/k/ - Weapons

He wasn't a Jewish Khazar, he was a Hungarian Hun…. which is still Asiatic, but different tribe.

I swear if rommel was in charge, or even himmler or gobbels, we'd all be sprechen zie deutch now. But the German people wanted Hitler, and they got him in spades.

>>592372

>we'd all be sprechen zie deutch now

No. Like almost every war it was a question of 'when' the eventual loser would lose rather than 'if'. The only way that Germany could have 'won' is if they could have gotten France, the USA, and the British Empire on board in a war with the Soviets.

>/k/ doesn't know history - the repost

Shall I dump my collection?

>>592375

>some jews took german names to hide among the populace

>therefore if someone has a german name it must mean hes jewish

The absolute state of 4/pol/

>>592376

>Be confronted with immanent massive invasion by the soviets

Never happened…

>>592378

Or if they consolidated their power base in Africa and Europe before opening hostilities with USA, Russia and the small island like Rommel actually wanted to do.

>>592384

>neva happen!

Shut up chang.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_offensive_plans_controversy

>>592384

>The absolute state of 4/pol/

>Holocaust didn’t happen

>Hitler invaded white lands and killed more white people than Jews

>please Ignore the leadership of the Nazi party being full of Jews

Where did I hear this before?

>>592384

>>Be confronted with immanent massive invasion by the soviets

>Never happened…

Are you retarded, or just a pensioner soviet who despite USSR not existing still shills for it?

First invasion was scheduled at 1920, but we far right groups blocked a peaceful reunion between bolsheviks and frankfurt school.

>>592387

Did you actually read the article you posted?

>>592384

>Never happened

I guess Eastern Poland just invaded itself then.

>>592376

>be faced with Soviet invasion

>expect Britain to have your back

>invade or annex multiple countries that are not the Soviet Union

>cooperate with the USSR to invade a country whose independence is being guaranteed by the country you expect to back you against the USSR

>"It's not like we wanted to invade, they made us. All our propaganda about wanting to take that land was just a joke, I promise."

>get mad that Britain no longer has your back

>Hitler Ordered a two front War with Russia against his generals advice

The ruskies were planning to do it either way. Might as well throw the first punch.

A real fucking stupid decision of his was refusing to replace the Stahlhelm with something better, like the bowl-esque M1956 helmet design his R&D had developed (and with significantly better results in deflecting bullets/shrapnel, diffusing head silhouette, preventing echoing in the ears, allowing soldiers to raise their heads further, etc.) because "it represents the german struggle" or some dumb shit like that.

>>592401

>A fucking BR knows better history than the majority of /k/

What timeline is this? I want to go back

>>592405

>>A fucking BR knows better history than the majority of /k/

>the majority of /k/ is 11 other posters in this thread

Anon, you're fucking retarded for a couple of reasons

>>592409

This isn't the first thread about WWII and won't be the last either. The majority here are braindead when it comes to history. Either cherry-picking certain events or straight-up repeating bullshit from History Channel and other kike 'experts'

>>592411

>This isn't the first thread about WWII and won't be the last either. The majority here are braindead when it comes to history. Either cherry-picking certain events or straight-up repeating bullshit from History Channel and other kike 'experts'.

Yep. Plus jewish shilling.

>>592411

Prove to us you're not a kike first, faggot.

>>592413

>you'll never be this asspained your precious Hitler didn't even try to kill all the kikes

hilarious

What the fuck is going on in this thread

>>592425

The Japan problem is a tough one though, since that nonsense started so much earlier than it got going in the West.

Hitler might have been able to keep Britain on his side even after Czechoslovakia, but even if he had done things right at home, Japan would already be deep into China.

>>592435

Wehraboos and Soviet apologists

>>592437

>filename

I'm positively sure that in 10 years burgers will say that Belgians, Sardinians and Manchurians are all Slavs.

>>592405

The internet has been a better teacher than my corrupt government's subverted education system.

How's Cyprus doing, by the way? :^)

>>592425

Western Front was a done deal long before the war began. Churchill's been pushing for it since at least 1936 because he and his (((cohorts))) didn't like the Germans getting rid of private banks in their territory. Hell, Britain in general wanted Germany gone since before WWI when they realized the krauts managed to make a bigger and better navy than theirs.

