/k/ - Weapons

US troops in the UK would probably be subject to disarmament measures by the Royal Army.

If there were a right wing revolution along white identitarian lines what do you think would happen with military stationed overseas?

In a previous post someone posted statistics indicating that a significant number of military figures feared white nationalists.

I wonder if there would be a Battleship Potemkin-esque situation with with an aircraft carrier stationed in the third world or if the military is now so deracinated, diversified, and feminized that such a thing would not happen.

>>627568

>So they'd declare war on the EU?

It was more a thought exercise that if there were a protracted civil war in the U.S. or a coup by the waning white majority whether military stationed overseas would disband/support govt forces against whites/get involved in international conflict where they are stationed

>>627568

HMs forces in the UK are stronger than the US presence here. They would stand down if they valued their lives. However if they put up a fight it would be bloody.

>>627560

Leafland would collapse considering nearly all their trade and everything comes out of America. Almost the entirety of their industry died in the 80's.

>Would the Nips side with the rebels

Don't be spoiling my future plans.

I think the better question would be what would it take for such an event to occur

Very likely see the Balkanization of North America and to an extent, Europe. Pretty much everyone who is in a position to take advantage of such chaos would take advantage. West will essentially collapse in on itself and it's pretty much overdue.

>>627585

You can thank ethnic nationalism for that

>>627560

Israel will just buddy up with China or Russia as their big protector. More than likely China. Which means we will flush a rightful vengeance down upon them.

>>627560

>Would Israel crash itself with no survivors via Samson option?

Yes, without injection of money and greatest golem destroyingmocratizing tyrannical countries who picked their borders next to israel, jews are as good as gassed.

>>627586

>People usually like similar people rather than foreigners

Shocking, I know.

>>627586

>blaming the symptom and not the cause

There's no ethnic nationalism or racism if you don't force different races together.

>What would happen to the International Coalition in Syria+Iraq?

Who knows

>Would American bases in Europe get seized.com or would NATO cooperate if the local American commanders promised to fight against racism, transphobia and misogyny?

Most likely the later, the problem is there will probably be two or maybe even three governments made from the current government demanding to be recognized as the legitimate US.

>What would happen to all the Durkas in the middle east without fresh shipments of TOWs, let alone American troops to shoot at in Afghanistan?

They're fucked, they might get rides from NATO but they also might just get killed by the muzzies.

>Would the Nips side with the rebels, and would they try to invade Korea before the Norks do?

Unlikely to both, chances are that South Korea capitulates to the Norks and the Korean Peninsula is united, don't know how it'd work but I doubt the South Korean government would be willing to wage another war while the US is collapsing.

>Would Hawaii secede?

Not sure how many native Hawaiins are there nor how strong the Hawaiin identity is, if it's anything like Texas they would secede eventually.

>Would Chinks try to start shit with Taiwan?

I'd be very surprised if they didn't.

>Would Australia try to seize US territories in Oceania?

Probably not

>Would Poos shit themselves?

They already are.

>Would Israel crash itself with no survivors via Samson option?

Depends if Iran threatens them with WMDs of any sorts.

>Would Putin try to remove the EU by force in the event he sides with the American rebels and the Brussels cabal does not?

Russian involvement in the Second ACW would be akin to American involvement in the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. Mostly supplies and maybe some Special Forces teaching friendly militias some guerrilla tactics.

>Would Leafland grab Alaska through diplomatic means, proving that not killing your enemies makes you win?

Unlikely, they'd just give whatever the center left government that's asking for legitimacy relief and supplies.

It's very hard to predict what'd happen in a Civil War, because depending on the severity, it might be just some skirmishes here and there while the rest of the country is locked down via martial law (in the event there's NO schism in the government) to complete fucking chaos that's damn near impossible to imagine. My bet would be the former happens. In the event there's a governmental schism, or something akin to what happen in the first Civil War with two separate nations existing, it could very well lead to World War 3, a very confusing and extremely deadly World War 3.

>>627586

Well if (((you))) didn't force all the races to live with each other and reinforce that the reason niggers are in jail are because of evil whitey this wouldn't have happened Schlomo.

>>627560

>30,000-40,000

>It's not an occupation to make sure that you won't misbehave, goy…

>>627565

>Turkey without direct support from USA can't do jackshit against the Greek military

>Turkey without direct support from USA can't do jackshit against the Greek military

We might outgun the rest of the Balkans together but Turkey outguns us two to one and have 7 times our population, it's not wise to underestimate them even if they are lowly subhumans.

>>627560

All retarded shitposting aside;

>In the very likely event of a second civil war occurring all across the continental US what events could likely transpire beyond the mainland's Coasts?

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>What would happen to the International Coalition in Syria+Iraq?

Russia. Russia would maintain control over the region, as US Forces enacted previous established contingency operations and move back to CENTCOM bases, most likely those located in Djibouti and Kuwait/Saudi Arabia/Jordon.

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>Would American bases in Europe get seized.com or would NATO cooperate if the local American commanders promised to fight against racism, transphobia and misogyny?

As much as everyone likes to mentally hypothesis about possible outcomes, the reality is; Bases across EUCOM would assume FPCON Charlie, those bases hosting nukes apart of of the NSA would assume FPCON Charlie with specific readiness postures from FPCON Delta taken by the NST guarding the WSV.

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>What would happen to all the Durkas in the middle east without fresh shipments of TOWs, let alone American troops to shoot at in Afghanistan?

They would continue unabated, using whatever means they had before US shipments, mostly Soviet-era hardware and munitions, some Chinese, and even some obscure Nork stuff.

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>Would the Nips side with the rebels, and would they try to invade Korea before the Norks do?

No. Japan has it's own plate of shit to deal with. It'd be more likely with the US being involved domestically, we'd see the Norks move and China move to expand it's region projection of power.

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>Would Hawaii secede?

No.

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>Would Chinks try to start shit with Taiwan?

Yes.

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>Would Australia try to seize US territories in Oceania?

No.

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>Would Poos shit themselves?

Always.

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>Would Israel crash itself with no survivors via Samson option?

No.

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>Would Putin try to remove the EU by force in the event he sides with the American rebels and the Brussels cabal does not?

No.

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>Would Leafland grab Alaska through diplomatic means, proving that not killing your enemies makes you win?

No.

I know everyone likes to pitch the idea of a fractured nation with vying regional governments bickering for control, but the US Government has a contingency for everything, including internal civil upheaval. Continuity of Government Operations takes into account the possibility of "aggressors" moving to pose as legitimate government authority, which is why the National Command Authority exists, it's why TACAMO exists, and it's why the line of succession exists. It's also why messaging formats like EAM are encrypted, why the NCA maintains go-codes, ect…

Only in a /k/ommando pipedream does NATO scratch it's head not knowing what to do, as the US wars with itself. The US effects much around the globe, but our existence is only key to a handful and even during an all out nuclear exchange, so long as some semblance of the US Gov is functioning, the US will have a means to exercise force projection on some level.

To give you some idea of how deep CoG runs. If a staff officer with a direct subordinate to concur, are assumed to be to only governing authority of the US Government left, after sufficient effort has been made to contact command, any command with the US command structure, then they maintain the authority to exercise any means of force they deem necessary under their command, to further the interests of the United States, to include the use of nuclear weapons. This is reinforced by the two-man rule, with all effort s made to ensure two "men" are apart of the decision making process.

>>627560

>Would Australia try to seize US territories in Oceania?

No.

>>627560

>all those troops in Germany and Japan

Someone should perhaps inform the US military that World War 2 is over.

>>627658

Both of those places are excellent staging points for invasions of our cold war enemies

>>627566

VPN user, you should really do your research. There's no such organisation in the UK. There's the Royal Navy and the Royal Airforce - but no Royal Army.

China immediately makes a move in South East Asia.

Nobody could stop them.

