/k/ - Weapons

>>579493

Not really.

30-30 is too weak for hunting, yet the ammo is expensive.

UnIess you have money to burn, you're better off getting a bolt action .308

>>579508

>t. fudd

30-30 is just fine as an overall hunting round. Not the best, depending on your range I'd argue that 7.62x39 would be better due to its performance at longer distances, but perfectly acceptable. Marlin is unfortunately a part of Freedom Group, so QC on most of their newer stuff is shit. I've heard from a few people that the Marlin division specifically has gotten back on track in the last year or so, but I haven't seen that corroborated, so take it with a grain of salt.

>>579516

>t. Fudd

30-30 is the ultimate fudd gun, retard

>>579510

>it killed this bear

It kills, but not very authoritatively. It is woefully obsolete and overpriced.

30-30 is still relevant because fudd inherited the gun from their fudd dad or because they got it cheap at a pen shop and now think the gun they got for nothing can kill anything. In reality they're just cheap ass fudd retards.

Winchester 9410 vs Marlin 410 vs new Henry 410, which reigns supreme for hunting smallgame? I read that the actions of the Winchester were louder and had more moving parts than the Marlin, but haven't read any comparisons of the former 2 against the new Henry

>>579531

>"It kills, but not very authoritatively"

Explain

>obsolete

Elaborate

>overpriced

It seems to be less than a dollar a round, which isn't crazy unless you're used to shooting el cheapo intermediate calibers

>fudd gun

>throwing around a buzzword like it has any weight

I'm not trying to defend or shit on 30-30 because I'm asking if its good, but you sound like a fudd yourself with your platitudes. If 30-30 really is shit give something substantial to prove it

>>579531

>authoritatively

That's some fudd-tier theory on ballistics, Anon. Should probably look up some charts or something - .30-30 has, on average, more velocity than 7.62x39, even the old shit from way back. Modern projectiles penetrate and expand very well, too.

>woefully obsolete and overpriced

We're talking about a round primarily used for hunting over the past ~100 years, Anon. The only way for a round not to be overpriced is to have a backing of near-identical military chamberings(7.62 NATO/5.56 to .308 WIN/.223 Remington).

Stop being a faggot.

>>579540

>I bet your some kind of nigger who shoots animals in the gut.

but if ah cant gut, skin, clean, and cook muh durr with a bullit like with muh 300 REMCHESTERBY MAGNUM it aint authoritive enuff

>>579508

I've brought down six point bucks with 5.56, and this wasn't difficult either (in fact it was a bit easier). There is nothing weak about .30-30, or any other rifle cartridge for that matter. For fucks sake it's designed specifically for bullying through branches and leaves without deviating, people use it for hunting moose. You can argue cost if you want, but not power or effect.

>>579551

I personally wouldn't recommend .30-30 for Moose or Elk unless you get real close to them given how many folk can't accurately range for shit.

>>579508

.30-30 is great for hunting, but you are right about the price. Factory ammo is similar ballistically to 7.62x39 but handloaded ammo is superior, so if you own one it is best to get into reloading which would drop the price down significantly. OP wasn't asking about the round either, he was asking about the gun itself. Since the gun company in question is cerburus owned i'd say he should either get someone to inspect it before he buys or spend double the price on a henry which will function out of the box.

>30-30 is too weak for hunting

It's rated to take deer and black bear, shitheal. It's also regularly used to take moose, caribou, and pronghorn.

>yet the ammo is expensive.

.308 hunting loads are in the same price bracket, moron.

>UnIess you have money to burn, you're better off getting a bolt action .308

Of course a Fudd would advise a bolt gun in a fucking lever gun thread…because the Fudd doesn't know the BLR or Model 88 exist.

>>579553

It's not recommended, but people still do it all the time.

>>579535

>Explain

watch the awesome level of fudd in vid-related

>elaborate

we have more powerful rounds pushing the same .308 bullet at higher energies for half the cost per round

>less than a dollar a round

nope, it averages at about 1.25 per round

>platitudes

just pulling that word out of your ass doesn't save you

30-30 lever action Marlin is *the* fudd gun. Not knowing this is the first rule of being a newfag.

>>579539

>hue hue dude it is like an AK dude, I'm totally not a fudd for randomly pulling the epic AK meme out my ass

who gives a fuck? If you're hunting with an AK, you're a moron. It's a flimsy ass slavshit weapon intended for fully automatic sub-machine gun duty.

>"primarily used for hunting for 100000000 years"

and we have better rounds now for less money, so if you don't have money to burn andignore the objectively better rounds and the economics of the situation, you're a moron.

