/k/ - Weapons

>>668487

Budget started getting tight, more and more welfare recipients keep immigrating… what is a nation to do but mothball its army in order to maintain gibs at a stable level?

>>668487

To be fair the UK doesn't need tanks to defend their actual interests.

Now to be a NATO "partner" and good goy you need more than that but if we're talking defending the interest of the UK citizens in matter of national security, UK is a fucking island and exactly no one they're on bad terms with is capable to invade them.

Even if they were, the fact that have subs with nukes make sure it won't.

You could reduce the entire UK land forces to whatever is left of the Royal marines backed with a small but decent expeditionary fleet to secure UK citizens abroad when SHTF and that would be perfectly enough.

How much tanks do you need for that?

12? 36 for spares and 24/7 12 tanks ready to be shipped out?

What they need is ships and planes to secure their borders and the occasional threats to bomb the shit out of 3rd worlders if they don't behave.

Both of which they cruelly lack.

>>668493

>12 tanks ready to roll for all of england

<hey siri, how many tanks does the united states and russia have?

>roughly 25,000 between them

<thanks siri!

But then again you are a frenchman so it doesn't surprise me that you would downplay their issues so that they wont fix them.

>>668487

Is it in a worse state then right before the Falkland War? It was quite a challenge then to fight a nation that had advance weapons, the UK would probably get raped now against below average forces.

please use archives and also avoid reddit spacing in the future OP

>>668507

It's funny that you mention Spain, don't they have a rather large tank force for a NATO member?

You could hand over some of them if you really don't need them, Britain.

>>668487

What would it take to invade and conquer Great Britain in CY+4 militarily?

Doesn't british army exist primarily for civilian suppression nowadays? You don't need all that many tanks against civilians/"british terrorist".

>>668533

Unironically shouldn't take more than ~10,000 troops and some artillery to conquer the entire country within 3 months

>>668507

Is that a cia shill using a huehue IP?

>>668512

>Being retarded is the only way.

Oh right a burger.

Why in the name of fuck would UK fight with Russia or even more laughably the US?

Let's assume you're right for a minute and UK double it's tank force to a whooping 400 something what would it change if that were the case???

>>668507

>For instance, now Spain and UK are allies, but tomorrow without NATO they can (and probably will) be foes.

>Spain.

Spain is fucking bankrupt in every way but the name. They're only allowed to pretend they aren't to the whim of the biggest institutional European banks and insurances companies… AKA (((british))) ones.

The minute they try to take Gibraltar or any other bright ideas is the minute that they stop getting credits and won't have a cent to pay their own soldiers and go back to being a third world country.

FFS do you even know that BEFORE the end of the Cold War the Spanish couldn't even CLOTHE it's full complement of soldiers?

As in they couldn't afford them fucking uniforms!!! If you think things are better now after even more vicious cuts than what France and UK have known (in 1981 the army botched a fucking coup… and got caught making another one in 1982 every government since has been busy ensuring the Spanish army is completely toothless).

Also Spain is like Sweden, they've never experience WWI or WWII, the closest they've been to modern warfare was the civil war that was far more anti-insurgency combat (which they were never competent at, which explain why it lasted that long) than actual maneuver warfare. The result of this is they c/c what the US told them without understanding shit.

"You need lots of professional NCO" = sends a bunch of guys to NCO school making it a second officer corps instead of a "raised from the ground up" competent small unit leader making them completely useless.

-> "Officers need high education, ideally technical education" = military academies starts issuing college diplomas…

"You need modern platforms" = Buy modern equipment… without the industrial basis to sustain them. Let alone the knowledge basis to operate them.

The British police in Gibraltar can probably duke it out long enough with the Spanish army to wait for UK marines to arrive…

>We are not in 11th century. It's way more easy to invade an island nowadays.

No it's not. Especially in a contested air and naval situation.

Let alone the fact that besides the US and arguably China NO FUCKING ONE ON THE PLANET can actually land even a brigade size element in one go.

>>668560

>Officers need high education, ideally technical education

Nothing pisses me off more than this. It's so absurdly difficult to get into an officer academy because the system is retarded and you're being tested on subjects that have literally nothing to do with the military. The end result is the only ones who become officers are weaklings who did well in school because all they did 24/7 in their childhood is study whatever worthless subject they were told to. Only way to become an officer should be by field experience

>>668562

You want officer with technical diplomas because those are an accurate validation of logico-mathematic intelligence IE their capacity to reason in the abstract and understand complex interactions.

That way you know they might retain some of the shit taught at officers school and even if they don't they might still be capable of improvising a decent plan and not completely fuck up.

Then and only then, you comission then as LIEUTENANTS, you pair them with a competent senior NCO (that was brought up from the rank and file and is a professional soldier with typically a decade of experience. And will teach soldiering) and you promote them through field experience.

That's how a modern army (in theory) works and when it's properly applied, it's working fucking great.

>>668560

So what would hypothetically happen to the Spanish economy if one were to hypothetically McVeigh the European Central Bank with no survivors?

Hypothetically speaking.

>>668493

Do this but also get rid of half of trident to free up more money for shipbuilding, I would rather have only a few nukes for a last resort and a big navy defending the isles than billions a year spent maintaining 4 nuclear capable submarines, we can make do with 40 nuclear warheads.

Too bad, Australian military isn’t powerful enough to conquer the motherland and recolonise with surplus of Australian Anglo-Celticans. Australian Anglo-Celtican population is bigger than motherland, Canada and USA.

>>668568

>So what would hypothetically happen to the Spanish economy if one were to hypothetically McVeigh the European Central Bank with no survivors?

>Hypothetically speaking.

In purely hypothetical terms what would happen to Spain in that scenario would be pretty similar to what would happen to France, Germany, and the other EU countries - only so much worse. The Euro would either officially cease to exist or would drop to Venezuela/Occupied Rhodesia levels of hyperinflation. In that scenario countries would either start issuing their own money again and slowly build their way back up to 'not destitute' over the next few decades/century or the Euro would fragment making an Italian Euro an independent currency to a Polish Euro (basically the same but keeping the name). The Spanish economy would not be able to recover or survive the way that most of the rest of Europe could though, they'd most likely stay at the Occupied Rhodesia-tier bottom of the barrel until someone else either conquered them or imposed order another way.

>>668572

It sounds good in theory (even if reducing the number of nukes would be a very bitter pill), but the problem is that it would be the same collection of chucklefuck politicians in control of the naval rearmament. It would be a small mercy if the updated royal navy wasn't completely redesigned to be a very expensive bus service for F35's or something equally retarded.

>>668513

If the Argentinians screamed Allahu Ackbar while attacking, British forces would surrender to not look racist.

>>668572

Sounds good. For land forces, focus on marines. Proceed to clean up at home. Then wait until America's civil war 2.0 kicks off and send landing forces to give India a Pearl Harbor moment and retake the Empire.

>>668623

Now we talking, New England for the English.

>>668610

Obviously it would require rather large radical changes in government to be done correctly.

>>668572

>>668610

Wouldn't keeping a handful of nukes be useless with improving missile defense technology?

>>668628

Worst comes to the worst we can just nuke ourselves, not really sure who would even risk an invasion anyway.

>>668568

You mean blowing up the building or actually stopping them from printing money to buy toxic assets from banks and state debts?

Blowing up the building would do exactly nothing save a few weird days in trading. That shit isn't on central servers and actual printers, it's heavily heavily decentralized and literally designed to survive such events.

Stopping them would plunge Europe and probably the world in an instant recession that would make the 1929 crash look like a cake walk.

>>668535

The only real resistance you'll get, after their initial attempt to form barricades and contain / restrict the invasion with riot police fails, is in the muslim "no-go" zones that are self-policed. The military will never even have a chance to engage beyond some lights skirmishes around their bases.

>The military is planning to revamp only 148 of its 227 Challenger 2 tanks

What they neglect to mention is that only ~50 of those tanks are ready for action at any given time. Remaining are in storage, maintenance, laid up etc. Countries like Serbia maintain a higher level of readiness.

Hell Poland and Turkey probably have the strongest NATO armies after America itself.

