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There's no discharge in the war!

File: 2d829ee8b52337b⋯.webm (3.57 MB, 500x264, 125:66, nam.webm)

24da66 No.587144

Would Vietnam have ended like Panama or Grenada if we invaded the north?

72137a No.587150

Can someone explain the invasions of Panama and Grenada? Why did they happen?


5c9757 No.587155

File: fc897293cadc7c4⋯.png (962.4 KB, 1281x836, 1281:836, US military.png)

>>587144

Yes.

If by that you mean the US army would have been hilariously crushed even more than in the south.

>>587150

Grenada is when the US military decided to see if they could still lose a war when totally unopposed. They failed and somehow managed to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, against despite seriously aggressive palm trees.

Panama is just the CIA getting rid of loose ends in their drug trafficking business.


91b196 No.587158

>>587155

>the French

>in charge of telling other countries how to fight a war


72137a No.587159

>>587155

What happened in Grenada?


24da66 No.587178

>>587159

Grenada got crushed, and a few SEALs died from drowning. A handful of Cuban "advisors" (SF and combat engineers) got killed by SEALs


5c9757 No.587199

>>587158

>The burger.

>Hasn't won a war alone since it exists.

>Not even against Canada.

>Only war that it managed to win was a civil war.

>The wrong side won.

>Think bullying the retarded poor kids is war.

>Only does it by near bankrupting itself.

>Still manage to loses.

>Shit that Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands, France, Germany and UK used to do (and still occasionally do) for a fraction of the cost and immense profits.

>Even Italy wasn't that bad at it.

>>587159

Grenada is a /k/ meme by that point.

The US sent pretty much the entirety of it's special farces supported by a Marine expeditionary brigade against a bunch of prison guards and campus security…

And they almost had a total wipe of said special forces.

Seal Team 6 drowned.

Delta farce decided it was fun to sent light skinned helos land in front of fortified MG positions (by Somalia they still hadn't figure out it was a bad idea).

Another seal team ended up doing previous pic.

Rangers kept getting lost.

Rangers kept crashing.

And then the Navy and the marines showed up.

The Navy A-7 managed to do three bomb runs before the marines telling them to stop.

One hit a Marine HQ, one hit an hospital one hit an empty AA nest.

On the third day of the invasion (of an island 1/2 the size of NYC) they finally decided to assault the """army""" barracks.

The marines artillery missed.

Not the barracks. The island.

More helicopter rushed in.

More helicopters crashed.

More marines died.

Barracks were long empty.

The US ended up with 125 casualties and 9 helicopters lost (at least as special forces are classified), nearly all of it self-inflicted, in either blue on blue, completely retarded planning (let's insert a long range swimming team in a storm) and abysmally bad intel (the rangers kept getting into firefights with locals. As in the normal semi-criminal locals of a Caribbean island. Because they were looking for a university campus… and they just couldn't find it. When they finally found it, after a firefight with a couple of campus guards, the students had to explain to them there wasn't only one of them but three. As in literally US military intelligence didn't know where the school with """hostages""" were, nor even that it wasn't one school),

All in all maybe 5 guys got legit shot by what might be constructed as an enemy and one helicopter was lost to hostile fire (literally parking it in front of a MG nest).

Then the army quickly came up with a story of "cuban special forces" because there was a bunch of cuban slaves, sorry "socialists", workers building some socialist goodwill shit, even though cuban military advisors had all diplomatic visas and stayed in their embassy during the whole thing (but are still listed as "captured" when they weren't).


91b196 No.587205

>>587199

>America goes to war

>a few mishaps happen like in all conflicts

>at the end of the day, we wipe the floor with the enemy as usual

>meanwhile, France has no military whatsoever

I repeat my previous statement.


24da66 No.587211

>>587199

>125 casualities

You mean 19?


24da66 No.587214

>>587199

>On the third day of the invasion (of an island 1/2 the size of NYC) they finally decided to assault the """army""" barracks.

>The marines artillery missed.

>Not the barracks. The island.

That was the 75th rangers


91f13d No.587215

Is this a joke? Even ignoring the millions strong peasant read guard and all their home field advantage/tunnels/traps…. there were a million red chinese waiting for us to do that. Our guys would have been slaughtered.

Situation wasn't like today when China and America masturbate each other.


d10447 No.587218

>>587211

A "casualty" is anything that takes a soldier out of the field. Deaths during action are a subset of total casualties.


b0d1cd No.587224

File: 8112ff4d98856af⋯.webm (133.13 KB, 320x240, 4:3, oh look at that.webm)

>>587144

Vietnam would have been won if US read CIA didn't fund the Viet Minh in the first place and simply let Frogs deal with it without interference.

