cost of a Nimitz class supercarrier), probably higher.
Not saying Greece should have a supercarrier, battleship or heavy cruiser, they are completely unrelated to our naval dogma and we have museum pieces museum for the suggested purpose. What I'm saying is that every frog citizen recognizes Charles De Gaulle, every bong recognizes HMS Illustrious and HMS Queen Elizabeth, every ruskie recognizes Admiral Kuznetsov and every chink or pajeet that can afford a TV can recognize Liaoning and Vikramaditya respectively and even every huemonkey in favela can recognize Sao Paolo, while I doubt half Americans would know what a "Nimitz-class" is or even the name of the current US Flagships (I had to google those).
Having a big bad combat-able juggernaut does have its purpose as a symbol of prestige and power, shaping your whole naval strategies around it is what's burdening and shaping your whole naval strategies around it so much that you make many of them is downright counter-effective to the ship's original purpose in addition to being an archaic resource-sinkhole.
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9625d9 No.671279
>>671277
>dude if we make big ship the population will love it!
Waste of money. The people will be 10 times more impressed if they learn their navy is the biggest in the planet, rather than a small sized one with one big ship that looks cool. We can use parades to impress them, not waste 6 billion on a useless floating city
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23a0bc No.671280
>>671277
I would a Greek aircraft carrier if it was carrying Rafale-M.
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c5c21f No.671281
>>671279
If you reach to point where your flagship effects the budget of your entire fleet, then yes, you are retarded. Also agree that European countries, with Italy, France and the UK having less than three times our tonnage, are currently not in shape to maintain a single supercarrier.
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c5c21f No.671282
>>671280
gib shekels plz then greatest ally, and I pinky-promise will make the biggest badaboomiest carrier for you ' ω '
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23a0bc No.671284
>>671281
How feasible would a fleet of arsenal destroyers be from a financial standpoint for the Hellenic navy?
>>671282
Rafales don't need burger sized carrier thanks to superior canard aerodynamics so the carrier wouldn't have to be Queen Elizabeth tier retarded though a Catapult would be necessary if its aircraft are to codunct ground strikes against local Insect infestations.
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9625d9 No.671295
>>671284
>from a financial standpoint
With the amount of oil, natural gas and ores our country has, from a financial standpoint we could build the greatest military superpower in Europe. But when marxists and jews are ruling your country, the only thing that makes us money is tourism and yogurt. So, from our current financial standpoint, a fleet of destroyers is practically impossible. Our ancestors are spitting at us from the heavens above and we think it's raining.
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c5c21f No.671372
>>671284
>from a financial standpoint
Not very. Since we are greenwaters we have frigates that can pretty much compensate for the same role (minus the Aegis that could be useful against a power like turdey but I guess can be somewhat compensated with static island AA surveillance at domestic waters) at greater numbers.
Regarding the carrier I am very skeptical but apparently even the roaches are planning to purchase a new F-35B-capable Spanish one for VTOLs so it might had been possible on a pre-denbts budget, but we have so many islands that it would be redundant for domestic defense.
>>671295
> With the amount of oil, natural gas and ores our country has, from a financial standpoint we could build the greatest military superpower in Europe
A gross hyperbole but I have to agree that fucking Andreas Papandreou made a step towards the right direction (Αγορά του Αιώνα) and ten towards the wrong. The moment we scrapped our heavy industry to be "γκαρσόνια της Ευρώπης" we became a mere not-so-glorified colony.
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9625d9 No.671373
>>671372
>hyperbole
Literally the only thing preventing this nation to become Byzantium 2.0 is kikery and small population
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5fd879 No.671381
>>671277
>every bong recognises HMS Illustrious and HMS Queen Elizabeth
If only I could believe that was true. Also, if we're being blunt, the Argus is a more useful design for our naval and marine infantry capabilities and doctrine (it's also much cheaper but in their infinite wisdom the politicians only ordered one of them).
Besides, the Dreadnought class subs we're building at the moment are much sexier even if they are loaded with 50 year old missiles
>>671373
>Literally the only thing preventing this nation to become Byzantium 2.0 is kikery and small population
For 'small' substitute 'treasonous' and I can share that feel.