>>668755

They're the claims made by the 13 colonies in 1783. Once you guys started manifesting your destiny out to the west I think that a lot of the east coast states started claiming that their borders would extend from where they were at that point out until they hit the Pacific.

>>668628

Well no. Nuke is still going to do it's job in the diplomatic field as a deterrent, and it doesn't matter if there's 2 or 200 of them.

>>668696

The old map is insane. I thought the current USA map is worse but I am wrong. I was laughing for 10 minutes!

>>668487

Who cares about Tanks?

Do we have Maritime Patrol Aircraft yet?

>>668493

The UK doesn't have actual interests anymore.

>>668809

Apart from self destruction.

>>668809

>>668812

Do you have any right-wing movements in the country? Doesn't have to be a political party, even a simple group of armed people is good enough at this point

>>668813

We have a lot of angry people but if they are organizing they're doing it very quietly.

>>668813

You get arrested for being right-wing in Bongland.

>>668827

Lukewarm civic nationalist who's afraid of genuine nationalists and is fine with mass immigration as long as they come from former colonies.

>>668837

Former colonies like India and Jamaica.

>>668838

Why did I think something like this will be the answer…

>>668838

I never understood this. Bongs are genuinely more concerned with immigrants from Poland than with Pakis

>>668840

They got infiltrated by (((moderates))) who successfully abolished the whites-only policy, causing all of the actual far-right members to break off into three smaller parties.

>>668842

We don't really like either but hating eastern Europeans isn't censored as heavily.

>>668819

>groups like the EDL

England Defamation League?

>>668842

Hating eastern Europeans doesn't get you thrown in prison so it's the most vocal one (plus Polish migration has had the biggest employment effects on white working class communities, you rarely see Pakistani or Indian builders for example), when you actually speak to people they want the poles and the paki's gone.

>>668857

>when you actually speak to people they want the poles gone

Well, maybe if perfidious albion didn't sell Poland and (Eastern Europe in general) to the Soviets during the war, went along with giving War reparations for Poland into Soviet Pool (Poland got nothing in exchange for the amazing ability for people to actually live in Silesia as renouncing war reparations was a condition for soviets to stop strip-mining Upper Silesia), didn't recognize (((PKWN))) as legitimate government nobody from Poland would come to West.

>>668857

There is also the fact that a moneyed Polish elite actively buying out the UK doesn't really exist, unlike the various subcontinentals.

>>668856

English Defence League, it's a group of Football firms/hooligans who formed an anti-Islamic group, used to be ran by Tommy Robinson who is a massive Zionist shill.

>>668858

Can't do anything about that now can we, I swear like 90% of immigrants are here due to some weird revenge fantasy.

>>668859

>He doesn't know about Polish Mer of London, Sadeusz Chanowski

All according to plan. (^:

>>668858

So how come there are 10 times as many of you in the UK as there are in Russia when the Russians are the ones who actually invaded you?

>>668862

>why not go to someone even worse off than you to have some sort of revenge and living in western standards.

Fuck, that's a tough one.

>>668863

So really you only care about historical grievances when you can get some free money out of it.

>>668866

Enemy hurting you is more acceptable than an ally's betrayal.

>>668867

So if the Russians were taking you in and giving you welfare money, you would still come here out of revenge?

>>668869

No? unfortunate as it is, I'm not a spokesman of, and the supreme authority over all the Poles though.

>>668870

Then why even bother giving the woe is me speech if you admit you're just following the money?

>>668877

Oh, Britain.

I'll pray for you, Englishmen.

>>668842

Third worlder immigrants come for gibs, with their outliers that are rich, intelligent and well educated are replacing the traditional britbong rich elite that is dying and forgot to have kids.

EEu migrants come almost exclusively to work, typically through EU schemes allowing them to work a good polish wage for an UK job (or at the very least without paying the various mandatory social costs for an UK company), which makes it a very low wage to pay out from the employer perspective.

The result of this is that the poor working class actually see Poles people working all the semi-skilled and skilled jobs they used to be doing and know full well they can't compete as their nationality make it impossible for them to be payed as low as EEu workers.

They don't see the third worlder doing it… because they don't, they do either completely non-skilled jobs for most of them and highly skilled jobs for their "elite" (where the few kids of what is left of the "middle class" that graduate to find diversity hires everywhere go insane, single and unemployed… finishing it off).

>>668493

>To be fair the UK doesn't need tanks to defend their actual interests.

Isn't protecting their homeland from hordes of ackbars an actual interest?

>>668567

This but it should be much easier for sergeants to reach officer rank and women should be prohibited from applying.

>>668896

oy vey, the actual terrorists are the white nazis, not the poor people of color

Why do you need an army when you're inviting the enemy in and giving him monthly tributes?

The UK,France,and America needs to get rid of their nukes like South Africa did.

>>668948

So you can defeat Best Worst Korea?

>>668962

Why doesn't SK have an armored burger or Taco dispenser where starving NK troops eat their final meal before proceeding to shit themselves to death due to nutrient deficiencies ?

>>668948

The real question is why do you have 80% circumcision rate and attempt to emulate holocaust industry.

>>668962

>ooga booga da planes will do everythin'

This is your brain when you're underage and think you know anything about the military

>>669045

The norks will bomb every military airfield before war will even be officially declared. Without western aid, worst korea stands absolutely no chance.

>>669045

>tensions rise

>Norks strike first because they know they have to

>gorillion artillery shells bomb northern half of worst korea back to 19th century

>worst korea military in disarray, eventually just waits for burgers to arrive to provide some support

It doesn't really matter how long they hold out. They won't prevent the initial artillery holocaust.

>>669050

>circumcision started through contact with the American military

Oh god, it's fucking contagious

>>669053

>artillery holocaust

I really want to see the aftermath

>>669053

>waits for burgers to arrive to provide some support

>burgers send nigger apes to rape the women instead

>>669050

>have centuries old traditions that evne make sense

>body is a divine gift from your parents

>amerimutt soldiers come in to end evil Japanese occupation that was building palaces of torture and oppression known elsewhere as schools and hospitals,

>they give two thirds of your territory to communists because such is the price of freedumbs

>dump all your traditions through the window and become a society rebuilt from ground up on consumption and capitalism

>as your civilizational role model, of all posibile civilizations; Byzantine, Brhamin, Latin, Arab, Chinese, you pick the one that hasn't created anything of value at ANY point in its existence, you chose to emulate jews.

>>668834

>▶

>>668837

>>668838

I kept trying to tell people this when explaining why I was apathetic to Ukip because ultimately, Nigel cares more about keeping England seperated from Europe than he does about the influx of Islam and insane internal laws being passed.

If England gets out of the EU good for them, but it won't solve a single one of their problems. It's a sort of bitter irony seeing how Margerat Thatcher and Raegan destroyed Rhodesia with embargoes, and attempted to do the same to Francos Spain despite pretending to be a brick wall against communism.

Now England is losing is becoming less English, and for the first time in many years I feel genuine sorrow. I used to hate the English, since my family moved to the US from Germany when I was 5 I heard all sorts of stories, but I genuinely don't want England to become a colder rainier pakistan with Jamaican flavoring.

>>669064

>the Pakis and Indians do their own thing. All they do is run foreign cuisine restaurants and corner shops, instead of going after the few remaining jobs left. And they actually pay taxes

You forgot the rapegangs.

>>669064

>All of your countrymen living here get paid 50-100% cash in hand.

Well, duh. If you were willing to pay taxes and decent wage, you wouldn't seek to employ cheap labour. Gypsies and Ukrops do the exact same thing over here.

>Their excuses for hiring cheap labour for building work and not expecting said work to be shit is actually astounding and funny to me.

Do they not understand that if the slavs at their doorstep were actually skilled at their job, they wouldn't be cheap labour?

>>/k/ confirmed for knowing jack shit about the working-class brit's situation

Nah, m8, I get it, I was just pointing out the irony of the situation – a leech that does nothing but pops out niglets while living on taxpayer money is prefferable to someone who works for a living. As for the Pole, I suspect he was making a joke. When rapefugee crisis began, we kept hearing from the media about how "migrants will work and bring in money to pay for the aging German pensions." It's one of favourite normalfag memes over here since even the dumbest goy in eastern yurop didn't buy that bullshit narrative.