>>627672

Last I checked Charlie you punted them in the teeth and liberated Cambodia at the same time. I doubt they're any more competent.

>>627673

Pure numbers, they have the largest military in the world by pure numbers and a fuckton of production capabilities. All their tech is from yesteryear but they have basically cloned everything good from the Soviets. Sure, they might just be nothing but T-72 clones, but they can produce three times as many T-72 clones as anyone else.

>>627673

That was the 70s, this is now.

Vietnam hasn't modernized its army since the 70s, tank force is still primarily T-64.

>>627658

Enemy nations need to be occupied. United Nation still defines former Axis, or axis affiliated nations as "enemy nations". Any United Nation Security Council member-state can declare war against any of those nations just for shits and giggles completely legally.

>>627705

Kikepedia says that any UN member can attack them without permission from the Security Council. Which means enemy nations can attack other enemy nations without a casus belli. Therefore we could take back Transylvania if we had the army for it.

>>627656

>To give you some idea of how deep CoG runs. If a staff officer with a direct subordinate to concur, are assumed to be to only governing authority of the US Government left, after sufficient effort has been made to contact command, any command with the US command structure, then they maintain the authority to exercise any means of force they deem necessary under their command, to further the interests of the United States, to include the use of nuclear weapons. This is reinforced by the two-man rule, with all effort s made to ensure two "men" are apart of the decision making process.

What if US communications infrastructure gets fractured to the point, say, the West coast loses all viable means to contact the East coast in addition to being duped by propaganda saying Washington got nuked and the President's dead even though he isn't and thus hastily appoint an interim ruling council of the "US" with radically different ideas on how to proceed compared to the internationally recognized government in the East?

If the President and most high-ranking officials in Washington did get killed, resulting in an eastern council being formed whose government would the legitimate one?

Could there be infighting and splintering among the various branches of the US military even without such a thing happening?

>>627658

You know that USA has the control over German media and education until 2099 in exchange for all of german gold as collateral and guarantee of german "independence"?

>>627711

Will the US even exist in 2099?

>>627707

>What if US communications infrastructure gets fractured to the point, say, the West coast loses all viable means to contact the East coast in addition to being duped by propaganda saying Washington got nuked and the President's dead even though he isn't and thus hastily appoint an interim ruling council of the "US" with radically different ideas on how to proceed compared to the internationally recognized government in the East?

I had a detailed explanation typed out, but my browser decide it was a good time to crash. So, in summary, it's "possible" but highly improbable. US Mil & Gov comm infrastructure is EXTREMELY robust ranging from highly survivable post-nuke ELF/SHF on-board any aircraft apart of the WABNCP, to EHF/UHF SATCOM for daily use by WHCA and DSN, down to HF/UHF/VHF nets operated by every single gov agency and the Mil.

Continuity of Government Operations were designed specifically with nukes in mind. Even the slightest whiff of increased tensions with the minute potential in release of nukes, the President and other in the line of succession can be whisked away at a monuments notice to any number of hardened locations like PEOC, Site R, Mount Weather, Peters Mountain, NORAD, ect… even AF1 is designed to a haven during a nuclear exchange, hardened against EMP, the fuselage designed to widthstand extreme over-pressure, the crew is trained in how to handle turbulence caused by a detonation, ect… any aircraft under TACAMO have the same capabilities and crew training, even in a post-detonation environment, aircraft under the WABNCP have a means to communication with our sub fleet, even if the entirety of COMSUBLANT and COMSUBPAC are wiped off the Earth.

>If the President and most high-ranking officials in Washington did get killed, resulting in an eastern council being formed whose government would the legitimate one?

The line of succession is very long, post-9/11 the FVRA was invoked requiring all executive departments to have an established line of succession in place should a catastrophic attack occur and neutralize any or all of the initial line of succession, to give an idea of how expansive that is, the DoD alone has 53 positions in it's order of succession and that's a single executive department out of 15 that exist. Not all of these people are based in DC, many head up department divisions in other locations, so the

Now, nothing is stopping a group from forming a form of government if they think the US Gov is neutralize or incapacitated, with the exception that said provisional government has no access to the comm infrastructure of the gov, it has no access or idea what established callsigns are, nor does it have any idea what encryption or other security measures are in place to ensure protection for external interference with CoG operations.

>Could there be infighting and splintering among the various branches of the US military even without such a thing happening?

This has always been a possibility, but a minute one. Scuttlebutt has always existed, but if attacks against government occurred without context, they would be framed as terror attacks against legitimate authority. Politics don't happen in a vacuum. Unlike the common scenario discussed here on /k/ with droves of cops and troops coming to take guns, a direct firearm confiscation wouldn't be an overnight action that suddenly materializes legions of loyal cops and troops to carry out the orders. It would be a executive order or a bill passed into law, meaning it would be in the federal register, it'd be all over the news for weeks as the media peacocked about how finally something would be done about rampant gun violence, there would be an established timeline of the establishment said law, then the pieces would be moved to enact enforcement edicts, something the majority of military personnel aren't going to agree with, cops would be a smattering of those in big cities moving to enforce the edicts, with small town departments not wanting to risk their necks, thus either not enforcing or rebelling. This is why the slow boil approach will be the route taken, in a generations time guns will be vilified wholly as tools of criminals, terrorists, and any other boogie many the left can associate them with, thus putting social and political pressure on those few gun owners left.

As much as I hate the NRA and boomers, they're the only thing that's managed to keep the Left at bay for the past 50 years, albeit by compromising and piece-mealing away our rights, but the cucked millennials and zoomers are the generations brainwashed into thinking the only thing preventing a utopia of equality and free stuff is whites and their damned guns…and as the boomers die off, the small percentage of patriot and nationalistic millennials will have their votes nullified by the droves of cucked millennials and zoomers, as well as the ever growing imported brown horde.

>>627560

Federalism is solidified; there would just be a lot of dead commies, faggots, kikes, and blacks/hispanics, but not much else.

(((Europe))) would try to Rhodesia us and then after a few years when their economies begin to collapse because we refuse to protect their shipping in retaliation and their aerospace industries die, then they would change their tune. Chinks would have to pay more for their chink apothecary supplies because the global almond supply would be disrupted. Not much else would happen.

>>627763

But wouldn't it make sense for the guys on the lower end of the succession list to have access to at least some degree of military contingency equipment&protocols in case the guys at the top get killed?

They do, when the occasion requires it. Compartmentalization is a large part of the US Governments system of controlling classified information and hardware. I think where your having trouble understanding is the magnitude of operations, this isn't a case of a room full of personnel who've been given a select position to control everything if everyone else dies, there is a system in place with rings of security and control. For example, if CIA Section Chief Richard E. Head miraculously becomes leader of the free world because every superior above him was dead, he doesn't suddenly hold all the keys to the kingdom, he has a select few keys that allow him access to specific places and to select information. If at some point it becomes necessary for him to gain access to more control functions or information, then he'll be granted that by way of protocol, which involves a system of others around him. No single person gains control during a crisis, even if a coup or mutiny happened, that's the point of Continuity of Government, it's designed to maintain as many functional facets of "legitimate" government as possible in as rigid and adherent to the original structure of government as possible. Even when it the last to American's left on Earth and a nuke, the Two Man Rule requires both agree to utilize the weapon, otherwise PAL design will prevent a single person from launching or detonating it.

>What if one of the "legitimate" governments manages to squeeze out a deal with Russia/some other bad goy country for getting medical and food supplies delivered to starving civilians, only for the other "legitimate" government ordering them to shut it down lest they be branded as traitors following the reestablishment of communications.