Eastern Front on the other hand, was largely orchestrated by Bolshevik jews (which made 80% of their party's elite) and people like Valadimir Jabotinsky and Ilya Ehrenburg (Stalin's Jewish propagandists for genocide) were already pressing the Soviet Union and jews everywhere to make Germany an enemy since 1934. You have no idea how much control they had over the USSR. Not to mention the whole clusterfuck that happened in northern Poland prior to Hitler's invasion that arguably puts him in the right for making the first move.

In short, Germany was already surrounded before even Hitler could realize it, and it went beyond mere logistics. The Brits, Frenchies and Ruskies were already talking deals to team up against Germany when he took power.

This might be getting a bit on the /pol/ side of things and there's a lot more factors to cover but this goes way further back and way, way further down.

Didn't help them much that their overdesigned tanks drank fuel like a Bavarian chugs beer and had their transmissions explode all the time.

If Germany didn't send over Lenin, we wouldn't be in this much of a mess.

>>592401

>The ruskies were planning to do it either way

USSR and Stalin after Finnish fiasco had refreshing message of their military been colossus with legs of clay. They didn't wanted war now, they wanted it in SOME future. After their program of rearmament would provided them perceived DECISIVE advantage. They were in the Cold War with Germany. Do you know thing about Cold War? It can last for decades and Russians never felt superior enough to actually invade Europe despite their 100000 tanks. But Hitler invasion took their worries of been not strong enough out of from equation.

Fuck off /leftypol/

Siding with the allies was a huge mistake, and Pastafags are to blame for that. Hitler practically begged the faggot Mussolini to not invade us, but the little bitch did anyway and the then-Nationalist Greek government did the obvious thing - accept war with them.

Had these retards just let Hitler do his thing we wouldn't have to fight against Europe's last hope. It truly is sickening that we lost men for the sake of protecting kikes and their money.

>>592447

I think Lenin is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills Romanovs and doesn't afraid of anything.

>>592444

>Western Front was a done deal long before the war began.

But again, they need cassus belli. Even if Churchill was pushing for it since 1936 And I don't believe he was at the time, he was still praising Chamberlains decisions then, there was still no declaration of war until 1939 because until Poland they didn't have a good excuse. Sure, they would have found an excuse eventually, but even if the Western Front is a "done deal," the longer Hitler could have delayed it the better.

Same deal with Eastern Front, even if Stalin was planning to attack Germany at some indeterminate point in the future, Hitler could have just prepared for the offensive without provoking Stalin, and focusing on the West instead. Even if we assume that both fronts are inevitable, that doesn't mean delaying tactics aren't possible. I don't know if the germs would have won the war if they adopted these tactics, and were less retarded on the materiel side of things, but it sure as hell would have gone differently. Wehraboos just deny this because they don't want to admit their Deer Reader did anything wrong.

>>592447

If Robbespierre wasn't such a fucking retard there wouldn't be a Lenin to send over and we wouldn't be in a mess at all.

>>592371

>Hitler Ordered a two front War with Russia against his generals advice

War with the USSR was necessary to prevent them from conquering all of Europe. If Britain and France didn't declare on war on Germany for no reason in defense of faggot Poland, then it wouldn't have been a two front war.

>>592371

Hitler did nothing wrong

>>592441

>Hitler most likely thought that there was a whole faction of pro-nazi bongs close to the government who could take power in any day

He wasn't too far from the truth there. In the run up to the war the general attitude in British politics was something along the lines of 'he may be a bit crazy, but he's going to keep Stalin in check'. If he'd called for an international war against the Soviets there's a good chance that Britain would have joined him. With Germany, Britain, most of the Baltic and Eastern European states, and possibly France invading from the west, and Japan and possibly the USA invading from Kamchatka, there's a decent chance that Russia would have folded within a year (particularly as they probably wouldn't have the build up they had before Barbarossa in RL). I've no idea how that would have broken down afterwards, but it's an interesting scenario to think about.

>>592494

Again, that book proposes that it was all just smoke and mirrors to make Hitler go to war against the USSR.

>>592497

That might have made sense before the war, but Hitler would have to be pretty obtuse to genuinely think that after the bongs had already declared war on him.

Hitler was the original redditor

Hitler's bad decision-making is overrated, and obviously post-war officers sought to blame him for everything, seeing as how he couldn't defend himself. The fact remains that Germany had no way of winning this war. It was never going to happen. The best they could have hoped for was a negotiated peace, reset, and another try. Germany did not have the natural resources, population, or production ability to match the USSR and the rest of the allies, and even taking Moscow would not have ended the war. Hitler did a lot of shit wrong, but he certainly did things right where his advisers asked him to do otherwise.

