26e679 No.661336
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>An Army rifleman has been reprimanded after going on a ‘killing spree’ in a virtual battlefield exercise.
>In the computer game, he shot dead one of his comrades and destroyed vehicles to kill several others.
>According to defence sources, the furious squaddie from 3rd Battalion, the Rifles, got fed up with ‘playing soldiers’ on a computer screen and decided to go rogue.
>His actions amused fellow soldiers, but commanders accused him of lacking professionalism.
>A Rifles source said: ‘We’d spent two weeks sitting in front of laptops pretending we were in a really hostile urban environment – I’d challenge anyone to take it seriously for that long. All this was taking place in an office at our headquarters, when we’d rather be doing real-life soldiering outside in the fresh air. But there’s less of that sort of exercise these days because the Army has committed to Unit-based Virtual Training.
>‘We were supposed to imagine we were travelling in armoured vehicles through a really hostile built-up area; one of the lads just lost his rag and “opened fire” as it were, killing the soldier next to him. He then drove down the street deliberately smashing into cars. It’s safe to say the officers in our battalion did not find it as funny as we did.’
>After Exercise Urban Strike, the unnamed Rifleman received a dressing down from top brass and was formally charged with disobeying orders. His punishment was to spend a weekend carrying out guard duties at the 3 Rifles base at Redford Barracks in the Scottish capital.
>A Ministry of Defence spokesperson said last night: ‘We take the training of our service personnel very seriously and anyone who is disruptive to this training will receive disciplinary action. Virtual reality training programmes are able to deliver greater flexible training and replicate complex scenarios allowing for rapid experimentation, development of tactics and ability to test new vehicles in multiple environments.’
a0a9c3 No.661341
>>661336
Are they trying to recruit the call of duty crowd with this?
c9da50 No.661345
>>661341
More like the Arma RP autism crowd.
26e679 No.661346
>>661343
I thought the mutt meme was because of the 56% meme and also the fact that White Americans are a mosh pot of different European ethnicities.
Also the article is from the UK.
c1fc64 No.661347
>reprimanding a soldier because he'd rather do real training rather than sitting on his ass playing shitty arma clones
The lad would be better off joining some PMC in africa or syria. Modern western militaries are the most boring thing ever. He joined looking for an important job and exciting life style and all he got was worthless mundane tasks and video games
a98a6a No.661349
>>661336
>You will never be paid to teamkill and grief.
>Your brothers in arms will never buy you a beer and laugh at how you fragged them in the sim.
>Why live?
f95cfd No.661352
>>661349
seems like now is the time for it bong, your country needs you
>>661347
maybe so but good luck getting in a pmc now when there are nearly two straight decades worth of combat vets who can also apply
7da0be No.661356
>>661346
Ironically it came from a polish mudshark and her halfbreed spawn
bf3136 No.661358
When I was a platoon leader I had to go to the training center to do this bullshit. Took the civilian contractors 40 minutes to get everything running, and when we finally get going and I'm trying to get the soldiers into some semblance of battle drill 1A, a PV2 just fucking shot the bad guys before we even started moving.
"Sir, do we still have to assault the objective? They're dead."
Waste of fucking money.
ea484b No.661360
71d2da No.661362
ca159c No.661365
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>>661358
Wait it's just vidya???
Because the few infantry simulators I've seen it's stuff with laser guns like vid related (7:00) (saw vehicles ones too).
Can I get my OFP/Arma time validated? Because I'm sure I've clocked enough of them to be OF-5 by now. Hell if my CMANO hours count I'm up for stars.
9b6ebf No.661369
>>661365
We play ArmA 3 at our unit. It'd never replace field training for infantry, but for POGs like us it's a step up from the old method of sitting a big circle of chairs and talking our way through some dumb scenario.
c99893 No.661370
>>661336
>you can get banned from the british army for toxic behaviour
Just like in my vidya gaems. Is this the future of cyberwarfare? Russian hackers getting into British "virtual battlefield experiences" and shitting all over the trainees to destroy their morale, maybe give them PTSD by calling them niggerfaggots a lot?
>"plz stop killing us, you're ruining the immersion of the training."
<"нет"
4efb6f No.661375
>>661370
Imagine the looks on the Brits when they experience their first
RUSH B, CYKA
09a5e8 No.661377
>>661336
The onion and the Babylon Bee are going to be run out of business if the “real” news companies keep coming out with articles like this
6be714 No.661388
>>661336
>His punishment was to spend a weekend carrying out guard duties at the 3 Rifles base at Redford Barracks in the Scottish capital.
>punishing a guy that wanted to do actual soldiering with an actual soldiering job
Bravo Army, you can't even do punishments right.
fc8a79 No.661392
>>661377
Naw, they'll switch to faux normal articles.
f4538c No.661403
Wow, and they say military isn't just vidya game!