This is assuming communications across all nets has been severed, which would require some serious damage to US mainland, like pockmarked with nuke craters kind of damage, but to play Devil's Advocate; if a splinter faction or otherwise illicitly independently operating arm of the US Government contacted a foreign power to workout a means of assistance, any other still functioning section of government will know immediately, as all communication modes interoperate on the same nets between departments and agencies, all communications means are also monitored, both for security and to seek out other surviving departments/agencies/people. I also can't foresee anyone in government caring enough about the burn, blind, or dying Average Joe to contact a foreign power…those in government as it is don't care enough to reinstitute a program like the Civil Defense in the 1960's to stockpile rations and building shelters when we have the means to do it right now, there is no way they're going to risk occupation or invasion by a foreign power by inviting them to feed the peons eking out an existence out in the open.

>There's also the possibility of there being defectors among the line of succession handing over encrypted comms access to rebels.

There is a very good possibility of that occurring, but without knowing the SOI or CEOI of that net that hardware is of little value. SOI and CEOI change daily, assets may also be utilizing further encryption methods outside of signals encryption, like an OTP or a cypher with requires a key that is also changed daily.

>But the most important question remains: Would USN ships get seized for warcrimes against civilian vessels?

Unlikely, US naval vessels would maintain their formations within their group, operating under combat conditions and engaging any vessels not previous established for contact with the group over an established comms net like UHF FHSS. Just because things have fallen apart domestically, doesn't mean the military falls apart too, they have continuity and contingency operations plans of their own. Outside of Russia or China…maybe the UK, no nation-state has the means to engage a US naval surface group, which would most likely take to open water and establish their air and subsurface screening nets the second went to shit.

>>627566

> US troops in the UK would probably be subject to disarmament measures by the Royal Army.

Don't worry.

After we kick bong ass, we'll be relieving you of your muslim and jew plague.

We'll free the English people.

>>627806

>Outside of Russia or China…maybe the UK, no nation-state has the means to engage a US naval surface group

You forgot Israel.

>Just because things have fallen apart domestically, doesn't mean the military falls apart too

Doubt.jpg, those Navy vessels would also need to resupply at some port every now and then.

Would they be willing to drag the US/its remnant into a war against some far off bad goy nation for refusing to let them dock at a nearby port?

>>627832

>You forgot Israel.

I was talking more on raw naval surface power capabilities. The Israeli Navy nowhere near being capable of taking on a US Surface Group.

>Doubt.jpg, those Navy vessels would also need to resupply at some port every now and then.\

Not at ports, at preposition stock locations, what is known as PM3. Military Sealift Command maintains sixteen preposition stock ships globally, including rations and fuel, through the MPF and OPDS, in the event the US military needs to deploy globally. Then there is also more land-based propositioned stock apart of the APS and WRS, located at secure bases on the coasts of allied nations all over the globe including one at Diego Garcia. Then there are the myriad of black sites not publicly disclosed.

>Would they be willing to drag the US/its remnant into a war against some far off bad goy nation for refusing to let them dock at a nearby port?

I mean, sure a nation can refuse to allow refueling, but realistically only a handful of nations are going to refuse to assist a US surface group, of course the surface group could maintain itself near neutral or friendly nations willing to provide fuel and berthing. An DDG can steam 4400nm before needing to refuel and a surface group isn't going to move without knowing where it's next refuel point is going to be. It's also not outside the realm a surface group could overtake tankers and commandeer their fuel stores or force civil vessels to relinquish a portion of their fuel for use, IIRC nearly all naval surface combat vessels have fueling lines fitting with standard industrial connectors and can be retrofitted to accommodate older connector if needed.

>>627560

In the event of the US of McDonalds fucking itself up our country's plan is to to pack up and swap locations with Australia. Nobody would notice the difference anyway.

>>627888

>It's also not outside the realm a surface group could overtake tankers and commandeer their fuel stores or force civil vessels to relinquish a portion of their fuel for use, IIRC nearly all naval surface combat vessels have fueling lines fitting with standard industrial connectors and can be retrofitted to accommodate older connector if needed.

I don't think that would end well with the current state of the USN.

>realistically only a handful of nations are going to refuse to assist a US surface group

Due to the current burger nuclear deterrent, the world (((economy))) and the various CIA proxies and international pro-burger treaties+alliances scattered around the globe.

What reason would these "allied" countries have to uphold their word when Wall Street turns into an early Weimar Republic warzone with the rest of the US being in various stages of self-shoah?

>>627922

>The talk of lines of succession and the military/government not falling apart during a civil war is laughable.

What's so laughable? During the Civil War, the Union maintained the majority of it's military and industrial infrastructure. Even with the loss of the agro-industrial South, we saw how well the Union fared without a supply of Southern cotton, sugar, tobacco, and other crops.

Nothing is stopping you from thinking everything will fault to shit, including CoG, but don't be foolish enough to think you'll get to play baron-robber and lord over hordes of followers. Chances are, if shit is bad enough CoG and military contingency falls through, 95% of this board is dead as well.

>Yugoslavia showed on a small scale what would happen if a civil war broke out.

Yugoslavia wasn't just a Civil War fought over political ideologies. It was a series of territorial ethno-seperatist insurgencies fought in a slew of former Soviet Republics…not quite the same as a politically instigated rebellion against one of the most advanced and well armed governments in modern history.

>The military is nothing without the US economy backing it up.

No, the Military Industrial Complex is nothing without the economy, you're conflating the MIC with the Military, while often times indistinguishable, there is a difference and during a SHTF scaerio that difference becomes stark. A civil war is just another OPORD in a filing cabinet of full them, you think a civil war would fuck shit up…what you do think a nuclear exchange would do? FFS the DoD has an entire manual series and ASI course on civil disturbance operations, with Civil Affairs units that specialize in building rapport and establishing relationships in completely obliterated territories with otherwise neutral groups. With slim exception, most folk are going to fall under that neutral umbrella, because they won't see a collapse as the fault of government, it will be the fault of whatever rebel faction instigated a rebellion against what is viewed by the general public as an otherwise benevolent government.

>ACW2 will likely crash the global economy, which does include the US economy as well.

No doubt about that, doesn't mean the world stops turning. It just means what use to be simple becomes extremely difficult and what was difficult becomes impossible.

>If a government isn't paying its troops, then what incentive do the troops have to work for the government?

Food, shelter, safety, security, organization, structure, ect… things most people will be without, because the majority of society relies on corporate and government welfare to subsist. You also act as if the government wouldn't institute military script to substitute green-backs like it has in the past.

>>627925

>I don't think that would end well with the current state of the USN.

This isn't the first time the DoD has had it's ranks filled to the brim with incompetence. Most of the Cold War force was drafted guys who dropped acid, played DnD, and for the most part couldn't be assed to preform menial tasks with any level of expertise of skill. Tommy Franks book covers the abyssal state of EUCOM forces during the era. Very quickly the ranks would see a thinning of the more incompetent individuals, as they either learned or became dead at the hands of their fellow seamen.

>Due to the current burger nuclear deterrent, the world (((economy))) and the various CIA proxies and international pro-burger treaties+alliances scattered around the globe.

So long as force projection is maintained, much of that stays in place. Nuclear deterrence doesn't take a holiday because of some civil unrest in the mainland.

>What reason would these "allied" countries have to uphold their word when Wall Street turns into an early Weimar Republic warzone with the rest of the US being in various stages of self-shoah?

None realistically, other than risking making themselves an enemy. In which case, the surface group could just take what it wants by force or just shitcan the entire port so it serves nothing to anyone.

>>627566

>zombie royalists rising from their graves and disarming the bloody yanks

I'm ok with this.

>>627806

>Outside of Russia or China…maybe the UK

What about the frogs? I'd have thought their naval capacity is about on par with the RN, at least until the two new carriers and up and actually have fucking planes.

>>627689

Vietnam didn't win those wars through tech, you won through guerrilla tactics. Despite writing the Art of War, the Chinese don't seem to grasp the concept of tactics.