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db034b No.671383
>>671277
>that difference between US&vassals+Europe+UK&colonies vs Russia/China
No wonder they're not even trying.
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332fb2 No.671385
>>670475
afaik, isn't Europe getting sucked into the whole Chinese economic zone throught the one belt/one road project? Nu-germans seems really anti-Japanese because we don't really care about the so called war "crimes".
I miss the old days ; _ ;
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4c77aa No.671437
>>671385
I want to weebelieve…
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9625d9 No.671438
>>671437
>hundreds of airfield-capable islands
<buys aircraft carrier
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4c77aa No.671445
>>671438
Sshhh…. Germany is again volunteering to pay the bill.
>>671280
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9625d9 No.671447
>>671445
>Rafale-M
Well I can't say no to gifts
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4c77aa No.671450
>>671447
>>671438
What if we just put catapults on smaller non-airport capable brachonesides?
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9625d9 No.671451
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9625d9 No.671452
>>671451
>google translates this into "caretaker"
What did they mean by this?
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5fd879 No.671459
>>671437
>Not realising that the Weeb Maritime Self Defence Force has adopted a different naval doctrine
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4c77aa No.671461
>>671459
Where did I say it would be sea-bound?
>>671451
>>671452
Google translate "Θωρηκτό Γαμάτο".
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db034b No.671468
>>671461
>Google translate "Θωρηκτό Γαμάτο".
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302814 No.671475
>>671277
I was on the USS Kitty Hawk as part of the public. Was cool.
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4c77aa No.671480
>>671475
>mfw naming carriers out of gay zogbot presidents none cares about and no longer out of badass yet kawaii chimeras of baby mammals and raptorial birds like puppy-buzzard, filly-eagle, cub-falcon, calf-harrier
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cccce8 No.671482
>>671480
>HMS Unicorn was an aircraft repair ship and light aircraft carrier built for the Royal Navy in the late 1930s. She was completed during World War II and provided air cover over the amphibious landing at Salerno, Italy in September 1943. The ship was transferred to the Eastern Fleet in the Indian Ocean at the end of the year. Unicorn supported the aircraft carriers of the fleet on their operations until the British Pacific Fleet (BPF) was formed in November 1944. She was transferred to Australia in early 1945 to support the BPF's operations during Operation Iceberg, the Allied invasion of Okinawa in May.
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cccce8 No.671487
>>671480
The brits also had some straight anime sounding boats like:
>Empire Battleaxe
>Empire Broadsword
>Empire Crossbow
>Empire Cutlass
>Empire Gauntlet
>Empire Halberd
>Empire Javelin
>Empire Lance
The americans have minesweepers called
>USS AVENGER
>USS DEVASTATOR
>USS PATRIOT
>USS WARRIOR
Then they have the Coast Guard boats named after trees lel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCG_seagoing_buoy_tender
Naming schemes for boats have always fascinated me (sorry for bote autism)
>>670281
They invented gunpowder while trying to make an IRL health potion/eternal life potion. They did kill a few emperors by making them drink mercury. They also made fire lances and flaming arrows, and area affect weapons with funny names.
I like how the chinese self identify as "red forces" which is what the US calls the enemy in training scenarios. Also
>Using an anime of grorious chinese missires to demonstrate defense capabilities
>"technological improvement" aka. Hacking and stealing technical data from U.S. and E.U. defense contractors instead of doing it themselves.
At this point they are almost as memable as the IRGCN with their rocket boats
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e8ab5a No.671490
>>671487
The red force is a commie thing.
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5d0b7c No.671493
>>671480
>>671487
>>671482
I like the chink way of naming ships, it's very old school french/US.
Capital ships = provinces.
Destroyers = major cities.
Frigates = minor cities.
Mine warfare = prefectures.
Corvettes = counties.
Large landing ships = mountains.
Landing ships = rivers.
AOR ships = lakes.