821e61 No.661405
>>661388
Bet that guy has better planning skills than most generals.
2bee21 No.661410
>>661369
Please tell me you play against other soldiers and not against the AI.
If not, here's a quick combat tip: Hadjis usually don't need 5 seconds to decide if you're an enemy or not.
dbfa57 No.661413
>>661336
>Playing shooters with a controller
88c8f9 No.661418
>>661410
It's airborne reconnaissance scenarios, usually one or two guys playing Zeus for the stuff that needs to go smoothly, and then the rest are very poorly scripted AI waypoints. The biggest problem is you can't surprise somebody in Arma unless you build your own map from the ground up; they found that out in the first session when about 1/5 of the room would start talking over layouts of the Zargabad villages with the other 4/5 as soon as we were directed to move.
7bde36 No.661440
Why is this news? Shit like VBS has been used for years and they need to punish they guy that played it like battlefield to maintain any sense of order.
They really should break up the use of it because I could see every day for 3 weeks wearing the guys down until shit like this happens but that is an internal army matter.
ca159c No.661448
>>661418
>usually one or two guys playing Zeus for the stuff that needs to go smoothly
I have in my Arma team the original creators of both the VTS and DUWS mods (AKA all of Zeus shit before bohemia got their fat asses around to actually release something like that). Who the fuck do you think play tested them?
I tell you, I've lead so many actions in that game if even 1% translate into real life skills I might as well be Napoleon.
(To be clear: I really don't think that's the case. I guess it beat powerpoints but I have more than doubts on the usefulness of such "training").
c99893 No.661453
Wouldn't it make more sense to train with Paintball against another squad rather than play games against some shitty AI?
ca159c No.661465
>>661453
Paintball cost money.
With sticks and saying bang would be more useful.
I guess if you're teaching approaches and what not it beats a powerpoint and just sitting in a class but two or three weeks of doing just that seems excessive.
6485a9 No.661470
>>661336
Team Gamerfood goes official
c99893 No.661473
>>661336
Come to think of it, I don't understand the command's response. The soldier just created a sudden turncoat scenario, something they do need to train for if they play to serve in shitholes like Afghanistan, where there's a very real danger of the "friendly" troop being secretly Taliban. Sure, maybe they were training for something else, but a turncoat scenario is supposed to be unexpected and sudden.
328d32 No.661482
313cd0 No.661485
>>661336
The "sim" wasn't designed to train them tactics at all. It was actually an exercise meant to train them to put up with the Army bullshit and make-work that will be their life for years to come. The point of the exercise was for him to build the ability to pretend it wasn't a waste of time, and he failed.
a71896 No.661489
>there are American anons here that don't play Antistasi in ARMA with their militias in preparation for gun confiscation
It doesn't replace range time or field exersices, but it does show how hard it is when tanks and CAS get involved. Its also a very good shitposting experience.
80c8d1 No.661492
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>>661336
> His punishment was to spend a weekend carrying out guard duties at the 3 Rifles base at Redford Barracks in the Scottish capial.
That's not a punishment.
>>661345
>tfw joined army to do armashit
>tfw it turned out to be more fun than armashit when you are out, but even more boring than armashit when not
>>661413
Most faggots are too incompetent to use M&KB properly, so handing them a controller with very simple cawadooty controls makes it easier to get basics grunts to be able to move without Pvt. Bill raising his hand every three seconds asking how to kneel.
>>661453
Paintball has range issues, so nothing but close quarters.
Paintball behaves very differently from real guns, so training soldiers on paintball runs the risk that they will shoot the paintball way when TIC happens.
Paintball is not as cheap as you think. It costs less than real ammo, but that that point you can just use laser training equipment and not have to deal with all the issues above.
>>661473
Simulator time is usually very limited. They got resources (PCs and licenses) for one unit and one week. During that one week the commander probably had a list of scenarios to go through. Ruining a scenario wastes maybe 10 minutes (considering it's private contractors more like one hour) to rewind and continue.
They now have to hurry to get their list done and not get shat on by their own superiors.
>>661365
Depends a lot on what training they do. It used to be lazors and vests all the time, but most armies wanted to go cheaper still. So they opted for VBS.
We got a system called AGSHP. Embed related.
>>661448
>I have in my Arma team the original creators of both the VTS and DUWS mods
doubt.jpg
>I tell you, I've lead so many actions in that game if even 1% translate into real life skills I might as well be Napoleon.
It's surprisingly close. If you know how to lead a squad well in arma you know how to do 80% IRL. The only things that you really need to learn are to stay calm, to get your voice across in LOUD and chaotic situations, and to keep a good overview without any hud elements.
eeee0c No.661495
>>661418
Well how expensive can that be?
>>661475
Oh hey it you from /animu/ who posted direct links to huffpost and nytimes, fancy seeing you here too, faggot.