>>669065

He clearly wrote "do their own thing" though?

>>668872

Welcome to modernity, if you have a grievance against whitey emotionally bully him into paying up.

>>669065

Poles are very friendly with Pakistani's, like the other British anon said, all and I mean all Polish women are coalburners or mudsharks, if you see a mixed couple in the UK 90% of the time it's a polish woman, it's very likely that those polish plumbers take part in the other activities of our wonderful immigrant groups, including rape gangs.

>>669077

One of the best illegal coffee shops in east london is run by a Pole.

>>669078

Illegal coffee shop?

>>669078

> illegal coffee shops

What's that? an euphemism like a "pizza parlor"?

>>669079

'E never got 'is coffee parlour loicense, the git.

>>669078

>"Hey. Yuo wantings of a… sharp coffee?"

>sells you a big mug of coffee with a big, illegal knife submerged in it.

>>669081

They need a license to run a coffee shop? That’s a ridiculous idea.

>>669083

Hahaha

>>669083

Corblimey, dat's against da law, it is!

>>668693

Poland is basically Greece without a Navy and half the Air Force.

>>669079

>>669080

>>669081

>>669083

>>669084

>>669085

>>669098

A coffee shop is an "everything is cannabis-based" shop.

>>668515

>219 indigenous variant of leopard 2

>108 leopard 2a4

>261 indigenous IFV

>500+ M113

>648 BMR-M1

>135 VEC-M1

>shitload of helicopters, jeeps and logistical vehicles of every stripe

>fairly large airforce and 3 attack subs and like 7 frigates

Did I miss something? I realize Spain has territories on the other end of the mediterranean but this is actually a pretty impressive army by Yurrup standards? Is there a reason for this?

>>669132

Being a dumping ground for West-German surplus (payed with EU subsides… so the German gov' is giving money to the German industry to ship out "modified" German tanks via a spanish proxy. Ah the joy of the EU intricacies) ≠ an army.

>>668560

militarization is the survival strategy of man, face to the bloodshed or succumb.

>>668968

Well with all the rain in SE Asia I'm sure it will be money well spent.

>>668967

soldiers make the tanks function, it's kinda like giving a baby a [insert industrial tool here] and expecting them to [insert purpose of the previous tool here]

They're gonna have a bad time.

>>668962

>what is opposing air force

>what is AA

>what is inclement weather

>>668965

limitless bureaucracy

>>669111

Looks like you're sorta right.

Still, Poland has a few more years before they need to hand back their military to Germoney as collateral than Greece does.

>>669156

>>668965

Neither Marders nor AMX-10P guns were stabilized that's why.

Of course it's because they used low recoil 20mm that once mounted on an armored chassis were very stable to begin with so they were deemed unnecessary.

Want to know who had a stabilized 30mm?

The BMP-2.

>>669156

Do you want to know the point to this story that will really tug at your heartstrings?

The export version 'Desert Warrior' is fitted with a stabilised 25mm gun, BAE decided that only foreign clients deserved a gun that can be fired on the move

>>669156

Did you know the Challenger 1 wasn't even built for the British Army? Originally we were going to sell them all to Iran.

>>669278

I can't think of a single context where that shouldn't have resulted in at the very least a complete change of leadership in BAE.

>>669257

>Isn't that lack of security by design?

Pretty much, it just tickles me to think about it. How often do you think a UK nuke captain gets tempted to nuke something, just for shits and giggles?

>>668827

He's the Trump of the UK. He's currently trying to start a party to "push through brexit" after he went and shilled for Trump for ages. His newest recruite is a commie woman.

He does nothing but present an "anti establishment" candidate who is identical to all the others in the system. If you put a blonde wig on him he would be Trump.

>>668840

Depending on who you listen to Nick Griffon was a plant who did everything he could to fuck up the party. Group splintered every which way after he went on a BBC talk show and got his shit pushed in over and over. He had no response to being called racist and that's all he got for an hour straight.

>>668887

The third worlders are usually employed by the NHS rather than building companies. They go to clown college medical university and accept minimum wages for a doctor. While medical staff trained in real places have fees to pay off which means they can't complete. The NHS will also try to hire third worlders over natives and has stated as such.

You will struggle to find a dentist or a doctors surgery that isn't majority pakistani now. With a couple of africans to make up numbers. The only native staff you will find is female nurses and maybe paper work staff. And then it will be a mix of every race stuffed in together.

>>669151

The army is trying exceptionally hard to hire women these days. Giving a "soldier" a tank is worse than giving it to a baby these days.

>>669381

>The army is trying exceptionally hard to hire women these days. Giving a "soldier" a tank is worse than giving it to a baby these days.

I wonder how a bunch of Streloks summoned on short notice with 10 minutes to prepare&assemble would perform as a tank battalion in an exercise against regular Britbong tank crews.

>>669387

>MMMuuuummm, can't I just finish my TF2 round? I've been using tank simulator 2006 for aaaaggggeeeees

>>669398

If Poles are the Spics of Europe, what does that make the Spanish?

>>669401

>what does that make the Spanish

The Spanish are Argies (if we pretend "spic" is purely Mexican), lazy, previously a military dictatorship, think they are white and have a strong hatred for the UK over a small rock.

>>669402

>implying anglos are white either

Not with what your telly programmes have been saying.

>>669387

I'd be more inclined to used the tank itself as bait for a three man AT group.

t.guy who make ukrops cry

>>669341

I can't help but notice that the people with the highest opinion of Poland tend to be separated from them by at least one major ocean.

>>669472

What would happen if Poland were to be thrown out of the EU?

>>669381

>Nick Griffon was a plant who did everything he could to fuck up the party.

Bowden Era BNP was actually going somewhere and had an Ideological foundation other than just being edgy. Griffin fucked everything up and ran Bowden out of the party by making false claims that Bowden was a pederast and using the arrest of an unrelated and different aged Jonathan Bowden as a pretext. All this at a time where the BNP was actually gaining traction and had a useful Right Wing Safety Squad.

Makes you think.

>>669472

>>669471

Polish immigrants are the albanians of western europe.

>>669473

>anyone being thrown out from muttification union.

>britain actually leaving.

if they were serious they'd threaten to nuke brussels unless their brexit demands are met.

>>669479

But illegal drug and arms trade and prostitution is bigger in ukraine?

>>669482

when it comes to crime rate and drugs, ukrainians cannot compete. Albaniggers are the kings of degeneracy

>>669398

This lad gets it. Any kind of immigrant moving round Europe is likely to be scum. Families send their degenerate kids off to get gibs me dats and send home. The Pakis do it, the poles do it. Most race mixers in the UK are Polish women and Polish men know it and hate the women /r9k/ style.

The polish, Paki and Nigger communities all live side by side on the same streets. One street will have one ethnicity and they box each other in. When you go to the back streets of towns it's a mix of all 3 shops together where there used to be British shops. A nigger super market, a pawn shop, a sex shop, another nigger market then a pole market and a paki shop which constantly has trucks dropping stuff off out the back.

Amerimutts don't understand "white" doesn't mean shit in the real world. The poles are all scum and invaders the same way the darkies are.

>>669482

>if they were serious they'd threaten to nuke brussels unless their brexit demands are met.

A little over the top, and too easy a bluff to call (there's a nuclear power with the means and reason to retaliate, even if it is France). Threatening the targeted assassination of EU bigwigs would be a more practical and workable line to take. Mind you, with the hypercucks in Westminster at the moment it's more likely that all of Islam will decide to reform into a pacifist and charity based faith that restricts its activities and presence to muslim nations.

>>669476

TBH mate I don't follow British politics enough to know what went down. I used to listen to podcasts which discussed it's collapse or lectures which bitched about it briefly. You seem to know your shit.

Any idea how Radio Aryan has been kept up? I can't help but think it's a honey pot considering how unlikely it is you wouldn't get shoahed for hate speech.

Is the London forum still going or whatever it was that hosted those chats?