>>627964

Its laughable because the government expects people to work for free. Tell me, when was the last time the US military had a force wide war game where its members were not paid for more than 2 months, stocks of food were rationed, and communication outside of CoC (talking to family as an example) was made artificially difficult to the point that happened maybe once every three months? The closest thing would be the crews on boomers, but even their families get a paycheck, health insurance and other benefits.

>but don't be foolish enough to think you'll get to play baron-robber and lord over hordes of followers

Oh I understand that perfectly. Just tell the brass at the Pentagon that.

>It was a series of territorial ethno-seperatist insurgencies fought

That's what ACW2 would be. Politics is largely ethnic in this country.

>what you do think a nuclear exchange would do

Nuclear exchange is foreign threat. And I doubt the USG is prepared for an actual nuclear war either. CoC might be maintained, but it'll be like Hitler in his bunker. Commanding phantom armies that don't exist anymore. Domestic disturbance on ACW2 scales are a whole different animal.

>DoD has an entire manual series and ASI course on civil disturbance operations

I'm assuming getting paid and not losing your life savings is a part of the course.

>because they won't see a collapse as the fault of government

They will see the collapse as the fault of whoever doesn't pay them or give them basic needs. FDIC can't ensure everyone's deposits, and most people will have their life savings wiped out, their checking accounts worthless (if the banks aren't on permanent holiday) and their home values obliterated. People are going to be upset at every faction, because every faction had a role in destroying their society. The economy touches everyone. There is no neutral party.

>Food, shelter, safety, security, organization, structure, ect

That can all be obtained independently of DC. If the US treasury doesn't pay its people, somebody else will or they'll do whatever the fuck they want. What's stopping Col. Sanders from just taking his battalion and capturing a county and its resources for the fun of it? Shit, what's stopping Pfc. Retard and Sgt. Shitstain from taking supplies and leaving in a stolen truck? A court martial? By who? As of two months ago, DC is in a different country, the brassfags in charge of their army group are squabbling with other brassfags and their new financiers about control of food stocks, and you haven't been paid in 1 month and the last time you talked to your family they were complaining about running out of food, how the power barely stays on and militias, police and gangs having shootouts on the street in front of their house.

>You also act as if the government wouldn't institute military script to substitute green-backs like it has in the past.

I can do my job and get shot at by my neighbors for $500 a month, equivalent to pre-collapse money, or my squaddies and I can sell these 200 M4s and AT rockets in the supply room for $2k a piece in gold/silver and have enough money to leave the country tonight with my family to South America, buy a decent sized piece of land and be taken care of financially for the rest of my life.

>>627560

>Would Australia try to seize US territories in Oceania?

I think they are going to do more than just that. There is bunches of micronationalistic groups in Australia that want to conquer the pacific islands. The democracy probably will be gone because of lack of the public confidence in politicans.

>>627983

this

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>>627710

the sad thing is I am actually english. you all knew what I meant.

>>627970

<In which case, the surface group could just take what it wants by force or just shitcan the entire port so it serves nothing to anyone.

>Admiral Shaniqua Laquan needs fuel and gibs for her CVG operating in SEAsian waters

>Singaporean authorities however have denied docking permissions due to an incident in which a Passenger ship was sunk by a Tomahawk after being mistaken for a Neoconfederate ship

>Raycists, we'll show them waht happens when u mess with US

>She sends out a squadron of F-35B and Cs to force the enemy to surrender

>none of them come within 10 miles of the target before getting shrekt by Interceptors, SAMs and overheating avionics

>laughing_slant-eyed_fishermen.jpg

>Shaniqua resorts to missile artillery

>escorting DDGs fire Tomahawks at Singapore

>instead of hitting port facilities they go straight for residential areas, killing thousands of civilians

>all of SEA allies with the Confederates and declares war on the US

>Shaniqua's CVG is deprived of its missile destroyers and cruisers over the following weeks by a mixture of confederate submarines, land-based anti-ship missiles, air assaults, Vietnamese cargo ships and intoxicated commanding officers

>eventually only the battered USS Zoey Quinn supper carrier remains, drifting at sea after incurring several hits by torpedoes with its crew dying of AIDS, Scurvy, lack of tampons and starvation

>it gets raided for gibs by ISIS pirates butthurt about the lack of supplies from the CIA

>The last thing Shaniqua sees as she gets beheaded on the flight deck is Abu Hajaar II. dropping a cigarette butt near a half-dissassembled Sea Sparrow warhead

>>628001

>Its laughable because the government expects people to work for free.

You're really stuck on the idea that green-backs are the only way someone can be compensated.

>where its members were not paid for more than 2 months

I see what you're insinuating, but it's nonsensical. When the economy collapses, pay is going to be worthless paper cloth, at which point it won't matter how long you've worked without pay, so long as your basic needs are being met. Motivation at that point becomes retaining a means of defense, nourishment, and shelter.

>stocks of food were rationed

Military personnel not riding a desk have more combined experience than any one group in CONUS on what it's like to live on rationed food and when the economy collapses that ration food is going to be one of the only sources of readily available food provided in exchange for manpower.

>communication outside of CoC (talking to family as an example) was made artificially difficult to the point that happened maybe once every three months?

In a situation where the economy has collapsed, communication outside of CoG is going to be non-existent, with minimal exception to those with access to amateur radio. As it stands, personnel deployed OCONUS have limited contact with family.

>The closest thing would be the crews on boomers, but even their families get a paycheck, health insurance and other benefits.

Active Duty families would still see those benefits, why do you think the military maintains it's own facilities, with it's own support infrastructure? And do you really think health insurance is going to be that big of concern in a situation involving economic collapse?

>Oh I understand that perfectly. Just tell the brass at the Pentagon that.

The brass in the Pentagon are the people with the means to play robber-baron, as they have their hordes place your head on a pike.

>That's what ACW2 would be. Politics is largely ethnic in this country.

Only in the pipedreams of /pol/lacks would it be some kind of racial cleansing on the level of Yugoslavia. Politics in this country is largely economic.

>Nuclear exchange is foreign threat.

The origin of the threat is moot.

>And I doubt the USG is prepared for an actual nuclear war either.

You're free to intellectually invest in whatever you'd like.

>CoC might be maintained, but it'll be like Hitler in his bunker. Commanding phantom armies that don't exist anymore.

Which is the exact opposite of what CoG is…

>Domestic disturbance on ACW2 scales are a whole different animal.

On the tactical level, yes. We're talking CoG, not a micro-level situation of Sgt. Shitstain dealing with hordes of starving rioters.

>I'm assuming getting paid and not losing your life savings is a part of the course.

Pay and a lifesaving that would be worthless…

>They will see the collapse as the fault of whoever doesn't pay them or give them basic needs. FDIC can't ensure everyone's deposits, and most people will have their life savings wiped out, their checking accounts worthless (if the banks aren't on permanent holiday) and their home values obliterated. People are going to be upset at every faction, because every faction had a role in destroying their society. The economy touches everyone. There is no neutral party.

Except hunger and vulnerability will dictate which faction they are upset with the least, if that faction is providing some level of assistance.

>That can all be obtained independently of DC.

Only if you do it yourself, before things fall apart.

>If the US treasury doesn't pay its people, somebody else will

Pay them in what? To purchase what? If the economy has collapsed, money has no value and expendable income is pointless.

>they'll do whatever the fuck they want.

Of course they can, they can go AWOL, taking their family to leave the relative safety of of the base their stationed on.

and livestock…yeah, ok.

>>628001

>What's stopping Col. Sanders from just taking his battalion and capturing a county and its resources for the fun of it?

Well, primarily Col. Sanders being smarter than the average /k/ommando, understanding the overarching implications of what's happening on both a micro and macro scale, and knowing a battalion-sized unit is incapable of capturing and holding an area the size of the standard US county without external support from support units like fires, rotary, ISR, logistics and intel. He also knows a county has no resources to offer and holding such a large area is pointless and that having his Civil Affairs detachment broker a deal with local farmers for crops in exchange for something on the SWEAT-MSO/ASCOPE model under the umbrella of military civil support operations.

