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If the AC and air filtration doesn't go to shit I think they'd be fine with a lack of tires.

You would need to get rid of the tires, but yeah they should be fine unless someone starts a fire inside the filtration system.

>>582512

Very educational.

The only thing needed to save those poor souls was proper communication and coordination. They got sent into the worst possible place at the worst possible time.

Also, fire shelters do a damn good job, my father used them a few times in the 70's-80's, but a river is almost always preferred if available. And not putting firefighters in shit positions where they have no escape!

>>582512

The Russians have always been top notch in their wildfire response, their smoke jumpers were using VDV issued chutes from the 70's on wards (IIRC, may have been earlier). While the United States Forest Service was using WW2 surplus into the 90's.

Yes, the Soviets had smoke jumpers using rectangular chutes well before the USA, And as a result kept a lot of qualified specialists doing their specialty (not nearly as many ankle injuries) a lot longer.

You respect Russian wildfire doctrine, it fucking works.

>>582521

>>582512

We started supplying surplus MRAPs to Forrest fire brigades but the liberals and tin foil hatters went REEEEE POLICE STATE!!!!! Because apparently one vehicle is enough to suppress an entire town.

>>582505

>>582506

>what is oxygen

In a massive fucking forest fire the are going to run out of oxygen pretty quickly. No amount of filters will save you if the air turns into a 50/50 mix of Nitrogen and Carbon Dioxide.

>>582521

There is actually an interesing example of firefighting in the zone around Chernobyl.

The trees there have absorbed a lot of radioactive material and keep it bound it in their wood. If a forest fire were to break out the material would be released once more and cause it to spread with the smoke.

This is why the USSR (and later Ukraine) maintained a (for the time) extremely modern fire fighting unit in the area. Nowadays their equipment is in a very bad state of repair, but since there are so few humans in the zone there are barely any fires at all that aren't started by lightning strikes and are thus relatively easy to locate.

>>582535

A wildfire is not a fucking sea of fire. It's just fronts of fire, at worst a couple tens of meters wide.

>>582535

>>582538

what if we added an emergency supply of oxygen, say 10 mintues worth to run the engine, to keep theoreticly running in a worst case scenario? that way in can get out of the front

>>582521

>The Russians have always been top notch in their wildfire response

It's because Russia has actually way worse fires than the US.

A gigantic part of Russia is covered in peatland and when the peatlands are dry in the summer the smallest spark can lit the whole thing (peat is used as combustible even today, it burn better than charcoal, downside is it's heavier), peatland fires are stupidly hard to put down by nature peat is made of decaying plants that have trapped air, you might extinguish the surface but the fire is continuing to smoulder underground, sometimes autumn heavy rains comes, it gives the impression to stops but it continues to burn through an entire winter, to only re-ignite in surface in spring, hundreds of kilometers away from the place you last saw flames…

Note that the job of Russian firefighter is more to manage those fires so they don't set fire to large wooded areas rather than try to prevent them (it's largely a natural phenomena in the first place) or truly extinguish them (because it's not really possible).

Also in the south they have things like crazy big reeds and grass plains that can pretty much flash fire.

When it comes to the natural disasters Russia is always worse than the US because most of the US land is used, one way or another, and therefore was thoroughly processed by mankind.

Russian fire and rescue services can only be an army because they're still engaged in a fight against a savage land.

When you explain to people that in Russia you can have cities with hundreds of thousands people that you CANNOT reach without plane (no roads, no railways, ports 2 month per year) and were nights can last 3 months, people think you're mad.

Russia is the colder and bigger version of Australia.

>>582512

There French anon goes again, educating the masses. There must be something to your frog tongue, you anons always seem pretty bright.

>>582558

I love your post.

>>582558

>it burn better than charcoal

Doubt it due to high water content.

>downside is it's heavier

True due to high water content.

Assuming a non-energy efficient drying of peat that brings it down to charcoal levels of moisture then it has a slight advantage due to the presence of oils and a few hydrocarbs.

>>582538

The problem is that fire takes oxygen not just where there are flames. It's a sea of low oxygen. If we magically got rid of carbon dioxide, most people who die in fires still wouldn't die from burns, they'd die from hypoxia!

>>582544

Would work, as long as you take out the passengers, equipment, weapons, and turned the entire damn thing into a compressed oxygen container. Engines use a lot of oxygen.

>>582599

The temperature causes localized barometric pressure that constantly supply the fire with wind. That's why forestfires are a bitch to put out.

t. forestry student

>>582601

Which means, if I am not mistaken, that the surrounding area will also become low pressure, because of mass (i.e lack of oxygen) instead of high temperature (the fire).

Or would this take such a long time to happen in a significant way that it is far more likely the whole forest will burn first?

>>582601

>causes localized barometric pressure

I think know what you mean, but this most likely isn't the way to put it.

>>582601

Got one for you forestry bro, the Waldo Canyon Fire in Colorado actually burnt faster down hill than up due to the crazy winds the area gets. Caused a host of problems when conventional fire behavior goes out the fucking window.

>>582623

>the surrounding area will also become low pressure, because of mass (i.e lack of oxygen) instead of high temperature (the fire)

Yes and that's exactly what triggers the INFLUX of fresh air TOWARDS the fire.

>>582626

Fluids move from higher pressure towards lower pressure areas, high temperatures reduce the density of air and its consequently constantly replaced by the surrounding mass of cooler air that pushes the hot air (and CO2) upwards.

>>582623

>>582601

Which is how firestorms happen. Sometimes complete with tornadoes.

>>582628

Forest fires are always unpredictable and somewhat chaotic, especially in cases with unique climatic elements like your example, that doesn't mean we ignore observed patterns because of the exceptions. That's why personnel experience is the most important factor in sylvan firefighting.

When Dasiki Hyperesia (Forest Service)'s was absolved by the fucking Socialist government for budget cuts, and its firefighting department was absorbed by the Pyrosvestiko Soma (National Firefighting Depertment) that was up to that point charged with urban and industrial fires only, we ended up with some of the most catastrophic firestorms in the Attica plateau because firefighters with 30 years of experience where complete rookies when it came to real, momma Gaia's, fires instead of the ones self-contained in artificial self-choking concrete boxes.

>>582512

>aluminum would burn

But aluminum doesn't burn.

>>582887

>powdered aluminum

All powdered metals burn; not just aluminum. There's nothing special about aluminum itself that makes it burn. The only non-powdered metals that burn under anything near STP are stuff like lithium and magnesium.

>>582888

Aluminum is special because it's the most plentiful and probably cheap.

>>582892

… which effects its combustion properties how?

>>582896

It catches fire in a manner similar to Magnesium. Never ever try and cast with steel that has a fairly high magnesium content in it, it just catches fire and will fuck your nice concrete floor up. Generally speaking most aluminum you see out there is an alloy and will catch fire.

>>582503

new generation tommy cookers

>>582915

>Forest fires are best dealt with with fire breaks, backburns, and by giant aircraft dumping water/foam over a huge area. Don't go in one.

THIS.