>>669486

>Amerimutts don't understand "white" doesn't mean shit in the real world

From my experience, even the worst albanian is a better person than the average gypsy and paki

>>669489

I've met some okay pakis. I don't like 'em but I've met some. As others have said, poles often have drug trafficking connections and get white girls addicted to stuff and pimp them out.

>>669050

>contact with the American military

>contact

Imagine having so many of your native women sleeping with foreign soldiers that they begin to expect everyone's dicks to look like theirs

>>669486

>„amerimutts”

>compares Poles to pakis and shitskins

Its only the lowly plebs, criminals and shitskins that leave their countries because of money…

>>669493

Fuck off Hungary. No one even remembers you exist.

I don't care if it's poles raping children or pakis. Neither belong.

>>669494

Let me tell you a secret my dear friend: you are using a Hungarian flag too.

>>669494

>Fuck off Hungary. No one even remembers you exist

wait a minute that flag

>>668487

good thing they are recruiting only women, pakis, niggers and muslims in the army

>>669498

What about the royal marines? Their commercials look pretty manly.

>>669500

Well yeah. They still need wypeepo for the portions of the military that actually get shit done.

>>669488

>You seem to know your shit.

I'm no expert but I thought it was incredibly fishy and that was why I looked into it.

>Radio Aryan

Really think you're right that it's a Honey Pot. It has all the markers of trying to lead people astray (Nazi Larping and edgy runic symbols as opposed to any actual motives or useful action and such). https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6611525/British-racists-vile-secretive-neo-Nazi-radio-station-Government-shut-down.html That article really cemented it in my mind that it is kept alive to be a honey pot and strawman. This is an era where retweeting a limerick about trannies not passing is essentially a jailable offense in the UK. At this point the idea that there are open and not anonymous financiers and operators of Radio Aryan that havent had frequent contact with the constabulary is laughable.

I don't know for a fact that the current leaders of things in the BNP orbit are govt plants but it would be quite hard to think they are not.

>london forum

Hope Not Hate and all those groups got wind of it and focused enough attention that any action going on with the forum has been in the much smaller regional groups rather than the main org which iirc hasnt done any event since 2017 and must be crawling with agitators.

>>669489

>From my experience, even the worst albanian is a better person than the average gypsy and paki

Might be true, but Albanians arent white.

>>669506

Even the most pozzed military will have at least one outfit that's still expected to get shit done - I'm pretty sure that even Sweden will have one unit it can be proud of. When it gets hit though, then you know things are beyond saving.

>>669514

>Don't even fill in the form

Fuck that was great

>>669515

They've made some wonderful recruitment campaigns over the years.

>>669497

>>669496

>What is a VPN and why would someone use one during hate crimes? I picked it because no one knows it exists

>>669508

Pictures of the owner leaked and he's half paki. He denied it was him but the voice was a dead on match.

The fat Scottish poof was a honey pot too. Millenial woes I think his name was. One of people he used to sit on honeypot with was having regular meet ups with police and telling them everything that went on. When he found out he didn't kick the guy from the group he said it was nothing to worry about. A month later he was plastered all over the news papers and had to go into hiding for a while.

>>669514

UK special forces are considered the best in the world for a reason. You don't try to poz the special forces because it will get you killed. Only takes 1 bad job from a tranny to wipe out half a unit and you get some very angry men with all the skills they need to kill you. Best to keep them functional for your own safety and potential rescue.

>>669554

>hate crime

Nice Orwellian dialectics there.

>>668490

Read my mind

>>669471

>>669472

If you think Poles are bad, be glad you haven't dealt with Ukrops or Bulgarians.

>>669565

I don't know much about Bulgarians but you are right about ukrops. They are loud, drunkard and for the most part they don't seem to be willing to learn the host countrys language. They are also terribly corrupt which is good if you want to smuggle stuff out of their country, but they shouldn't bring that shit here.

>>669566

Ukrops are like everything you hate about Poles dialed to 11. Bulgars… I don't know if it's just those they send over to work, or if they're all like that, but those guys aren't fucking human.

>bolgar comes here to work at an assembly line

>can't speak any language other than Bulgarian

>manager that can speak bulgarian is not within sight as he is babysitting another bulgarian at the moment

>bolgar needs to shit but doesn't know where the toilets are

>goes behind the machine he was operating, takes a shit there, wipes himself with his hand, goes back to work with his shit-smeared hands and a pile of poop spreading its stink across the hall

>>669567

I've never said I hate Poles. I noticed a high prevalence of drunkardness amongst Poles working abroad too, but that just seems to be true to basically every Eastern European.

>that greentext story

Now I understand why Greeks hate Bolgars…

>>669567

Are Bulgars the Indians of Europe?

Granted hygiene is kinda wacky across eastern Europ but still.

>>669479

No, Poles don't get supported by glowniggers to run slavery, prostitution and drug rings like Albanians and Lebanese are.

They may be scummy and tend towards criminality but I don't see them driving around in six figure luxury SUVs when not attending shops without customers.

>>669431

That's more to try and convince us than anyone else.

>>669560

That's the term for it fag. I don't agree with it but I also don't agree with Hungary existing but know it's name.

>>669566

You just described poles. These days the British streets sound like you opened 10 different videos in different languages. Hearing an English accent is rare.

>>669572

Poles do that in the UK. They often get teenage girls hooked on drugs they supply them. All the immigrants know they can just scream racist and go on a bender.

>>669581

>autistic mistery meat unleashes his impotent rage (that is building up in him for living in a country where he have to pay for a VPN so he can call a nigger a nigger on a Pecheneg bow manufactoring forum) on me by claiming my country shouldn't exist

Are you an ukrop, a serb, a romanian or a slovakian slaving his life away in Western Europe/US?

>>669341

This same fucking rally has been posted for 4 years and the poles even sperged when people called them out on it.

We had people screaming for national socialism just last year and every year before. I guess this is the difference between us and them.

>>669585

Go back to fucking donkeys like all you faggots over there do. Can't tell if you're a new species of goblin or just deformed.

>>669486

>most race mixers in the UK are Polish women

Unironically this, every time I see a white woman with a nigger, it turns out to be a pole. It's so weird.

>>669591

Roosh the semite started his journey of degeneracy in Eastern Europe and he always complains about how shitty "night life" is over here. Not saying we are that much better but the wetbacks of Europe arent either.

>>669591

I don't get it either. Do the mutts get citizenship if a nigger and a pole fuck and shit here?

>>669591

Dunno about Poland, but most young girls moving abroad from here are gold diggers and absolute whores. If the Paki's willing to loosen up the wallet, I have no doubt they'd jump on his dick.

>>669595

It's not young girls. It's 35ish women you see mostly. Often overweight or ugly. They settle with niggers more than pakis. It's women who are so unappealing they end up with a nigger rather than gold digging.

>>669599

Whew, that's sad. At least they won't pop out too many mutts at that age.

>>669600

Who do you think is having all the IVF and hormone shit?

>>669590

>projecting this hard

>using such childish insults

No matter what you literal Turkish rapebabies do, we will always be superior compared to you.

What would happen if Chechens flew a plane into the EU parliament during session?

>>669614

Support for Chechen independence would increase

>>669614

It would be a surprise to be sure, but a good one.

>>669281

>I can't think of a single context where that shouldn't have resulted in at the very least a complete change of leadership in BAE.

"If it's not in the contract then we don't do it"

>>669616

Would Putin allow for Chechen independence in exchange for Chechens undermining the EU with terrorist attacks?

Would be interesting to see how mainstream media would react to that as Chechens are poor innocent muslims bullied by evil wh*te m*le Russians.

>>669614

>"Hear Hear, Russia attacked EU!"

>>669621

OK, so how do we enact physical removal on every BAE executive manager?

>>669622

Come on Germany, you know that Muslims are never responsible for their actions - they're just poor brown people after all do you think anyone pushing that line ever considers that they are categorically defining all non-white-males as inferior?. There will always be an evil wh*te m*le who can be blamed for their actions, even if the worst thing he can be accused of is not tonguing their balls with sufficient enthusiasm.

>>669040

>>ooga booga da planes will do everythin'

Your turd world mentality is slipping up, patrioti. The only thing you can't do with current plane tech is physical occupation.