>Shit, what's stopping Pfc. Retard and Sgt. Shitstain from taking supplies and leaving in a stolen truck? A court martial? By who?

An Article 31? No, chances are they'd be shot, by the MP's securing the supplies and transpo pool.

>As of two months ago, DC is in a different country, the brassfags in charge of their army group are squabbling with other brassfags and their new financiers about control of food stocks

Ok…and? Business as usual.

>and you haven't been paid in 1 month

So you can run out and buy…a loaf of bread? I really would like to know what you think people are buying with worthless money?

>and the last time you talked to your family they were complaining about running out of food, how the power barely stays on and militias, police and gangs having shootouts on the street in front of their house.

This is only if you a Guardsman or a Reservist…why the fuck you would show up to a muster when shit has hit the fan, I have no idea, other than you must be an idiot.

>I can do my job and get shot at by my neighbors for $500 a month equivalent to pre-collapse money

No, you can do your job, knowing your family is secure and being fed behind the perimeter of an installation.

>or my squaddies and I can sell these 200 M4s and AT rockets in the supply room for $2k a piece in gold/silver and have enough money to leave the country tonight with my family to South America, buy a decent sized piece of land and be taken care of financially for the rest of my life.

So let me get this straight. You'd trade useful hardware in exchange for precious metals that no longer hold a monetary value, because their dollar value dried up the week after the collapse occured, with the barter system having replaced our monetary system with ammunition and food being at the top of every person's list. So that you can leave the country, with the intent to move to another continent that is host to nations who've experienced severe economic turmoil when the global economy was still stable and by this point are most likely in a proverbial Dark Age in social and societal terms. I suppose you're just going to walk into some hacienda, drop a few Krugerrand on the mesa and expect the landholder to take you seriously, thinking he's just going to take a handful of now useless coins in exchange for the land he's been using the to grow his own crops

>>628075

>precious metals that no longer hold a (((monetary))) value

>what are electrical contacts+cables

>>628093

I dunno kraut, I don't see any use in trading for a metal that doesn't oxidize, has a lot of technological and medical applications, the supply of which is limited.

No idea who would find that useful or desirable :^)

>>628093

You'd have a point if more than 0.00005% of the populace understood gold and silver have actual value outside of being a monetary commodity. Most of the world can barely grasp the concept that goods don't magically appear on store shelves, let alone travel over an extremely fragile and complex system which can fail at the drop of a hat…Seriously through my Teutonic friend, outside of that slim group of people, who do you think is going to want gold or silver? If they have the knowledge and means to use it in any of it's applicable technological and medical uses, what's stopping them from just shooting you in the face and taking it? Of course, this is assuming that swallow pool of folks had to foresight to cover their more pressing bases before seeking out gold or silver for use in coating contacts to prevent corrosion or use it to create wound care salves, which begs the question of why they didn't just build gold/silver stocks before SHTF? It's more like gold and silver would have more value much further on into a long-term rolling scenario once the die-offs have occurred, the roving bands have scratched out their territories and those hardy and smart enough to survive had began working toward returning to some level of normalcy and civilization.

>>628107

>economy gets fugd

>monetary value of gold and silver tanks

Good point, but

>inland gold mines are unreliable due to bombed out bridges, roads and railway lines in addition to being partially occupied by opposing factions

>Hospitals, Armies and Army hospitals need supplies

>what do to keep factories running?

>might as well give richfag Anon and his family plane tickets to Argentina in exchange for several dozen gold ingots

>>627922

This, US goes into civil war and basically the entire global economy unravels.

>>628195

>bombed out bridges, roads and railway lines

>Not understanding what PM3, APS, and WRS is, thinking gold isn't refined or

>Not understanding government allocation of industrial, liking during the Civil and Second World Wars.

>With every of transport hub destoryed due to conflict, miraculously, airlines and airports will still be functioning, let alone government allowing anyone to leave…rather than just enacting the 1968 Vaccine Act, claiming every existing airport/port-of-entry is US military property under a National Security or Homeland Security Presidential Directive, utilizing NORAD/NORTHCOM IADS assets to enforce it or just completely shutting down all US-based ADS-B/SSR sites under FAA authority.

>>628364

>turning the US into a giant prison akin to the GDR/North Korea

>shooting down civilian airliners carrying refugees

This is a 100% foolproof plan with no negative consequences for the US military at all, it's also unthinkable for criminal organizations to smuggle people out of the country during times of war, such a thing has never happened and will never happen.

>>628441

It doesn't require turning the US into a giant prison, my Teutonic friend; Within the first month of an economic collapse the nation would see mass unorganized migration as those in urban areas fan out in search for food and other necessities. In that same time frame will begin the first "die off", primarily individual dependent on medical assistance like Type-1 diabetics, those with an oxygen dependence like OCPD, ect… as they run dry of insulin, deplete their supply of bottled oxygen, ect… as the populations of city centers begin to diminish due to crime, starvation, migration, ect… making controlling those city centers and their infrastructure that much easier.

It's global economic meltdown, no one is going to care if an airliner or airliners are blown out of the sky, let alone even know about it, unless they were a witness or had access to a battery operated or crank-powered radio, because electrical power will be non-existent due to those opposing factions that moved to cripple infrastructure, but even if you did have a radio what's stopping the government from claiming it was a plane full of domestic terrorists that cause the collapse and destroyed critical infrastructure? An aircraft can also be force landed without being engaged with a weapons system. But, playing along…who's going to do something about it? The starving and disorganized public? Some barely functional, bubba militia who's membership was majorly alphabet soup types? Russia? China? They'll be too busy blowing their own airliners out of the sky to give a fuck.

This is also assuming the government hasn't had the AF pockmark runs ways at airports across the country to reduce the amount of usable airports in an effort to consolidate control and access.

Sure, organized syndicates could certainly smuggle people out or they could just dome you, take your gold ingots and dump your body. Because no one is going to care and there is no law enforcement agencies or organizations left to investigate your untimely death, they're all to busy raiding or providing security for politicians/themselves. So, you could end up like those poor bastards in the tractor trailer found in Mexico City…nah, dealing with the underlings of society during a time of lawlessness, you're good fam, nothing bad is gonna happen to you.

>>627741

I think you kinda underestimate zoomers. It's their generation, not our that made great leaps rightwards.

>>628474

>Anon I can't quite follow you.

I gathered.

>You assume that the Burger line of succession would be absolutely unbreakable in an event of chaotic mass starvation and global economic collapse, that the US gov. would retain physical and ideological control over all of the US with no rebel movements or large scale military defections habbening, and that they'd just shoah all air travel to prevent some big-nosed civilians from escaping the Disunited Shithole of America via plane after trading in their gold reserves.

It's not the Line-of-Succession (LoS) that is of importance in this discussion, it's general Continuity-of-Government (CoG), Line-of-Succession is just a small part of CoG. Now, the entirety of CoG is design from the group up primarily around nuclear exchange and the US sustaining anywhere from limited to crippling sustained damage to both infrastructure and industry, with the emphasis being if government can maintain a functional and operational existence, then recovery is a possibility. Over the years, newer OPLAN have been developed, to include Mass Civil Disturbance, Economic Collapse, Rebellion, Terrorism, ect… generally the overall of each OPLAN is the same, but some key assets are changed around, like TACAMO and NAOC wouldn't have a purpose in a scenario concerning Mass Civil Disturbance or Economic Collapse.

The US Government doesn't have to maintain or even archive physical control over all of the US, it only needs to control and maintain a few key locations, with the rest of the country simply falling in line because of lack in communications, basic infrastructure, ect… and a extreme reliance on authority for direction and assistance (Why do you think in regional disaster events like Hurricane Katrina or the California Camp Fire you have people sitting around waiting for government instruction and help?)