>>661492
>Simulator time is usually very limited. They got resources (PCs and licenses) for one unit and one week. During that one week the commander probably had a list of scenarios to go through. Ruining a scenario wastes maybe 10 minutes (considering it's private contractors more like one hour) to rewind and continue.
I'm sure those simulators are built to be more realistic in several ways, but would it be so much worse for the purpose of such training exercises to just buy ARMA or Squad? Must be a lot sure.
80c8d1 No.661499
>>661495
>Well how expensive can that be?
VBS2 got terrain deformation and editing, so you can slap together a village quickly if you want to.
>I'm sure those simulators are built to be more realistic in several ways, but would it be so much worse for the purpose of such training exercises to just buy ARMA or Squad? Must be a lot sure.
See above. Those sims offer some features that are in-disposable for the military. Making new villages and buildings is very important. If your guys keep doing the same shit in the same villages they will not train themselves in looking for good positions for MG covering and instead focus more on the spots they figured out via trial and error or how to clear a certain building and not how to approach a building if you don't know about it's internal layout.
Also: games companies may be hesitant to sell their game to the military because they could face furious internet faggots who complain that the devs are contributing to the military industrial complex, or about grannies who complain that the kids are playing literally military grade murder sims.
>>661497
Sage is not a downboot. Back2Reddit, faggot.
1337c1 No.661501
>>661499
>le downboat
You're completely fucking retarded. I saged because I didn't want to bump the thread with a post that contributed nothing to the topic. The only Redditor here is you with your projection and your godawful syntax, the forced attempt to fit in is blatant.
80c8d1 No.661504
>>661501
Nice bait. Now fuck off and don't come back.
1337c1 No.661506
>>661504
>doesn't know what sage is
>incoherent shitposting
>y-your mad
>I-I reported you to show how mad you are and how NOT mad I am
Do you get paid by the (You) or is it a scale salary?
e87d57 No.661509
If the Troubles ever seriously start up again in the North, these soldiers are going to be worthless compared to the ones in the 70's.
ca159c No.661512
>>661492
>doubt.jpg
Why would I lie about this? Note that we largely stopped playing Arma 3 years ago now (and with Zeus there is far less a need for it anyway).
VTS was for multi and DUWS was for solo/coop, they both got made by the two more /tech/ minded guys of the group.
80c8d1 No.661513
>>661512
>Why would I lie about this?
W would people go on the internet to tell lies?
Nice shit though.
fdbaaf No.661514
>>661336
>spokesperson said
Well clearly that dumb shit hasn't played VBS.
>>661345
They were forced to play ArmA with the most boring ass scenarios or missions for two weeks. Don't you realize how fucking boring that is?
6e2755 No.661523
>>661475
>the father of anime
>Hayao Miyazaki
Literally the butt of all jokes in the anime industry.
f34c6d No.661690
>>661475
It's your country that forbade us from fighting wars as a political method and nearly took away or ability to defend our selves you Ami fuck. Shove it up your stinking arse, muttcunt. If anything South Korea is far worse, search for South Korean feminism.
1337c1 No.661704
>>661690
>Ami
>a slur used only in Marxist East Germany, originating from false Soviet propaganda campaigns used to warp the German people
>Japan flag
Alle alle auch sind frei, Spergkike.
53e390 No.661782
>>661690
South korean feminism provided.
1337c1 No.661864
>>661853
>>661854
>double posting
>pretending "Ami" isn't a Jewish badthink word, but can't argue with the historical fact of its etymology
>IP hopping
>being Spergkike
>speaking vicariously through non-cucks, unlike himself
Mein freund, vhere are your legs? Has anyone seen some legs?
a98a6a No.661948
>>661782
It still always baffles me that A) all of that shit happened, and B) people over here think it's some kind of messed up conspiracy theory when you explain it to them - even after you show them the South Korean press articles about it.
c1fc64 No.661949
>>661782
Not even nightmare goggles would let you witness something this horrible
80c8d1 No.661959
>>661864
Ami isn't a slur. It's an abbreviation. Using Ami in a negative context, such as "Scheiß Ami" or "Verdammter Ami" may be considered a slur by some, but only as much as "Scheiß Brite" or "Verdammter Franze" is.
The term has been around since a long time and has no connection to any particular group.
Now fuck off and stop shitting up the thread.
f7c6f0 No.661978
It's not UK is the only first world doing this.
12e664 No.662024
>>661509
You know what to do, Padraig.
1337c1 No.662031
>>661959
>Ami isn't a slur, goy
>it's just a derogatory term thrown at white Americans in a collectively discriminating manner
>not a slur
Fuck off with your pilpul, you Reddit spacing heeb.