>>592470

Would I be able to read 'The Decline of the West' without having read any other literature on philosophy?

>>592566

A background in Nietzsche would help for the first half, but all of the historical material (including the titular "decline of the west") should be understandable if dense. I first read it without having read any philosophy, and it was still extremely informative.

>>592570

Thanks

>>592371

>Hitler Ordered a two front War with Russia against his generals advice because Russia back-stabbed him and he had no choice than to either invade or take Russia up his ass

FTFY

>>592585

>USSR

>Russian

Oy vey

>>592649

That doesn't lack shear at all.

>>592372

>He wasn't a Jewish Khazar, he was a Hungarian Hun

No, he wasn't a Hungarian Hun, he was Australian-Austrian.

Hitler's primary opposition to the StG was the addition of a third caliber.

>>592387

>kikepedia

>>592389

>ad hominem

>>592390

>ad hominem

>>592394

>ad hominem

>>592395

>HAHAHA ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?1

>>592398

Congrats you're the first to raise a point. And the invasion of Poland was agreed upon by both GDR and USSR.

Can't wait for some retard to bring up the molotov line.

>>592611

That's right goy, it's those Russians sabotaging elections, democracy and making communisms.

(^:

>>592689

I'm still waiting for someone to address >>592498. In order for Hitler to dindu nuffin he would have had to have been an absolute retard.

>>592716

Then why did the Battle of Britain happen over a year before Operation Barbarossa? Why did the Germans immediately seize as much coastline as possible as a countermeasure against a possible landing by the bongs? The timeline of events doesn't add up and isn't in support of this theory.

>>592474

>If Britain and France didn't declare on war on Germany for no reason in defense of faggot Poland, then it wouldn't have been a two front war.

The British warned him they would do that. Hitler knew full well what he was doing. He just thought he could win. He couldn't, and I think few people knew that at the time. Hindsight is 20/20.

>>592765

Hitler's only mistake was not genociding Britain when he still had the chance. He waited too long and let them get away with too many bullshit because he truly wanted to prevent a war with them and trusted Churchill to not act like a faggot.

Unfortunately for us all, Churchill never stopped acting like a total faggot :(

>>592769

Hitler never had the chance against the British, and war had been declared before Churchill became PM. Even then, his fellow MPs were seeking an alliance with the USSR. There just was never going to be a victory for Germany once they invaded Poland.

>>592779

There really was no support for the fascist movement in the UK, as the lack of electoral results for the BUF and the Battle of Cable Street show. I think this is continue to be the case for a while in the states as well.

>>592779

>According to this theory, the battle of Bongistan was this posing, because he was led to believe that they just have to bomb Britain a bit, and then the common people will turn against the war faction, because they don't want to suffer for no reason whatsoever, and then the already strong peace party will take over and Krauts and Rosbif will be best friends forever. Of course, it didn't work like that, because there was never a real peace party, and it just gave lots and lots of ammo for an anti-German propaganda campaign, and also justified bombing German civilians

And by the same token, I don't want to dismiss an entire book without reading it. But this would require not only Hitler, but all his advisers and generals, to be beyond retarded and completely incapable of conducting even cursory intelligence. And it still doesn't explain why Germany was preparing against a possible D-Day (by seizing all the viable coastlines as soon as possible) as early as it was.

>>592783

This is the Third Reich we are speaking of, a government where the leader of a bunch of political activists, glorified bodyguards, and concentration camp personnel managed to build a second army, simply because he wanted more power himself and glory for his men. It's quite possible that the generals were sensible enough to seize the coastlines in preparation for an invasion from Britain, and Hitler personally said it's a-okay, but in his mind it was all just part of the posing, and it war really just a question of time before the Brits join him. And why would he bother explaining all of this to those old and useless Prussians in the general staff? After all, a member of the British royal house personally told the Germans that they are ready to take over, and that the people will support them. Why wouldn't they believe him? It's not like the Germans deeply penetrated the British political class, and they also didn't have any methods to properly gauge public opinion in that day and age.

>>592769

Now that I think about it, the success of the evacuation of Dunkirk boosted Britain's morale and trust in Churchill a whole lot due to the gigantic fucking mess that stirred up in the German chain of command when Hitler gave the halt order to his panzer divisions and allowing the brits to escape. That, and the Luftwaffe's ineffectiveness against tiny civilian boats. That was a big fuckup on their part.

Would the brits have capitulated had the evacuation failed?

>>592796

Hitler gave no such order. He approved a request to halt because Rundstedt was worried about the supply and flanks of his force, which was also advised by von Kluge.

