/k/ - Weapons

>shutter

problem I see is that expanding gasses need to do just that. Expand. throwing a shutter on a supressor would necessitate an expanding bladder as well. Might work, but would be kind of stupid.

sounds pretty smart

anything similiar to that system that has already been made?

>>589197

No, that's not the thing. I know that already.

But an example of the system that OP described, doesn't have to be firearm related. That is, a liquid injector system operated by gasses.

From that you could probably learn how to implement it on a supressor.

Some questions:

<Where does the working fluid go after firing?

<<If it's drained after every shot, how does it stay wet when shots might be separated by hours or days? How do you make sure only the gas escapes and not the freshly supplied liquid from the tank?

<<If it's not automatically drained, how do you deal with the hot, gaseous working fluid left after each shot? How do you not oversaturate the chamber? Is the operator expected to drain it every so often or does it stay there until the whole gun can be field stripped and cleaned?

<Do you keep the tank side pressurized?

<<If so, where is the pressure vessel and what pressure is it at?

<<If not, how do you utilize that small bit of gas to draw fluid from the tank?

<What happens if the tube gets caught on something and dislodges or gets split open?

<Extremely quiet suppressed pistols that don't need these support systems already exist, so how does your solution improve on existing solutions? Larger caliber, can be applied to most firearms, longer time without maintenance, longer lifetime, etc.

>>589213

>Where does the fluid go after firing

The advantage of Novec 1230 is that when it vaporizes to aborb the energy of a fire, it leaves no residue. The idea is that the atomized water or Novec would be applied per shot. The suppressor would be emptied.

The advantage of vapor over water is that it can absorb more energy faster than liquid. Hence its use as a fire suppressant. C02 could also possibly be used?

>pressure

It would have to be pressurized. I don't think the gas impulse would be enough to atomize whatever fluid is decided. I suppose the suppressor would only work as long as you had pressure. Think an underbarrel pressurized canister. Would be heavy but the goal is to get autistically quiet, not to be light. It would be an improvement over the 3-5 shot limit wet suppressors have now.

>tube gets caught

don't do that then.

>we don't need

Needs have nothing to do with it. It would be for rifles for a sustained wet suppressor. Pistols, admittedly, are pretty frikin quiet. This is for rifles, think .300 subsonic etc.

The big question for me is: IS vapor more effective than liquid at absorbing energy? Because we could just have a water replacement system if that's not the case.

>>589351

This might work, I'd be worried about the longevity of the lever and any effect it has on the bullet.

Will do further research

>>589351

The russians have some sort of piston silent grenade launcher don't they?

>>589549

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS-1_Tishina

>>589349

>Would be heavy but the goal is to get autistically quiet

Why not do something like the Russian 7.62x42 cartridges? Even a gyrojet would be worth considering. If we are going to be this autistic it should have an electric firing circuit to eliminate firing pin noise, in which case the circuit could also deposit the vapour in the suppressor.

>>589653

Crazy russians.

Interesting ideas, but you lose a lot of power in the end. The idea I think is to make a true quiet gun without losing toooo much oomf.

I just got a few books on silencers, will update as I learn how wrong I am