On the one hand our military is a joke.

But its equally silly, people ITT talking about countries without nuclear arms invading Britain. That would just be suicide on their part as their larger cities gets glassed.

>>669629

>their larger cities gets glassed

You sure 'bout that?

Think about this from the perspective of the sub captains (and crew):

Your country is already fucked beyond saving at the point they get the order, because Britain isn't going to nuke Pakistan because 5 dudes in a dinghy landed in Liverpool. Nuke or no nuke, it's not coming back.

Now, the nuke sub has a choice: Nuke a city and potentially get hanged as a war criminal since there's no political advantage for anyone to save the crew, and probably get their families massacred by the invaders, with no gain for anyone since Britain is fucked already.

Or set course for the nearest harbor, ex-british or not, and gift some country a slightly-used nuclear submarine and live like kings for the rest of their days.

Which option would you choose?

>>669628

>The only thing you can't do with current plane tech is physical occupation

You can't even survive against competent air defenses.

>>669632

That's only if your pilots' skill is low or average and assuming that the enemy has spent the equivalent cost to your planes solely in AA (and unlike aircraft AA platforms have next to zero offensive capabilities or tactical plasticity).

An ASM has always an overwhelming kinetic advantage against a SAM of equivalent size and technological level. Unlike surface launching platforms an aircraft can routinely outrun or outmaneuver a SAM.

The only "competent" air-defenses, in terms of cost effectiveness, combat aircraft have encountered since the end of WW2 was in Serbia, and that practically just ground forces systemically evading combat vs aerial forces leaving vital infrastructure exposed, ultimately losing them the war since (((NATO))) had zero qualms in causing mass casualties against White Christian non-combatants. The most "effective" AA defenses, in terms of kill count (a two-digits sum for all conflicts since the 50s), was gooks and sandniggers spamming DAKKA on incoming suicide-mission aircraft of much lesser cost than the sum of the AA guns, if not even the projectiles themselves, that still managed to score kills on their targets.

>>669631

TBH the ruler of Pakistan and the UK are basically the same thing given another couple of decades.

>>669629

The country is already occupied by hostile invaders. The UK wouldn't nuke any one because it doesn't have the backbone to defend it's self any more. It's a rotting corpse that people still call by it's name before it just becomes a skeleton something else chews on to grow bigger.

>>669631

>get the option of nuking pakis

>not taking

Strelok, are you alright?

>>669636

what about our S-300 and the russian S-400? Aren't they supposed to be peak anti-aircraft defense

>>669649

>LEO dogfighting doctrines

>because Lockheeb

Wouldn't that doctrine boil down to 'let the computer fire a missile when it's worked out the intercept trajectory, and don't worry you have no say in that, you're just here for PR/liability'?

>>669651

Well the lack of stealth up there needs to be compensated somehow, so why not put AIM-9s and Vulcans onna space plane?

>>669648

Being less shitty than the Patriot doesn't mean they are a panacea, out of context even the ZSU-23 has a better kill count against planes than the S-300.

>>669657

>Russia

>first world country

By that logic, are 1st world countries paying immigrants to turn them into 3rd world countries 4th world countries?

Is Japan the Byzantium of modern times?

>>669671

Oy vey, don't forget true polish immigrant, (((Aaron Kosminski))) (^:

>>669675

If they kept his name as A. Kosminski or edited it to at least "Adam" they'd have perfect fuel for atrocity-based desensitization propaganda to secure s447 JUST money, but now they had to have annudah shoah happening to a literal strawman.

>>669622

>Would Putin allow for Chechen independence

lol no. Why would you let an easily bought group of people free, there is a clear reason why Russia curb stomped them back into the federation.

>>669667

>>AA effectiveness is measured in kills

>what are quotation marks

AA's primary purpose deterrence and as NK, Vietnam, and pretty much every conflict with a power since proved, they are not particularly effective at it either. Especially now with the stealth meme SAMs lose the one and a half advantage they had over aircraft that was longer detection range and relatively better concealment.

>>669667

>>systems that never fired a shot in anger with completely unknown and classified characteristics are automatically better than anything else that actually saw action because some people were payed 5 ruble to repeat it enough on the internet

NATO sure loses its shit whenever large storks are around the F-35 and other aircraft no? That's a bit more eyebrow-raising than needing a sixpack of patriots to shoot down a short range ballistic (aka predictable momentum) missile from the early 60s.

>>669692

>The majority of our Jews are Polish or German immigrants.

None forced you to take them in though or make their flat currency a global cancer for petty India Companies' shekels.

>>669694

One would have to imagine that the F-35 would not have been able to limp back to base if it were struck by a SAM. That Russian AWACS that got hit by friendly fire broke up entirely and those don't have a spontaneous combustion meme going about them.

>firing six missiles as insurance means the system is faulty

I'm sorry that we can afford to fire as many intercepting missiles as we wish to make sure the incoming missile has a 0% chance of killing our guys. Even the webm of the S-300 system showed them dumping missile after missile into whatever drone target they had up to insure a kill. Again this claim that everyone else just uses one, putting all their eggs in one basket is nothing but macho bullshit.

>>669671

>How many actual Brits still celebrate your independence day?

The Australian shitposter has impressed the world, but the American shitposter has impressed the Australian. - Rommel

>>669724

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, limey. You sucked off the kikes long before the US was even a thing. You still sucked off the kikes with Churchill as well and fought against Hitler. Let's not forget you essentially gave the kikes nukes.

Don't go pretending your hands are clean now, britkike.

>>669724

>>669731

UK and americans blaming each other on who suck off the jews more.

Jesus christ.

>>669692

Who forced you to take them in?

Could it be the pesky Polish Rothschild dynasty?

>>669736

Fuck off nigger.

If they have won, you wouldn't be here.

>>669646

>>669633

Sure, anyone here would nuke the Pakis, without waiting for them to invade anything first even. But I doubt anyone here would be given a nuke sub by the UK of $CURRENT_YEAR

The guys that actually get given command over these things nowadays are quite different: A man mainly loyal to globalist ideology with barely any roots to speak of (wouldn't want the press to find out your nuke sub captain is a member of BNP now, would you)

>>669746

>140 IQ

>>669746

I thought this species died out already…

>the muttspammer strikes back

Haven't deleted anything in here yet because both parties seem to be going at it but I'd advice this derailment soon comes to an end

>>669770

>Churchhill

>anti-kike

oh i'm laffing

Really, to be honest, the entire world needs a good nuking.

Everything is shit. The sooner it all burns down, the better.

Nukes when?

>>669772

There's more than 1 reason to be tricked by kikes than "I want to protect the kikes"

>>669750

>>669752

I thought you stopped spamming because gyrovol got to work, spermuttt?

You are spiritually a shitskin. Like biologically one also.

>>669777

Greekbro, get this nigger.

>>669776

You and the burger have been going at it for days, retard. I chose not to interfere. The muttspammer is a whole other kind of faggotry.

>>669783

Both murican and brits were jew servants in WW2.

Their blaming each other is hilarious as fuck to me.

>>669770

>>669741

>>669774

>>669770

How can one be so wilfully ignorant? Is the history of the negro saxons too shameful to be admitted?

>>669788

Churchill literally started WW2 by his retardness over Germany.

inb4 war starts with Germany invading Poland

Nope, the Soviet invades Poland at the same time, yet somehow the war is only declared against Germany.

I find it funny that immediately the war he got demoted, the jews already got full use of him, no need for him to agitate a war against communists.

>>669788

>but reality forced him to ally

Nothing forced him to do anything. Germany never threatened the UK. The reality is he was a complete fuck up. He was pro-women rights (he literrally freed most of the militants… that promptly proceeded to attack him, as in physically), pro-worker rights (who thanked him by shitting on him all his life), anti-free business (de facto nationalized the ancestor of BP), of course he was pro-irish and even against nothern-Ireland then there is his WWI record… First he promised to send British reinforcements to Antwerp… and immediately asked for the british forces in the area to be withdrawn in a classic anglo move, then Galipoli was his baby after they told him to fuck off with an even more retarded one to invade Germany from the sea (the Empire high command knew it wasn't gonna work against the Germans but he kept pushing so they settled that it might work against the roaches).

