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And this is why not having your own industry is like digging your own grave. The moment you rely on others to provide you with resources or material, you're fucked and dependent on them. They have you by the balls and you can't do anything about it other than slowly start building an industry that your people have no experience in because you always depended on foreigners to make stuff for you.

You cannot be a relevant worldpower without your own exclusive industry or bank.

Western countries reap what they sow. Almost all western countries really need a good beating.

US industry was killed by unions and gubmint regulations, so it's no surprised we would have to go elsewhere for our shit.

I remember during the bush years somebody told me that the Republicans gave tax breaks to move factories to offshore.

People are more upset about an idea of a trade war than they are about an actual war with Russia.

>>582241

>De-industrialization wrecking Western militaries

NEXT ON THE NEWS!

>de-wheatification wrecking Western bakeries

and

>de-ballification wrecking Western masculinity

>>582243

>The moment you rely on others to provide you with resources or material, you're fucked and dependent on them.

This.

Why are barbarians so incapable of grasping common sense? Outsourcing your own shit is only beneficial if you are physically incapable to produce that shit and it's more cost effective to use resources spent on said production line to produce some other shit that you can sell for more than it takes to buy from outsiders the shit you couldn't produce, and last time I checked westerners did not have any shortage of industrial facilities, raw resources or personnel at least compared to the second world where they send their industry to.

>>582246

>(((I))) was made filthy rich by a consumerbase and a socially stable system in a country

>I have absolutely zero economical or moral obligation towards said country so I'll hire cheap labour from bananistan that can't buy my products and where my enterprise would be ran to the ground by nigger mobs, communist niggers and corrupt nigger politicians the moment one would start a business without having previously accumulated enough money and influence from a civilized law abiding country

>Much of the government’s annual $90 billion in spending on information technology is devoted to Chinese products, offering Chinese officials an opportunity to seed U.S. government offices with spyware and electronic back doors that could be exploited for cyberattacks

So long as the code is written in America or open source, the parts are inspected for transmitters like the NSA's Cottonmouth, and the CPUs aren't sourced from China, it should be fine.

The question is whether or not that is the case.

>>582259

>The question is whether or not that is the case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer

>The US has long been a leader in the supercomputer field, first through Cray's almost uninterrupted dominance of the field, and later through a variety of technology companies. Japan made major strides in the field in the 1980s and 90s, but since then China has become increasingly active in the field.

>As of June 2016, the fastest supercomputer on the TOP500 supercomputer list is the Sunway TaihuLight, in China, with a LINPACK benchmark score of 93 PFLOPS, exceeding the previous record holder, Tianhe-2, by around 59 PFLOPS. Sunway TaihuLight's emergence is also notable for its use of indigenous chips and is the first Chinese computer to enter the TOP500 list without using hardware from the United States. As of June 2016, China, for the first time, had more computers (167) on the TOP500 list than the United States (165). However, US built computers held ten of the top 20 positions;[10][11] as of November 2017, the U.S. has four of the top 10 and China has two.

YOUL TAIM IS UP 56% DEVIRS

>>582279

>How long would western economies last without Chinese imports?

They would finally stop being a disgrace to their ancestors and finally build their own industries again. Fuck the chinks. We can make whatever the fuck we want and we got the resources for it. And if some kind of material is hard to find in the only continent that matters aka Europe, then we will just genocide shitskins and niggers and will take over their land and use their resources.

It unironically drives me mad that we haven't done this already.

>>582242

Right now.

Though they simply buy out everything so they won't need to bring in the army.

>>582254

Huge if true.

>>582258

Based free market mechanics at work (^:

Capital knows no borders :^)

>>582287

I think we'd have holiday trips to at least Mars if we wiped out africa with an ethnic-cleansing virus and used those resources on space research.

>>582289

>most important industrial and agricultural resources on the planet are in subsaharan Africa

>it's inhabited by niggers that could barely invent irrigation

Proof that God exists and has a twisted sense of humor.

checkmate atheists!

>>582279

The thing is, nobody is buying chinkshit in the numbers they used to as in the largest shipping company went belly up because of it. They'd starve due to relying on the west for food import, not to mention we'd just revitalize mothballed industry.

Fall of Rome, but instead of outsourcing to foreign mercenaries, outsourcing own industry.