>>587158

Considering France has fought with more wars with everyone in history, won quite a fair few of them including the American Revolution for you, did the whole "We'll take on the whole world at once and kick ass while doing it!" thing before Germans tried to make two autistic attempts at it, I'd say the French are more that qualified to tell fags how to wage a war even if their record for the first half of the 20th century was sketchy.

>>587199

You forgot about the new UH-60's crashing cause the wiring literally rotted as they were tested to operate in basically temperate regions, not tropical.

>>587205

>France has no military whatsoever

webm related.


24da66 No.587234

>>587215

>there were a million red chinese waiting for us to do that. Our guys would have been slaughtered.

Didn't the Chinese get their cheeks clapped in Korea?


81c1e0 No.587238

>>587234

40% of their fighting force was axed in a breakout by some marines if I recall.


24da66 No.587241

File: b4c885c83702b9e⋯.png (2.86 MB, 1021x3235, 1021:3235, chinese jews.png)

File: 48bef7ee0bb55ba⋯.jpg (87.18 KB, 552x603, 184:201, jews in china.jpg)

>>587238

Considering the fact that the Chinese just spammed human wave attacks makes me suspicious of Mao Zedong's reputation. I think a lot of his guerrilla warfare feats can be attributed to the OSS in China


1d32b5 No.587242

File: 4fbca386ef7e33e⋯.jpg (54.45 KB, 800x556, 200:139, Centurion_tanks_and_infant….jpg)

>>587234

>>587238

>>587241

Most Chinese "victories" in Korea were mostly because the UN troops ran out of ammo and had to retreat.


fc7766 No.587243

>>587242

I get a big kick out of kids today who make fun of bayonets and say hand to hand combat is over, that it was finished before WW1. That they'll just shoot everyone before that happens.

Ask the boys in Korea how well that worked for them. Wait till there are more men then bullets, or more than you can kill before they are on top of you. The bayonet and the rifle still have their place.


81c1e0 No.587245

File: a5f8b89838c0557⋯.jpg (34.82 KB, 563x367, 563:367, capturedsvt402ip0.jpg)

>>587241

And the fact the west outright abandoned the RoC.

>>587242

No shit.

>>587243

mfw know how to bayonet

mfw people would rather be shot than ran through


b5abe3 No.587247

>>587241

Mao's main "feat" is that he managed to run away from the nationalist army while losing the majority of his men.


72137a No.587248

>>587205

>a few mishaps

yankees die God laughs


91b196 No.587257

>>587224

>did the whole "We'll take on the whole world at once and kick ass while doing it!"

… which was just as successful for them as it was for Germany.

>webm related

Sorry, I only count a military as being a "real military" if it's large enough to actually do jackshit on the world stage.

>>587248

>>>/leftypol/


72137a No.587260

File: 466b0aeced0f8f7⋯.jpg (13.61 KB, 187x244, 187:244, wbc.jpg)


ae66a9 No.587316

>>587159

Comedy gold is what happened.

Day one:

>SEALs fuck up what should have been a routine beach landing because they tried doing it in the middle of a thunderstorm

>Rangers plan was to literally just land a C-130 in the airport

>enemy sees through our cunning plan, waits until the planes are over Grenadian airspace and then blocks the runway with trash

>Rangers have to nigger-rig a paradrop using whatever chutes are on hand

>finally get boots on the ground

>enemy attacks with APCs

>entire Ranger battalion has only two or three obsolete recoilless rifles, in a time when even actual paratroopers carried multiple LAWs per platoon

>finally take the airport and clear the runway, allowing the main force to land

>Rangers recon team is sent to the university

>their route is a four mile stretch of road with three forks, they're supposed to go straight at each one

>Rangers somehow still manage to get lost, end up running into an enemy patrol and dying

>second recon team manages to reach the university

>"we're sorry, but your students are on another campus"

>US intelligence didn't even know that there was more than one campus

>main campus is in the town to the south that they've been circling around all day

>SEALs get sent to take a radio station

>OP image happens

>SEALs get sent to rescue a hostage

>get surrounded and pinned down by infantry and APCs

>CAS called in multiple times, completely fails to destroy their armor

>reinforcements take a full day to arrive despite being two fucking miles away through US-controlled territory

>marines try to assault the enemy's main military base

>plan boils down to "throw a bunch of choppers at the enemy and pray that they don't have AAA"

>they have fucktons of AAA

>survivors call for CAS to hit the AA guns, which are now firing at the infantry

>CAS instead bombs a hospital on the other end of town

>Delta and Rangers try to take the prison

>plan boils down to "throw a bunch of choppers at the enemy and pray that they don't have AAA"

>they have fucktons of AAA

>also apparently nobody thought to check topographical maps to confirm that the prison wasn't, say, on a 300 foot hill with nowhere for the Blackhawks to come down