Then he used the fact that he was of the highest British nobility to secure a fucking brigade commander job (he was lieutenant and not a good one as every commander he served under openly tried to get rid of him). Of course the british army by then had already had it's share of noble inbreeds in command so they refused, they still had to give him "something" (imagine the scandal if they just told him to fuck off! Never mind the whole army is neck deep in blood and mud) so they gave him a battalion and parked it in the rear to never see combat.

Those men are the only lives Churchill can claim to have saved by his presence.

He tried to get some support for Russia, true but only because it was the hot issue of the time, and as everything he ever done, he failed.

After the war he was chancellor of the Exchequer his… his brightest idea? Listening to Keynes and single-handedly CREATING THE GREAT DEPRESSION. Yes you fucking read that right.

Off course being such a genius, he bankrupted his own house but made friend with people he made considerably richer, you know the rest…

He was the archetypal libtard. Everything he touched turned to shit, he constantly flip-flopped on political values because the only thing he truly wanted was basking in the light of public opinion.

And WWII was a perfect scene for him, Churchill didn't want peace. Not because he was anti-german, not because he had any idea of what he was doing but simply because he had finally made it to prime minister and there was no fucking way in hell he would stayed only for a month and only had to sign an armistice with Germany (and resign in defeat).

>>669797

>gook

>reddit spacing

>"muh y didn't u fight against da soviets???", despite the fact that we did fight the soviets in the winter war and supplied the Finns

>ignoring the fact that Germany had already invaded multiple countries by that point, whereas the Soviets had only done Poland

>>669797

WW2 was literally stated by WW1. Problems were not resolved and some nations were in situations they had no way to resolve without violence. There is no single kick off point you can clearly label.

Churchhill was a buffoon and a drunk. He fucked up every job he had and was just promoted and pushed on to get rid of him. Churchhill could easily be compared to someone like Trump, where he doesn't actually matter but he makes a good public figurehead. The people behind him did what they wanted and he did the publicity photos for it.

>>669798

We're quite aware he was a fuck up and he always wanted a war to make a legacy for himself, which was his true goal in all of this. That isn't up for debate.

Germany did threaten the UK, not with invasion but with glassing it. Are you going to pretend the Germans didn't bomb the shit out of the country and likely would have threatened or even used a nuke had they got the ability to do so?

It's not a simple black and white history. We're all aware the mainstream story is bullshit but that doesn't mean Hitler was a great guy who never once killed a white man. As said above, the Germans also had Jews in their army. If not for a half jew traitor handing Britain a German plane the Germans would have dominated Britain with superior tech and taken air supremacy.

>>669799

Depending on which side you take you could say the Germans were retaking land they had a claim to. But that depends how you define the map.

>>669805

>Comparing the several, confirmed, German 'Uranprojekt' attempts to sci-fi spess mahrehns

What kind of argument is that?

>>669810

TBH all 40k fans are mentally retarded. It's the Marvel movies of the wargaming scene. And he's probably downstream from them and only plays the computer games and reads 4/tg/

>>669810

>>669812

I can't tell if if you've both genuinely missed the point this hard, or if you're just pretending to be retarded, but either way B R A V O.

>>669813

Brits are terrible posters. Not as bad as leafs, but definitely up there. Fucks sake, the anglosphere in general (sans Aussies for they are at least humorous and kiwis because they don't exist :^)) are full of shitty posters.

To be honest, if Germany made nukes and glassed London, then the brits' shitty island would be less shitty. Oh well.

>>669818

Nah m8. You brits are insufferable autists who bitch about the empire you once had being replaced with pakis and other shitskins that you happily took in.

Enjoy your decay, lel. Also, should I bring up all the blacked history that your previous BBC is showing?

>inb4 you bring up the spics

Who fucking cares? The western world is fucked. No point saving it now. At least we can laugh at you dying just a bit faster than us.

>>669819

>Being this out of touch with reality

No one brought up the empire except mentioning the USA is just a stray fart of it in the history books. No one considers the BBC remotely good and hasn't in decades.

So what's left "ignore the mexican raping my daughter" or have you never read a book on mexican racial traits? They're the only people more pedo than muslims are. And you have a drug cartel problem.

>>669821

Who cares? The US will obviously never fix its problems. Same as your country will never fix its shit either. Tough luck to both of us.

The point I was making (and that you obviously didn't read) was that we're both dying but you look to be dying a little bit faster than us. Therefore the US wins by dafault.

>>669479

Albanian chicks are kinda cute thoughbut jesus fuck stay away they're crazy.

>>669801

>Germany did threaten the UK, not with invasion but with glassing it. Are you going to pretend the Germans didn't bomb the shit out of the country and likely would have threatened or even used a nuke had they got the ability to do so?

They started the heavy bomb campaign targeting the factories and airfields AFTER Churchill refused to engage in peace talks, despite the British army being virtually wiped out…

And they started bombing London directly AFTER Churchill sent bombers to Berlin out of spite.

Germany wanted a land empire. UK had a sea empire.

There was no fucking reason there couldn't be a reasonable agreement between both, especially since managing to take limited human losses in Dunkirk, UK wouldn't have been in a terribly weak position (compared to France) and could unmistakably have pushed Germany for a white peace.

If Churchill wanted to… which he really didn't.

The reality was the German Empire, like the French before, just an actual united EU would to the US, threatened the ability of UK to DICTATE their conditions to the continent countries.

Which is what you were truly allergic.

It doesn't means that the UK interests were at stake. It just means it would have been a bit harder. Not impossible, not nationally destructive, just a bit harder.

The UK, just like the US today, wanted to be the SOLE POWER in the entire world and have a global hegemony… which both impossible, is the complete opposite of defending actual interests and the concept of realpolitik.

And that's why we call you the eternal anglo. Just like jews you have to go the extra mile, no matter how scummy, how dishonorable, how stupid and how dangerous. You to get ALL the shekels.

For example giving the Sudetenland to Germany was perceived as a terrible slight on Britain. Gasp imagine the horror, a land entirely populated by Germans, in the middle of fucking nowhere, that Germany, the country of Germans, feel should be theirs. How dare they!

Why the fuck should the UK, and Island nation that doesn't even really border Germany, care?

And why do you think people in the US are so hysterical about Crimea, that they can't even put on a map?

It's the same reason. It has nothing to do with the actual national interests.

It has to do with the mental posturing of what people think their country is/should be.

And to cover this insanity, because it is insane, you drape it in the idea that this is just and morally superior.

But no. Shit happening in Germany never did and never will threaten the UK actual national interests.

>>669826

>Shit happening in Germany never did and never will threaten the UK actual national interests.

A united Europe is bad for Britain. Even if you're outside of our most obvious sphere of influence/interest a united Europe has always been a threat to British sovereignty and independence. It was dangerous when Napoleon was the face of a Euro superstate, it was dangerous when Hitler was the face of a Euro superstate, it's dangerous when it's Junker (or another faceless Brussels cunt) in the same position.

>>669826

>Two global empires side by side will never end badly

What is European history in a nutshell? A large land empire next to a sea empire is going to come into conflict. It's the same reason the EU (a united Europe, which has obviously been good for us right?) wants a buffer between it and Russia. Two empires side by side means war.

You're spewing shit at people already aware of the situation you onion fucking frog.

>>669828

Explains it clearly. An united Europe would be unstoppable and able to bully the smaller British isles into submission. Your sea empire doesn't mean shit when you can swim between the mainland and the isle. A ferry takes 90 minutes to cross the channel. Now consider what a military force could cross in.

>>669824

>Albanian chicks are kinda cute

They're dumb whores. If you think the average white girl is a retarded slut then prepare yourself when you're about to witness albanian female bitchiness.

>>668560

>The British police in Gibraltar can probably duke it out long enough with the Spanish army to wait for UK marines to arrive…

If only. The Falklands has shown how good a minor war is when it comes to fixing British politics and the amount of spanish and (((Londoner))) screeching would be hilarious.