>>582303

Which is even worse. Assuming your people have not reached UK/Sweden levels of emasculation with a draft you can create soldiers within a couple of month, heavy industry is not built overnight, not even with slave labour.

>>582279

We aren't really dependant on China in a fundamental way, it's more of the dependance of a master on a slave.

We can build the same things they can, much better. It's just that minimum wages in the West make it cheaper to have the stuff built in China.

>>582317

US heavy industry was put under heavy strain by even the Yom Kippur War in the 1970s, it ended up not mattering when some fags had a stranglehold on your oil.

>>582329

Empires rely on strength not vassals.

>>582333

Trips of truth. Still you and your leaf-bitches have one of the largest oil reserves on the planet.

>>582246

Or by MBA's looking at spreadsheets and only thinking about their bonus next quarter.

>>582259

Mask level and doping level exploits are very hard to find. Not to mention that auditing amodern CPU is hard.

All the meltdown and spectre vulns are a symptom of that.

>>582319

Living wages in general, life is more expensive in most of the west.

Surviving on a chinese factory workers salary would be very hard.

>>582294

>that could barely invent irrigation

>could barely

Can't.

They rely on gibs or white farmers.

>>582329

Imperialism is simply executing law of your country, outside its borders

You know what scares me? It's the fact that our leaders think that globalization solves everything. History proves that utopias aren't possible, and will either end up like Orwell's distopia where the government rams it's rod of regulations up your ass, or like Brave new world where the censorship is because its not social acceptable cause we forgot what rationale thought was when we became a non written society. Hell how many of us can sit through a speech by abraham lincoln?

Related article:

https://qz.com/1269172/the-epic-mistake-about-manufacturing-thats-cost-americans-millions-of-jobs/

TL;DR: the specific methods used for tracking manufacturing jobs get tripped up by the semiconductor industry, US manufacturing is actually in deep shit and the vast majority of US manufacturing jobs lost were lost to China rather than automation like people have been thinking.

>>582260

Synthetic benchmarks don't matter. TaihuLight was specifically optimized for LINPACK and they've been having problems finding other uses for it besides occupying #1 because its architecture isn't very good for doing things that matter. China's number of slots on the top 500 list is also deceptive because Chinese datacenter companies test their clusters onto the list even though they're not being used for any scientific purpose, while western companies generally refrain from doing that because it's fucking rude to use something like that for self-promotion.

My source for this is a guy that I know, but I'm sure you could find articles supporting this in bits and fragments. I can't wait until the dam breaks and media types stop worrying about Chinese feelings.

>>582376

>rather than automation like people have been thinking.

"Economists"

>>582376

>bean counters and upper class urbanite retards have to do actual research to find out what anyone can find out just by going through walmart and reading the country of origin on products

>>582368

>Can't.

>They rely on gibs or white farmers.

Not entirely accurate. Proto-Congo-Nigger speakers surprisingly reached the iron age not that much later than the rest of humanity I suppose the early-post Ice Age Sahara wasn't so impassable for Northern Africans and that allowed them to develop iron farming tools and weapons that helped them genocide 99% of non Congo-Niger speaking niggers all the way down to the latitude of Namibia and modern South Africa. After that point there were winters that could kill niggers not physically adapted to the cold and seasonal lack of food, sparing Khoisan and other non-congoid hominids from being culturally enriched.

>>582376

I'm sure anti-chinese american propaganda is a legit source of information.

>>582376

I will not object to your claims for being anecdotal, I was just pointing out that despite of their uncreative bug-people mentality they can and HAVE surpassed the West in many aspects in a span of decades. It's silly to conjecture that they are uncreative enough to not be able to code their own spyware.

>>582411

Modern Academics in a nutshell.

>>582457

its more reliable then pro-american american propaganda because it only needs to tell the truth to point america in bad light

>>582364

>Living wages

This is a communist concept. The reason life is more expensive in the west is because of rampant inflation, and because corporations know the exact minimum wage.

If your job were to sell a bonbon to a crowd of people, and the money in their pocket ranged from $1 to $15, how would you price it?

If your job were to sell a bonbon to a crowd of people, an the money in their pocket ranged from $14 to $15, how would you price it?

That is one of the many evils of minimum wage.

>>582376

That's because there are uneducated turds that think automation is bad, and actually voted to regulate it out of existence.