And that's it, only training ships are named after historic naval officers and science ships are named after historic scholars/scientists/explorers.
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4c77aa No.671502
>>671493
>Capital ships = provinces.
>Aigaion-class aircraft carrier
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7838d3 No.671519
>>671493
what do they do if they run out of mountains, provinces or rivers?
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5fd879 No.671529
>>671519
That was my first thought too, by doing that you're effectively limiting the size of your navy (particularly with smaller vessels) unless you start conquering everything around you or radically altering your internal organisation.
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152ad9 No.671545
>>671519
Discover a new ancient map that proves beyond a doubt that an entirely new region has been part of China since ancient times. Even if they have to make the region in question themselves.
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5d0b7c No.671559
>>671529
>>671519
I guess that when they reach their 28th aircraft carrier, they will switch to the historical ones instead of the currents ones for an extra 20.
It's old school "capital ships", for aircraft carriers, battleships and battlecruisers, maybe cruiser but the type 055 are still called destroyers and named as such.
Maybe LHD will get called like that too (but their LPD aren't, they're called like large landing ships).
>>671545
You to post that with the before picture. Yours is from 2015… mine are from 2014 and 2019. It doesn't even look like it's purely military, there are plenty of habitations buildings with a big-ass wharf and shipping area.
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23a0bc No.671592
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7838d3 No.671598
>>671592
>HMAS Tarrant
beautiful
Too bad that these "Reich" carriers have American names.
Also, too bad there's no Berlusconi carrier in Italy.
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4c77aa No.671679
>>671598
Japanese name convention is wrong though. Carriers where named after mythical creatures, not prefectures.
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4c77aa No.671680
>>671598
Burgers' plurality iswas of non-anglo Germanic heritage.
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23a0bc No.671697
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4c77aa No.671709
>>671697
Dunno, not weeb. The only nip mythical creatures I know is ryu and kairin.
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23a0bc No.671738
Which boat would you want to serve on?
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091045 No.671746
>>671738
>Giving Washington state to Canada.
Over my dead fucking body!
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23a0bc No.671756
>>671746
What's so significant about Washington State?
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0ad1eb No.671758
>>671756
According to the chans it will be renamed Whiteopia State in the near far future.
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091045 No.671759
>>671756
Its mine! Go to the East and the mountains. See what the Cascades can offer you.
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bb5d44 No.671760
>>671756
Port Orchard, Boeing's main facilities, Chemical weapons storage etc. Its a starter package if you want to be your own shit. You take British Columbia and the Yukon you practically have a self-sufficient country that has retarded amounts of resource and mothballed industry that can abuse the shit out of it.
>>671758
You should come into my wood. Its practically that. Injuns don't cross my river no more.
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cccce8 No.671762
>>671756
A fleet and nuclear sub base.
>Naval Base Kitsap is a U.S. Navy base located on the Kitsap Peninsula in Washington state. It was created in 2004 by merging the former Naval Station Bremerton with Naval Submarine Base Bangor. The Mission of Naval Base Kitsap is to serve as the home base for the Navy’s fleet throughout West Puget Sound and to provide base operating services, including support for both surface ships and Fleet Ballistic Missile and other nuclear submarines having their home ports at Bremerton and Bangor.
>On Nov. 2, 2009, five protesters, including 82-year-old priest William J. Bichsel, S.J., cut through two fences to reach an area near where nuclear warheads are stored in bunkers. The protesters put up banners, sprinkled blood on the ground, scattered sunflower seeds and prayed until they were arrested; all faced prison sentences.[3] Bichsel was released from federal prison on February 9, 2012.[4]
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0ad1eb No.671766
>>671760
>You take British Columbia and the Yukon
If you can do that, they you should throw Alaska into the mix, so that this new country isn't just a thin line, but something with a decent shape. And looking at some maps, you might want to bite some land out of Idaho and Oregon, because those borders don't really follow any natural boundaries.
>Injuns don't cross my river no more.
Any interesting stories?
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23a0bc No.671768
>>671760
>>671762
All the more reason for an independent C*nada to demand it as part of post-WWII reparations then.