>>668493

The frog is right: bongland would gain more from stronger naval and air forces than it would from a large land army. Outside of 2003-style (((invasions))) there's no need for much more than a strong expeditionary force.

>>668507

>We are not in 11th century. It's way more easy to invade an island nowadays. With AAVs, helibornes, paratroopers and so on, you can traverse the english channel like a river.

You're retarded. Time and again what fags is that merely landing actual combatants directly into combat with an aware opponent and securing a beachhead is a fraction of what you have to do in an invasion: you then need to bring in food, fuel, rear-line support personnel etc not only for those initial troops but for everyone else you land afterwards to carry on the fight. Warfare isn't a video game where these things magically appear or the enemy instantly gives up when you conquer their capital.

>>669320

>Ireland is in a worse position than we are at the moment, they have to sort their shit out before even thinking of getting dabbed on by the UDA and UVF again

More shitskins too and the actual population supports bringing more in.

>>669809

>You told Finland "tough luck, you're on your own"

actually our government sold out the finns despite the army and many normal people helping and volunteering thats what happens when you vote for socialists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-British_plans_for_intervention_in_the_Winter_War#Swedish_reaction

>so they asked Third Reich for help, nice revisionism.

germany was only asked for help for the next war since in 1939 germany and russia were basically allies but all of this is not taught in schools here because it would make the socialists look bad to admit they spent the entire war jewing both sides

>>669846

>Just because the skin isn't shit coloured doesn't stop you being a mutt.

Don't let the burgers hear you say that. It's true but still.

>>669826

>And they started bombing London directly AFTER Churchill sent bombers to Berlin out of spite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_bombing_of_Rotterdam its like none of you niggers can even read or just like ignoring facts that dont match your narrative /leftypol/ style

>>669818

>>669860

>>669846

>using the 56% D&C meme

youre just as bad

>>669864

the bongs are cucks now yes but that doesnt mean you can simply make up things they did in the past because it matches a certain narrative when you could just criticize them for the things they actually did do instead

>>669865

Bongs have fucked Europe ever since the Napoleonic war.

>>669822

This. We may be crabs in a bucket, but at least we get to laugh while the chef boils the britcrab before he comes for us.

>>669856

>The ones who left are the greediest and most politically cucked.

That's the case with all emigrants, tbh. All the cunts that left my country and started living in the US or elsewhere still do go to the embassy to vote for the most kiked parties, so as to ensure the homeland they scorned gets as cucked as possible.

And I perfectly understand not wanting foreigners, I was just pointing out how it seems you hate poles MORE than pakis.

>>669828

>>669832

Yo but an united Europe empire would actually be good for Europe.

The needs of european >>> the needs of brits and slavs.

>>669874

>That's the case with all emigrants, tbh. All the cunts that left my country and started living in the US or elsewhere still do go to the embassy to vote for the most kiked parties, so as to ensure the homeland they scorned gets as cucked as possible.

Fair enough. I've got nothing against the poles in poland other than their complete unwillingness to do more than talk about leaving the EU because they don't want the funding to dry up but that seems to be changing.

>And I perfectly understand not wanting foreigners, I was just pointing out how it seems you hate poles MORE than pakis.

I personally do not but you need to understand the sudden scale of poles arriving. In the 9 years from 2001 to 2015 the Polish population of the uk increased from 60,000 to 700,000 that's net so the actual number who came over was much higher as some left: such a sharp increase leads them to be the obvious and visible source of problems for those who have reached adulthood during that time. Compared to that the pakis, pajeets and bangladeshis three different groups and the distinction is important: they hate each other which is valuable information are more of a slow burn issue and importantly are much more localised to a handful of major cities rather than being seen anywhere and everywhere there's work.

Another issue I didn't touch on is how much work has been relocated from the UK to Poland often funding with EU 'development' grants designed to help the Polish economy. Imagine you're an average bong who can't really grasp long-term demographic issues and live in a small town many hours away from major cities like London and Birmingham with the paki ghettos. The largest employer in this town is a factory that's been there for the better part of 100 years: one day you hear it's being shut down and moved to Poland for (((economic reasons))) cheaper workers yes but also corrupt politicians who'll let you entire avoid expensive standards and suchlike and they even have the cheek to have the British workers go over and train their replacements yes, it's happened. Now your town has lost its main employer and everyone has to move into the service industry or retail which is shitty work. Then thousands of poles arrive driving down the wages in those jobs also and cutting that source of employment too, not bothering to learn the local language or integrate and putting stress on housing, healthcare, education classes being taught in Polish at your local school for example and so on.

Compare this to the handful of second or third generation paki families that live in your small town and mostly just run the local kebab shop + keep to themselves because they don't have the numbers to form a voting/pressure block and control the local council. If you're just the average bong the vague desire to retake London or Birmingham is always at the back of your mind and sure, that'd be nice, but it's far less pressing than the immediate issue of trying to find a job and afford food/housing/heating. Thus poles are the most commonly mentioned target. The fact they're not only the most common but are also by far the shittiest of the eastern euros you're likely to meet does not help at all. By the way the above is why Scots are so uncaring about the paki issue: the non-white population of Scotland is only 3% rather than the 15% it is in england so everywhere has the 'only a handful of second or third generation families who run the kebab shop' effect with in fact the only ethnic ghettos in Scotland being the Irish which people do often have a problem with. Most scots have never been to London or have only seen the touristy parts and obviously no media or politicians are willing to expose them to the reality of the situation down south.

I'm not defending the narrow view people in such a situation take but they're still just normalfags at the end of the day. You can't expect them to reason about things they can't directly see so effectively. Just try and think like you don't use imageboards and rarely if ever leave the town you grew up in except to go on holiday to spain or something.

>>669875

>sperg gook showing his retardation once more

>>669876

>other than their complete unwillingness to do more than talk about leaving the EU

You need to understand that everything east of Germany suffers from massive corruption in high politics, and that the only way EU gibs are practically ever used is lining someone's pockets. Nothing short of a threat of uprising will make Poland leave EU, because Polish leaders are making a tidy personal profit from staying in it. I mean unless EU cuts off gibs as punishment for being bad goys, but surely it won't be so retarded :^)

>the rest

I get it. But why, then, are the british not overwhelmingly against EU? I mean the vote was pretty even now there are big demonstrations in the UK against Brexit - do they not understand that due to the nature of EU, Poles (among others) will keep streaming into UK? Also, why we're at it, why is May such a collossal fucking retard? Is she intentionaly trying to sabotage Brexist or is she just that daft?

>>669874

>>669876

>Another issue I didn't touch on is how much work has been relocated from the UK to Poland often funding with EU 'development' grants designed to help the Polish economy. Imagine you're an average bong who can't really grasp long-term demographic issues and live in a small town many hours away from major cities like London and Birmingham with the paki ghettos. The largest employer in this town is a factory that's been there for the better part of 100 years: one day you hear it's being shut down and moved to Poland for (((economic reasons))) cheaper workers yes but also corrupt politicians who'll let you entire avoid expensive standards and suchlike and they even have the cheek to have the British workers go over and train their replacements yes, it's happened.

This twinings factory as one example (I was wrong as poles were sent to the UK to be trained before the move rather than vice versa)

https://archive.fo/ZBDAq

https://archive.fo/X7lAI

The short version of the second link is after complaints by the now redundant bong workers the EU overturned a £10 million 'development grant' of EU money the Polish government was going to give twinings to move their factory. Of course they still moved, and this shit happens all the time this one was only caught and cancelled by sheer luck and determination. I keep meaning to make a board or something dedicated to putting this basic, normalfag friendly factual information about the EU's downsides other than just immigration into an easily posted form but I'm lazy, I do have a lot of links bookmarked for it at least. The project could easily be expanded to cover the same thing that's happened in France too and for Eastern Euros it could cover the slow and stealthy destruction of their military and financial independence. It should be pretty easy to combine stories like this with a normalfag friendly 'don't buy from this company, buy from [company that produces equivalent company but still in the UK/France/wherever]': money after all speaks louder than anything else.