>>582515

Exactly. Colonial powers did not nicely ask the natives for gibs, they went there and took them by force.

>>582515

Fuck off, Lenin.

>>582246

Also cutthroat "captains of industry" faggots that slashed and burned all domestic industry with outsourcing to 3rd world shit holes, so they could make an immediate golden parachute escape with all the money.

If we had the balls we would tell China to eat shit and die, flat out end trade killing our addiction to cheap shit.

Buckle down getting back into the buy war bonds ration for the troops type of mentality, but I doubt the Starbucks generation has it in them.

China would fold overnight.

Rebuild domestic industry, close up and go hermit mode.

The sooner the better because we're in a game of chicken not mutually assured destruction, whoever is ready to make the move first wins.

Which will probably be China as they don't have subversives whispering inaction in their ears like we do here.

Before anyone wastes time shove "we're a service industry" up your ass, would take just as little time to undo that moniker as it has taken to establish it.

>>582542

You're forgetting that money don't real, so before you do all that, you'd need to excise certain (((tumors))) famous for inflation and fraud.

>>582545

Second.

>>582542

China is funding a shitload of US spending by buying treasury bonds though, if they stop the whole world goes to shit.

>>582241

>there is now no source for Dechlorane in the world

There is a fucking good reason for that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechlorane_plus

>Modeling data indicates that Dechlorane Plus may be persistent, bioaccumulative, and subject to long-range transport and that it may be candidates for Annex D evaluation under the United Nations Stockholm Convention on Persistent Organic Pollutants.

>Dechlorane plus was added to the list of REACH Substances of Very High Concern on January 15, 2018.

I suspect the only consumer of this was the US military since everyone else isn't completely retarded and moved onto less toxic alternatives.

Other than resources, why can't china run a self sustaining ecnomy with the population size it has?

>>582576

Not enough food for one, and they honestly can't do shit without foreign advisors. They've been like that their entire history.

>>582576

They're bug people.

>>582576

Cause muh history is bad and the communist party doesnt want to repeat the mistakes or good things imeperial china did.

Like executing liberal fagots to the 9th generation

>>582577

If you were to be slightly better versed in history than a fucking american you'd understand. The reasons are not so simple. A traditional Chinese dynasty lasts ~200 years. In addition, it can usually be split by earlier and latter halves by the resurgance of an extremely strong centralized ruler. Prior to Xi's ascention, the issue was that (relatively speaking) was devoluted to the states by Hu jintao because… Well nobody would listen to him. Xi's attempt to recentralize power (and 'fight' corruption) has resulted in a serious split between Urban large towns and rural areas (think NYV libbies vs the rest of the US). In an attempt to keep both side from being fucktards and murdering each other, Xi has to continously try to improve living standards. In this, he has outsourced meat from other countries to boost agricultrual production in other areas. In addition, The current split is exsberated by the fact that the city Chinese are trying to adopt a western styiled set of ideals, which runs against the communist party line. I don't think as the west we need to actually fight the Chinese. Give it 50-75 years and watch it crumble as Xi's death reveals a massive power vacumn and a host of issues that have only been delayed.

>t. The americhink

>>582241

>ZOG policies negatively impact ZOG army capabilites

I want more of it

>>582689

What do angiosperm-like gymnosperms gotta do with it? Or is that just a random picture from your literal leaf fapfolder?

>>582689

Do you even read history leaf? Dear gods. IF you truely think the Chinese were so backwards then explain to me how they have

1) Chromium plating from swords in the Qin dynasty 2)Compass 3)Fireworks (and firearms)4) Paper (And paper money)

These are but a few. Also considering that its the only main empire of the original major classical ones to survive to today (Out of Rome, Persia, Ethiopia and Egypt),that does say something. Does the EU count as Roman empire reincarnate? By your logic Britian, France, Germany, Jugoslavia, Bulguria, Lybia, Tunisia, Algeria, Morroco, Spain, etc are all backwards like usual until someone (The Romans) steps in and tells them what to do. Technology is a never ending race, slacken up and you're gonna get your ass whooped.

>>582693

Grab the rakes and pitchforks. I can't find mine because I don't have leafs to get rid of

Leafland is the 35th Chinese province or the 51st US state depending on your viewpoint so I'm quite surprised by your lack of intelligence but not by your lack of historical awareness.