>le epic "modern bullet technology" meme

go get raped by a pack of niggers

>>579551

>people use it for moose

and people are morons

I really do hope you idiots use 30-30 for moose so that after you put a painful little hole in the Moose, it runs over and mauls your stupid ass to death.

The guy in this video had to track the Moose for so long that he just turned off the camera and turned it on again after he finally found the animal.

Get a bigger gun, pussies

>>579550

>hue hue hue 300 win mag is fudd lol

I am amazed at how newfagged and underaged this place has gotten. The marines just adopt the 300 win mag but here there's morons very seriously claiming that the 30-30 is in fact the real gun while the military rounds are fudd.

Great job, retard. Brilliant.

>>579562

>"people do it all the time"

>be british

lol you should probably just shut the fuck up when talking about guns or hunting, I hope you're a proxy.

>>579558

>.308 is the same price

nah, stupidass, they're much cheaper, unless you're an idiot that just shops at Walmart. Wouldn't that make you a fudd though? But I thought 30-30 wasn't the fudd round? lol stupidass.

>>579575

TL;DR

>>579516

<the guy that hunts deer with a .338 win mag says don't underestimate the 30-30

>doesn't understand the fudd meme

idiot

>>579521

I've got one of the micro-groove barreled 336's from the 1950's and that thing is a shooter. 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards all day. Once Marlin was taken over by Remington though a lot of that quality went away. If you specifically want a Marlin 336 I would save up and just get an older one over buying a new one.

>>579600

>le epic "I'm butthurt but I'm going to say he's butthurt so other people don't know that I'm butthurt"

epic meme

>I've killed moose and elk with an AK and my fudd gun and my 9mm

suuuuure, dumbass

>>579606

my nigger

>>579609

>hue hue hue hue hue hue hue hue cheytac

>epic butthurt meme

>uses a gun that barely kills whitetail to kill moose, flip a coil that you won't get mauled to death, and then track the animal 200 yards

you are really really smart

Cowboys were Mexicans, and therefore homosexual.

>>579610

>anyone I don't like is brazilian

>anything i don't like is a meme

Ebin, great ignoring my post entirely

>uses a gun that barely kills whitetail to kill moose, flip a coil that you won't get mauled to death, and then track the animal 200 yards

Fuck's sake retard, do I really have to spell this out for you?

"It is not recommended to use .30-30 to hunt moose"

Okay, you get that bit, yeah? Let that sink in for a little while, think it through.

"but people still do it all the time"

Right, I know this may be a bit difficult, putting A and B together, but just hold on a second. Maybe, just maybe, people doing something doesn't instantly make it a 100% great idea that everyone should do. Just stating that people do it isn't inherent support for doing it, you understand? You following along with the story champ? Good.

People have also taken deer with .25 ACP, now think that statement through a second lad. That doesn't mean I'm saying everyone should go out and get a .25 ACP pocket pistol to hunt deer with, does it? No. What is means is that people have also taken deer with .25 ACP. You understand? Or are you going to REEEEEEEEEEE and start calling me a fudd who supports the idea of hunting deer with .25 ACP?

Please go back to 4Cuck or where ever you've came from

>>579617

Level 1 blackpowder loads (old trapdoor guns) of 45-70 were enough to flatten buffalo when it was the hip new thing.

Level 2 handloads of 45-70 will turn most stuff inside out in old 1886s.

Level 3, marlin territory, will knock down anything not the big african five.

Level 4, new 1886 territory, will absolutely fuck up an elephant through it's frontal skull.

New winchester 1886s come in 45-90, start saving pennies and masturbating furiously anon

>>579617

Here's a good article on 45-70.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/4570_leverguns.htm

>>579625

>brazilian

what?

>people still do it all the time

yeah, fudds

the vid I posted showed a guy shooting a moose point-blank with a 30-30 directly in the chest, great shot, and the animal just takes a long stride and trots away.

30-30 marlin is THE fudd gun. Only thing that comes close in fudd is a cheap ass .270, which has way more power btw and is a real hunting round. 30-30 is weak lol everyone knows it. Paul Harrell knows it, he hunts whitetail with a .338 win mag.

Get a fucking magnum.

>>579635

>inb4 HUE HUE HUE MAGNUMS ARE FUDD

fudds are actually afraid of magnums. They think the 300 win mag is some kind of magical scary thing that will cause your shoulder to fall off if you shoot it. They are very much part of the "it's too powerful" mindset, just like their "you don't need an AR" mindset. THAT is fudd, and that is why they love the 30-30.