The same applies for ideological control; even as our economy hums along, the majorly of the general public looks at the US Government as a nanny and safety net. That viewpoint will only further entrench during collapse scenario. The US Government isn't going to go out into the boonies to pass out humanitarian rations and give medical care, it's going to set up aid bases and stations in city centers, where the mass of the national population is and where people can be easily maintained, thinking there is safety in civilization, which is what everyone is taught.

In never said rebel movements wouldn't surface, you assumed that. In the beginning rebel factions would be exceedingly small, a few hundred at most. Large-scale factions wouldn't form until at minimum a year into a collapse, as most folks will hold out hope for recovery and a return for normalcy.

Military defections will happen, but not on a large-scale. Most Guard and Reserve personnel will simply refuse to muster, out of a sense of urgency of self-preservation, some will do so out of a sense of protecting their families. Active Duty personnel will see the less defections, as they and their families will be provided with rations, healthcare, and security behind the perimeter of the base they're stationed on, essentially becoming islands in the sea of death and starvation.

Air travel will collapse on it's own, it relies on the economy as much as the rest of industry. The FAA can also ground all aircraft and in the extreme the military can crater runways. The government preventing commercial air travel is as much about control of the people as it is about reducing the amount of applicable sites for organized criminal syndicates, terror factions, rebel factions, and covert foreign assets to operate aircraft out of. (When the US invades a nation, one of the first strike targets are airfield and airports, with the primary concerning be destroying runways beyond repair.)

>On top of that there'd no Russia-mediated "peace talks" between the US remnant and various Rebel groups eventually leading to some treaty barring the use of NBCs, also the US totally wouldn't see part of its Air assets defect to rebels with said rebels never recieving foreign materiel support, no one would also want to establish no-fly zones over contested areas to somewhat contain the conflict instead of triggering an unnecessary nuclear exchange.

The US wouldn't be a Kosovo or Syria, when the economy collapses, it will be global in effect. Imagine a scenario with rebel factions fighting against government, but playing out in every country in the world, because that is what will be happening. Russia won't have the resources to concern itself with supplying rebel factions in the US, it will be dealing with it's own internal and regional issues, like the Chechens, Georgia, Anti-Gov factions, rival political factions with military influence, ect…

>>628474

>Anon have you forgotten that this is the thread were we discuss the possible international fallout of a second American civil war?

The domestic events of the US will dictate the severity and depth of international fallout. Any adverse action taken by US rebel factions in a Civil War would cause an immediate collapse of the US economy and in-turn the global economy.

>It's not unfeasible to think that the US could offend the international community to the point of sanctions

To initiate and enforce actions, a nation or group of nations has to have economic power over the nation they seek to sanction and they must have the military means to follow through with threats if the actions are violated. (If you haven't notice, sanctions only work on nations if they care and if things are operating normally)

>with them no longer being in charge of international bullying what's stopping Japan, the EU, Straya, Israel etc. from putting sanctions on an US glassing its own citizens with Nuclear strikes?

It would require the combined effort of all the nations you've listed to threaten the US, either economically or militarily, even in a global collapse scenario. It's far more likely the EU would throw in with BRICS for the sake of survival (Why do you think Merkel and Macron have touted the ideal of a "European Army" so heavily?), the Grand Nippon Empire turned to ash by the Chinks who've got both economic and military means to do it (the JSDF is no match for the PLA), then once the Nips are scorched rice, the Chinks would set their sight on Stralya (The ADF is even in less of a position to take on the PLA than the JSDF is.)

Israel? Israel is going to be far too busy determining whether or not it needs to execute Jericho Option on itself as mass Arab Coalition comes steaming across the Sinai and through the Negev to fuck their shit up.

>What's to prevent them from negotiating with Rebel factions?

Nothing, but that would be for months, if not a year's time into a collapse.

>And why would Russia want to shoot its own Airliners out of the sky?

The same reason as the US. To maintain control over it's borders and airspace.

Here's how I see it happening, CoG will functional near flawlessly for the first year into a collapse, as most people will keep a flame for a return to the way life was, after the initial dies offs, seeing the government as a benevolent organization and those in lower-tiers of government seeing themselves are the appointed protectors of the American way of life.

Eventually after a year's time of seeing people dying and starving, of being made to do the menial and laborious tasks as politicians and their bureaucratic superiors lounge around, dine in splendor and laugh every night. As rebel and criminal factions grow in size into the tens of thousands, far outnumbering the remaining numbers of the US Military, with personnel defecting out of both fear and disgust. As people who've spent a year's time surrounded by th death of loved ones, eking out an existence digging through rubble and trash for food, living like an animal, and eventually joining up with others as they hear rumors of the political elite living out their days in comfort in bunkers and secure facilities. Then we'll see the complete collapse of of CoG, with a severe fracturing of the Line-of-Succession, with politicians and bureaucrats forming their own fiefdoms using loyal military and federal forces to execute their whims.

Whether I'm right or wrong, I'm going to take the government's contingency plans at face value, rather than assume things will just fall apart. If I'm right, then I know where and what to avoid. If I'm wrong, then life will be a bit easier during the collapse with one less concern to worry and dodge.

>>628661

>(((Analysts))) were predicting a complete collapse by 2016

Literally not a single economist was believing in a russcuck collapse so early. If we look at the 1992 hyperinflation there's blast of the USSR's hidden rouble inflation, production chains' extinction and low oil prices. 1998 hyperinflation had been caused by the Asian financial crisis, huge privatization failure and, again, oil prices. In 2016 they've only got low oil prices and a tad of sanctions, not nearly close to the 90's. In reality there's gonna be decades of Iran-like cold war situation until their elites get tired of all that shit. I say elites because the population is cucked so much they were even starving completely quiet in 90's and voted Eltsin for his 2nd term.

>What would happen to the International Coalition in Syria+Iraq?

It would probably implode

>Would American bases in Europe get seized.com or would NATO cooperate if the local American commanders promised to fight against racism, transphobia and misogyny?

NATO would probably either collapse, or see limited involvement in a US civil war, since it would be a shitshow of massive proportions that most would not want to get directly involved in. They in the end, would likely attempt to back the current US government, in whatever form.

>What would happen to all the Durkas in the middle east without fresh shipments of TOWs, let alone American troops to shoot at in Afghanistan?

Probably some local conflicts would erupt in the middle east/central asia in general, but to what extent would be hard to say.

>Would the Nips side with the rebels, and would they try to invade Korea before the Norks do?

I see the Japos not getting involved in anyway, since Japan is not known for it's militarism anymore. The Korean peninsula on the other I haven't the faintest.

>Would Hawaii secede?

It would probably attempt to receive as much foreign aid as possible and wait for the dust to settle.

>Would Chinks try to start shit with Taiwan?

Depends if the PRC thinks if they can get away with it in the long run, it's a toss up.

>Would Australia try to seize US territories in Oceania?

No

>Would Poos shit themselves?

They do that without any American internal conflicts.

>Would Israel crash itself with no survivors via Samson option?

If they were attacked and it was clear they couldn't win, probably.

>Would Putin try to remove the EU by force in the event he sides with the American rebels and the Brussels cabal does not?

Most likely not, though I can see them fucking with the entire situation to get as much leverage over the EU in terms of trade as humanly possible. Where as with the ACW, they'd likely back any group which benefit them in the long run. Not with direct involvement, but with material, training and other such methods.

>Would Leafland grab Alaska through diplomatic means, proving that not killing your enemies makes you win?

In a word no. Canada would probably be a humanitarian nightmare of people attempting to flee to it, while the US-Canadian border would be a hotspot for conflict between whatever factions would be involved in the American Civil War. Our economy would be fucked. And depending on how hard our Federal government fucks up, it would likely balkanize into various regional elements until order is restored.