SAGE FOR OFFTOPIC

>>582749

>invent the compass

>use it for telling fortunes

>invent gunpowder

>use it for scaring ghosts

>get conquered by a small island of child-molesting goblins from the other side of the world because they put them to less retarded uses

China ended in 1966, it survives today only in Taiwan and museums in London.

>>582768

>China ended in 1966, it survives today only in Taiwan and museums in London.

Unfortunately the mainland that is recognized now is China. You will have to deal business with it if you like it or not.

Implying I didn't say in an earlier thread the current 'china' wont implode in the next fifty years

The thing I love about the US is that you have the power to fuck up the government if they try to bend you over.

>>582763

> mountain ranges blocking off nearly every foreign invader

You have to remember ancient china didn't extend that far west or north at the time. Also the tibetans were lit fucks who'd regularly beat the Han army cause higher lung and heart capacity

>>582758

I never said they used them correctly Also how is the land down under? Last I check all the chinks were buying your properties in the cities??

>>582749

>Chromium plating from swords

Are you sure it's not just a chrome impurity? A lot of early ores weren't purified into discrete metals, especially considering people didn't know discrete metals existed. The process was ore > melt > hammer the mass into something useful. As such tool and sword steel was often actually an alloys of dozens of materials depending on where the ore was dug.

Plating requires a knowledge of electricity, non-galvanic plating was invented recently.

>2)Compass

They didn't actually have a compass. What they had was a magnetized spoon which they spun to tell fortunes.

There is no record that they ever used magnetism to geolocate.

>3)Fireworks (and firearms)

Again, used mostly for dispelling of spirits until white people came along to turn it into real weapons.

>Paper (And paper money)

Chinese did not invent paper money.

Egypt invented paper, the word literally comes from the papyrus reed they used to make paper with. Anyway this isn't an important or interesting invention, it didn't become useful until the invention of animal based glues, parchment is superior and knot writing is more interesting.

>These are but a few

Well if the best you have to offer is this garbage, I want to see the "others"…. for comedic purposes.

>its the only main empire of the original major classical ones to survive to today

Fucking what?!

>>582564

Or the US could stop wasting money on niggers who don't work and spics that aren't even fucking citizens. Then we wouldn't need the chinks dirty money.

>>583092

>Inflation

They went back to using it. Originally AFAIK the paper money was invented cause muh mongols invaded and took all the resource rich areas and dislocated the Song.

>Charoit thingy

Not too familair with this, I think I get the idea? Will check the documents related to this if I can find them.

>>583110

We at least have the possibility of fighting back. Go see 6/4 and look what happened to those who tried to rally against the Chinese gov.

>>583092

The only way that thing would be useable as a practical navigational tool is if you were to assume that both wheels are equal in diameter within a thousandth of a percent and you're traveling over a featureless plain with 100% wheel contact and zero slippage. Else cumulative error sets in within a few miles.

>>582627

High taxes, legal mess and thousands of politicians and judges that weren't hanged for treason yet cripples Polish entrepreneurial capacity in favor of German giants like kaufland, lidl or aldi pushing third-rate goods at inflated prices to a worrying degree.

:^(

>>582576

Because marxist fucktards completely and irreparably ruined their agricultural capacity. If a foreign power actively tried to ruin China's agriculture for the next few millions years the only way they could have done worse would be with atom bombs and long-fallout dirty bombs.

>>583110

You used to run your military and government on 1.3% income tax and were a thousand times safer.

>>582294

you ever think that's why africa is so hugely resource rich? because there has always been subhuman animal niggers running around fucking shit up whereas everyone else has been trying to build society and tech up but floods/asteroids whatever set them back but they just keep trying while africa stagnates?

>>583133

>Polish entrepreneurial capacity

lol

>>585023

>floods Poland with garbage from lidl, aldi and kauflands while abusing tax loopholes that meet EU's quota of democracticness

>tries again at making Mitteleuropa reality

<hurr durr poaln can't do anything

Visit Poland, kraut, you car is already here (^:

>Legalising capitalism for a year didn't do anything, and the bill wasn't ammended over 50 times in a single year because communists democratic people's government almost destroyed itself, by not taxing individuals and allowing everything not illegal