Not that the CSA ITL has much of a blue water fleet left after the Pacific Uprising, Solomons incident and Johannesburg treaty.
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0ad1eb No.671770
>>671766
Although now that I looked at jewgle maps a bit more, I'd want nearly all of Idaho and a bit of Montana too. Maybe also Wyoming. Now I don't wonder burgers can't into borders, these are even worse than what we ended up with after ww1.
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bb5d44 No.671771
>>671766
Personally speaking I'd take Alaska, Alberta, Idaho, Western Montana, NWT and Oregon as a border against, well it shouldn't have to be explained.
>Any interesting stories?
I counted coup after being pissed off with them for a time, being pissed off meaning cleaning up their messes, and teaching them what punishment is.
>>671768
Canada is a shithole and I'm going to take what I want from it, deport what I want gone then live like a recluse with all the fucking firepower I so desire, a Jun/k/er I suppose.
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0ad1eb No.671774
>>671771
>Alaska, Alberta, Idaho, Western Montana, NWT and Oregon
At that point I see no reason why you shouldn't incorporate the State of Jefferson and Nunavut too. But then I'd start thinking about Newfoundland and Labrador along with the more desolate parts of Northern Quebec. And it's not even my megalomania, I just like neat borders that follow the geography.
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bb5d44 No.671775
>>671774
I don't want more Injuns and NorCal can piss off for the time.
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0ad1eb No.671777
>>671775
>I don't want more Injuns
The more injuns you have, the more injuns you can get rid of.
>NorCal can piss off for the time
Aren't the areas that would make up Jefferson the only decent places left in Commiefornia? You'd save them from a terrible fate.
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23a0bc No.671780
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0ad1eb No.671783
>>671780
I actually wanted to follow the shoreline of Hudson Bay, I just failed to do so at its southern tip.
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0ad1eb No.671785
>>671780
Also, you should at least give back our borders in 1944 if nothing else.
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23a0bc No.671792
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bb5d44 No.671794
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bb3123 No.671798
>>671785
>Cities in holy Transylvania are not in Hungarian
Pic related is a better map.
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23a0bc No.671805
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9625d9 No.671806
>>671805
>implying we would ever let the pastas get access to albania
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23a0bc No.671998
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78d78d No.672009
>>671998
How did Hungary end up as part of the Byzantine Empire?
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23a0bc No.672012
>>672009
They joined for Shekels and to take part in the Christian mission(s) on the Arabian peninsula.
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9625d9 No.672019
>>671998
We would never attack the Hungarians, they're bros. The eternal bulgarian however will get the rope
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af0da1 No.672026
>>671998
Are you implying Northern Ireland becomes neutral on it's own, or that it joins the republic? I can't tell.
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cdc00b No.672029
>>671805
Why does both canada and India exist in your scenario?
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503715 No.672030
>>670529
t. have saved the Turks multiple times and started World War 2
>>670986
>WE WUZ MUSKETEERS
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9625d9 No.672038
>>671998
This right here is my life goal, anon.
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62aa68 No.672039
>>672019
We will beat up the Bolgars like we did more than a thousand years ago, alongside the Vlachs.
>>672012
I wouldn't mind reconquering the Middle East for the Christian faith, but we don't have to become subservient to any empire for that.
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e40fff No.672063
>>672038
Gonna need shitloads of Marburg-enriched MIRVs to make that shit even inhabitable.
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9625d9 No.672065
>>672063
We will just napalm every village, city and hut. Bombard mountains until their caves collapse and everyone inside is crushed or suffocated. Then we level everything and rebuild cities in superior European architecture
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23a0bc No.672091
>>672029
ITL Cucknada had a civil war in 1932 over some internal conflict with the Rothkikes and Rockefellers that escalated beyond its intended scope and got the Burger to intervene in favor of the Rebels Rockefeller assets.
A treaty was signed making Canada an independent neutral country leading to a highly strained relationship between the JewS and eternal Anglos, with the former hoping to coax independent Canada into an additional set of states in the long term.