>>592779

>>592787

The fact that this solely relies on 'every notable german politician was just really stupid' and 'ebil power-hungry retard' with no supplementary evidence besides speculation and 'why not' lends much more credence towards you simply taking unsupported words at face-value than it does to you actually being correct. Supply a official document that says any of this. Because Hitler and his staff had rather fucking different things to say about it, but I suppose you could of course say that it was all a ploy.

>>592801

Wrong, he did it make Churchill change his plans and accept a peace treaty

>>592820

There is no evidence of that, and Directive No. 13 directly contradicts such a notion, as it was issued after the halt, which was not initiated by Hitler himself. Not only that, but it's a pretty stupid plan to begin with. You have an easier time negotiating peace if you're winning more, not less.

>>592802

>every notable german politician was just really stupid

Germany at the time was a dictatorship, one where the generals of the army wanted to kill the dictator. If the small clique at the top acts retarded, then the whole country suffers from their retardation. Mind you, I'm not arguing about forms of government here, and I don't say that Hitler was a mouthbreathing retard, but if he really blindly trusted the Eternal Anglo, then every other notably German politican had their hands tied in this matter.

>ebil power-hungry retard

What?

>Hitler and his staff had rather fucking different things to say about it

Show us his words then, along with official documents.

>>593036

Don't doubt the mongol of wisdom, newfriend. His throat-chants only sing lyrics of truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Valkyrie

>>593017

> If the small clique at the top acts retarded

So yes, it relies on saying that Hitler, his staff, and their extended staff were all just retarded. I don't think you understand how their political system worked, it wasn't a sunday-morning-cartoon dictatorship where he slaughters anyone who speaks back to him.

>What?

< simply because he wanted more power himself and glory for his men

>Show us his words then

The burden of proof is not on me, my addled hungarian friend. Nonetheless, Anglo-Saxons are Germans and Hitler and his people specifically did not want a war killing fellows. This attitude changed when they denied all amicable agreements and pushed broadcasts raving against their lack of private banks and commercial positioning.

Here's some quotes.

>…thus ensuring the necessary protection of her own rear while she pursued the great aims of British world-policy. The traditional tendency of British diplomacy ever since the reign of Queen Elizabeth has been to employ systematically every possible means to prevent any one Power from attaining a preponderant position over the other European Powers and, if necessary, to break that preponderance by means of armed intervention

>the German nation did not represent an obvious danger for Britain as long as it lacked national unification, and because the current of public opinion in Britain—long moulded along certain lines for political purposes—could be directed into a fresh channel only by slow degrees.

>Britain looked upon Germany as a Power which was of importance commercially and politically and which, partly because of its enormous industrial development, was assuming such threatening proportions that the two countries were already contending against one another in the same sphere.

Stalag edition pages 692-694

>>593075

>I don't think you understand how their political system worked, it wasn't a sunday-morning-cartoon dictatorship where he slaughters anyone who speaks back to him.

You are the one who doesn't understand how the political system worked. His generals tried to kill him, and in retalation they were killed. Fucking Rommel was forced to commit suicide! And then there was the Night of the Long Knives! Do you honestly believe that their leadership was a sunday-morning-cartoon group of good friends discussing their plans for the future, without ever thinking about betraying the others?

<simply because he wanted more power himself and glory for his men

Indeed, that is exactly why he created the Waffen SS, despite the protests from the Wehrmacht. I've said it to illustrate that the German government of that time was full of competing people and institutions, and yes, they indeed fought for more power and glory within the system. This is how human nature works, the problem is that there was nothing to keep these rivalries in check.

>The burden of proof is not on me, my addled hungarian friend.

dips fedora :DDD

>Anglo-Saxons are Germans and Hitler and his people specifically did not want a war killing fellows

Are you retarded, or is it just the 56% genetic stock affecting your mind? The whole point of this "discussion" between the two of us is because you can't seem to believe that Germany didn't try to conquer the UK before attacking the USSR was because Hitler personally bleieved that the Brits would join him if he attacked the USSR.

>This attitude changed when they denied all amicable agreements and pushed broadcasts raving against their lack of private banks and commercial positioning.

And do you think that Hitler suddenly wanted to purge England of all life after these developments? Because it's much more likely that he chalked it up for the jews in Britain forcing them to act like this, and that the common people would gladly give back the power to Edward VIII and live in peace with Germany.

>>593083

> His generals tried to kill him, and in retalation they were killed.