4090e6 No.662051
>>661782
>korean """"men"""" just take it with the most proactive gook blogposting about it on an imageboard
they should've been ethnically cleansed instead of being given civilization.
Literally just go up to the cult hangout places and start raping them into submission.
then again, in korea average length when erect is 6cm
a1b59d No.662061
>>662031
It's a shorthand term used for ALL Americans, and only derogatory if an actual insult is added.
A black man is just as much an Ami as your granny is. And a retarded Ami is just as much a retard as a normal garden variety retard.
0c195e No.662064
>>661336
>We take service personnel playing with childrens toys very seriously
0c195e No.662072
>>662067
RISK IS NOT CHILDS PLAY NIGGER
26e679 No.662073
>>662061
It's only fair that if we have a Sperggook and a Spergkraut, we also must have a Spergami.
a1b59d No.662077
>>662072
Children toys, children games.
Real men play Kriegsspiel.
a98a6a No.662097
>>662064
>ITT we disparage a very useful, long established, and effective form of peacetime training because MUH TOYZ!
0c195e No.662098
>>662097
>tiddlywinks
>serious military operations
1ab73e No.662105
>>662098
VBS and such are actually a pretty decent way to train soldiers in scenarios that can't really be acted out in normal training on a whim. I'm curious if you would treat flight sims any different since those are games all the same, right?
55e3b3 No.662109
The soldier was pictured during the bloody tragedy
55e3b3 No.662113
Jokes aside virtual training with simulated, calculated and predetermined scenarios itself sounds unprofessional and fucking depressing to be honest. Doesn't give any proper training for alertness and improving reflexes, proper equipment use and speed like a good excercise with blanks and real guns.
Fuck this zogged world.
55e3b3 No.662115
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Theme video of the thread. Sage because of my uncontrolled autism
1ef278 No.662117
>>662113
I was listening to a bunch of deck officers talk about how if you drive though a simulator at flank speed, or at 1kt, you can bypass all the pre-arranged crossing scenarios (basically the simulator has scenarios where you have to avoid collisions by making turns).
55e3b3 No.662124
>>661523
>Caring about nip fag cartoons
4090e6 No.662129
>>662113
At least CIA niggers play tabletop RPG's about killing drug lords
0c195e No.662135
>>662129
…so they roleplay killing themselves?
a98a6a No.662136
>>662129
Is there any way to get onto these gaming groups? It's almost impossible to find a decent wargame where I live.
>>662135
They've got to have their contingency plans in place for when other arms of the US government start cracking down on their 'atypical/extraordinary budgetary supplement operations'.
4090e6 No.662138
>>662135
>>>/tg/369788
see for yourself
>>662136
Gamefinder thread on /tg/
the way things are going, someone might be an "intelligence" operative too.
4090e6 No.662141
>>662135
>>662138
Apparently you can't link that way to archived thread.
My bad.
https://8ch.net/tg/res/369788.html
a98a6a No.662142
>>662138
Am I wrong in thinking that a Glow In The Dark GM is going to put more effort into his game and keep much better notes and put more effort into continuity than the average wanker you find at pickup groups.
fbafb8 No.662143
>>662142
The manuals I see laying around at my office are more along the lines of those item/monster compendiums rather than the stacks of paperback pre-builts I saw laying around the play areas at the game stores back home. I haven't played in any of the groups, but the conversations they have Monday morning make it seem pretty average.
25c1ac No.662147
>>661704
What's the equivalent of アメ公 in English then you fucking faggot. All the shit you give everyone else and the moment you get the butt end of a joke you have to pretend it's "hurr spergook" and shit . If you're going to even attempt grilling others, get a thicker skin, you fucking gaycunt.
Sage for off topic
90c466 No.662152
>>662147
Understanding what sage is isn't "grilling", you twitter fuck, it's called not wanting the board to turn into 4chanbook normalfag horseshit. Unless you're so dishonaburu'd by miyazaki that your eyes slanted themselves shut and prevented you from checking IDs.
ca159c No.662180
>>662105
>I'm curious if you would treat flight sims any different since those are games all the same, right?
Flight (or tank) sims make sense because the operator is sitting on his ass maneuvering switches with his fingers.
Sure you don't get the actual G loads and whatnot but it's "fairly" close to the real thing.
Being an infantryman in a infantry situation isn't about sitting on your butt…
As I said the only simulators I had seen so far were convoy ones (for gunners and conductors) and some sort of interactive gun wielding scenarios.
As I said it might be better than powerpoint if you're explaining some sot of tactical movement, but playing ARMA and chalking it as training sounds incredibly unprofessional to me.
55e3b3 No.662190
>military living on simulator programs
BRITISH CHAIRFORCE
14fdf1 No.662210
They should make a reskin of Area 51 and play that.
a98a6a No.662259
>>662190
Well, I guess that's why BAE is pushing the idea that the RAF should go full drone then.