>>579630

Considering 45-90 launches 400gr rnfp at 2100fps it should be quite easy to fill buckets with your nut butter.

Holy fuck I want one now

>>579629

>>579628

Now the question is can I fuck a level IV plate up with it. I got enough for one of those already and then some.

>>579650

If you load it with copper slugs it will be more of a question of what WON'T it fuck up. Paco kelly already uses this kind of combo to blow through dumbo with 45 70. Buy it you fucking cocktease, I need pixs for whacking material

>>579636

>fudds are actually afraid of magnums

They aren't. That's the reason you're saying .30-30 is too weak, fudd.

>>579575

It's only cheaper if, like a moron, you're comparing bulk standard .308 FMJ against .30-30 SP hunting loads. You can get Prvi or Winchester .30-30 170gr. SP for $15/box on luckygunner and sgammo, same price as .308 SP in the same grain, load, and brand.

>>579602

>save up and just get an older one over buying a new one.

I won mine at a raffle. Cost me $10 for a ticket.

>>11

>>579723

That's the way to do it

>>579667

>30-30 isn't a fudd round

>newly adopted military round is a fudd round

30-30 is too weak because objectively speaking, it is too weak.

Stay mad retard

>>579678

>"It's only cheaper if, like a moron, you're comparing bulk standard .308 FMJ against .30-30 SP hunting loads"

don't look now, stupidass, wolf and PPU have been making SP loads for a long time

>pays the same amount of money for less cartridge

you just don't understand how money works, moron.

>>579757

It's a fudd round adopted by the military, buttfucker.

>>579759

>NUH UHHH IT'S REALLY A FUDD ROUND but it was just adopted because the military is fudd too!!

>30-30 marlin is totally not fudd!!!

>>>/4chan/

>>579678

but what's hilarious is that fmj .308 wolf is still more powerful downrange than 30-30 lmao

>>579760

>but it was just adopted because the military is fudd too

well yeah

>>579654

I probably will if I can find one with a 24" barrel when I get back from japan later innayear.

>>579766

>"you're such a fucking mouthbreather that you think you need .338 Win Mag to take down a 100 lb deer"

wrong again, stupidass

1) I claimed .308 bolt action is an objectively better value, which it is

2) your boy paul harrell is hunting deer with a .338 win mag

try reading next time, you stupid piece of shit

>no basis or substance

go plug in your rounds in a ballistic calculator yourself, you stupid piece of shit.

>>579779

I'd take a 30-30 lever gun for a brush hunt over a .308 bolt any day of the week.

Not trying to shit on you but different things have different purposes.

>>579785

>its a brush gun because it has a lever

>it shoots the same exact bullet, but much slower and softer, so its brushed

Excellent fudd logic

>>579784

<moose just walks away

<fudd goes after it

<animal is nowhere in sight

<turns the camera off because he knows it's going to be a long one

<video literally has "git r dun" in the title

You're a stupidass fudd

>>579785

>in b4 "it will bounce off a twig less if it's going slower" fudd ballistics argument

>>579852

>>579854

So you're saying 30-30 win and .308 are the same? And that shots can't be screwed up by foliage? And that all brush guns are lever action?

Goddamn you are retarded.

>>579758

>don't look now, stupidass, wolf and PPU have been making SP loads for a long time

Are you purposefully being a retard, or is it a family trait?

>you just don't understand how money works, moron.

Says the guy advocating bolt guns in a lever gun thread, because he doesn't know .308 lever guns exist.

>>579761

I mean yeah, it's hilarious if you're seventh generation inbred-level of retarded.

>rimmed-case, small-bore, entry-level hunting cartridge developed in 1895

>case-less, short-action, large game hunting cartridge developed in 1952

>I can't believe the older, rimmed cartridge developed at the dawn of smokeless power era designed for use in a lever gun has worse ballistics than a modern short-action cartridge design based off .300 Savage that was developed to provide similar ballistic performance to that of .30-06 to outclass to then popular flat-nose .30 caliber cartridges like .30-30 and .30Rem

>>579906

>I want to restore the stock at some point.

Why, what's wrong with it? From the photograph it looks like it could be cleaned up with just some tung or linseed oil, a soft cloth, and elbow grease.g

>>579864

>muh brush hue hue hue U SED WOT??

You said the 30-30 was more effective in the brush because……well because it's a 30-30

I just pointed out that you didn't give a reason at all and are a stupidass

>the same

no, .308 is dramatically more powerful while having mild recoil and lower cost, and therefore is better

>muh leafs gettin in the way

you obviously never shot through "brush." Protip: it doesn't fucking do anything. You have to be hitting actual tree limbs to fuck your shot up, and it will fuck up the 30-30 as much as the .308 and vice versa. Just because the .308 is going faster doesn't mean it is going to magically "bounce" off a leaf more, you moronic piece of shit.