<guess what the terrain around the prison looks like

Day two:

>army patrol runs into a "Cuban" (i.e. Grenadian) patrol, gets their shit pushed in

>bombards the nearby village until the Cuban "garrison", which consists entirely of unarmed engineers, surrenders

>later that day an army platoon with artillery support ambushes and kills a few sentries at a munitions depot

>US spins this as a great victory against the nonexistent Cuban special forces

>Rangers finally reach the main campus

>get their asses kicked by campus security

>remember, these guys are supposed to be an elite special forces unit

>find only half of the students

>"we're sorry, but the rest of your students are on another campus"

>turns out that there's actually three campuses, seriously how fucking hard is it to look at a map before you plan an invasion

>entire Ranger squad gets left behind on the way out

>decides to steal a boat to get back rather than walk two miles to the airport

Day three:

<day begins with marines rolling through the main campus, only to find that the Rangers had also forgotten about twenty of the students they were sent to extract

<marine CAS fucks up again, this time they bomb an army HQ

<intel says that troops are massing at a barracks on the southern coast

<US hammers the barracks with artillery and CAS

<by "the barracks" I mean "everything in the area except the barracks"

<Blackhawks approach the barracks

<one of the Blackhawks doesn't stop

<barracks were deserted this whole time

<turns out that the remnants of the Grenadian army had completely disintegrated on the second day

<the US had gone a full day without even noticing

<most of the "combat" during the last 24 hours was either troops freaking out over abandoned defenses and vehicles, or local criminals giving the occupation force shit


24da66 No.587319

>>587316

>get their asses kicked by campus security

It though it was Grenadian soldiers? And they secured the campus they did win.


d7824b No.587320

>>587260

>get called a commie

>posts commies in response


d7824b No.587321

File: ac760d77bedc8a3⋯.png (10.2 KB, 205x204, 205:204, 1453886877766-2.png)

>>587316

>>OP image happens

>OP didn't have an image

>also no sources for anything


ae66a9 No.587324

>>587321

was referring to >>587155


b0d1cd No.587363

File: 8ad4e8ade50d7a5⋯.webm (134.27 KB, 322x240, 161:120, oh look at that.webm)

>>587257

>Sorry, I only count a military as being a "real military" if it's large enough to actually do jackshit on the world stage.

webm related again


6dcf41 No.587366

>>587199

top kek the yanks are so shit at war


5c9757 No.587367

>>587234

>>587242

>Didn't the Chinese get their cheeks clapped in Korea?

China behavior in Korea is largely an artifact, what was really going on was a purge of the Chinese army and population.

Mao did two birds with one stone, he literally sent away generals and their troops that were civil war veterans either guys with clout in the CPC and weren't on his side or were nationalists that surrendered/switched size and then gave them basically no extra logistical support and telling them they better get results or else…

They literally had no other choice but suicidally march on and hope to win because all that was waiting for them back home was a firing squad if they didn't. You had entire Chinese divisions that starved to death once their own logistics networks ran out of food because there was no shipment from China and it wasn't because of a lack of capacity of big Chinese commands, it was because those guys weren't meant to survive in the first place.

Mao is the greatest butcher in the history of mankind. But he was a very smart butcher.

Instead of having large scale massacres (that given China size would have been in hundreds of millions) once the commies had won to purge society (as in russia/cuba/vietnam, etc…), Mao had the UN forces do most of the job for him.

>>587316

Part of that isn't even true. After action "APC" and "Armor" refers to niggardly rigged technicals with MAYBE an HMG (more likely a guy with a RPD), the only "armor" that was on the island was a grand total of 4 BRDM-2 (some sources says 12, they're lying. The USSR had planned to deliver 12, but only 4 had been delivered at the time of the invasion, and only 3 of those saw combat, 1 at the airport 1 VS a seal team, 1 at some other place that I can't recall) and a BRDM armor isn't exactly protecting much (7.62 NATO AP go through it like butter, 7.62 NATO ball can go through it if you're close enough).

Except, you know, when something that laugh at 5.56mm shows up and someone forgot to packs the AP ammo and LAWs, you need to call in a fucking plane or a USMC tank platoon to save you.


76e837 No.587371

I never understood why the burgers are so proud of winning wars even though they never fight enemies even 0.3/10th of their strength. It's like being proud for winning a street fight against a handicapped 6 year old girl.

80 IQ skinny farmers with slavshit weapons are not a serious enemy. 70 IQ skinny neckbeard goat fuckers with slavshit are not a serious enemy. Thousands of hungry manlets armed with chink knock-offs of slavshit attacking well-fortified positions in the open without any aerial support are not a serious enemy.

Have you ever fought against a competent army ever? Like, all you've been doing is wasting trillions on over-priced weapons and shooting skinny shitskins in the middle of the dessert. And yet you somehow still manage to lose 2K soldiers.