>>628656

In the CONUS after the collapse, government control can only be immediately exerted in three areas: the areas around military bases, major cities, and loyalist communities. Bases will be by far the most important resource for the government, because they are secure and will not be subject to (major) unrest. Cities will be the second most important area, but those will be a shitshow. The average melanin enriched citizen will not stay calm and orderly during ACW2. He's going to grab his gang and make the LA riots look like a music festival. Loyalist communities will be by fall the least dangerous area, but will have little value apart from use as propaganda and drafting zones.

The issue is that, while the government will remain stable, society will not. The average American household has less than two weeks of food on hand, and rely on supermarkets and restaurants to get their next meal. What happens when those supermarkets and restaurants have no food? Violence and desperation.

Americucks wouldn't have another civil war. They would just willingly bend over and get raped by the government before getting completely replaced by shitskins.

Everyone then profits massively from the death of the americucks.

>>629794

Yeah I have to agree I think the yanks are massively overestimating the federal governments ability to retain control of the U.S. once the full knock on effect of a civil war and collpase are felt. They may control federal agencies and the military (what would be left considering the defection rate expected by the U.S.'s own speculations) but that's in no way enough to exert control when the civilian support structure that's all predicated on has gone AWOL.

>>629830

Just start spamming mutt mutt mutt in every thread again kraut, we all know you're going to.

>>627565

>Albania, Skopje and Turkey without direct support from USA can't do jackshit against the Greek military

I fucking hate turkroaches, but their army outnumbers the greek one so much they could probably win the war even barehanded

>>627741

>those damn kids will be signing away the second amendment!!!

Fuck off, nigger. I bought my first rifle at 15 three years ago and have built 3 more since. I don't intend on letting these soyslurpers get anywhere with their assault on my freedom. I'm hopped up on Halo and high fructose corn syrup, I've been hoping for civil war for the last 4 years. Step aside, grampa, it's our turn.

>>633483

Millenial was adjusted to include people born in the 80s.

What if blacks started an ethnostate in the Caribbean islands and buddied up with Cuba?

>>633496

Its called Haiti.

>>633483

*zoomer you total nigger

>>633607

>"Cotton wuz artificially grafted by the white man to oppress us

>>627560

Economically, the European Union and East Asia collapses as 20% of everybody's exports no longer have a market. Or worse.

Geopolitically, Europe continues to do whatever cucked up nonsensical bullshit thing they are doing, possibly even threatening the V4 countries with more waves of sandniggers. Russia solves its Ukrainian and Baltics problems. And laughs in Britain and France's face when they threaten retaliation.

So France and Britain request that Poland allows a massive forward deployment in Poland, while at the same time threatening them and trying to force them to take millions of shitskins. Fun times.

As far as the Middle East is concerned, if this was 2005, the Saudi's would competently reach a political accord with its neighbors, even Iran and business would proceed. But it isn't 2005 and the current Saudi administration is retarded as fuck. So Iran stops fucking around, mobilizes troops and prepares to invade Iraq and take the Shiite parts while supporting the Kurds and building a straight line to Assad. Turkey flips its shit, and they also mobilize.

My money is on Turkey over extending themselves and getting eaten alive attempting to hold the fort down. Saudi Arabia tards out even harder. And nobody fucks with Israel lest the Israelis open up instant sunshine.

Its possible that the Palestinians do a mysterious disappearing act.

Africa goes right back to hell in the after shocks.

In North America, whichever faction takes and holds the Mississippi Basin, East Coast and Gulf Coast will then immediately move to take the rest of the USA. And Canada. And a large, northenr chunk of Mexico for easier border patroling.

In the short run, it ends American power projection for 15 years. Maybe longer. In the long run, America is bigger, and more powerful. And more dangerous, because none of the victors are going to care too much about getting up tot he nonsensical bullshit of yesteryear, so if we ever care about foreign oil again and it doesnt fall under someones nuclear umbrella, its 6 carrier battlegroups and 400,000 Marines invading and putting up minefields around the oil.

>>627682

>>627689

You can only pile so many machines through the mountains before a traffic jam makes it futile. Which leaves China with the option of large scale amphibious invasions. Everywhere.

>>627614

>flush a rightful vengeance down upon them

>India

You don't flush anything, you have shitting streets for that

>>627565

For the love of fuck, please do not start a massive world war if shtf in the US. That's what it sounds like you want to do or what would ultimately result from your actions. Nothing good will come from that except nuclear annihilation for the world.

>>633685

>thinking anyone here cares about the modern world except for the porn it produces

>>633708

This but I don't want my greekbros to die tho

>>633708

>except for the porn it produces

I hope you reach weimar-tier economy again to wake up.

Everyone should, because we've already reached and surpassed the moral levels of weimar.

>>633708

>except for the porn it produces

Unless you're talking about stuff like nip vanilla doujins, stuff like teaching feeling, or monster girls. Otherwise, it's all shit.

>tfw no cute, loving girl to headpats and cook pancakes for

>>633483

My gfs younger siblings unironically do this IRL

>>633750

>My gfs younger siblings unironically do this IRL

You must exterminate them anon

>>627560

A lot of people in this thread keep equating Civil-War with the collapse of society as we know it. Although it would be a royal shitshow, a civil war between states would be over quickly do to the connected infrastructure between the states. The international consequences would depend on the warring parties, a secessionist group might ally with rivals of the U.S. such as Russia for support. If this secessionist group won while allied with Russia, it would take America out of the world stage as a super-power. I would be inclined to believe a North v. South 2.0 would be the opposite of the first time, considering hardly any manufacturing occurs in the U.S. at all and that which does occur is right up against Texas, add that to a more armed population and you have a good bid for winning. If one side completely overtakes the other, the U.S. would stay a super power, I think.

>>633767

Nah. It wouldn't have clearly defined sides.It wouldn't be red vs blue states; it would be a series right wing vs left wing within states, not across. Then it would devolve into a race war.

>>627560

Why do we have so many troops in non combat zones like Japan, italy Germany and britain

>>637137

Actually the US don't at all, and these are non-combat troops meant for logistics and force projection.

In fact, the Germany US airbase can be quickly raided, but nobody does it because nobody wants to, no matter how much the neo nazis whine about them.

>>637154

>these are non-combat troops meant for logistics and force projection

Explain the tanks

>>637455

NATO relics to protect against USSR/Russia's aggression.

>>634267

>race war ever happening in America

This is the single greatest ever fantasy in everyone's minds and it's fucking impossible to happen unless Generation Z becomes actual Generation Zyklon that is unified rather than this fucking mess of different civnat & ethnonationalist groups that spend half as much time arguing with each other as with the enemy. The groups I see doing best would be La Raza because they already exist as an unashamedly ethnonationalist organisation. Even then, most spics would not turn to this as they'd be too busy looting cities and shooting blacks and each other. We'd see half a dozen cartels pop up in every city before eventually conglomerating into a few larger cartels. These groups would infight and all their expansion efforts would prove worthless. Look at Syria with their 60+ rebel groups that did as much infighting as fighting Assad. It would be that but Mexicans instead of Arabs. La Raza would most likely secure some land for Mexico if we got a USA full government collapse, but the land would be worthless mountains and desert in the south, any actually important locations would be defended by whatever splinter group of USA government is there. Mexico wouldn't be stupid enough to attack Texas and provide a reason for the people of the US to suspend hostilities in face of a threat, ala Chinks in WW2, but that's only if they manage to keep their barely functional country together. With the world in an economic meltdown, I don't see how Mexico would stay united for longer than a few months, we'd see the unironic return of monarchies, just that they'd be cartel monarchies.