>>669879

>and for Eastern Euros it could cover the slow and stealthy destruction of their military and financial independence

too abstract for normalfags to comprehend. They just don't care. They wanna live in a world free of war and full of consumerism, so they're a-ok with less scary tanks and more cool market integrations. Now, rapefugees, on the other hand – normalfags sure DO understand that. Migrant crisis torpedoes EU support than anything else before it

>>669878

>But why, then, are the british not overwhelmingly against EU?

They are if you don't count Londoners as British.

>>669881

>They are if you don't count Londoners as British.

What about Scots?

>>669876

>Complete unwillingness to do more than talk about leaving the EU because they don't want the funding to dry up but that seems to be changing.

boy do I sure love new EU benches in park costing 1000 times more than what it'd cost to buy them normally, I'm sure no embezzlement takes place. (^: But such is life in a democratic people's republic respecting social justice and rule of law

>leaving the muttification project

>possible without a nuclear arsenal

You're a funny guy!

>Not bothering to learn the local language or integrate

Why aren't you forcing them, nobody will integrate with culture perceived as weak.

>>669877

Why? An united european empire woukd be unrivaled power of Earth.

inb4 the EU

Shitty trade alliance, nothing to do with a continental empire.

>>669882

They can fuck off too, but just removing London would have shifted the vote massively towards leave.

>>669878

>You need to understand that everything east of Germany suffers from massive corruption in high politics, and that the only way EU gibs are practically ever used is lining someone's pockets. Nothing short of a threat of uprising will make Poland leave EU, because Polish leaders are making a tidy personal profit from staying in it. I mean unless EU cuts off gibs as punishment for being bad goys, but surely it won't be so retarded :^)

I hope for your sake that uprising comes. I'd be happy to have balanced trade and immigration relations with any nationalist eastern European nation on a bilateral basis rather than a one size fits all imposed solution. There's a lot of talk coming out of Eastern Europe right now but it seems a lot like the politicans that have been put in place are too happy with the status quo as you say. Orban hasn't really done anything of substance that will have lasting benefits for example.

Other part in next post.

>>669883

>boy do I sure love new EU benches in park costing 1000 times more than what it'd cost to buy them normally, I'm sure no embezzlement takes place. (^: But such is life in a democratic people's republic respecting social justice and rule of law

I mean the average bong is as bad when it comes to voting for the same fuckers who've betrayed them in the past so I guess it's unfair to say that's a uniquely polish issue. It does seem like there's a larger amount of explicit nationalist talk and parade in Poland though so it should be easier to turn that into actual action.

>Why aren't you forcing them, nobody will integrate with culture perceived as weak.

<oi mate are you harassing that pole?

<where's your harassment liocense?

And so on. Though it's worth noting they integrate better in Scotland quite literally because the local population is more abrasive. The English are too polite for their own good a lot of the time.

One of the saddest outcomes of all of this is the fact that little 60,000 population of poles in the UK pre-2001 was mostly leftovers from either the allied Polish forces of WW2 or escapees/defectors from the communist period. They were well integrated, politically informed and just generally likeable and now their reputation and relation with the local population is ruined and their unique experiences buried when wave after wave of greedy faggots showed up and shit on everything they'd built and done while backing a newer version of the non-democratic unified Europe project they escaped.

>>669883

>boy do I sure love new EU benches in park costing 1000 times more than what it'd cost to buy them normally

Ahaha, so you have that shit too? Benches are a classic, but you gotta love traffic roundabouts too.

>"We won gibs to build a roundabout in our town."

<"But there is barely any traffic here. We don't need one."

>"Who the fuck cares, just pick some crossroad wide enough that we won't need to actualyl build anything."

<"How will we make the roundabout look?"

>"Lol, just paint it on the road with white paint and add appropriate traffic signs :^)."

<"That'll cost like 0.1% of the gibs we received."

>"I know. We're so cost-effective. Let's split the remaining money between us as a reward :^)"

You end up with absolutely retarded roundabouts everywhere that many drivers just straight up ignore due to how bullshit they are.

>>669884

>Why? An united european empire woukd be unrivaled power of Earth.

Gee, I so look forward to seeing my ethnicity and culture dissolve in some globohomo conglomerate because the globohomo will be so stronk! Asking "why yer all european" is like asking "why doesn't Vietnam join China? You'd be so stronk and you're all slant-eyed subhumans :^)"

>>669888 (nice)

Huh. Maybe Scottish independence would have benefited UK (or rather just England, as there would prolly be no more UK) after all.

>>669888

>>669892

Also, again ignoring Scotland and NI as special cases, compare these two maps.

>>669892

>I don't know enough about Eastern Europe to really be able to comment on what would be effective for that

Ecology. Unironically ecology. EU absolutely rapes the environment.

>"use biofuel :DDDD Here's gibs to grow shit for biofuel :DD"

>every field now grows fucking rapeseed

>rapeseed has shallow roots so rain washes fertile soil away, meaning rivers are full of shit and fertile soil is becoming more scarce

>water also isn't held in the ground, so massive droughts

>rodents, insects, birds, and even some game cannot live from fucking miles of rapeseed; die out en masse. Insects common 20 years ago now near extinct. In fact, experts say that in last 25 years, 75% of all insects in our country vanished (although this is also a global phenomenon) precisely due to intense agriculture

>>669893

Thanks for the breakdown. I never really realised just how few scots there are. What about May?

>>669890

Yeah, because the Roman empire, the HRE, the Napolenoic empire, the 2nd and 3rd Reich were globohomo, you retard czech.

Vietnam should have joined the Greater Asian co-prosperity sphere.

>>669897

>Ecology. Unironically ecology. EU absolutely rapes the environment.

That's a good one. If I ever bother to make a board for this I'll make sure to post it somewhere on /k/ and you eastern eurofags can advise.

>Thanks for the breakdown

No problem, it's interesting and important stuff. Many bongs don't even realise the extent of this.

>I never really realised just how few scots there are

Many went abroad to the USA, Canada, Australia or NZ which caused a bit of a decline.

>What about May?

She's utterly incompetent and was only made PM the Conversative party's real decision makers are not frontline MPs you'd know by name but rich (((finanfical backers))) and powerful backbench groups like the 1922 Committee because nobody competent wanted it. She's always existed to be blamed if things went badly or fired and replaced by someone better if it looked like things were going well. Basically an easily controlled puppet for the serious power behind the party.

>>669797

>Churchill literally started WW2 by his retardness over Germany.

Britain declared war on Germany in September 1939, on the same day Churchill was given a job in the Admiralty. He only became PM in 1940. The man must have had a time machine.

>>669900

He shilled for war before he got the PM seat.

>>669797

>>669900

Or to put it even more explicitly: Churchill was not in charge of the country or even in a high level decision-making position before WW2. I realise you're out resident retarded gook but you should at least know who Chamberlain is.

>669901

>He shilled for war before he got the PM seat.

Sure but to say he 'literally started WW2' is blatantly false given that he had no formal powers to do anything close to it and was only one of a group of pro-war politicans. Also PM is technically not a seat in the sense of an MP's seat you can be voted into. In fact you could technically be PM without winning an election at all though that's been out of fashion for a century or two.

>>669904

Ok, make it the brits started WW2.

>>669899

Why allow her to fuck everything up so badly, though?

>>669898

>Yeah, because the Roman empire, the HRE, the Napolenoic empire, the 2nd and 3rd Reich were globohomo, you retard czech.

They absolutely were, with the exception of 3rd Reich. Do you think the Gauls would have gotten to keep their traditions and identity if they stayed in the Roman Empire? Think they haven't gotten Romanized? A true nationalist would want no part in such an organization, as it would run counter to his culture.

3rd Reich intended to deport the subjugated peoples away from its lands, so again, hardly something the subjugated peoples would like to join.

>Vietnam should have joined the Greater Asian co-prosperity sphere.

Go join China! Grorious Empire with thousands years of history! Empires are so great, after all, right?

>>669906

>Why allow her to fuck everything up so badly, though?

Because they don't really want to leave. This was they can fuck it up as badly as possible and claim that's what was guaranteed to happen.

>>669905

Even that depends on a bunch of other factors and how far back you want to look.

>>669906

An empire is great if it imposes a sense of duty and vision as well as protection for its citizen/subject.

China does not do this.