The Anglo was equally wary of both the German and the Soviet at the start of WW2, initially getting only tangentially involved by providing some light air support for the French to keep them from asking for Burger assistance.
When the French failed to prove a worthy ally to invest in by way of getting defeated in May of 1940 the Anglo was close to calling it quits and signing some Treaty with the German but then the Italian attacked in Africa.
The Anglo then fought the Italian and German in the Mediterranean with limited success, as the Greek joined the German just as he was moving towards the Suez canal.
Just when the Anglo was close to crawling back to the Burger for aid the Soviet chose to attack the German in Fall of 1941.
The Anglo then paused to consider and came up with the following plan:
To watch both parties fight each other to exhaustion, followed by forcing the "victor" to sign a treaty reversing most of the territorial gains in North Africa+the Mideast with the threat of an invasion should they fail to comply.
The Anglo signed an Armistice with the Germano-Italian-Japanese alliance fighting the Soviet to a stalemate on multiple fronts and went on to watch the proceedings.
The Burger was not pleased with this state of affairs.
Being thoroughly displeased with the Soviet's rather poor combat performance and gradually eroding political coherence, the Burger started shipping covert Lend-lease war material to the Russian Far East and engaged in various guerilla intelligence operations aiming to destabilize the Chinese Republic in the hopes of undoing the Sino-Japanese temporary armistice signed under German auspices.
The Japanese held his line with fervor against the Soviet, but his time, men and material were thoroughly limited compared to those of his adversary - Manchukuo simply lacking the amount of usable Petroleum necessary to feed the local war machine in a sustained campaign, the technological disparity between the Japanese and Soviet ground forces notwithstanding.
Sadly for the Burger his efforts in propping up violent communist Guerillas proved to be so successful the movements spread into adjacent Anglo colonial territory, where local garrisons soon discovered mysterious caches of factory fresh Burger weapons after raiding the hideouts of revolting peasant Farmers.
Worse, just as the Chinaman's head of state had been abducted by the communists ready to be forced into restarting the Sino-Japanese war an unchecked gaggle of commie idiots somehow managed to sink an evil Anglo burgeousie passenger liner off the Coast of French Indochina in the vicinity of a German submarine, almost killing a local British Ambassador with several perpetrators and their US weaponry+contact lists captured by German+Japanese forces during rescue operations.
Not only was the Soviet steadily crumbling in the West moreso now that he had to support the Turk in a futile battle against Greco-Serbian Waffen SS volunteer battalions, the Anglo had now outright allied itself with the fascist heathens and was delivering oil and supplies to the Japanese on top of opening the Suez canal to German and Italian shipping!
And there was even a skilled German General from the African front causing havoc in the Asian South!
Enraged to no end, the Burger tripled his lend-lease shipping and aided in the Soviet leader's extraction to the Far East as Moscow fell to a mixture of civilian rebellion and Finnish paratroopers.
With the evacuation of the elite Soviet Army Group South and vital Political personnel complete, the Burger then decided to abandon any measures of civility and attacked a Japanese carrier battle group en route to investigate the mysterious red cross aid convoys rumored to cross the Behring Sea, framing the entire event as a Fascist war crime to the citizenry on the home front.
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32a018 No.672642
>>672091
The following all-out attack by the Burger across the Pacific came as a deep shock to the Fascists, with many key Islands and Strongholds captured within a matter of days and weeks.
However despite the Burger's overwhelming material advantage his troops' relative lack of experience and insufficient equipment the result of a highly politicised military-industrial complex came to bite him in the rear, as despite managing to capture the Northern Marianas the Burger's air units suffered staggering losses against the battle-hardened Japanese air defenses staffed by instructors as most frontline units were busy dealing with the Soviet advance towards Southern Korea, with most of the Burger victories in the latter half of the initial campaign being rather pyrrhic in nature.
Still, despite the loss of 1/4 of their total tonnage and the increasing resistance from the Australians in Papua new guinea they were still facing an enemy fighting a two-front war with limited resources and exposed supply lines.