Blacks are comically incompetent in everything and them organising a front against white men is a funny idea. Gang wars would be all that would happen, in the the first few weeks we'd probably have small groups of 2-3 cars worth of blacks doing driveby shootings but these people would just be killed off. Cities like Detroit and New York would become inhospitable due to drugs & crime, whereas cities that are of importance to running the government would be maintained by the American Military and basically turn into that generic dictatorship you always see in media where police and military serve as judge, jury & executioner. This would be after the population drops to sustainable levels but it wouldn't be through culling, rather people would starve or just leave. Blacks really have no future no matter how the USA goes because Mexicans hate them and they actively turn the only people that support them, cucked whites, against them. Even if their is no collapse, they will eventually be relegated back into second class citizens by spics, who can organise enough to understand that government is a thing that exists.

>>634267

>>637645

The largest enemy to white nationalists in the US post-collapse would be other whites. This is those who remain in government or other groups vying for survival. Americans fall into the category of Whites but American Whites aren't like European Whites who can sub-divide themselves into Anglo, German, Irish, Franc, Spaniard, Swede, Polish, Czech, Italian, Ruski. The identity of White-American is too fucking big & too spread out to effectively manage post-collapse. Whites, like others, want to win, but they are better at it. The whole idea that pol has of a glorious revolution led by a single leader is childish at best because Hitler came into power because the Weimar Republic was a functional state, he got elected into office. Furthermore, the US is too diverse to have a "clean" civil war like the Spanish or the Chinese post WW2, "clean" as in you have clear sides. You just simply won't be able to have everything fit in 2 camps. Even groups that already organise like god forbid TRS would splinter because they're built off being against the left and so they have all the flavours of Nationalist; from Anarcho- to -Bolshevik. Maybe I just don't like them but I don't see how people who live off internet podcasts would become power-players. Civnat groups wouldn't ally with Ethnonationalist groups either because there won't be a need for them to. Manpower won't be in short supply even if we lose half the population, there's 300 million people in America and we'll start struggling to feed communities over several hundred thousand. Food will be the primary resource for bargaining. Ideologies will stop being important as you'll be busy worrying about the next harvest or a bunch of niggers riding in instead of commies stealing the election. The only way we'd get a hardcore fascist revolution in the USA is with a communist revolution first, but commies in post current year are incompetent at everything so good luck on that. Nowhere in the world did we get fascism without communism first. That's why we got some much fascism around when there was still a big bad Soviet Union sitting in the East, since at heart, it's born as a military, economic & cultural response to communism. Part of this is also why the right is now finally gaining strength. The left is pushing too far too fast and when told to slow down and push the dildo slower by conservatives, they only push faster. Whites would split into different groups based on geography. Why would you take order from Washington if you live in California? The longer the ACW2 would last, the more support the government would lose as we'd have politicians ascending through war torn cities saying they'd fix the here and now, and not that they should listen to someone half way across the nation. In the end, a white group would win, simply because they are incomparably better than their opponents, but I don't know which white group. The best lands to live would be the Central North. I don't know what Americans call it but it's the flat plain from the Eastern Mountains to the Great Lakes. Lots of farmland and low population density. This area wouldn't splinter off initially either, whereas they may sooner or later. They would remain loyal to the US government for some time. The worst areas would be those with large populations of Mexicans and Blacks because those people are violent.

>>634267

>>637646

In Europe we'd have an entirely different situation where Ethnonationalists may actually organise enough to gain power because European countries are limited and it's easy enough to ascertain if you are a foreigner or not, even if you have the same skin colour. National consciousness and identity is still very strong in all European countries. Saying that Britain would fucking starve to death because it's got 60 Million people on a tiny island and all they grow is cows & sheep, it would probably fracture into several muslim states as police have already established no-go zones in cities like Birmingham, London, Blackpool and Manchester and these 95%+ muslim areas would get fucking scorch-earthed. People hate these fucks and they only get by because of police protection, and guess what? America collapse = global financial meltdown = London is worthless because suddenly stocks aren't important. London would go from being 17% of the economy to 2% in one day and the government would bankrupt for real this time. With a starving country and not getting paid, why would the police work anymore. People want their heads on spikes as much as the muslims afterall. The countries least by hit by the collapse of the US would probably be the baltic states, there small enough to where they won't worry about balkanizing, still have large agriculture production for their population size and they don't have much to lose. Ukraine, Belarus, Hungary & Poland also would probably be well off thanks to low-population density, large farmlands & lots of flat grounds for growing. Czechs and Slovakia are too mountainous with too high populations for the amount of food they can produce. Balkans would have Yugoslav wars 2: Electric Boogaloo thanks to Nato having bigger fish to fry than some slavs, and that's if Nato survives a US collapse. France would probably get it's 6th republic as Macron is already unpopular and people want his head on a pike. Germany would get cleaned of immigrants as people don't like them but I don't see it fracturing. The whole Bavaria independence meme remains a meme. Don't know much about Italy, Scandis or Iberians though.

Fuck the max post size is tiny

>>637647

Europe should clearly be split along ethnic lines + get rid of muzzies, gipsies and jews. And then we could finally go to colonize space.

I'll add this regarding the farming and crop production: since most grain planting stock is purchased from Monsanto or some other huge company, and said grains are hybridized, they are worthless for replanting. Our family farm hasn't kept grain bins for decades because of this. Each planting season, planting stock for rice, wheat, and soybeans must be bought from one of the big seed companies. Essentially, you'll get one planting season and that is it if a collapse were to happen. You'll also need to make sure you've got enough fuel for the combines, tractors, etc. Since most grain is exported, you'd likely have a nice surplus if it was all being consumed domestically. This is assuming you'd be able to pull off any kind of decent harvest with modern farming methods to begin with. I also forgot to mention that in our farming area, the irrigation pumps normally run on diesel and fields have gotten so huge, it's basically impossible to rely on rain for adequate water. I'm sure other areas with more predictable weather would fare much better.

>>641955

Don't organic farms have viable seed stock? Not that this would feed the nation, but they would help keep nearby communities fed and strong.

>>637645

>it's fucking impossible to happen unless Generation Z becomes actual Generation Zyklon that is unified rather than this fucking mess of different civnat & ethnonationalist groups that spend half as much time arguing with each other as with the enemy.

Bad take. There were many different leftist groups in Russia during the time of the revolution who had sectarian conflicts before the revolution, same with left wing groups in Spain and Right wing groups in Germany, Italy, and again Spain. A little bit of sectarianism won't do shit. You act like the European right is unified anymore than the American right.

>>627560

If a serious civil war actually happened in the US, as in serious enough to tank US economy, you would see the world split in influence between Russia and China. Not because of their armies, but because Russia's market has been more or less isolated from the US and EU one due to sanctions and because China is trading with literally everyone and thus has alternatives – they would be the only serious powers that wouldn't have their economies utterly shit themselves. Rest of the world would either start sucking their dick in exchange for help (help they could only afford to give to a few small countries at most) or would descend into a series of civil wars itself as the state declares devastating austerity measures in order to try preventing a total collapse of public services, which (alongside goods shortages) would be unpopular enough to topple it.

The reason for the economy collapse wouldn't even be the shockwaves from the US which, albeit severe, wouldn't be enough to actually destroy an economy – europe would simply find new trading partners, such as Russia. The real cause of the fall would be the fall of fiat currency – US is where most of the world's capital lies, along with most stocks, and the dollar is the base of worldwide economy (save for a few select countries which abandoned it). If the dollar falls, almost all currencies fall and your bank notes will suddenly be worth no more than monopoly money – after all, the fiat is not really backed by anything but promises and speculation.

>>627586

>Fuck Cardinals for not wanting to be forced to mix with Blue Jays.

>one race, the bird race

>>627711

sauce?

>>628058

>the sad thing is I am actually english. you all knew what I meant.

isn't an excuse to act retarded lmao. doesnt help your argument gayboy.

>>627586

Merimutt strikes again! One race the huwhite race!

>>642051

Geheimer Staatvertrag.

Very unlikely to exist as speculated. But in princip it is already here. Nato bases, CIA FOBs and headquarter, mutt nigger soldiers and mutt propaganda and Holohoax rememberance, and our favorite, the Atlantik Brücke.