You mean one general and a couple of his staff you retarded retard.

> that is exactly why he created the Waffen SS

So he, through magical charismatic powers, created a paramilitary group solely to gain power for himself? Okay buddy

> despite the protests from the Wehrmacht

The Waffen SS was created before Hitler was in power. Jesus fucking Christ, are you really this stupid or do you think shitting out enough disingenuous words will win you an argument?

>dips fedora :DDD

Provide proof for anything you have said

>was because Hitler personally bleieved that the Brits would join him if he attacked the USSR.

And I just gave you three quotes specifically predicting was the Brits would do if German industrialized again.

> it's much more likely

It does not matter what you think is likely when he himself has said nothing related to it and in fact has said things contrary

>>593102

>ff to try to kill the leader of their country, and it's not the sign of an attitude amongst certain members of the armed forces

With that logic I suppose the JFK assassination was a representation that all marines hated JFK.

>The SS was created in 1925 as an unit of bodyguards, became separate from the SA under the leadership of Himmler

Glad you understand, so what prompted you to say

< despite the protests from the Wehrmacht

When it's not even applicable.

>what did I say accorind to you

Iunno brotard, there's maybe a couple posts above where you were asserting that Hitler and his staff were retarded and thought that Britain would just fold or whatever. Funny you seem to forget all the points you had that you're definitively proven wrong on.

>>593118

>Was he killed by an active duty muhreen general

Are you doing to 'hehe disingenuous = argument winning' thing again or are you legit this dumb?

>The Wehrmacht protested against truning the Waffen SS into a proper army

Okay, and remember when you alluded to the SS being a result of Hitler forcing it because he wanted power? But it was Himmler who wanted it? Hmm.

>He had lots of different people under him

Imagine being so dumb that you can say this but time think that a general, said general's chief of staff, and a lieutenant represent the entirety of said staff. This is my point encapsulated.

>why didn't Hitler try to invade Britain before starting Operation Barbarossa in your opinion

<Comparatively pathetic German navy

<British aircraft production still highly active

<Very very few landing craft, and of those most are improvised

<A fraction of the transport ships that were available during D-Day, which still had massive logistical issues pushing into comparatively undefended territory

<Only four paratrooper divisions of which suffered heavy loses, and had no means of transport

<Britain preemptively prepared for harbor invasions and preemptively placed explosives and coal blockades.

<Lots and lots of British reserve on the island capable of effective fighting

<Britain irregular groups had already formed and were prepared for guerrilla action

<Air superiority, not supremacy. Massive AA hubs around London

<All of those combined with a lack of experience with naval invasions would result in extreme attrition and unsupportability by nature

>B-but they took THESE risks :^)))

Your retarded speculation is not supported by anything period

You have not shown a shred of evidence of proof

You have no argument or ground to stand on

>>592371

Hitler was pretty irrational towards the end of the war because he was using various drugs for his nerves like meth. Also FG42 > MP44.

>>592376

>Be confronted with immanent massive invasion by the soviets

Don't make shit up. Stalin was a fucking retard and trusted Germany blindly up until the beginning of Barbarossa. He dismissed any suggestion of invasion as conspiracy. Hitler really just wanted to rebuild the Holy Roman Empire and stop letting a country like France tickle Germany's asshole.

>>593066

Nothing we say is going to change the foreigners' minds fellow αδερφέ. Marxism has poisoned their minds and even the ones thinking they broke free from the lies, have just jumped into even more lies. "Hitler was bad at tactics" is as much of a meme as the holocaust. Many literally who generals were quick to blame him for their own incompetence.

>>593118

>why didn't Hitler try to invade Britain before starting Operation Barbarossa

So we're ignoring the Battle of Britain then?

>inb4 bombing strategic locations in the capital was just a "show of force" to bully the bongs into alliance.

>>593315

>Being this much of a hitlerboo

After the luftwaffe failed to gain air-superiority over the UK (the first step of any invasion and required by Wehrmacht doctrine) any hope of invading the UK was lost. It was a shaky enough proposition even if he had gained the air advantage needed to make sure a beachhead could be formed without being bombed to shit every 20 minutes, what argument are you even trying to make here?

>>593152

Friendly reminder that soviets did in fact attacked first. Why would they amass gigantic amounts of troops at the border while Hitler was busy elsewhere.

>>593319

>Being this much of a hitlerboo

What?

>what argument are you even trying to make here?

If you start clicking on the posts that reply to each other you will arrive here: >>592441