>in b4 OMG YEH IT WILL BC SUMONE SED THAT BEFORE!!

>>579903

>30-30 bullets have flat-tips and therefore fly through leaves better

confirmed fudd idiot

>>579870

>says the guy advocating bolt guns in a lever gun thread

OP asked if a 30-30 marlin was worth it. I said it wasn't and that he was better off buying a bolt-gun. Sorry that's too much for your fudd brain to process.

>>579870

>.308 lever guns exist

Only one I know of is Henry, and it costs about $900. Grossly overpriced for what it is.

>UHHH DUDE THE .308 IS OBVIOUSLY MORE POWERFUL

then why were you implying that SP 30-30 is more effective than Wolf fmj when you know it's not?

Answer: because you're a butthurt moron and didn't know what else to say, so you said "muh Wolf" because obviously that wins the argument

lol stupid piece of shit.

>>579853

Go home you're drunk. It probably just fucking wandered off innabush right next to them and died like this thing wandered maybe 15 yards. 24:10 or sometime after. Besides that I'm a weeb who larps around innabush as an SS Oberscharführer, tell me when you find a fudd who does those things. Dummkopf.

>>579906

Man, that ain't no piece of junk. That is just a lever gun with some good wear to it, it means its being used for what it was meant for If I showed you my marlin you'd probably think your gun is near factory new. Honestly if you want to make it look nicer just a bluing would do the trick.

>>579970

Want pics of my 94? Dad got it in a trade for some work from the original owner's wife. The man had carried it when he was a cattle rancher in the 50s-60s and was his coyote gun. Still in great shape and a good shooter.

>>579946

>Only one I know of is Henry, and it costs about $900. Grossly overpriced for what it is.

The Model 88 and BLR have both been around forever, try picking up a book once in a while, instead of deep-throating the barrel of your 770. That you haven't given the thread a single recommendation for a bolt gun and keep repeating the same incorrect memes about .308 means you are indeed not a Fudd, but something far worse, a noguns faggot who's shitting up the thread.

>>580190

>omg guiz it's tha shills they're gonna kill gamergate and the home of free speech 8chan

dumbass

get a Sako or the Winchester Supergrade in 300 win mag, those are real guns. The Savage model 114 is also a very nice gun.

Yeah, they're more than $400, but you get cheap when you pay cheap.

>muh BLR

thanks captain obvious, you stupid piece of shit.

>>579970

>epic drunk meme

<"guiz it probably just walked a few steps"

stupidass

>>580195

>Blows cock gaped face hole the entire thread about "value"

>recommends rifles north of a grand

>in a caliber that's $2 per cartridge

Damn you are one dumb son of a bitch. Why don't you take your noguns having aids riddled, cum guzzling ass to a LGS and actually buy a fucking gun and not some fucking Fudd bang stick.

>thanks captain obvious, you stupid piece of shit.

Hey, you're the dumb fucker who couldn't recall something as "obvious" as the BLR.

>>580251

>hue hue hue hue hue I'm a stupidass, hue hue hue hue

>caliber that's $2 a round

no, stupidass, 300 win mag is below $1 with PPU and is right at a dollar with the SP Federal, Winchester and Corelokt loads, and therefore is still cheaper than 30-30 fudd

>hue hue hue hue muh value

value is a good way of wasting your money, but if you must then just go with a .308 axis, waaaaay better gun than that piece of shit 30-30 marlin

>UHH NO GUNZ HUE HUE

you know that the 30-30 is fudd, but you're still mad, so you pull this no gunz shit out of your ass to make you feel like you've won the internet argument, stupid piece of shit.

>DOOD BLR DOOOOOOOD

lever guns are gay, so yeah, I can't recall the most boring of them, but if I had to buy one it would be the Henry

just go fuck off already with your cheap ass

>>580261

>Ass blasted noguns faggot is assblasted because he's been called out.

Keep trying to distract from the fact you don't own a single gun

>>580348

What you're saying doesn't make sense and isn't even relevant anymore, are you high, anon?

>>580369

>britbong tries to be a man

I'm embarrassed for you

>>580407

>pointing out that you're just typing gibberish now that's not related to the threat or even the posts you're replying to is "tying to be a man"

No retard, it's pointing out that you're just typing gibberish now that's not related to the threat or even the posts you're replying to.

>>580436

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