/k/ - Weapons

>>634754

>we don't need plate carriers either, therefore we can go back to hang nearly every piece of equipment on the belt.

If the military industry wasn't retarded we could just have a plate carrier thin enough just to carry the plate, and then rather than being retarded and putting all your shit and pouches on the plate carrier, just put them on belts around your waist.

>>634753

That's already been done with SAPI plates or really any plate that isn't a stand alone. Just usually it's IIIa all around instead of level II since the plates need a IIIa backer.

>>634765

I wanted them to be separate and the inner layer to be flexible, that's why i chose weaker level. That way you can also make and maintain them for cheaper as you only swap either main plate or even just one segment of it. I'm just unsure if the weight of such plate is actually worth using it, as it does cover too small of an area to be important. It would be sensible if it covered not only 2/3 of each lung but went lower to the waist and stomach and wider to the sides or even shoulders to protect all major blood vessels, but at this point it might be easier to just have a full set or proper armor instead of flak jacket.

>>634840

Not a meme for police work or urban settings, definitely a meme for 99% of military applications. You won't have many situations where crouching behind your shield is a more sound decision than lying down near natural cover.

>>634845

>Not a meme for police work or urban settings

So useful for home defence when paired with a handgun or lightweight shotgun or a Judge the weight of a few cubic meters of UHMPE would also be much less of a concern in that role.

>>634840

Gun shields are the real deal: https://www.combatreform.org/gunshield.htm The scary thing is that the writer actually has some good ideas, he is just so incredibly autistic that he can't convey them in a manner that is not extremely painful to read. And there is that whole Gavin thing, but that's an other can of worms.

>>634748

Flak jackets are nice for conventional warfare against militaries with artillery, but for goatfuckers with AKs, rifle plates make more sense becasue the flak jacket doesnt stop rifle rounds.. Plus flak jackets really suck to wear, especially in terroristy places that are hot.

Also, unpopular opinion,

>body armor is usually more of a hindrance than a good thing in unconventional warfare and shtf

>>634761

That is good for the older style of combat, but with modern mechanization, it is a bad idea. If you do not believe me, try sitting in a car with a full ALICE belt on. Then imagine you are in a cramped APC.

>>634856

Still, it would take more room to solve a problem that isnt there with modern LBE, becasue the LBE was already designed around the vehicle.

>>634858

In other words, modern LBE was designed to destroy the knees and spine of the soldier, but it's fine because you can make the vehicle sightly shorter.

>>634855

>Why yes hello you can’t simply design a new generation of ALICE gear with either nothing on the back or removable in one piece

>>634859

Forgot to mention: you could have a lot more space inside an IFV if it was designed with at least late 1970s technology in mind.

www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/cobra-ifv

>>634950

Or better yet, put there a horizontally oriented water bottle with a straw.

>>634853

>The footnotes are longer than the text

Dear God, witnessing such purified autism is just beautiful. Thanks for the link Magyarbro, that should provide a lot of reading for the next week or so.

>1st Tactical Studies Group (Airborne)'s Combat Reform Group (CRG)

How the hell do I become a part of this glorious temple to pointless obsession?

>>635122

>weight

Make the weapon lighter. E.g. use a bullpup.

>it's further away and allows shots from narrower angles to hit the soldier

Make the weapon shorter. E.g. use a bullpup.

>only possibly useful when your gun is pointed directly fucking at whoever's shooting at you, which is not really how things work

Boy armour is only useful if you are standing or kneeling with a straight back and face the enemy, which is not really how things work.

>>650672

>Boy armour

As opposed to girl armour?

>>650672

>use a bullpup

Patrician taste my friend

>>650688

>but bullpups are not lighter

They are, stuff like the SA80 are heavy, but that's just because they're shit designs in general, not because they're bullpups, if you made the SA80 in a standard configuration it would be even heavier. Just look at the MSBS for an apples to apples comparison, the bullpup variant is lighter than the standard variant.

>>650700

Why is that then? Is it because you use receiver as a stock? Does that mean that a stockless version would be lighter?

>>650702

Yeah, no weight from the stock mostly, also generally shorter hand guards and stuff since most of the barrel is under the receiver.

I think there should be a high/low mix, and the commander on the ground should decide which to use.

Low mix would just be a 5 layer Rusar uniform consisting of pants and a jacket, gloves, armored boot bottoms, and hard shell helm with a neck skirt. Purpose of the low mix is to be used in rural areas, where the main danger is from artillery shell fragments, land mines and flames. Countermeasure to guns is just taking proper cover.

High mix would include a chest rig and general full body armor on top of the low mix, also including a gun shield. To be used in areas with lots of corridors and doors to be breached, such as urban areas or breaching of bases and ships. Cover might not be possible in such areas, so heavy armor is needed.

Either way you can encourage your commanders to stay in the rural areas as much as possible to decrease costs, but in the end it has to be up to the guy at the frontline to decide what to use.