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There's no discharge in the war!

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24b766  No.615330

I am looking for information and discussion as it relates to the selection of materials for the home production of artillery pieces of calibers 75mm and below. I find my lust for guns turning toward ever larger specimens. No longer able to find satisfaction in .50 BMG I am seeking to go bigger. I could drop the $10k and get an Anzio Ironworks 20mm, but I'm exploring my options. WWI-era light artillery (pic very much related) piques my interest greatly.

Actual period pieces are out of my price range, generally going for $45k or more. I seek to design and build my own. I've settled on a horizontal sliding breech block as a simple and robust solution to the mechanism. I am still looking over older recoil mitigation mechanisms to come up with a simplified design, but that is a part I can figure out later since it isn't entirely necessary to the function of the gun.

In terms of caliber I am still deciding. One of the factors in deciding is the availability of casings. I don't have a large enough lathe to turn casings (this will be doubly important later) so must use something off the shelf or that can be modified to suit. On the low-end the 20mm Vulcan is a suitable stand in if one is building a light anti-tank gun of the early-WWII era. Not quite what I want, but it is a simpler proposition. This can be expanded to the 25mm and 30mm cartridges currently in US service and available on the civilian market. A step up is using the 37mm Hotchkiss. This round is decently common on the collectors market and load data is available as the Hotchkiss revolving cannon is still in use with several enthusiasts. The next option involves basing the design around the 40mm BOFORS which I would likely cut down to reduce case volume and remove the neck. This would allow me to simplify the chamber design. The last option, and that which is both most attractive and most difficult, is a 75mm gun. This would be the most expensive materials wise but really meets my desires for a true field gun. Casings can be had quite easily. Full size brass casings go for $25 on GunBroker, and as the cartridge has had a long service life there is plenty to use. I'm also considering producing a lighter projectile and using the short blank casings for this project. They are very cheap to the tune of $7 each or so when I find them.

My propensity to short for caliber casings stems from my desire to reduce operating pressures and maximum range. Smokeless powders of the proper size for use in artillery is nearly impossible to find in the open market so I am looking to load whatever I make with black powder. The exception is the 20mm through 30mm cartridges. Surplus 20mm powder is available and would likely be suitable for load development in most any of them. The 37mm Hotchkiss did have black powder loads during its service life so that's another advantage for it. By using black powder I hope to lessen the materials requirements by lowering pressure in the barrel. I'm hoping I can take the 75mm short blank casings, stuff them full of Fg, and seat a ten or so pound hunk of lead on top and blow it out the (smoothbore, rifling such a thing is beyond the capabilities of my equipment) barrel.

That's the background, here's the question. What the hell do I make the barrel from, and how should I go about it? My first thought was 4140, which isn't a bad thought. 4150 would of course also be acceptable. The problem here is that I do not have access to a lathe large enough to bore round stock out for this project, and I can not find true seamless tubing of the proper dimensions for the 75mm barrel. True seamless is a necessity as welded tube can not be trusted not to blow if I was loading for smokeless. If I'm thinking of working with blackpowder though, would not I be able to get away with less stringent materials? The Austro-Hungarians successfully fielded a bronze barreled cannon firing smokeless ammunition pre-WWI. There were several century's worth of black powder cannons using bronze, brass, and cast iron barrels. My short 75mm would be about 800 cubic centimeters not counting the portion of the case taken up by the projectile. Although not quite true, it is often taken than 1 grain of water is equal to 1 grain of black powder. It's close enough to work with. This leads us to 800 cubic cm of space = 800 mL of water = 800 grams of water = about 12,000 grains of BP or over 1.7 pounds. The 12 pounder Napoleon of the US Civil War fired a 12 pound (who would have guessed) round ball using 2.5 pounds of powder from a bronze barrel and did it with gusto. Modern reproductions of these cannons often use a cast iron barrel with a steel liner. I feel like I may be severely overestimating the requirements of this project. The only real difference between my project and a muzzle loading cannon is which end I'm stuffing the black powder in.

24b766  No.615331

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So, as it boils down, what should I be looking for then? Do I need to keep up my quest to find seamless 4140 tubing with an ID of 75mm and a wall thickness of 1/2", or can I get away with a lesser grade of steel? What would be your recommendations? Often artillery has multiple layers of metal with the additional layers being pressed and shrink fitted on. I imagine this would allow me to achieve the desired dimension while using cheaper, thinner steel tubing. This is why the chamber end of your breech loaders is thicker than the muzzle end. Chamber has higher pressures, and rather than have the whole barrel thick and heavy you can just press an extra layer over the breech to strengthen it. I do have at my disposal a US Model 1902 3" gun to take measurements from. This has a nickel-steel barrel. My price constraint is $1000 for a six foot length of steel.

I of course plan on registering this as a destructive device.


83fd59  No.615343

I'd in all honestly start out with a Coehorn clone before bouncing off to actual cannons given there are kits out there for civil war era muzzleloaders.


24b766  No.615360

>>615343

You've got the wheels turning. Full size artillery is just going to be too much for me, but smaller pieces are certainly in the realm. Coehorns are certainly affordable, but I just don't know if I find them that interesting. Kind of occupies the same space as bowling ball mortars and other silly things in my mind. Something like the M1841 mountain howitzer would be interesting, or if I want to keep it in the breechloading realm the M1875 breech loader is much simpler than my knock-off FK96.


30f519  No.615392

Have you considered scaling something down to ~4 bore and making a punt gun?

Anyway, if you do happen to dig up the drawings for a cannon breech ring and mechanism, be sure to share with the rest of us.


24b766  No.615393

File: f809fd0cca16c74⋯.pdf (12.42 MB, TME9-369A_Germ88.pdf)

Third time trying to get this to post don't know what's up. Information concerning the Flak88.


83fd59  No.615404

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>>615360

Remember if its a muzzleloaded BP piece it isn't considered a DD. Anyway if you can find a piece of steel tubing with 2" - 3" walls you might be able to jerry rig something provided you know how to weld and plug one end correctly.




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