The closest thing to a serious foe you ever fought was the Germans in WWII. And even then you still fucked up. Eternal 24/7 aerial support, well-feed troops armed with objectively the best rifle in the war, infinite supplies, hundreds of thousands of tanks, naval support, artillery support always ready. And yet still loses 400,000 young lads to a bunch of bolt-action armed low morale Germans who need to travel during the night to avoid getting blown up by american aircraft. And let's not even talk about the battle of Monte Cassino which was a complete embarrassment.

Seems to me that the American winning-streak is just the result of massive industrial production and nothing else.


5c9757 No.587377

>>587371

>80 IQ skinny farmers with slavshit weapons are not a serious enemy. 70 IQ skinny neckbeard goat fuckers with slavshit are not a serious enemy. Thousands of hungry manlets armed with chink knock-offs of slavshit attacking well-fortified positions in the open without any aerial support are not a serious enemy.

Let's not forget they still don't win against them… the US lost the Vietnam war, lost the Afghanistan war and lost the Iraqi war.

Yes they successfully managed to invade those places (30 to 1) but could NEVER deal the enemy a crippling blow, even by spending enough money to simply buy every single enemy fighter a mansion in LA with an infinite supplies of drugs and prostitutes and end up just giving up because they literally can't think of and enact a strategy to achieve their goals.

You can have the best soldiers in the world if you have shit strategy you will always lose. It's the "lions led by donkeys" paradigm.

Individual US soldiers are largely competent, the US military isn't.

Their unofficial motto is "if we don't know what we're doing, so does the enemy."

Instead of being treated as an appalling matter that should sent a lot of officers heads rolling, it's treated as a point of pride.


76e837 No.587378

File: 25c7d30df9b71c0⋯.png (50.63 KB, 500x367, 500:367, the absolute state of amer….png)

>>587377

>if we don't know what we're doing, so does the enemy.

It checks out


d1b5b7 No.587392

>>587257

>Sorry, I only count a military as being a "real military" if it's large enough to actually do jackshit on the world stage.

then america isnt real military


f8c67b No.587397

>>587377

>Let's not forget they still don't win against them… the US lost the Vietnam war, lost the Afghanistan war and lost the Iraqi war.

To be fair that's mostly because though they don't have regrets to kill more of their allies through friendly fire than their enemies do they and no remorse over carpet bombing enemy civilians they always get soaked in tears every time some of their ground troops either need some pootang or to defend themselves. Apparently to the American mind killing women and children is only bad when there's visual contact with them.


ae66a9 No.587475

>>587367

They had two BRDM-2s and six BTR-60s, all of which were accounted for afterward. I don't know where you're getting four BRDMs from.


9a616c No.587493

>>587316

Now take this clusterfuck of retardation here and imagine the commanders being switched out with half breed women.

I'm so glad I got out


d1b5b7 No.587495

speaking of blunders of all time, i want pentagon wars 2: the f-35 menace


81c1e0 No.587526

>>587495

I'm just waiting for some Syrian to pick a F35 up on radar and smack the fucking thing with something hilariously outdated.


18d563 No.587611

File: ea4c56bc026a56f⋯.png (192.3 KB, 1543x1733, 1543:1733, us sf grenada.png)

>>587316

capped.


6ded57 No.587686

File: c272cfbef31620c⋯.jpg (38.61 KB, 261x372, 87:124, p38vietnam.jpg)

File: 41327f0e8d2c4bc⋯.jpg (42.76 KB, 351x513, 13:19, mp40vietnama.jpg)

Speaking of Vietnam, I found this nice article about ww2 German weapons in Vietnam.

https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2015/07/10/wwii-german-weapons-during-the-vietnam-war/


c7f08d No.587690

>>587241

Do the Jews fear China?


d1b5b7 No.587705

File: bc3d253e08fbd83⋯.jpg (329.18 KB, 750x1062, 125:177, top shelf kong memes.jpg)

>>587690

i dunno ask on >>>/hkpol/


ca2ecb No.587806

>>587690

Kinda of and kind of not.

>Original jews were foricbly assimilated to the point that israel doesn't recognize them

>Modern day jews control most of the banking like usual

In china the diehard jew supporters are the peasants cause muh welfare. Not the city folk


e54518 No.588016

File: a163285caf1b4b4⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 33.65 KB, 600x600, 1:1, non-grenadian beaner.jpg)

>>587144

Did all Grenadians fought with grenades?

We all bleed red but do Grenadians bleed grenadine?


37027a No.588041

>>587199

attrition is the burgers most powerful tool though, anon


b0d1cd No.588088

>>587526

My money is on one being taken out by a kid with a slingslot or something as retarded as that.




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