Once the front had stalled the Anglo mounted several large counterattacks and carrier fleet battles only to be severely crippled in his ability to maintain proper sea cover for their transports in SEA, with the depleted fleets hastily fleeing towards the relative safety of Australia.
With the Soviet encroaching upon the periphery of the Southernmost coast of the Korean peninsula, the Japanese being split between mounting suicidal delaying attacks on Soviets in Manchuria and China while defending against repeated Burger air attacks on their manufacturing at home and the Anglo unable to provide sea cover in the South with little hope in the way of reinforcements due to the ongoing skirmishes in the Atlantic the fascists' forces in Asia were at the end of their rope.
It was then that a plan of historic insanity was hatched by German high command to relieve the struggling Asian forces.
On a quiet day in early Spring of 1944 A.D., an expeditionary force of a hundred armored fighting vehicles manned by Finnish volunteers under the command of an esteemed German general made landfall in the cold periphery of the northeasternmost regions of the Soviet Union.
Trudging through hundreds of kilometers of uninhabited frozen Tundra, they recieved paradropped supplies of fuel and food from long-range Japanese transport aircraft operating out of covert airfields at the northern Okhotsk sea coastline.
On their way south they stumbled upon a small, unimportant fortification with a mildly high amount of veteran Soviet officers and radio equipment, which they promptly overran and "captured" following the detonation of several large suicide charges reducing the structure to rubble and ash.
Believing it to be some kind of rear lines administrative outpost bunker they kept on marching South with the intent to support the crumbling lines of their Asian allies by cutting into the enemies' rear - only to find said allies crushing disorganized gaggles of Soviet troops and taking in legions of POWs following the disappearance/desertion/alleged suicide(?) of the Soviet head of state from his top secret HQ in the North.
With his communist puppets crumbling before his eyes the Burger pulled everything together for a last ditch naval offensive so that there might be at least some territorial gains to be made in negotiations with the exhausted enemy, assuming the fascists could be brought to the negotiation table before the Presidential Election.
Every ship of note was pulled from the inconclusive battle of the Atlantic towards the Pacific, with there being a Fleet review scheduled at Pearl Harbor while existing Burger vessels probed Australia's defenses in a diversionary invasion.
The Fleet review was rudely interrupted by the unplanned arrival of ship-launched german V1 cruise missiles, early ballistic missiles, paratroopers and carrier-launched bombers of german and japanese manufacture - the fascist madmen had somehow managed to transport 3 aircraft carriers and an experimental missile carrier across the Arctic past the Aleutians without getting noticed by Burger pickets and forward observation vessels, which had taken alot of losses to what appeared to be sonar-guided torpedoes as of late.
The great massacre of Pearl Harbor tallied at 10 carriers, 6 battleships, 23 cruisers, 35 destroyers and the entire Hawai'an Island chain as sunk, captured or damaged beyond repair the diversionary fleet had been crippled inna minefield while returning from Straya and surrendered for the most part.
At least the newly elected President changed his stance on the war, but it was too late.
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d09f68 No.672643
>>672642
I'm tired of these altLARP. Lets just bully the 56%er and the anglos with reality.
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e40fff No.672651
>>672643
Why the fuck is /k/ so hostile recently?
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6b61da No.672652
>>672643
I want to bully (You).
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9625d9 No.672654
>>672651
sudden rise of cuckchanners and blackpillers. Worry not, all sign of cuckchannery gets instabanned. You lads can make my work much easier by reporting posts more often
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e8ab5a No.672657
>>672654
It's one mad roach.
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2dc717 No.673622
>>671118
>>671068
This kind of hubris is ironically what will further fuel western decline - pride before the fall goyim
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59702a No.673643
>>673622
tbh, we sit here reassuring our selves, on a Taiwanese basket weaving forum, while everything is sold out from under us by our own and countries like China have cohesive policy that stretch for 100 years with the goals of regional and then global hegemony.
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0eb80e No.673674
>>673643
>implying policies last 100 years in the modern day
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091791 No.673735
>>673674
Kalergi plan is in its final stages.
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